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Parts – Attachments – Accessories Tractors With 42 inch Decks | Tractors With 48 inch Decks
Less than 42 inches
Review: 29000 Review Buy: 30 inch Craftsman Model 29000 – 6 speed – 420 cc – Normal Sale Price: $1050.99 Rider
41-48 inch Husqvarna Rider – Heavy Duty Hydrostatic – 22 HP – Normal Sale Price: $3899.99 Works Great For Hills!
42 inch
Lawn Tractor – Light Duty
My Review 42 inch Craftsman T1000 Model 20370 – 7 speed – 420 cc – Normal Sale Price: $1000.99 Best $1000 tractor! But not the best tractor….
My Review 42 inch Craftsman Model 20373 – Automatic – 17.5 HP – Normal Sale Price: $1299.99 Worth the extra $200 over the 20370
My Review 42 inch John Deere Model D105 – CVT/Automatic – 17.5 HP – Normal Sale Price: $1499.99 Cheapest Deere! Now with CVT Trans
My Review 42 inch John Deere Model D110 – Hydrostatic – 19 HP – Normal Sale Price: $1699.99 Buy the D125 Instead
My Review Poulan Pro PB185A42 B & S Intek 42 inch 18.5 HP $1299 Best Cheap 42 inch Lawn Tractor
Ariens A19A42 42 in. 19 HP B&S Automatic $1199 Best Cheap Lawn Tractor at Home Depot
Yard Tractor – Medium Duty
Craftsman 42 in. Turn Tight® Automatic Riding Mower – Normal Sale Price: $1499.99 Best Value 42 inch Single Cylinder Yard Tractor!
My Review 42 inch John Deere Model D125 – Hydrostatic – 20 HP – Normal Sale Price: $1799.99 Best Value John Deere!
My Review 42 inch Craftsman Model 20390 – Automatic Fast Tractor! – 22 HP – Turn Tight® – Normal Sale Price: $1699.99 Best Value 42 in V-Twin Yard Tractor!
My Review Toro SW4200 42 in 24.5 HP $2899 Combination Lawn Tractor and Zero Turn!
Yard Tractor – Heavy Duty
My Review Toro SWX4250 42 in 24.5 HP $4299 Combination Lawn Tractor and Zero Turn!
46-48 inch
Lawn Tractor – Light Duty
My Review 46 inch Craftsman Model 20374 – Automatic – 19 HP Normal Sale Price: $1359.99 It is just a good, basic lawn tractor.
My Review Poulan Pro PB20A46 B & S Intek 42 inch 20 HP $1599 Best Cheap Light Duty 42 inch Lawn Tractor
Ariens A20KA46 46 in. 20 HP KOHLER Automatic 960460064 $1499 Best deal on a 46 inch at Home Depot
Yard Tractor – Medium Duty
My Review 48 inch John Deere Model D140 – Hydrostatic – 22 HP – Normal Sale Price: $1999.99 If you don’t want a Craftsman, this is the best choice!
Ariens A22VA46
Yard Tractor – Heavy Duty
My Review 48 inch Craftsman Model 20391 – Automatic Fast Tractor! – 22 HP – Turn Tight® – Normal Sale Price: $1999.99 Best Value Fast Tractor!
My Review 48 inch John Deere Model D160 – Hydrostatic – 25 HP – Normal Sale Price: $2599.99 Compares to the Craftsman G5100 Model 20401 and Husqvarna LGT26K54
My Review Poulan Pro PB22VA48 48 inch 22 HP B & S Pro $1799 Best Cheap 48 in inch Lawn Tractor. This Husqvarna built tractor is one of the best deals around.
My Reviews Raven MPV 7100 46 inch Hybrid Gas/Electric $3999 Lawn Tractor Mower – Generator – Multipurpose Vehicle. I can’t break this one!
My Review 48 inch Craftsman Model 20401 – G5100 Hydrostatic Garden Tractor! – 24 HP – Turn Tight® – Normal Sale Price: $2599.99 A Garden Tractor it’s not.
41-48 inch Husqvarna Articulated Rider – Hydrostatic Four Wheel Drive – 22 HP – Normal Sale Price: $5199.99 Great Lawn Tractor For Hills!
50 – 54 inch
Yard Tractor – Medium Duty
My Review 54 inch Craftsman Model 20393 – Automatic Fast Tractor! – 22 HP – Turn Tight® – Normal Sale Price: $2299.99 Fast Tractor! Still won’t mow over 3 inches or so.
My Review Toro SW5000 50 in 24.5 HP $3199 Combination Lawn Tractor and Zero Turn!
My Review Poulan Pro PB24VA54 54 inch 24 HP Kohler $1999 Basically the Craftsman 20393 above but with a Kohler and WITHOUT the Turn Tight Steering!
My Review Poulan Pro PBLGT2654 54 inch 26 HP Kohler $2399 An excellent alternative to the D170 Deere. It’s a lawn tractor that rides well!
My Review 54 inch John Deere Model D170 – 25 HP – Normal Sale Price: $2799.99 Great Price on a John Deere!
Garden Tractor – Heavy Duty
My Review 54 inch Craftsman Model 20403 – Hydrostatic Garden Tractor! – 24 HP- 8 MPH! – Turn Tight® – Normal Sale Price: $3099.99 Best Value Garden Tractor!
My Review Poulan Pro PBGT2654 54 inch 26 HP Kohler 7000 $2899 Basically a GT6000 without the Turn Tight Steering. If you are prone to breaking things – this tractor may be your cure!
gordon
whats your opinion of the Snapper RE100 RER? is the RE110 worth the $200 additional? I have 1/2 acre lot with minimum obstacles. located just a few miles from factory
Paul Sikkema
Hi Gordon, The biggest difference is the engine. It is worth the extra $200 for the better engine.
Cody
Hey Paul!
First I want to say thank you for all this great information. I have been doing a lot of research and your reviews have been very helpful. I am still having some difficulty deciding on what tractor would be best for me. I have an acre of fairly flat lawn, with about a dozen trees and a few outbuildings to mow around. I’d like to stay under $1,600. What mower(s) would you suggest? Durability, reliability, and a brand that stands behind their equipment is more important to me than HP and deck width.
I live in Iowa so am also thinking about buying a snow blower attachment for my 140′ driveway and hauling some firewood in a cart. I figured buying a snow blower attachment, wheel weights and tire chains would be at least another $1,400. I’ve read other reviews that state adding a snow blower attachment to most lawn tractors is a bad idea. Many of the bad reviews said they had trouble with traction even after adding the weights and chains. They also mentioned the “abuse” the tractor receives from carrying and using the snow blower attachment will greatly reduce the mower’s lifespan. Here’s my question, is there a mower around my price range that can handle a snow blower attachment or am I better off saving my mower and spending the money on other snow removal equipment? What mower(s) would you suggest if I want to attach a snow blower?
Thanks in advance!
Paul Sikkema
HI Cody, in that price range I would suggest the Craftsman 20391. It has the wider tires for traction. The basic frame has been used by thousands for over 15 years with a snow blower and it hold up well. The tranny is the strongest in that price range and will handle all the extra weight you want to put on the rear end. Even if you decide to go with a walk behind (check out movingsnow.com) it’s a good strong mower that will last years.
Here if the review: 20391 review
Jessica
We are in need of a lawn tractor to mow 2.5 acres with lots of flower beds, big hills, and trees. I like the Poulan, PB18VA46, but it seems to be sold out every where I look. We were considering the Troy Bilt Super Bronco 50in but I’m concerned about it being too large of a deck. We’ve looked at the Craftsman Pro Series and like it but read several concerns about it not having enough traction for slopes. We’re feeling overwhelmed and confused as to what we should get. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Waxahachie Tx
Ps love all the details in your reviews!
Paul Sikkema
@Jessica, The Craftsman Pro will have the same traction as the Super Bronco. The only owners who have issues are those who are trying to use the tractor outside the guidelines listed in the owners manual. i.e., over 15 degree slopes.
It will have about the same traction as the Poulan but with the Poulan’s more flexible frame it will go through dips a “little” better.
The PB18VA46 is available here with free shipping to your home: Poulan Pro PB18VA46 Automatic Transmission Lawn Tractor, 46-Inch
Peter
I am not sure you received this comment so I am resending it thru my other email address.
You have the absolute best site for information I have ever seen about any subject. I have been reading for 2 days 12 hours each day and haven’t covered it all. I am engulfed in info glut and need your assistance.
The land is 1 acre in the Canyon Lake Texas hill country needing cutting in a 3.7 acre lot that has some slope of 15 degree max and seems to grow rocks occasionally which I walk around and search for before cutting. It is not lawn but rather naturally growing grasses and weeds. There are many oak trees. I usually set the deck at 4″ high to miss small rocks and proceed cutting. I use a very old second hand Murray with about a 48″ deck and manual shift tranny. It has 23″ diameter rear tires. The steering is awful. It requires a lot physical effort with much back and forth and shifting gears around the trees.
My max budget is $3000. I really like the idea of a turn tight 6″ radius to cut around trees etc. I would like to be able to tow a cart like the Ox Cart you talk about and to use the Johnny Bucket or a blade in the front.
I am concerned about the transmission and am guessing the K46 is out. Because of my budget that seems to leave the K58 or a CVT.
If I use a blade or Johnny Bucket on the front I assume a strong front axle assembly is a prerequisite.
Based on the foregoing factors I am considering the Craftsman Pro 20443 with the 50″ deck.
Will that (I assume K58) tranny last for years? Is there a garden tractor within my budget that you feel would have a better transmission or be more appropriate for my needs?
Words cannot express my appreciation for your website and the effort you have put into it.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Peter, Sorry, it been a very busy week. Todaysmower and Movingsnow hit a major milestone of 10,000,000 readers!
I’m sure JohnnyBucket is working on getting the brackets made for the Craftsman Pro/Cub Cadet XT2 tractors.
Yes, the Craftsman Pro 20443 sounds like a great choice for you. The tranny will hold up and you will be amazed at how well and easily this tractor steers.
Watch your rocks. All these new tractors use sealed aluminum spindles and if you hit a rock 4 inch you usually will break the spindle housing. It may be a good idea to keep a spare spindle and a set of blades around.
Philip Elliott
Hi Paul,
I have really enjoyed your website and I appreciate so much your willingness to give advice.
I have been mowing with a JD X277 48 inch 17 HP Kawasaki for the last 15 years. It hasn’t given me a minutes trouble but is finally wearing out. I have about 2 acres that includes flat and sloping lawn no more than 35 degrees with a ditch, several hardwood trees and a chain link fence here in North Alabama.
My first thought is to replace with a JD X300 because the dealer said if I went with a D series I would not be satisfied because I’ve had the X277. I’m also open to other lawn tractors of similar quality, especially if I can save some money.
I would love to know that my next mower would last as long as my current one has. Can you help me with my decision? I really appreciate the help and advice you offer on this site.
Thanks so much,
Philip
Paul Sikkema
Hi Phillip, Sorry for the delay. It’s been busy this year! I feel the 100 series and even the new S240 are good for 8-10 years. All the new owners of the S240 love the tractor though. Too bad it only comes in 42 inch.
To get the longer life you need to stay with the X300 or X500 series.
Similar quality lawn tractors will be the XT3 series Cub Cadets and the Simplicity Conquest/Prestige.
Jon
Very useful site & thanks for the info. I live in Charleston, WV. I have almost 2 acres & some of it has about a 20-25% grade I need a mower that will handle hills. I want one that has a larger deck size. I don’t know which mowers have limited slip or locking rear diffs, but this is a feature I think I could use & I believe I need a hydrostatic. I also need to do this on a budget. I was looking at the Poulan Pro’s, or Husqvarna’s but not sure what I need really. Can you help me?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Jon, None of the residential mowers are rated for over 15%. I can’t suggest any to you because of that.
Jon
Understood I won’t ask you to recommend any of them but can you tell me what has limited slip? Do any of the Poulan Pro’s have it?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Jon, Sorry, this comment got dumped into the spam. I just found it. No the Poulan’s don’t have traction control. Cub Cadet has a 2 models, Husqvarna has a few including the GT48XLSi, Simplicity has it on the higher priced models and John Deere has a few in the X500 series. If money is no object look at the X500 series Deere’s.
Jon
Ok I will check those out, thank you so much for the info.
CC Germany
I’ve decided to start taking care of my lawn/landscaping again after 5 years of using a service. My Louisiana yard is a flat 2.5 acres with an open area of around 1.5 acres and the remainder is landscaped with 15- 20 trees of various sizes. I don’t need a machine to pull anything, though I might use a mulching kit. I want reasonable speed, a mower that will last at least 8-10 years, and access to someone who can repair the machine.
I have never used a ZTR mower before, so the new Toros(specifically the SWX5050)appeal to me. I’m not afraid of learning to use a lap bar, though.
I have a Gravely dealer very close to my home and they have a model for around the same price(ZT-X 52″) that I think would also suit my needs
Given the newness of the Toro engine, should I worry about any unforeseen design flaws, and could it be hard for me to find someone who could service it?
(This is my concern- not put in my head by the Gravely dealer)
Paul Sikkema
@CC, I’m not worried about the Toro engine. The engine is 3 years in the development and it is being made by one of the world’s largest small engine manufactures. It will be serviced by your local Toro dealer.
The Gravely is similar in quality to the Toro. If you like the Gravely dealer, I’d go with that. The dealer will gladly help you get familiar with your new machine.
Rob Homer
Hi, Paul…
My compliments on your lawn tractor reviews… Terrific insights and thought provoking to spur more research… I like it! I am looking to get a tractor mower and I want to get a reliable product… I’ve been looking at the JD S240, JD X300, JD X304 and they all have 18.5 HP Kawasakis and K46 trannys- Tripped over your reviews of the Craftsman mowers of the 20376, 20379, 20440 and 20442… Craftsman Kohlers 20 to 22 HPs… with the CVT trannys…
Now, I’m seeing there’s some issues with the K46’s and that the CVT’s would be a better choice-
Looking at the 42″ to 46″ cuts… My yard is level with 5 trees and 7 bushes… 1/2 acre… I need to mulch… I want the tight turns… Here are my questions- 1- What engine would better? the Kawaski or the Kohler?… 2- Kohler Elite or the 7000?… 3- Better warranty, JD or Craftsman?… Talking to JD dealer reps and they have said- the JD Kawasaki is an upgrade over the Kawasaki Cub Cadets, Toros & Husqvarnas… They have basically said the JD 18.5 Kawasaki will perform better than the 20-22 HP Kohlers… That the rankings of the engines would be 1- Kawasaki, 2- Kohlers 3- Briggs/Stratton… What gives?… JD’s are using the k46’s and I’m hearing the CVT’s comparison…
Your thoughts?…
Paul Sikkema
Hi Rob, If you go back to that John Deere dealer please wear your MUCK boots. I guess he has to say anything he can to get you to spend $500-1500 more for a green tractor that will do the same work as the Cub Cadet or Craftsman down the street.
1 & 2. Kawasaki, Kohler 7000 and Briggs Platinum in reality will all give you 8-10 years of dependable use. The Kohler 7000 Elite has a slightly better filter system than the 7000 – though not enough of a difference to tell you it is better.
3. In the JD dealer’s mind the JD Kawasaki is better than the Cub Cadet because it has John Deere decals – it’s not a better engine inside. They are both Kawasaki FR series engines.
4. The dealer is only telling the truth about the horsepower to make his engine look good. What he told you is actually 4 year old information because it was that way a few years ago. Today though, The facts are the Kawasaki horsepower is rated differently than the Kohler. It is rated that 98% of the engines sold will produce 18.5 hp. Kohler uses a different rating. The Kohler’s are rated so that 95% of the engines will produce their labeled Horsepower. In the past (4 years ago) the Kohler used a rating that allowed 15% of the engines to not meet the labeled HP. I don’t agree with the JD dealer on a 18.5 hp Kawasaki compared to a 20-22 hp Kohler. The Kohler has a larger displacement so it will have more torque. I know, it’s complicated.
5. Briggs has more different engine qualities than Kawasaki and Kohler. So what he told you is true if you look at the lowest quality Briggs. If you look at a certain priced tractor though the the manufactures install an equal quality engine in a similarly priced mower. That’s why if the tractor with a Briggs at Lowes is $300 cheaper than the same tractor at Home Depot the difference may be the engine quality. The difference is listed right on the engine.
So a Briggs Platinum, Briggs ELS, Briggs Professional Series, Kohler 7000, Kohler 7000 Elite, Kawasaki FR are basically the same quality. They will all give you the life you are looking for mowing 1/2 acre of grass weekly.
To quickly go through the transmissions. The RS800 CVT is a heavier transmission than the K46 but it operates differently and many people have problems using the foot control that is higher. That said, the K46 will work perfectly for your yard. The reason people have problems with it is because they use their lawn tractor to do work is was never designed to do. These owners say the K46 is junk yet I have two here that are 15 years old and work perfectly. They have never been serviced. My wife uses one for her yard work everyday and I mow with the other one 3 hours every week.
For your yard and the mowing you have to do the K46 will work just fine.
I highly recommend the Craftsman 20442. According to Consumer Reports, it bags and mulches better than all the John Deere’s and side discharges just as well. It has a very strong front steering with a 5 inch turning radius. Owners really like how easy this tractor is to steer. It has the great Kohler 7000 engine with a better filtration system (Elite) Yes, it has the K46 transmission but the transmission is designed for this tractor and it will last.
You can see it on sears.com here: Craftsman Pro Series 24 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 46
Rob Homer
Hey, Paul…
Thanks for the response… I couldn’t locate where I forwarded your thought request since your website had several comment locations… Alas! I found it-… Again, thanks for the thoughtful response- Looking back on the comments the JD rep mentioned, they are very similar to what you said about the JD’s… That being said, I was kinda partial to JD’s since my Grandpa had JD’s (farmer) and my uncle ran a JD repair business in Defiance County, Ohio… You are correct that JD’s are a premium, price-wise… What about the JD S240?… They currently have a $200 rebate going until Aug 2015… Any reviews or comments here before I make up my mind?… Just like another comment that was made, “analysis paralysis” is the affliction we all endure-
Anyway, I will certainly look into the Craftsman 20442… The 20440 has the 42″ blades and the 20442 are 46″… Since I am mulching, I thought I read somewhere that you should avoid mulching anything larger than a 42″ to avoid a messy trail driven yard… I presume that speed determines the quality cut…
Your thoughts?
Rob Homer
Waterville, OH
Paul Sikkema
Hi Rob, I understand the brand allegiance. I grew up with a father and grandfather who would never buy a John Deere. They were all Farmall because most of our relation worked at the Moline Plow Works. (My uncle designed the IH 560 and was one of the engineers on the first Cub Cadet)
I like the S240 a lot. I have a few readers who have purchased them and they really, really like them. They brag about how well it steers and they really like the seat. I expect it to mow similar to the D125 and D130 because it is using a 100 series frame and deck. It has the 300 series engine and a few little tweeks that make it a better overall tractor than the D125-D130 tractors.
$200 off brings it within $100 dollars of the Craftsman 20442 so the value is there.
I don’t know where you heard that about a 46 inch deck. They may have been talking about the old 3 blade 46 inch decks. Todays 2 blade decks bag just a little better than a 42 inch and the stamped decks are designed to mulch and side discharge well. In fact Consumer Reports rated the 46 inch Craftsman 20442 the best mulching mower this year. Last year it was the 42 inch X300 Deere.
Tools IN Action took a trip to Greenville to see the new tractor. Read about their trip and watch the videos here. John Deere Trip
Adam
Hi Paul,
I’ve sold a couple of riding lawnmowers and I’d like to step up to an actual garden tractor. I live in Traverse City (northwestern lower peninsula – Michigan). My new place has a few inclines and I’d like to be able to add a snowthrower attachment in the future, maybe before this winter or the next one. I’m a big guy and also have some maneuvering around trees, landscaping, and hills to keep in mind on just short of an acre. I have a budget of around $3,500 at most and I have been getting excited about the Husqvarna GT48XLSi (not the 52, shed door reasons). I like the idea of the locking diff on this unit. Any thoughts?
Paul Sikkema
@Adam, That sounds like a good choice. You can get either a 42 or 50 inch snow blower for that tractor.
Don
Thanks for all the information. I have wanted a riding mower for quite some time. I think that time has come.
Don, Dawson Creek, B.C.
Carmen
Dear Paul,
Thanks much. I did come looking for wisdom, so I thank you. The money part is always at hand as I try to be a good steward, but I do take care of my things so I will patch up my Craftsman for the mowing season and look for replacement at the end. Again, Paul, I appreciate your input and thank you for your time and advice.
Regards
Carmen
Butler PA
Carmen
Dear Paul,
I’ve had this Sears 50″ Garden Tractor for the last 21 years. I’ve been through a couple decks. The steering required lots of hands on, and early on I had significant belt issues until I changed the size on a whim. So I can’t complain, BUT, now I’m looking again and naturally drawn to the Sears Pro-Series, Tight turn. The rear tires are smaller, 20″ instead of 23″ and that has me thinking since I cant attach weights to it. My yard is predominantly level but there are hilly parts, it’s also prone to being wet because of it’s location. For the most part I stay away from the really soggy places until we get a dry spell of a week or so. Here’s my “dilemma”; the rear tire size for the price had me go out shopping, I found this Troy-Bilt Super Bronco 50″ deck with the proper tires… It’s $800 less than the Craftsman. The Troy Bilt doesnt have tight turn but I can live easily with the 18″ turning radius since it beats the snot out of my 1993 version. I don’t want to be cash blind… what can you tell me please.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Carmen, You are looking at the wrong Craftsman to replace your old one.
The direct replacement for your old tractor is the Husqvarna Built Craftsman 20403: 24HP 54″ Complete Start™ Turn Tight® Garden Tractor – Non CA
. This tractor has the 23 inch rear tires and the heavy duty garden tractor transmission.
If you are looking at the MTD built Craftsman Pro line the replacement tractor is the: Craftsman Pro 26HP Kohler engine; 54″ cutting deck
. It has the 22 inch rear tires and the heavy-duty K58 ground engaging transmission.
Please don’t buy the Troy-Bilt. It’s not Troy-Bilt brand or the deck or the engine or the tires or the transmission. It’s the combination of large tires, a K46 lawn tractor transmission and the big deck that will give you problems.
I wrote the following comment last week on the LGT tractors. I think it applies to this conversation. These are tractors with a lightweight K46 lawn tractor transmission and a large deck or large tires or garden tractor frame. The Troy-Bilt Super Bronco falls into this classification.
The Troy-Bilt XP Super Bronco 50 or 54, Troy Bilt TB2454, Cub Cadet XT1 LT54, XT2 LX54, Husqvarna LGT2654, Poulan Pro PBLGT, and the Craftsman 20444 also have big decks but the lawn tractor sized K46 transmission. The industry has had more problems with this engine/transmission/deck/frame combination than any other setup. The Craftsman G5100, John Deere D160’s and D170’s fall into this same issue.
Basically any lawn tractor with a 54 inch deck that sells for less than $2700 is using this transmission and the transmission is not designed for it.
The K46 transmission is a good transmission for a 42 to 46 inch inch deck but it is not heavy-duty enough to last when trying to push that large deck. Many people are getting less than 200 hours of use before the transmission goes out.
The Husqvarna LGT2654 is the model that has been around the longest. If you go search Google, read the tractor forums and read the reviews of it on Lowes and other sites you will find more people complaining about the transmission going out than on any other tractor.
There are only two large deck lawn tractors that do not use that transmission. The Craftsman model 20393 and the Poulan Pro PB24VA54. They use the stronger CVT.
Amazon has free shipping on the Poulan Pro PB24VA54 Kohler 24 HP Pedal Fast Auto 54-Inch
(Ignore the 1 to 3 months)
Home Depot also has them for the same price: Poulan PRO Lawn Mowers PB24VA54 54 in. 24-HP Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine Lawn Tractor 960420174
Craftsman Model 20393: 22HP 54” Kohler Powered Turn Tight Riding Mower – Non CA
Yes, the Troy-Bilt is $800 less but it is less for capabilities and long life. If cost is your only criteria for a selecting a new lawn tractor – buy what you want. But you came to this website because looking for help. I won’t suggest a tractor to you where the transmission will last only 2 weeks past the end of the warranty.
Larry
Paul,
I am new to the world of riding lawn mowers and have researched the various offerings on your very good site. I have a 1 acre area on the east side of Whidbey island, WA., which is pretty darn rough in places and with a 15-20 degree slope at one point. I have narrowed it down to the following (cost is always a concern though I would rather buy quality and durability if possible, rather than skimping to save some $);
Cub Cadet XT2 GX54, Craftsman Pro 20445, Husq. GT52LSi,, Husq.322T AWD, and finally the Raven MPV7100.
What do you think of the lineup and what direction might you give me?
Thanks for all your help.Larry
Paul Sikkema
Hi Larry, That’s a good list. All of these are good quality mowers.
Since you have steep hills I have to rule out both the Cub Cadet and the Craftsman. They do not have traction control and won’t go up your hills well.
The Husqvarna 322T is a nice mower but at $5299 is the most expensive of the group. I also don’t think it is the best choice because it will go up and down hills ok but is fairly narrow so mowing across a hill it can get tippy.
The Raven is also a good choice and I will recommend it, but there is one feature you may not like. It does not have any engine or transmission braking going downhill. You have to use the brake pedal to keep it from running away downhill. It has drum brakes that you can feather like your car but on the rear only.
That leaves the GT52XLSi. It has the electronic traction control. It has the power. It has a heavy duty deck. It has the best heavy duty frame Husqvarna offers. It has large front and rear tires to absorb some of the bumps. It the same heavy duty transmission found on the $6500 John Deere and Simplicity tractors. This is the mower I recommend.
Kyle
Farm and Fleet just dropped their price on Troy Bilt Tb2454. I did some digging and found that it has the k46 transmission. Is the 24HP Intek too big for the tranny? Do you think this tractor would fit my needs?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Kyle, Please don’t buy the Troy-Bilt. It’s not Troy-Bilt brand or the deck or the engine or the tires or the transmission. It’s the combination of large tires, a K46 lawn tractor transmission and the big deck that will give you problems.
I wrote the following comment last week on the LGT tractors. I think it applies to this conversation.
The Troy-Bilt XP Super Bronco 54, Troy Bilt Tb2454, Husqvarna LGT2654 and the Craftsman 20444 both have big decks but the lawn tractor sized K46 transmission. The industry has had more problems with this engine/transmission combination than any other setup. The Craftsman G5100, John Deere D160’s and D170’s fall into this same issue.
Basically any lawn tractor with a 54 inch deck that sells for less than $2700 is using this transmission and the transmission is not designed for it.
The K46 transmission is not heavy-duty enough to last when trying to push that large deck. Many people are getting less than 200 hours of use before the transmission goes out.
The LGT2654 is the model that has been around the longest. If you go search Google, read the tractor forums and read the reviews of it on Lowes and other sites you will find more people complaining about the transmission going out than on any other tractor.
There are only two cheap 54 inch lawn tractors that does not use that transmission. The Craftsman model 20393 and the Poulan Pro PB24VA54. They use the stronger CVT.
Amazon has free shipping on the Poulan Pro PB24VA54 Kohler 24 HP Pedal Fast Auto 54-Inch
(Ignore the 1 to 3 months)
Home Depot also has them for the same price: Poulan PRO Lawn Mowers PB24VA54 54 in. 24-HP Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine Lawn Tractor 960420174
Craftsman Model 20393: 22HP 54” Kohler Powered Turn Tight Riding Mower – Non CA
To answer your last question. You may like a 48. It won’t scalp your lawn as much but it will take you a 1.5 hours longer to mow your lawn. Poulan PRO Lawn Mowers PB22VA48 48 in. 22-HP Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine Lawn Tractor 960420171
If cost is your only criteria for a selecting a new lawn tractor – buy what you want. But you came to this website because looking for help. I won’t suggest a tractor to you where the transmission will last only 2 weeks past the end of the warranty.
Kyle in Madison
Thanks for the response. Yea i figured you’d say that about the k46. I think i would like to stay under a 50in deck. I tried going back into my wooded area and the Cub LT10150 couldnt make it back there with the larger deck.
My #1 priority is longevity and depndability. I would also like something with a little extra power (maybe larger wheels?) to make it up the hills and perhaps plow/blow my long sloped driveway in the winter. I want hyrdostatic foot pedal operation and it must mow in reverse.
Besides the Poulan is there anything else youd recommend? There aren’t any Poulan dealers around me and I’d really like to test drive or at least sit in it before I buy
Paul Sikkema
Hi Kyle, To get to large tires and a strong trans you need to go to the garden tractor style. The problem though is they only come with 54 inch decks.
By the way the Poulan sits just like the Craftsman yard tractors or the YT series Husqvarna’s.
I feel the Craftsman 20391 is one of the better mowers for dependability and long life. 22 HP V-Twin 48″ Turn Tight Fast Riding Mower – Non CA
. It is a good tractor. It cuts well. It’s under $2000. This one has a foot control and goes 7.5 mph so you can get done with your drive faster. You can read my review here: 20391 Review.
Judy
Hello Paul,
Have just purchased a Sears Riding Mower, 48″, 6″ turning radius, Model #917.203910
Very excited, this is our first brand new mower. Read thru the Quick Reference Guide and had my list of things to do to get this machine mowing.
I lifted the “hood” of the mower, looked thru the plastic guard that’s over the engine and saw a whole lot of rust, right in the center and every screw was also rusted. I phoned our local Sears store and was told that this was normal oxidation. What do you think?
thanks,
Judy
Harrisburg, PA
Paul Sikkema
Hi Judy, Yes this is normal. You are looking at the flywheel and it’s never painted. Over time it will get a nice brown patina. I guess I’ve never thought about why it’s not painted but I believe it’s not painted because the paint can cause an imbalance, cause vibration and take out the top bearing of the motor.
Ron
Hello Paul, Thanks for the great site! I’ve been thinking about retiring my Craftsman II (LT 4000) that I purchased new in 1992. The 42″ deck is getting mighty thin (still has the original spindles!). The old rascal runs great considering I have easily put over 1100 hours on the B & S 18hp engine. I like the specs. on the Poulan PBGT2654 but prefer the transaxle in the Husky GT48XLSi. Would you know if there are any future plans of a locking transaxle being put in the Poulan branded GT’s?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Ron, I don’t expect that to happen. Poulan is Husqvarna’s economy brand. The Husqvarna name is their premium brand so the premium brand will always get the toys.
David Thomas
Paul, I have a 2014 Craftsman Pro Series with the 26HP engine. I mows well and we use it to drag our arena dirt. I purchased it last year and the deck did snap off at one of the welding spots. Sears replaced it for free which included, shipping, new deck, blades, wheels , and belt. They came to my house and put it on. Great warranty and a good machine. My wife really puts it through a work out.
Regards,
Dave from Ridgeland, South Carolina
Susan Morgan
Dear Paul, I have 2.5 acres of somewhat bumpy country lawn to mow, with a number of trees to go around. Based on your wonderful reviews, I’ve narrowed my search to John Deere’s x300 with a 48 ” deck, or the Craftsman 20403 with a 54 inch deck. Do you have a recommendation. Mecklenburg, NY Thank you.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Susan, There is no comparison for strength between the X300 and the 20403. The 300 series Deere that compares to the 20403 is the X320. Why?
The Craftsman 20403 uses a heavy duty garden tractor transmission rated for ground engaging tasks. The X300 uses a lawn tractor transmission. That said, if you just mowing lawn the X300 will work just fine.
The Craftsman 20403 turns tighter but the X300 turns easier. If you want a Craftsman that is comparable for ease of steering look at the Pro Series 26 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 54″ Turn Tight Extreme Garden Tractor
. The Craftsman Pro turns tighter and just as easy as the X300 Deere.
The fit and finish is better on the X300 than the 20403. Again if you want a comparable Craftsman look at the Pro model.
The X300 uses 20 inch rear tires. The ride will not be as good as the 20403.
Going back to the steering. With a rough bumpy farm lawn I can’t recommend the 20403. The whole front steering is not heavy duty enough to handle that type of lawn. If you move up to the Pro model then the steering issues go away.
So to summarize. The 20403 is not the best tractor for your bumpy yard. The front steering is not strong enough. The better Craftsman for you is the Pro Series 26 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 54″ Turn Tight Extreme Garden Tractor
.
In the 300 series John Deere’s the X300 48 will do the job but I am worried about the transmission lasting you 8-10 years. I would suggest you look at the X320 instead.
The X320 and the Craftsman Pro 20445 have the same easy steering. The Craftsman Pro turns tighter. Both tractors use the same larger 22 inch tires so they will give you a better ride but some owners state the springs on the seat of the Craftsman Pro are too stiff and it bounces you. If you weigh less than 150 lbs this may be a problem. The Craftsman Pro’s deck is rated to give the best cut on a smooth lawn but you may find it will gouge your bumpy lawn unless you mow at 3 inches or higher. The X320 deck will mow your bumpy lawn without gouging.
The bottom line: If you want the best tractor for your lawn go with the X320. If you want the best value for your bumpy lawn and can live with raising the mowing height to 3 inches and possibly a bouncing ride go with the Craftsman Pro.
Jeff
My Father in law has about 2-3 acres to mow close to South Bend IN and his old mower has now tanked. He oftentimes can’t get to mowing till it’s wait to late, so he can be rough on it. He’d prefer a 54″ cut, but also has a limited budget 1800-2500 at most likely so I guess the larger the better. The yard is generally flat with some bumps along the way. long term Reliability is probably the most important feature after factoring in the budget. What would you recommend to fit his budget and needs? No mowers are off limits.
Thanks for your help.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Jeff, The only 54 inch I would recommend in that price range is the Craftsman 22HP 54” Kohler Powered Turn Tight Riding Mower – Non CA
.
It has the Kohler 7000 engine, 54 inch deck and the good CVT transmission. The only thing you should know is the deck will mow no higher than 3.25 inches. If you need a mower that mows higher you need to spend around $2800.
Jeff
Thanks Paul. I forgot to mention that he plows the long driveway with it in the winter… With heavier than average snowfall here. I don’t know if that affects anything or not.
Reliability/longevity being way up on the priority list, is there a smaller (like 48-50″)and more robust tractor in his price range that you would steer him to? Or does he really need to open up the pocketbooks a bit more to get something to Hampshire the loads. It’s less of a lawn and more of a field by the way. Sorry for all the questions. I levitate your help.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Jeff, Keep asking, I’ll keep answering.
I would rather see him buy the Craftsman 24HP 54″ Complete Start™ Turn Tight® Garden Tractor – Non CA
.
It’s a heavy duty garden tractor that will handle his field and move the snow well (with weights and chains) Besides the larger tires and heavy duty transmission the nice feature for him is the tractor will go 8 mph! That will make a big difference plowing snow. It is really worth the extra $300 to get this tractor.
Tim W.
Hi, I am considering the Columbia LT4218. It has a CVT. My lot is less than 1/2 acre and has some slope to it. Do you think this CVT will hold up? I am assuming it is an MTD and am wondering if I should opt for one with a General Transmission brand? I am in Johnstown, PA.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Tim, No one ever talks about the CVT in the MTD built lawn tractors because they never give us any problems. You may have to replace the CVT belt every 5 years or so but otherwise they just work. It appears you are loking at the right sized mower for your yard so it should work well.
What motor is in the LT4218? I couldn’t find any listing of that model anywhere.
If they want more than $1400 for that tractor look at the Craftsman Lawn Tractors. here before you buy. I’ll bet they are the same, basic machine.
Tim W.
The LT4218 is a 2014 model that I couldn’t find online either. It was $1599 delivered with tax. I did some looking at Sears and found one with a black, GT transaxle, It is the model 20381X and by the time I used all my Sears discounts I got it for $1388 delivered with tax. I think this is a good deal. Let’s hope. I have been driving my wife crazy with my constant looking for a deal.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Tim, You can read my review of the Craftsman here: 25081/20381x Review
Russ M
Hey Paul,
I just moved to Kingsland, Georgia and now have almost 2 acres to mow. I have Lowes and Sears available here in town and have seen some of the Poulan mowers sold in local stores as well. I’m leaning toward a Craftsman Turn-Tight like the T1800. The lawn is somewhat sandy with shallow drainage ditches, and about twenty trees of various size to work around. Would the T1800 do the job or should I just spend the extra and get the 20390?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Russ, The T1800, Model 20376 does not have the turn-tight steering. Yes, it is too small for two acres. It is an inexpensive lawn tractor that will work well for an acre but on 2 acres you will wear it out in a few years.
I suggest the Model 25081. It has the Turn-Tight steering and is heavier duty all around. The single cylinder Briggs engine will last. The only feature the 20390 has over it is the V-Twin engine.
25081: 19HP 42 in. Turn Tight® Automatic Riding Mower
20390: 22HP 42” Turn Tight® Fast Riding Mower – Non-CA
Russ M
Thanks for your advice. I hadn’t considered how the added acreage would take its toll on the mower. I know folks who have used riders for years are more familiar with fender throttles but the pedal control appeals to me because this will be my first rider, so I’ve never used a fender throttle. Do you think it would take much time to grow accustomed to the fender throttle on the 25081?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Russ, it will take all of 5 minutes. If you get in trouble just step on the left pedal and the tractor stops.
Jacob
I have 5 acres of very rough lawn in Northern MS. There is a very steep hill in the back yard, (right at 20 degrees) and some of the natural ruts are over a foot deep and about 7 inches wide. Filling in the washed out areas is pointless because they will just washout the next rainy season. I mow every week. In your opinion, what is the best mower, cost not an issue, for that type of lawn? Secondly, what is the best mower under $3000 that will last?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Jacob, the best mower for any type of lawn is the Walker. You can set these mowers up to handle your lawn. Check out why they are the best here: The Walker Advantage.
The best mower that will last is the Craftsman 20442. I can’t recommend it for your lawn, in fact there are only one or two mowers on the market that can mow your hill and they are well over $12,000.
The closest mower that may work is the Toro SWX5050. Heavy, fabricated deck. Strong transmissions, both rear wheels drive and an engine that will last on slopes. Home Depot sells it here: Toro Lawn Mowers TimeCutter SWX5050 50 in. Fab 24.5 HP V-Twin Zero-Turn Riding Mower with Smart Park 74797C
Kevin
I have a little over 3/4 acres of uneven terrain with a bunch of trees scattered around the yard. I was trying to decide between the Husqvarna YTH22V46 V-Twin Hydrostatic 46-in Riding Lawn Mower with Briggs & Stratton Engine and Mulching Capable or the Club Cadet XT1 Enduro Series LT 46 in. 22 HP V-Twin Kohler Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower. Is one better than the other in your opinion or do you have another suggestion of a comparable mower that is better? I appreciate your input.
Paul Sikkema
@Kevin, According to the Husqvarna website the YTH22V46 has the Briggs Intek engine. Although it is a “standard” engine in many mowers some owners have had issues with it when mowing slopes.
The Kohler in the Cub Cadet Lawn Mowers XT1 Enduro Series LT 46 in. 22 HP V-Twin Kohler Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower – California Compliant LT46 CARB
is a better engine. I expect it to give you up to 25% more life than the Intek in the YTH22V46.
I like the XT1 26 inch. If you want a comparable tractor with a tighter turning radius and a little bigger engine look at the Craftsman Pro Series 24 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 46″ Turn Tight Extreme Riding Mower
Lynette
Hi Paul,
I really need help. I am an older handicapped female. I am now widowed. My husband always mowed our 1 acre yard. I have a John Deere lawn tractor with a 42″ deck, but I am not able to get on it. My legs are weak and I cannot step over the deck to get to the seat. I cannot afford to pay someone to mow the yard. Average bid is around $100.00 a week.It would be cheaper for me to buy a new mower. My yard is flat but bumpy with lots of trees; 3 of which are walnut, which is another issue by itself. My biggest concern is getting on the mower. I have tried to look at mowers in stores but they are always lined up close together. I cannot even get to them to see if I can get on them and sales people seem unwilling to help. Is there something where the deck doesn’t stick out so far? Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Lynette, About the only tractor where the deck doesn’t stick out any farther than your 42 inch John Deere would be a 38 inch John Deere X300. The issue I have is the mower is $3100 at your local John Deere dealer.
I have another idea though. Take a look at the picture below. A step like this may be all you need. Now, the step in the picture is too small, I suggest you have someone make you one with a 10 X 10 inch top step and the upright handle make that at least 40 inches. This step is 6 inches high.
If that step is too high have someone make you a 2-step stool. Make each step about 4 inches high and the top step 10X10.
Make it out of pine and paint it and you can leave it out in the yard or in the garage right by the mower.
Feel free to ask any other questions.
Julie
Hi-
Female homeowner/lawn care person here. First time I have had to purchase a riding mower. I have read, researched, talked to, and reviewed till I am dizzy…..and still don’t know more than I did when I started. So, ask the expert. I have 1.5-2 acres to mow; most is flat, but there is a small incline, approx. 10-15 degrees. I have lots of trees, lots of limbs that fall, and some occasional rocks that wash up after a heavy rain. My son keeps touting the zero turn but I dont think that is what I need, based on reading some of your other reviews. With that said, I am looking at products from Walmart, HomeDepot and Lowes. Probably 46-48 inch cut. I would like something that can mulch, and something that I could attach a cart to for carrying light items around the yard. Price would need to be under 2,000. Can you recommend anything for me?? Just too overwhelmed with all the products out there.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Julie, I’ll be glad to point you in one direction.
First, stay far, far away from WalMart. I shop there all the time for food and electronics but all the riding mowers they have are built for the cheapest cost. They usually give you more problems than they are worth after 2-3 years.
Lowes is fine, but I do like the overall service from Home Depot better. If you have a problem they just about always get you to a local dealer for the repair.
I am going to suggest two tractors: First, the Cub Cadet XT1 Enduro Series LT 46 in with 22 HP V-Twin Kohler. What you get is a great, smooth running engine, an easy to use foot control for the speed. You also get a really good cutting deck and the best of all the ladies who have purchased this tractor say it has the best steering they have used on a lawn tractor. They state it’s almost like power steering.
With this tractor you can get it and a yard cart for your $2000 budget.
I want to warn you, the tractor is shipped to you and there is some assembly before you can mow with it. When you use the link below look at the “Instructions / Assembly” down by the Product Overview section. It’s not a big project to assemble it but you do need a few tools.
You can use this link to see it and order it online to pick up at your local store or they will ship it to your home. Cub Cadet Lawn Mowers XT1 Enduro Series LT 46 in. 22 HP V-Twin Kohler Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower – California Compliant LT46 CARB
You can attach a mulch kit: Cub Cadet Landscaping Supplies 46 in. Mulch Kit for Cub Cadet LTX 1045 Riding Mower 19A30005100
I suggest spending at least $200 on a cart. Anything less won’t last. The poly carts hold up the best. If you want the best on the market this year for the price: Craftsman 12 cu. ft. Swivel Dump Cart with Hydraulic-Assisted Lift & Run-Flat Tires
If you absolutely don’t want to assemble your new tractor to save a few dollars the second choice is delivered for you by a local dealer and is ready to mow with. It’s a little more money ($1999)
The 48 inch John Deere D140 is also a good mower. Yes, I bragged up the Cub Cadet because everyone so far loves it, but this Deere is no piece of junk either. Again, a great smooth running engine, a good cutting deck and it pretty much drives like your car. This tractor has been around for quite some time and it continues to be a good machine.
You can read about it and order it here. John Deere Lawn Mowers D140 48 in. 22 HP V-Twin Hydrostatic Front-Engine Riding Mower BG20730
Feel free to ask any other questions. When you buy come back and let us know what you got. And anytime feel free to ask any questions about how it use it or maintain it.
Jason
Jason – Chillicothe OH.
I currently have a John Deere LA150, 54″ with chains on the tires for better traction. The transmission is going out so I have started searching for a new mower. I’m open to any Make and Model 46″-54″ deck and could use your recommendation. Some I have looked at our the Craftsman Pro, Husqvarna, John Deere and Cub Cadet. But again, I’m not limiting myself to these and open to make or model that you suggest.
My yard is about 1.5 acre. The entire yard is pretty much on a small degree slope (guessing <15), but there is a few small areas that are fairly steep (hence my use of the chains for traction), and a run-off ditch that is often wet. The grass can grow really thick in some of the areas. The ground is rough in a lot of places and makes for a very bumpy ride. There is a fair amount of obstacles I have to mow around (trees, utility boxes ect..). On rare occasions I use the mower to haul dirt, wood, rocks ect.. towing a small dump cart, and sometimes I even use the snow blade to clear our small driveway in the winter months.
Quick thank you to Paul and everyone on this site providing a wealth of great information on this topic.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Jason, The Craftsman Pro 54 inch Garden Tractor uses the same rear tire size as your LA150 so you can save $100 by using your old chains. The Cub Cadet XT2 GX54″ with Fabricated Deck is a dealer model and also uses the same tires and also has traction control. With the traction control you may find you don’t need chains anymore.
Either way I would stick with the garden tractors. They have a heavier transmission (K58) for your hills.
Jason
Thanks Paul! I checked out the Cub Cadet and really liked what I saw. I really like the looks of the Craftsman Pro – the tight steering seems like it would be very beneficial as well, but I’m not sure since I’ve never tried it, however I was unable to get information on the type of transmission in these different pro models, can you help me identify please?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Jason, here is the latest comment from a new Craftsman Pro owner, “Hi Paul, I just wanted to give a quick report on the Craftsman Pro Series 26 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 54″ Turn Tight Extreme Garden Tractor that you recommended for us. We took your recommendation and bought this mower. I LOVE THIS MOWER! It has a pretty comfortable ride and the steering is incredible. I am used to a very hard handling steering but this is almost a power steering! It is wonderful! Thank you very much for all your advice.”
The Craftsman Pro 20445 Garden tractor uses a K58 which is rated for ground engaging work. The rest use the K46. I recommend the 42 inch 20440 and the 46 inch 20442. I don’t recommend the 20443 54 inch lawn tractor because I feel the transmission is too light and will give you issues later on.
Jason
Paul, thank you! I have one final question (I promise). I have narrowed down my search to 2 mowers, the Cub Cadet XT2 GX54 which you recommended (sadly this mower is currently backed ordered until late June) and the Husqvarna XLSi which is available now. I like the idea of the CC having auto traction control where as the Husqvarna has a manual. The sales people could not tell me what would happen if I turned on the manual traction control and forgot to turn it off – could this damage the mower? Just trying to determine if their is enough of a difference between these 2 mowers that would prompt me to wait for the CC to become available. Your advice is very much appreciated Thanks again!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Jason, with both machines when you stop the tractor the trans lock disengages. Personally I would go with the GT52LSi because it has the heavier K66 trans.
The automatic traction control can be a pain. Why? because it automatically engages and you may not realize it. So when you go to turn the tractor wants to plow straight ahead. With the manual you know when it is engaged.
Lou
Thank you for all your valuable insight and recommendations! I bought a John Deere D140 yesterday at Lowes. Original price $1999, I used my Lowes card and saved $100. Then they also had a $250 rebate for a Lowes gift card that I will get, bringing the bottom line down to $1650. I think I got a great deal! Thanks so much!
Kaleb
Tulsa, OK, Here is another question for you. What do you think about the Cub Cadets at Home Depot, the LT 50 and the GT 50. They are made by MTD, right? Is that a bad thing? I always thought MTD made mowers were cheap lower quality.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Kaleb, MTD makes riding mowers costing $899 all the way up to $13,000! Their quality is based on the market they are selling in. So yes, MTD does have a line that is made for WalMart, another for Lowes, etc. The Cub Cadet brand is their premium U.S. line and it does have comparable quality to the other brands that you have heard are better.
MTD has rebuilt the Cub Cadet tractor line for 2015. I wrote a summary article here: 2015 Cub Cadet XT1 – XT2 Lawn & Garden Tractor Review
Now to answer your question. I don’t like the LT50 if you have hills. It uses the k-46 transmission and it’s a little light for heavy duty work. For flat and gently sloped land it will be a good mower.
The GT%) is a good mower. It has a heavy-duty transmission and larger tires. It cuts well and rides well. If you want a garden tractor and can’t use the 54 inch deck this is a good alternative.
You can read more and order it here. Cub Cadet Lawn Mowers XT1 Enduro Series GT 50 in. 25 HP V-Twin Kohler Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine Garden Tractor with Cub Connect Bluetooth GT50
.
Chris
Hi Paul,
I have about .5 acres with some hills. The largest hill is the majority of the backyard and it approx 10 degrees.
Also, the yard is brand new last year so the sod is a bit rough yet. Will need to roll it at some point. I’m dealing with red clay, so it is very hard.
Biggest question, will the standard k46 trans hold up ok with these hills on a 42-46″ tractor?
Also, is having 4 anti skid wheels over 2 a huge improvement?
Paul Sikkema
@Chris, Anti-scalp wheels are a selling point (like a deck wash) more than they are useful. They are supposed to protect your deck from denting on the corner of a sidewalk, cement curb, tree root, etc. Two if placed in the right corners will work just as well as four.
Yes, a K-46 on a 42-46 inch tractor will hold up.
Beth
Hi Paul,
I moved to a rural property in Lake Stevens, Washington about 4 years ago. The mowed area is just over an acre, and although it’s flat it is very uneven. I had a Husqvarna YTH20K46 but after a year of mowing this rough ground, the drive belts wouldn’t stay on (no tensioner on that model). I then purchased a new Toro Timemaster 30 with a 190cc B&S and I’ve had terrible luck with the engine; it floods more often than it starts. (The dealer replaced the carb, at my cost, but it hasn’t helped.) I don’t know if this property is jinxed but I’ve never had this much trouble with mowers. Can you please recommend a rider that will stand up to the rough ground, and start reliably? Thank you very much for your help, Beth.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Beth, I think a good model for you is the 20390 Craftsman lawn tractor. This mower works well on rougher ground and is very reliable.
You are a very good candidate for the optional Sears Protection Plan. The Protection plan not only covers warranty stuff for 5 years but also includes most wear and tear items like belts, batteries, tires, etc. It even includes fuel related issues. All you have to do is change the oil, filters and blades. If you have any problem with the tractor like a belt slipping off or it not starting just call 1-800-4MY-HOME and a Sears tech comes out and works on it.
Lou
So just to be clear, the issue you were talking about with the Club Cadet XT1 where you said that it is rigid and not the best for a yard that has any type of swales or ridges, that is NOT the same as the John Deere floating deck on the D140. Sorry, just trying to understand. I’m seeing sales of all kinds this weekend, so I want to buy. John Deere has a $250 rebate gift card at Lowes, plus they will give 5% (almost $100) off the purchase price. So that makes the D140 bottom line $1649. Club Cadet is priced at $1699 at a few places, and someone said that Home Depot will price match that and then also give the 5% Lowes discount, which, if true, would bring it down to $1614. However, I have been told that, even though it is the same model as at a dealer, they make them differently (and cheaper) for the big box stores. Would I be better served to go straight to a John Deere dealer and lose out on the rebate rather than a big box store? Or a Club Cadet dealer rather than a big box store?
Paul Sikkema
@Lou, You must have been talking to a shady dealer. I would not go back to there – EVER! The same model is the same model – period. It doesn’t matter if it is sitting at Lowes, Home Depot, your John Deere dealer or the Cub Cadet dealer.
It looks like you have done your homework. Both the D140 and the Cub Cadet are good prices and you will be happy with either mower.
Just to be clear on the discounts. Most retailers will price match or give you the discounts but they won’t do both. That’s called “stacking.” Now most retailers will work the deal both ways and give you the best price but very seldom can you stack one deal on top of the other. Their profit margin is too tight to give the tractor away.
Richard Fraboni
Rich – Greenville, NC.
I have been struggling with what type of mower to replace my now dead Craftsman GT5000. Suffered catastrophic engine failure. I really like the garden tractor class machines, as I am a bigger person and like the heavier duty transmission and components, including the larger tires that spread my weight over a greater area.. I am just concerned that carrying me that the load will be a bit much on the standard k46 on most of the mowers. I have looked at a couple of used X500 JD, The XT3 CC and Gt2100 series. The local JD dealer has even recommended a used LX289 with 300 hours on it, for around 1800 dollars. I have also had recommendations to got the ZT mower route with Hustler Raptor SD as one of the leading contenders.
I have about 1/2 an acre to mow with a few trees, being in eastern NC, we are flat. I have a really shallow drainage area in the front of the lawn that has never been a problem to mow along. I also will haul an occasional cart with a few hundred pounds on it, or a broadcast spreader.
Am I worrying too much in my situation? Should I look at something like the XT2 series CC, I am iffy on craftsman after my last sales experience while researching. I also know they did not stand behind the warranty on my last tractor, it kept throwing the belt, until I discovered the belt was defective, not a big expense but came from the factory that way.
Thank you for all the information you provide.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Richard, no one covers belts for any reason – except Sears. And they only cover them under the optional Protection Plan. That said,
The LX289 was a very good mower. It’s one of those that the guys say, “I wish today’s mowers were made like the old ones.” $1800 is a good price for a 2004 -2005.
If you are looking at Cub Cadet you do not need the XT2 series. The biggest selling point on the XT2 is the transmission has a locking diff and you may have more problems with that on the light soil of eastern plains that it’s worth. (It wants to push the mower in a straight line when it’s engaged and to release it you have to stop the tractor)
The XT1 GT50 is a good choice.
If you have a Husqvarna dealer around also look at the GTH24K54.
Richard Fraboni
Thank you. I will try to see if the local Husqvarna dealer has one.
I was also wondering if I am just being overly paranoid about the k46 and should give them greater consideration.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Richard, If you keep your deck size under 48 inches and the rear tires to 20 inches the K46 does well. When you install the K46 in a tractor with 22 or 23 inch rear tires and a 54 inch deck – you are asking for problems.
Wendel
Hi Paul, I’m just getting started looking for my first yard tractor and would be interested in your recommendation for my situation. I live in Canada, have 1.5 acres to cut, sloped terrain, with one section that is marshy/wet until mid May to June. I would like to pull a cart for moving around mulch, soil, & firewood. Maybe the occasional stone(s) for landscaping. Not sure if I should go 42″ or 48″. Not sure what HP I should be looking at, would be nice to get something with decent speed.
I have started reading about the John Deere D130 and D140, but am open to all suggestions. Only reason I’ve been looking at the Deere’s is because I want something reliable that will last, and they seem to have a great reputation.
Thank you.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Wendel, I don’t keep track of the tractors in Canada but also look at the 2015 Columbia 46 inch (the same as the 2015 Cub Cadet here) and the CRAFTSMAN®/MD 46 inch for comparison. The Deere’s, Columbia and Craftsman have good reviews.
Kaleb
Does the D170 have the same k46 trans as in the Husqvarna lowes 54″ mower that should be avoided because the trans is too small for the deck and larger wheels?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Kaleb, Yes. I only recommend the D170 for flat lawns. You can pull a yard cart for leaves, mulch and sticks otherwise the transmission may not last. Don’t buy it if you mow slopes greater than 5 degrees.
Kaleb
Hi Paul, Yes I have about 2-3 acres of flat land to mow. I was originally looking at the LGT2654 or whatever it is at Lowes and you said avoid it due to the large deck and wheels and the trans was too small for it. Since the D170 also has a 54″ deck and large wheels and the same tranny, would it also suffer the same issues and should be avoided as well?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Kaleb, Yes. I only recommend the D170 for flat lawns. You can pull a yard cart for leaves, mulch and sticks otherwise the transmission may not last. Don’t buy it if you mow slopes greater than 5 degrees.
Joel
What would you recommend for a sloped yard? Joel wheeling, wv
Paul Sikkema
Hi Joe. How much slope? How big of a yard? Where do you live so I can get an idea of what type of grass you are mowing?
Here is a slope chart.
Ron Jones
I have read many of your articles and am uncertain where to go. I have a large, bumpy, gopher holed yard, about an acre, in Winter park, Co, 9000′ elevation. It is not a lawn but rather cut grass yard. I haul things in my garden trailer from time to time….rocks, tools, etc.
I want something durable, DEPENDABLE EASY STARTING, not too rough of a ride. I don’t plow snow, grade, etc…I cut grass and haul. The grass is course, native grass….not bluegrass, and when it gets long frequently it doesn’t cut cleanly.
Simply put, I want the overall best Price to value…but well built to last. I am confused by deck size, transmission types, engine manufactures, etc. You have so many good things to say about so many tractors. I was set to buy the Craftsman Pro Series 26 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 54″ Turn Tight Extreme Garden Tractor but then I read your Poulon reviews which seem to point me in that direction.
I have never been a Briggs fan in that starting was sometimes an issue. Do I really need a 54″ deck and will it scalp with the bumps in the yard? It doesn’t seem that I want a zero turn but the Craftsman 6″ turn sounds helpful. Lastly, what questions should I have asked you that I didn’t. Please advise and thanks in advance.
The model # on the Pro Series 26 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 54″ Turn Tight Extreme Garden Tractor is 98645. I see so many different model #s that is a bit confusing as well.
One further consideration. Even though I live at altitude in the Colorado mountains, my property is pretty flat. I do have some hundreds of yards to cover from place to place so having some speed capability is helpful. Lastly, my yard is not rectangular, so some handling is helpful.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Ron, Sorry my response took so long. I had to research running these engine at high altitude. Too bad we don’t have electronic fuel injection on the residential models yet.
Yes, sorting out the best tractor for you can be a real chore. And, unlike the other sites that like to pick the “best” I know that the best in my mind may not be the best for you. Every tractor is made for a certain type of owner and I hope I can help you find the right mower for you.
Have you looked at the Raven MPV-7100? It sounds like the perfect mower for you? Go Here: Raven MPV-7100.
The Pro series you mention is Model number 20445. Pro Series 26 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 54″ Turn Tight Extreme Garden Tractor
. The 98645 was a 2014 model that has been discontinued.
The Poulan Pro Garden Tractor is getting very hard to find. A least it is back on Amazon with free shipping. You need to put it in the cart to see the delivery date. Poulan Pro PBGT2654 Kohler 26 HP 54-Inch
Both the Craftsman Pro and the Poulan Pro have nice, large tires, and heavy-duty front axles. The Poulan has the 8 mph transmission and it really does make a difference running around.
Ron Jones
I can buy the Craftsman Pro 98645 (reconditioned) from Sears Outlet with a full three year warranty for $2300. You have praised Craftsman in general. Do you like this particular model. My grass is native, not .bluegrass, and can be tough to mow. I don’t like mowing in gear 3…would prefer a speed mower….simply am too impatient. The 42″ deck also takes too long. I need a mower that will make a clean cut at a slightly higher speed. Also, lots of tight turns in my serpentine yard but no hills. Hauling a lawn trailer full of rocks may happen. My budget is in the mid $2000’s down. I don’t mow enough yard or often enough for a $4000 tractor.
And the gophers insist this is their yard so things get a bit bumpy
Thank you for your help.
Paul Sikkema
Ron, The 98645 is basically the Craftsman 20403 with a few additional features. You can read my review of the 20403 here to get a feel for the tractor: 20403 review.
The 98645 was only sold in 2014 and is a Husqvarna made tractor (the 2015 Craftsman Pro’s are made by MTD)
The differences between it and the 20403 are:
Kohler 7000 series engine
Quick-tach blades (you can get the blades through Sears Hometown stores and searspartdirect)
A strip of metal around the bottom of the deck (reinforced deck)
It’s a good, heavy duty garden tractor. It will work well on your mole infested yard. By the way, a couple of years using ORTHO® Bug B Gon® MAX will get rid of the grubs and the moles will leave.
PJ Gill
Centralia WA–which for me means very hilly and very rough 2.5 acres and lots of damp tall grasses as well as a small orchard and large tree roots (that I keep finding with my now-ex Cub Cadet lawn tractor).
I’ve put in a lot of money into the Cub Cadet that I got with this property over a year ago. I’ve had the CC maintained, and also had to put it in for repeated repairs, a lot of belts, and a couple broken “things.” Even the repair guy says it may be time for a new one.
I’ve read hundreds of your postings and reader comments/questions, but I haven’t seen you reference the Columbia brand. I’m looking at a YT4622 SE for around $2,100 with a Kohler 7000 series engine, 22 hp, 46″ deck, hydrostatic transmission. Or the CSLT 5424 for around $2,300 with same engine at 24 hp, same trans, 54″ deck, and bigger wheels (23X9.5″ and 16X6.5″).
What is your evaluation of this brand? If not good, what would you recommend for my former blackberry farm property? Am I right that larger wheels might be better on my rough land?
Your reviews are incredibly detailed, and you show great patience with us ignoramuses. 🙂
Any help would be deeply appreciated. I’ve only been using a riding mower for about a year, so I’m deeply ignorant.
Paul Sikkema
Hi PJ, The more I write – the more you know and one-day you can take over this website 🙂
Columbia has been MTD’s Canadian brand since the 1970’s but they have been introducing the brand on the east coast of the United States now for about 3 years. It appears to be a replacement name for Troy-Bilt, YardMan and MTD Gold. If you buy a 2015 model it uses the same basic components as the Cub Cadet XT1 line. (I like the 2015 Cub Cadet line and it is a major improvement over your older Cub Cadet)
DO NOT buy the CSLT5424. The K46 transmission is not strong enough for the large tires, big deck and your hills. The transmission will not last the 8-10 years you expect. (This is like putting a car transmission in a full-sized work truck and expecting it to last 100,000 miles pulling 10,000 lbs.)
I can recommend the TY4622SE. The 46 inch decks cuts well and the 22HP Kohler 7000 is a great engine. Yes, this tractor also uses the K46 transmission but this is what the K46 was designed for. Even though it won’t last in the CSLT5424 it will give you long life in this tractor.
If you want the larger tires move up to the CGT5426. It’s more money but worth it if you want the better ride and larger deck.
Dan
I have less than a half acre that I moved to 3 years ago. My 22″ push mower has been going strong for 16 years but is about ready to bite the dust. It takes me about 2+ hours to mow so even though I don’t have money in the budget, I’d rather put the money toward a riding mower rather than another push. I’ve been researching hard for 3 weeks.I have a 10% off at Lowe’s and also rebates for another 7% off (tax free basically). My finalists are the Husqvarna YTH22V46 and John Deere D110. The Husq is also $100 this week and the JD have a $250 Lowes gift card rebate. I have read that you should jump up to the 130 over the 110 but how high do I need to go? I take very good care of my things and most of my things last a very long time. But I can’t afford to be wrong on this purchase. Comparing the two, I like the Husq better. More bells and whistles, bigger and more powerful. The JD is ranked at the top of most sites, but it really concerns me about the cheap seat, hood, paint and spindles.On the other hand, the biggest problem I keep reading about the Husqvarna is the horrible customer service. Counting all discounts and rebates, the JD will cost about 1270 and the Husq about 1440 new. I have also been looking at people selling used mowers and there are a few Husq for sale. One is the big 54″ with 55 hrs on it that he has come down to $1300 and still no buyers. I was thinking of getting it if he’d take $1K. There is a 46 with 23 hrs for 900, but he hasn’t gotten back to me. What are your thoughts on these two mowers and buying used and the prices of used. I am definitely open to suggestions. Thanks!
Dan
I just read your cub cadet review and the 46″ XT1 looks good. It’s on sale at TSC this week and Home depot will beat that by 10% and honor my Lowes 10%. I wouldn’t get the online rebates but that could be the way to go.
Paul Sikkema
@Dan, sounds like a plan!
Lou
I have still been looking for a good mower since I was able to limp mine along, and was looking at the Club Cadet XT1 or XT2. I saw your review and my yard does have some water drainage swales, as well as an area the old owners of the property planted rows of corn so they built up maybe 5 rows. My current John Deere 100 series is comparable in that it is considered a stiff framed tractor, isn’t it? Not really sure what a floating deck design is. If the Club Cadet is comparable to that design, I should be fine with it. I mow 3 acres, lots of dandelions in there, and only one area that has a small hill. I had been looking at the Craftsman model 20391, but the ratings on that indicate a problem with grinding and transmission housing is known to be defective. Others state problems with the transmission. I had also been looking at the John Deere D140. I remember reading you were impressed with 3 types of engines – one was the Kawasaki, another was the Briggs and Stratton Platinum, and I forget the last one. I don’t want to spend more than $2000, but want one that cuts well, is dependable and won’t break on me easily, and one I won’t easily damage by say going over something I didn’t see. Looking at ratings, I see the Club Cadet has a 94% recommend with 4.7 of 5 stars (47 reviews), Craftsman has a 70% recommend with 3.5 of 5 stars (51 reviews), and John Deere has a 86% recommend with 4.3 of 5 stars (200 reviews). Of course, one can never tell if the majority of these ratings are after only 1 mowing session, a month, a year, or 5 yrs. What is your take on these 3 mowers?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Lou, The Cub Cadet reviews are only one month old. When you are looking at reviews always look when they were written. Any review (especially bad reviews) over 1 year old should be taken with a large dose of salt.
A floating deck is a design where guide wheels do not ride on the turf and those wheels do not control the height of the cut. A ground-hugging deck uses those guide wheels to control the height of the cut. Only the larger Simplicity tractors, Walker zero-turns and the Husqvarna riders use the ground hugging deck.
Your old Deere is considered a floating deck because the gauge wheels do not control the height. Todays Deere deck wheels do not ride on the turf to control the cutting height. They are floating decks.
If you are replacing a 100 series a move up will be the 42 inch D125 or D130. The D140 gives you the larger 48 inch deck and a stronger transmission. The 46 inch XT1 and XT2 use the same transmission as the D140.
Even though the transmission problem with the 20391 is a perception problem more than an actual problem I’m not going to recommend it to you.
So far the Cub Cadet has been getting great reviews. People like the steering and how flat it cuts. If you have a good, local dealer it is a good choice.
The D140 has been around for quite a while now. That’s why it has such a diverse range of reviews. (there is always someone who doesn’t read the manual or uses 5 year old gas and then blames the tractor) If you have had good luck with your old Deere and you like the dealer you purchased it from don’t be afraid to go back and buy the D140.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Dan, If you want a Deere equivalent to the YTH22V46 you should move up to the D130 (D125 at Home Depot) You will enjoy the V-Twin engine.
Unless you do all your own maintenance and repair I always suggest buying new. The prices of lawn tractor is very cheap compared to most everything else you buy so $200-400 dollars more to buy new one is well worth it. Plus you get a defects warranty for 2 years. (a new transmission is $800 – a new engine is $100 a horse) You can easily get get $400 wrapped up in new belts, blades, air filter, oil filter, fixing/replacing a leaking tire and fixing the other reasons the owner is selling it.
By the way, if the 54 inch Husqvarna is a LGT2654 (anything with LGT on the hood) DON’T BUY IT! It has a transmission that is too small for the tractor.
Anna
Hi Paul, I’m trying to surprise my husband for Father’s Day by replacing his 2003, Murray 425600x8A lawn tractor with a new one. We have 1-2 acres of land on a mountain, we have many rock shelves either above the surface, or soon to be discovered, and we have some hills, but mainly flat a little uneven, and “field-like”. We also use the lawn mower to pull a cart with either wood, brush, or stone pieces. I was looking at the John Deer D140 V-Twin 48 in, or the Ariens A22vA46 in, or the Husqvarna YTH24V48 V-Twin Hydrostatic riding tractors, and I’m trying to catch Memorial Day sales. Any suggestions- Thanks
Paul Sikkema
Hi Anna, All 3 of those tractors are very even in reliability and performance. Any one will be a good choice.
Are you buying from THEHomeDepot or Lowes? If you are I would make sure you understand what you have to do if there is anything wrong with the tractor or you have a warranty issue later on.
If the process you have to go through for repair of the Husqvarna or Ariens seems a little convoluted then I would suggest the Deere. Your local Deere dealer can and will deal with any warranty problems it may have.
Anna
Wow! Thanks for such a quick response- it’s a big venture to buy your husband’s lawnmower without his input (:/) I was looking at Home Depot and Lowes, so repair will be my next question! By the way, we live on Signal Mtn in TN! Optimistic!
One last question- if it comes down to the presence or absence of an electric blade, is an electric blade a perk or a liability for a lawn mower?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Anna, The electric clutch is an upgrade. Over a 10 year life-span you will replace fewer engine to deck belts than you would with the mechanical blade lever. But if it does go bad it’s a $250-$300 repair. If I had to guess I would say 20 to 30% of them go bad over the life of a mower.
Anna
Very helpful. I told them about you at Lowes! Thank you for this great service you provide!
Paul Sikkema
@Anna, You are very welcome. Feel free to stop back if you have any questions or just to tell us about your new tractor and Lowes!
renee
Checked out the S240 and you were right, I love it! Dealer is stearing me to the Husqvarna YT46LS, says it’s more tractor for the money with a better trans and stronger cutting deck. Saginaw MO Thoughts?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Renee, According to the parts list the two transmissions are exactly the same.
The Husqvarna uses a TUFFTORQ K46CR and the John Deere X240 uses a K46DP. The CR means Husqvarna and the DP means John Deere when getting parts from TuffTorq.
Now, the dealer may be confused because Husqvarna.com shows the YT46LS as having a locking differential but the parts lists state otherwise. (I have a question into Husqvarna to verify who is correct)
In any case, you would only need the locking diff if you had problems in the past with traction on hills in your lawn. Otherwise the locking diff can be a pain to use.
The tractors themselves are about equal. One downside to the Husqvarna is it uses the quick-change blade system and there are a limited types of blades available for it. You will have to buy your mower blades from the Husqvarna dealer.
From a Consumer Reports point of view the cut quality of the two mowers was too close to call.
renee
Thank you for your guidance, this thread was very helpful. I went with the Deere S240. Coming off of a 14 year old Sabre, this is going to feel like a Cadillac. Looking forward to using it this weekend. I just hope the K46 doesn’t let me down, I hear more negative than positive about them.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Renee, the reason you hear more negative is the other 90% of the people who own them don’t write in when they work. Remember there are over 1,000,000 million of these transmissions installed in tractors EVERY year and you only read a couple of dozen or so posts where people complain. And some of those posts are 10 years old.
Please come back and let us know how you like the X240! How it cuts, how it drives, how it steers.
renee
Maiden voyage of the S240 today. Initial thoughts are quiet, powerful and comfy. Cut is even and clean, stearing is so easy you can do it with one pinky. It felt as if I was floating around the yard. I can’t say enough about this tractor, so glad I went with John Deere. I trust the brand, the dealers were knowledgeable and helpful and the 18.5 Kawasaki is just right. It is perfect for my acre lawn. Would recommend ☆☆☆☆☆
Paul Sikkema
Hi Renee, Thank you for letting us know about the John Deere S240. I’m really glad you found the best lawn tractor for you!
I went to take pictures of one today and my local dealer doesn’t even have one to look at.
Chris
Chris. Indianapolis,Indiana I mow about 8 residential yards a week all less than 1 acre each. What would be a dependable mower that will hold up to mowing this many yards. All are flat with few obstacles, and i am willing to use a ztr or tractor style just need a well built 46 inch mower without going into commercial grade unless you think i should. Don’t plan on using attachments other than bagger.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Chris, So you are mowing about 5-7 acres a week or about 3-5 hours of actual tractor time a week. A good quality lawn tractor like the Pro Series 24 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 46″ Turn Tight Extreme Riding Mower
is designed to mow about 2 hours a week and last about 8-10 years with proper maintenance.
So, You will need to price your lawns so that you are getting all your expenses paid and so that you can replace the tractor every 2 to 3 years. With a residential grade tractor or zero-turn you will have to sharpen the blades every other time you mow and buy new ones every month (about $45 every 4-5 mowings)
If you buy a $1500 lawn tractor you will have to replace it every year or so.
A commercial grade zero-turn mower in the 48 inch range will run about $5000 to $6000. You will have to sharpen blades every month and replace them twice a year. The commercial grade mower will last up to 5 times longer than the residential grade.
Alex
Dear Paul,
This is a fantastic site, so much so that I feel inadequate that I still need your assistance. We just bought a small farm, on which we have horse pastureland, ~2 acres of lawn and small gardens. We just installed a 22m x 40m sand horse riding area that has to be groomed. We need to have equipment that can mow up to 10degree slope (and collect the clippings) as well as drag groom the ring and tow bales of hay and manure. Our friend loaned us a 17hp Kubota which failed miserably. What model and attachments do you recommend?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Alex, The first question I have is are you just dragging it or are you using a groomer? Drag
Arena Rake 
If you are just using a drag a garden tractor like the 24HP 54″ Complete Start™ Turn Tight® Garden Tractor – Non CA
will work just fine.
But if you using a groomer a lawn/garden tractor will not have enough weight and traction to pull it. I actually recommend a UTV or ATV for the grooming the arena, Hauling hay and manure.
Then get a smaller lawn tractor like the Pro Series 24 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 46″ Turn Tight Extreme Riding Mower
to mow the lawn.
Natalie
Hi Paul! Great site with lots of info. I read your info and many of the scenarios others have written you about trying to find one applicable to me. Currently have a ford LT11 that came with our house. Mostly, though, we borrow my brother’s aging craftsman when he’s not using it. If it’s in use, then it’s a push mower for me. We have an acre with lots of trees around the perimeter, steep drainage ditches, native grass (read, it’s slightly bumpy). Was thinking of getting a new riding mower from the big box stores but don’t know where to begin and worry mowers might not be good. Durability is important, simplicity too (I have twin 8-year old boys) who should be taking over thus duty soon. Was hoping to stay around $1500, but a quick glance the other day led me to believe I’d be closer to $2000. I’m not sold on a big box (plus Sears), so I’m open and would like to hear what you suggest. Thank you for your time.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Natalie, The Craftsman 25081 ($1499) is the a great choice for your property but it sounds to me like you will be better off going to a local dealer to get a Husqvarna, John Deere of Cub Cadet model that will do about the same.
So let’s use the 25081 as a comparison model for you. Please go here and read the entire review. This will give you a little more terminology and features information so when you go to a dealer you can make an informed choice: 25081 review. If you want more information also read this article: I Want A Riding Mower/Zero Turn But I Don’t Know Where To Start!
You will end up paying a few hundred more for the dealer support but since this is your first mower it will be worth it. You can look in the yellow pages or go to deere.com, cubcadet.com and Husqvarna.com and use the dealer locator to find a good local dealer. Visit a couple of dealers and get a feel for the “trust” level. It’s really more important about how you feel about the dealer than the mower itself.
Some comparable models:
John Deere D125, D130
Cub Cadet XT1 LT42, XT1 LT46, XT2 LX42, XT2 LX46
Husqvarna YTH22V42, TYH22V46 (all YTH models)
Feel free to ask any other questions.
By the way, I am very safety oriented and I really suggest you don’t let the boys mow until they are 12-14 years old.
Jason
Paul, as with everyone else, thank you for your time and dedication to this informative Website. I currently have a John Deere LA150 54″ that my Dad gave me a few years back. Its always done a good job cutting our grass, and sometimes my wife like to snow plow our short drive way in the winter, and sometime we will haul dirt and wood in a pull behind cart. But now the transmission appears to be going out and the actual cutting is not looking so good despite having new blades – so I’m in the market for a new mower and could use your advice. My yard is about 1 to1.5 acre, primarily all on a gradual slope with some areas having a little steeper slopes, lots of obstacles (and my wife keeps adding more for some reason), and very bumpy and rough for the most part. The obstacles tend to be a challenge as I have to make some tight turns on some of the sloped areas which I spin out on at times (got chains on the rear tires that helps). I have included some pics of the yard here even though it may be hard to tell the actual slope degree from the pics:
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I’m thinking of a craftsman pro (like the idea of tight turning, at least in theory), or a Husqvarna. What would you recommend, and do I need something with differential lock to help on the slopes, or possibly some rubber chains? Not sure I fully understand how beneficial this feature would be.
Thank you!
Jason
Just a few more pics in case they might help:
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Paul Sikkema
Hi Jason, Sorry this took so long. I am finally getting caught up on answering questions.
What you have now is basically todays John Deere D170. It’s a good flat land mower.
The Craftsman Pro 54 inch will have a stronger transmission and tighter turning so you will be able to get done is the same amount of time or less.
Chains tear up your yard and the Terragrips are better. Many guys will first add fluid in the rear tires. If you fill the rear tire 3/4 full with windshield washer fluid (it’s cheap and won’t freeze) you can add about 27 lbs per tire. This will help a lot. Then if that’s not enough add a rear weight. Rear Weight Kit.
Only then add chains or Terragrips.
Here’s is the mower I talking about: Pro Series 26 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 54″ Turn Tight Extreme Garden Tractor
There will be a snow blade available for it later this year.
Jonathan
Hey Paul, great site. It’s been a lot of help already. One question, if you have the time: We have about an acre to mow, and about halfway back there’s a hill that definitely exceeds the recommended 15% grade for the mowers at home depot. It’s not steep for long (maybe 15 feet or so), most of the back is just a gentle slope but there are some trees and planters to maneuver around back there. Got a good recommendation for our lot? I saw you recommened a Husqvarna articulated mower for hills, but I don’t see the model number there. By the way, I’m in Snohomish, WA. Thanks!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Jonathan, can you get around the hill so you can mow down it? In other words – circle around to the top, mow down and then circle back to the top – repeat. If you can’t you may just have to mow that section with a rear-wheel drive walk-behind mower.
The rest of the lawn can be mowed with a good 42 or 46 inch lawn tractor. In the top right hand corner of this page there is a search box. Search 20390 or 20442 to get started.
Jonathan
One side of the hill is about half as steep, I could probably go up that side and come down the other. I’ve seen the Husqvarna R 322T AWD recommended for mowing (reasonable) hills, do you have any thoughts on that mower? Those Craftsman mowers you recommended look nice, I’ll check them out next time I’m at Sears. Thanks again!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Jonathan, Yes, I ignored your question before about the R 322T. Yes, it does great on hills. I want one myself. I’ve had one on an 18 degree hills and it was as nibble as a mountain goat.
But most Husqvarna dealers have never heard of them. They only carry the tractors and zero-turns. They are expensive ($5299)
Jonathan
Thanks, I’ll see if I can find one nearby to look at. If I end up getting it, I’ll let you know how it does.
John Schroeder
John, Downingtown, PA.
Jonathan… I too have a large chunk of my backyard with a slope well in excess of 15%. I purchased the 322AWD late last year at Paul’s recommendation. It is a pricey machine and I did have trouble finding one since none of the local dealers carry it. I am a little apprehensive of what I will find when I need repairs of the drive train but the engine and deck are standard Husqy.. It is a mountain goat on the hill, going UP and DOWN. I doubt there is a tractor made that is truly safe going across the grade and this machine is no different. Still, it cut mowing time by 1/3 because I no longer have to circle around to the top and slide (yes I said slide) back down again. My own detailed observations are here on Paul’s site somewhere. I have not regretted this purchase. Even my wife endorses it on safety grounds. .
Jonathan
John, thanks for the info. Glad to hear it works well for you, it sounds like it will work well for me too. I guess the next task is to find one nearby to look at. Did you buy yours online somewhere or did you get a local dealer to order you one?
Paul Sikkema
@Johnathon, The R 322T is available through Mower Direct. Let them know I sent you when you talk to them. For you I think the 48 inch side discharge deck will be the best choice.
Jonathan
Thanks for the link, I’ll check it out. What are the tradeoffs between the side discharge and the combi deck that make you recommend the side discharge, just the bigger size? Do you know how well it works for mulching? Thanks for all the answers, they’ve been really helpful.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Jonathon, I don’t recommend the combi deck for most people. It is a European deck. It mulches really well but the cut height is limited to about 2.5 inches and that is too low for Bluegrass/fescue lawns.
The 48 inch deck will go to 4 inches. You can get a mulch kit for it also.
Brian
Hey Paul,
Great site with a lot of useful information. I wish I had found it sooner to save myself the time of trying to compare mowers on my own. I live in Grayslake IL and have an acre that’s mostly flat with some small hills and a few obstacles. Before finding this site yesterday I was deciding between the CC XT2 46 either with Kohler or Kawasaki engine. I was leaning towards the Kawasaki as they are the same price right now at my dealer. Any thoughts on the difference between them? However, your positive review on the Craftstman Pro 46″ now has me in a dilemma. I hadn’t considered Craftsman because of the reliability issues I’ve always heard about but I do like the small turning radius it has. The Craftsman is about $300 more can you tell me if the turning radius would be worth the extra cash or are there other reasons I should go for it?? Thanks for any help you can give me.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Bran, I’m sorry for taking so long. I’m finally getting caught up.
Besides the 5 inch Turn-Tight Extreme a big advantage of Sears is the repair tech always comes to you home to work on your tractor. You never have to take it anywhere.
The engine on the Craftsman Pro is has a better filtration system than the standard Kohler 7000 on the XT2 Kohler. The dealers will try to tell you the Kawasaki is better, but this new Kohler is quickly becoming the engine of choice.
Brian
Hello Paul,
After reading through all the comments for hours I am still a little confused as to which mower I should get. I am in Greeneville, TN and have about 3.5-7 acres to mow. By that I mean I am only mowing 3.5 at the moment but will probably eventually be mowing the remaining. Time isn’t an issue as my dad also lives on the property so we would probably rotate mowing. The property goes on a slight hill and is somewhat bumpy. I am looking to stay away from craftsman being that I just had a tractor fire with a yts3500 and their customer service has been nothing more then terrible. I may use a pull behind cart in the future but I wont be doing any tilling or snow blowing. I am looking to spend around $2300 give or take. What do you recommend? Thanks
Paul Sikkema
Hi Brain, $2300 will get you a lawn tractor like the
John Deere Lawn Mowers D155 48 in. 24 HP ELS Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower BG20842
Poulan PRO Lawn Mowers PB22VA48 48 in. 22-HP Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine Lawn Tractor 960420171
Cub Cadet Lawn Mowers XT1 Enduro Series LT 50 in. 24 HP V-Twin Kohler Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower – California Compliant LT50 CARB
With tractors this size it will take you about 3 hours to mow the 3.5 acres.
I listed these three mowers because they are good machines for the price and will do the job. There are a few lawn tractors with a larger 54 inch deck in this price range but I want to caution you that the larger deck models may not mow the bumpy areas very well. If you wanted to go to a larger deck you would have to move up to a $2800-3000 Garden Tractor to get the larger wheels and stronger transmissions that would handle the bumpy lawn without scalping the heck out of it.
Jeff
Hello Paul. Thank you for the work that you put into this site. I live in Tulsa OK. I have approx. 3/4 acre flat, slightly bumpy and often wet-from-rain mowing area. I have been looking for about a month now and have settled on either a Craftsman Pro Series 46″ 24hp or a JD D140 or 160. . I’m leaning toward the craftsman. Is there any reason I should go with John Deere instead.
Thanks again!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Jeff, Unless you have to have green paint the answer is no. The Craftsman Pro and the JD 160 have the same transmission. The Craftsman’s engine is one of the best (Kohler 7000 Elite) The JD 140 has a weaker transmission.
Consumer Reports really likes the cut of the Craftsman Pro 46.
marc
Paul,
You have an amazing website here. I was having a very hard time picking a mower until i came here. You deserve a lot of credit for your reviews and research.
I am down to 2 options. The craftsman 20442 or 20444.
I like the idea of saving time with the extra hp and larger cut on the 20444.
Do you think the build quality and reliability is the same on both? Are there any other differences between the 2 models?
Thanks, Marc
Paul Sikkema
Hi marc, The build quality is the same BUT I want to qualify you for the 20444. Reliability I’ll discuss.
The 20444 is good for smooth lawns. Because it uses the 20 inch lawn tractor tires it may not have good traction on rough lawns. Because it has the 20 inch tires it may not mow as high as the 46 or the 54 inch garden tractor.
Reliability, The 20444 has a lawn tractor transmission. This transmission has a great reputation in a 42 or 46 inch lawn tractor. But, when you push it too hard – for example put it in a tractor with a 48-54 inch deck or use it on hills, or put 22 inch rear tires on the tractor it does not hold up as well. The LGT2654, D160 and D170 lawn tractor use this transmission and many people complain it doesn’t last.
By the way a 54 inch lawn tractor will save you about 7 minutes per acre. So if you have a 2 acre lawn a 54 inch will only save you about 15 minutes over a 46.
marc
Exactly the response I needed. Thank you very much for your expertise.
Kris, WV
I see you are BIG Craftsman guy. I was looking at a Husqvarna garden tractor and was wondering which one you would recommend…Or if you would still recommend the Craftsman. We have about 2-3 Acres to mow. Most is decently flat. A little bumpy but nothing bad. We currently mow with a John Deere D110 I think. Its a 42″ cut. 17Hp hydrostatic trans from Lowes. It does fine now, but when we bought it, we only had 1/2 acre to mow. We need something bigger. Apart from our actual yard, we have about 2 acres of hillside that I currently mow with a Swisher pull behind mower. I would like this mower to be able to mow some of that as well if possible. For that, I know I want at least 22-24hp and a 54″ deck. Recommendations? Craftsman 5500? 6000? What Husky would you recommend? Flex frame? Thanks!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Kris, Trust me, I’m big – but not a big Craftsman guy. It’s just that I am trying to help people to find the best lawn tractor or zero-turn for them. And that includes not just the item but the parts, service and being able to fit the lifestyle of your family. In today’s market we expect to be able to pick up the phone or go to a website and get service, parts or answers 24/7. We don’t want to wait until Monday-Friday 9-5 and Saturdays 9-noon. Sears is still one of the few companies that get’s that. That said,
Have you considered a Toro Steering wheel zero-turn? The Toro Lawn Mowers TimeCutter SWX5050 50 in. Fab 24.5 HP V-Twin Zero-Turn Riding Mower with Smart Park 74797C
has a wider stance than the garden tractors so it will hang on a hill better. It has a heavy duty fabricated deck that cuts your lawn well, but can also handle the rougher areas you now mow with the Swisher. If you go to a local dealer they may also have the ExMark QSS708GEM50200. It’s the same mower.
Because you want to mow the hill and rougher ground I’m very limited in suggesting Garden Tractors. Both of the models I am going to show you have fabricated decks and electronic traction control.
Both of these are dealer only models.
XT2 GX54″ with Fabricated Deck Garden Tractor
54″ heavy-duty fabricated, triple-blade cutting deck
K58 Tuff Torq hydrostatic transmission with enhanced automatic traction control for smooth operation
Ground-engaging attachment capabilities
Price: $3,299.99
Husqvarna GT52XLSi
54″ heavy-duty fabricated, triple-blade cutting deck
K66 Tuff Torq hydrostatic transmission with enhanced automatic traction control for smooth operation
Ground-engaging attachment capabilities
Price: $3,499.99
Kris
Thanks Paul.
I have nothing against the Craftsman line. I was just under the impression that I would probably need a dealer only model Husky or John Deere or similar. I had actually been looking at the GT52XLSi recently. I want the tractor mostly for mowing my regular yard. If it could handle the hillside, that would be a huge plus. What is the difference in the XLS model and the XLSi? They also have a 54″ LS model I was looking at as well.
You say Garden Tractor might not be the best bet for me? You thinking something more along the lines of a Kubota or something similar?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Kris, When you go to husqvarna.com and use the comparison tool to look at the 3 tractors it’s really not clear why I picked that model but I mainly picked the XLSi because the heavy-duty transmission has traction control. (You have to go to the parts lists to figure it out) Since you eventually want to mow the hill, traction control is a great feature to have. The XLS does not have traction control.
I didn’t pick the GT54LS because I don’t know how well the 54 inch fabricated deck cuts. The owners of the 52 inch fabricated deck that is on the XLSi really like the way that deck cuts and mulches.
All the other Garden Tractors do not have traction control – that’s why I did not suggest them. The Toro Steering wheel ZTR uses both rear wheels so it also really does well on hills. That and the other two I mentioned are about the only ones that will mow your lawn and go out and mow the hill. For the extra $300 or so you will spend on the Cub Cadet or Husqvarna’s you might as well get what you need now.
Kris, WV
Paul,
My wife really likes the new faster mowers. The ones that go 7-8mph. I see the 52XLS does that. What do you think of that one for me instead of the XLSi.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Kris, The new fast mowers just buzz around the yard, over to the neighbors and down to the local bar faster. They DO NOT cut any faster. They still only cut around 4 mph well.
You can always make her one of these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnZK5nSyOS4
Worlds fastest John Deere
Phil Eaton
Hello Paul –
What an incredible site! It’s actually useful and certainly has helped this first time buyer to start asking the right questions. I have about 2 acres of hilly (some quite steep) and uneven turf to mow. There are also lots of large trees and bushes. I want to use side discharge/mulching — not interested in bagging — too much lugging for a 79 year old professor. I’ve been considering the Cub Cadet LX46″ XT2 with fabricated deck and auto rear differential from the local dealer (well-recommended), but after reading your comments I’m concerned its rigid frame may not be able to handle my much-less-than-smooth up and down terrain. Must I go instead with a flexible frame model? Whose?
With thanks in advance for your help (and your time – with which you’re certainly).
Phil
LaPorte, Indiana 46350
Paul Sikkema
Hi Phil, Hmm, I don’t ever remember seeing a hill in LaPorte and I’ve been through there hundreds of times over the years.
Husqvarna has three dealer models with traction control. The best one is the GT48XLSi. It has a trans much heavier than the Cub Cadet (K66 verses the K46 in the Cub) the flex frame and a heavy fabricated deck.
If you don’t need quite that much tractor the Husqvarna YT48XLS and YT46LS both have good transmissions comparable engines and the flex frame.
Keep asking, I’ll keep answering.
Phil Eaton
Hi Paul-
Thanks for your quick and useful answer.
My area of Laporte is located just where the last glacier stopped. It’s actually at the high point of Indiana — all of ~950 feet above sea level.
I wish I could afford the AWD GT48XLSi, but can’t. I sort of wonder about “flex-frame” – the site gives little detail. Does this just mean the whole deck tips up and down to try to stay level – If so, I would think this could work wonders on certain uneven terrain, but would suffer the same problems as the fixed frame models on other bumpy terrain — just depends of the size and position of the bumps. I can’t believe the blades tip relative to one another.
How would you compare the Cub Cadet LX46″ with differential trans. or the LX 46″ without to the Craftsmen 20401 on dealing with 40° slopes. I like dealing with Sears and feel good about this Craftsmen, but the slope business troubles me. However, I should comment that this slope has been mowed for years by local “professionals” using fairly old & ordinary machines apparently without problem.
Where does the Husqvarna YT46LX fit with in comparison to the above?
Thanks,
Phil
Laporte, Indiana
Paul Sikkema
Hi Phil, It really doesn’t mean the deck tips, it’s more the frame of the tractor will flex more giving you a little more traction on rough ground.
In reality, none of these tractors will handle a 40 degree slope. In fact, all of the manufactures only rate the tractors for 15 degree slopes.
Are you sure you have a 40 degree slope. Most people can’t even walk up something that steep even with spiked shoes. Here is a slope indicator.
Phil Eaton
Hi Paul –
Thanks. You’re probably right that I have over- estimated the slope, but nonetheless it is fairly steep. After much reading of your replies to others and much thought, now is the time to make a decision. I’m down to the these choices:
1. Craftsmen 48″ 20401 $2600
2. Craftsmen new Pro 46″ 20442 $2200
3. Craftsmen 48″ 20391 ~ $2200 (reverse bad?)
4. Cub Cadet XT2 LX 46″ with traction ~ $2500
I like & trust the Sears protection plans, but the Cub Cadet dealer is nearby and makes nice promises.
Your opinion? It’s really up to you. I trust your judgement. If at all possible, I would appreciate a quick response. I want to get this done with hopefully this weekend so I can get on with life.
Thanks again,
Phil
Paul Sikkema
Hi Phil, You do get an extra year of a defects warranty with the Cub Cadet. Of it doesn’t cover the wear and tear the Sears Protection Plan covers. That said, the traction control may be your best option. It will go up the hill better than the other 3. If you decide to go with the a Craftsman I am going to suggest the Pro 46. It doesn’t have the traction control but it does have the new Kohler 7000 with the high capacity filter and the 5 inch Extreme Turn-Tight Steering.
Phil Eaton
Thanks Paul for taking the time to answer my request — very generous of you particularly on a Saturday evening. I promise not to bother you on Sunday, but I do wish I understood why traction control helps going up a hill — I understand it for alleviating skids as in my car, but if one mower wheel is spinning on the hill and gouging it, then I would think the best thing to do is back off and go home for a drink.
Have a great weekend.
Thanks again,
Phil
Paul Sikkema
Hi Phil, Trust me, I take time off when I want to. So asking a question on Sunday is fine.
With traction control you basically get twice the traction of the other tractor that just have differential. If the rear wheels start to slip it automatically puts more power to the wheel that is not slipping. What that means is it won’t tear up your hill nearly as quick as a tractor with a standard transmission.
Traction control a new to this price point of tractors so in the past we have used chains or Terra Grips to give us the best traction.
Phil Eaton
Hi Paul –
I’ll pick the Craftsmen Pro 20442 as you recommended, but with some trepidation given its newness on the market. I dropped the Cub Cadet as I now have some doubts about the local dealer’s straightforwardness. I had a very hard time dropping the Craftsmen 20401 – the big tires seem to me a great advantage & it is a well-proven model that everyone (you too?) appears to really like.
Any last minutes on your part?
Thanks and best regards,
Phil
Paul Sikkema
Hi Phil, I am not concerned with the “newness” of the Pro. Craftsman and the manufacture have been working on this for over 3 years. In reality this is a standardized chassis that is being used in over 20 different models of tractors and I have been watching the reviews for all of them to see if there are any “problems”
There are none! In fact the only negative reviews I have seen have been for the wrong product review getting posted to these models. They really like the steering and the way it mows.
James
Hi, my mom cuts about 2 acres, a lot of going around tree and things. It takes a day to cut the grass. About 3 hours with a John Deer STX 38 black deck (still mint condition paid $2700 Cnd in 97′) another 3 hours with a John Deer 14 SB walk behind mower (paid $1200 in 91′, the 4.5 hp Kawi can still cut the hay field – 4′ tall grass with ease is 1st gear, very good on fuel) which I use, my mom uses the John Deere 14 PZ (paid $450 in 97′, the handle is shit, burns more gas than my 454 and it has no power, replaced the engine three times with a new one – $180 a pop).
The 14 SB is very heavy and is hard to pull backwards especially up hill, it’s ok when the bag is empty, but when full it is difficult, The 14 PZ is much easier to pull backwards, but it is a piece of crap, not just the engine the entire machine – it has a wonderful lighter, black flexible handle. The 14 SB has a solid heavy chrome handle – no flexing or twisting.
My uncle has a few Craftsman’s walk behind – junk, 8 hp with 0 torque and burn a gallon of gas in 20 min.. My neighbors all bought Sears Craftsman lawn tractors – had to buy new ones after 2 years – all of them. We had Lawn boy earlier but they never worked (around $400 back in the early/late 70’s). Did try Canadiana (about $150), lasted about a month before the deck failed. My sister uses Toro walk behind, their ok,lighter than the 14 SB but no comparison.
That’s just my own experience with the stuff.
My mom is tired of spending an entire day cutting her lawn. What could we buy to reduce that time to like 2 hours. Going around trees and gardens (about 2 acres) some steep hills along the ditch (3′). I was thinking about a zero turn or maybe one of those 60″ – 72″ lawn mowers that you walk behind – the STX 38 can only cut good up to 3 mph so I don’t know, it is a 38″ cut but the actual cut is less than the width of the tires. You have to over lap on one side – basically the width of a front tire so the cut is no where near 38″….your thoughts?
Ontario, Canada
Paul Sikkema
@James, 2 acres is an awful lot for a 38 inch mower. If you want a zero-turn that will last homedepot.ca has the Zoom XL 48 Inch 23 HP Kohler Courage V-Twin Zero-Turn Riding Mower
otherwise I suggest going to your local John Deere dealer and looking at the 400 series zero-turns.
Kenny
Hi Paul, sorry one more question just to clarify: would you recommend the 25081 over the 25083 due to the engine/deck issue? The reason I ask is because the 25083 is only $50 more right now ($1549). Thanks again!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Kenny, the only difference between the 25081 and 25083 is the deck. I haven’t had anyone state that the new 25083 has the old deck/engine vibration issue so I’m hoping it’s fixed. I’d say try it. You have 30 days to change your mind and replace it with the 25081 if it is not the right one for you.
By the way if you do buy one read this pdf before they deliver it. The delivery guys don’t always know how to get it to freewheel. Craftsman Bypass
Here is a link to the mower: 19HP 46 in. Turn Tight® Automatic Riding Mower
Kenny
Hi, I was wondering if you could help me make a decision. I have a half acre lot, about a third of it is flat, the rest is moderately-steeply sloped. Takes well over 2 hours to cut with a push mower, so looking for a riding mower that will last a long time and isn’t too expensive (hopefully $1000-1500). I’ve been looking at a lot of your reviews and you seem to say good things about Craftsman and Poulan, but can’t decide on a model. I also found a Craftsman 20383 on clearance locally for $1329, but your review of that model wasn’t very positive. I’m not worried about fancy features, just want something that will last many years on my steep yard. I’m capable of doing my own routine maintenance, so that’s not an issue. Thanks so much for your input! Kenny, Cincinnati OH
Paul Sikkema
Hi Kenny, The 20383 has been replaced by the 25083. It fixed the transmission but I have not heard that the engine/deck harmonics has been fixed.
So, instead I would like to recommend the 25081. It has all the features, good engine, good transmission, Turn-Tight steering but a slightly smaller 42 inch deck.
The current/typical price is $1499. But if you buy it through the link below you can get an additional 5% off ($75) and free delivery ($79). That gets you a great dependable lawn tractor below you $1500 limit.
19HP 42 in. Turn Tight® Automatic Riding Mower
Kenny
Great, thanks so much for the quick reply!
Cathy B.
My other question, would you rule out a zero turn given our property description? People keep telling us to lean that way, but I feel a zero turn wouldn’t be capable of pulling roller/cart and would get stuck in the mud more so then the tractor.
Thanks again!!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Cathy, People like Zero-turns. They are fun and the commercial models will cut grass up to 11 mph. You are correct, ZTR’s in “our” price range are not strong enough to pull a roller. And you are right, they get stuck on a tablespoon of mud.
Cathy B.
Hi Paul,
I need your help! We bought a Cub Cadet LTX1050 KW 2-3 years ago to mow 2.5 acres. Loved the mower till it started eating deck belts. We bought it at a local dealer (Indiana) so we could get it serviced. I have had it with this mower and after realizing this is a constant problem with this line I’m looking to upgrade.
We now have 3.5 acres which includes lake front and a ditch. I have pulled the CC out of the ditch and lake bank too many times to count with it getting stuck in the mud. We also have numerous trees. The ground is fairly level. Rough in areas. We use the mower around the property pulling a cart, roller, etc.
I’m looking for something reliable, dealer support, and hopefully long lasting with no trouble. Do you have any recommendations? I am currently looking at the JD X500 with the 54in deck. I’m hoping it would help cut down on mowing time, be reliable and mow well. We are also looking at using it for snow removal.
Is this a good option or is there anything else cheaper that is available meeting our needs? $6000 for a mower is a bit much but I don’t see anything else that is comparable. At this point I feel as though getting rid of the CC is our best option if we are going to continue to see the belts break. At $50 a pop and several times a season will add up quickly.
Thanks!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Cathy, Cub Cadet has rebuilt their entire line of tractors for 2015. I don’t expect the new mowers to have the problems of the LTX models. Take a look at the larger XT2 GX54″ with Fabricated Deck Garden Tractor at your dealer. It has larger tires, a heavy duty deck and the best feature for you, traction control.
With traction control when one rear tire begins to slip power is transferred over to the other wheel. You will get stuck a lot less.
It’s half the price of the X500.
Mike J.
Hello Paul,
You seem to be “the” guy for those of us seeking info on the vast field of mowing/working tractors available in today’s market. Thanks for your time sharing all your knowledge.
I’m looking at either the Craftsman G5500 or the Pro Elite 26 54 tractor.
From what I gather the G5500 is a real workhorse with the heavy duty K57
transmission. The new Pro 26 HP 54″ cut has the newer G58 transmission,
how do the two compare? Supposedly, the Pro Elite now has a ground attachment rating, can I count on it to do what the G5500 can do?
I could really use your help. Thanks.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Mike, Sorry, I’m getting a little behind in answering comments. Did I get your questions answered in the other comment?
Mike J.
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I know you must be pretty swamped with so many of us needing your expertise. Much thanks. I did not see your previous reply, sorry. Based on information that I was able to find
from your postings it sounds like the 20445 will do what I need from a
garden tractor. Thanks. Keep up the great work.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Mike, Yes, it got really busy over the weekend. On top of that we have had new flooring ordered for the office for four months and this week they finally want to install it! It wouldn’t have been a problem in Feb.
I’m not whining…
Danny Harris
Paul,
Just wondering if you have had a chance to review the Cub Cadet XT1 Enduro Series LT 42 in. yet?
I really like the looks of this mower and have read many good things so far. Would you mind giving me your thoughts on this mower.
Thank you,
Danny Harris
Paul Sikkema
Danny, I did go through the XT1 line here: Cub Cadet Lawn Tractors – 14 Tractors – One Chassis To Rule Them All! but I did not got through the 42 inch specifically.
The XT1 LT42 is the base mower for the new Cub Cadet line. It uses a really good cutting deck. The frame/tranny etc is the same as the rest of the line. The single cylinder Kohler Courage has a long history of being a dependable engine and has less vibration than other single cylinder engines.
It you are mowing about an acre or less I feel this one of the better deals for a 42 inch mower. Cub Cadet Lawn Mowers XT1 Enduro Series LT 42 in. 18 HP Kohler Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower LT42
Brian
I’m going to try this again, because my question seems to be stuck in moderation land for the last few days… so if you get two of these messages, my apologies.
Hi Paul,
I want to first thank you for your professional expertise on this wonderful website. Selecting the right riding mower can be a daunting task with how many manufacturers and models there are. I have been looking at various reviews on a number of sites for different riding mowers. I currently have a hilly lawn in a new development. It only is about an acre of land, but there are some bumps, hills and valleys because there is a lot of ledge under the lawn. I am also looking to move in a year or two to a 2-6 acre lot, so I am trying to be as forward-thinking as possible. I am 5′ 10″, and I’m looking for a versatile riding mower that is durable, powerful, comfortable, and most importantly; reliable. Because I don’t want to have buyer’s remorse for lack of capability, I was thinking a true garden tractor may be the right move for me. I’ve looked at primarily the John Deere X300 (not a garden tractor, correct?) and X500 series, Kubota, the Simplicities, the Husqvarna “Garden Tractors”, and the Cub Cadet XT2 and XT3. I’ve read about the various engines and transmissions, and how many prefer the kawasaki engines over the B&S and Kohler. But I have also heard good things about B&S Pro and Elites, as well as the Kohler Command Pro. I’ve also read that if it has a K46 or less transmission that it’s not a true “garden tractor.”
I have a decent size budget around $5K, and was wondering what is the best riding mower for my current and future situation?
Would it be better to buy an Deere X500 series with low miles than some of these other options? I am somewhat hesitant to look at Craftsman due to the uncertainty of Sears’ future.
I guess my question is really, If you were me, what would you buy for:
1. $5,000+ Budget (i.e. money was no object)?
2. Under $5,000 Budget?
3. Under $3,000 Budget?
I currently do not have many trees, but do have some professional landscaping.
Thank you in advance for your input and your dedication to this website.
Dudley Massachusetts
Brian
Paul Sikkema
Hi Brian, Yes, it is getting to the point that I can’t keep up. I’m sorry you had to wait so long. I applaud you for reading and digesting so much of what I’ve written.
I’m actually not worried about Craftsman at all. Even if they close the full-line stores there are 1200 independently owned Hometown stores. Craftsman itself, Sears Parts and Sears repair services are all separate companies (making money)
Under 3K. Craftsman G5500, Poulan Pro garden tractors.
Under 5K. Craftsman Pro, Cub Cadet XT2. I haven’t seen a XT3 but I hear it will give the X500 a run for the money.
Kawasaki FR is no better than the Kohler 7000 or Briggs Intek Plus/ELS. The Kaw FS is a good commercial engine in addition to the others you mentioned.
Over 5K. One brand you missed is the Simplicity. The Conquest and Prestige are very competitive with the X500 Deere. They are a strong, dependable tractor. If you want the best possible cut the ground hugging decks on these will mow right over your humps and bumps without scalping. You can sometimes find these used at a lot better price than the Deere. Don’t get me wrong, I’d take a X500 in a heartbeat but I’d have to think twice if I could get a Prestige in the same condition for 2000 less.
Brian
Hi Paul,
Thank you for the information and professional opinion. I did look at Simplicity. In my area of the states, used simplicities are hard the find and I don’t see the savings in comparison to the X500 around here (they’re actually more expensive.) I love the idea of the floating deck and striping, but the brand’s reliability seems suspect at best. Simplicity is rated one of the worst for reliability in Consumer Reports. While the Deere X500 would be my first choice, I just can’t justify the coin in my head. As a result, the Craftsman Pro 20445 (craftsman’s brand reliability is average per CR), the Cub Cadet XT2 GX54 (cub cadet’s brand reliability is below average per CR), and the Deere X320 (above average brand reliability per CR) are on my short list. My concern is the K58 transmissions. Is a K58 transmission really capable of garden tractor work? I’m also concern about the limited amount of reviews for the 20445 being either 5 stars or 1 star, and not much in between. What is your opinion of the Husqvarna GT52XLS with the kawasaki engine for $3299? This tractor seems to be well reviewed, comparable to the other models, and maybe a little more heavy duty. Thoughts? How would you rank these 4 options on reliability and capability:
Craftsman Pro 20445:
Cub Cadet XT2 GX54:
John Deere X320:
Husqvarna GT52XLS:
Thanks again for you input and advice!
Brian
Dudley, MA
Paul Sikkema
Hi Brian, The 20445 doesn’t have many reviews because the mower is just now getting on the lawns. (The first ones were delivered the 3rd week in April) The XT2 is in the same boat.
The Craftsman, Cub Cadet and X320 all use the K58 Trans. The Husqvarna uses the G730 that is also found in the red Craftsman 20403 garden tractor.
The Craftsman gets the best rating from Consumer Reports for side discharge, mulching and bagging of all the 48 and 54 inch decks they have rated. They have never rated the 54 inch cub cadet fabricated, the X320 54 inch or the Husqvarna 52 inch fab decks. I have had a few people complain about the cut quality of the Husqvarna 52 inch. If you are looking for a great looking lawn this is not the deck for you.
I still haven’t figured out why Deere wants to charge $1200-$1400 more for this tractor than the others with the same quality engine, transmission and deck…..Maybe that’s why they are coming out with a more realistic priced “dealer only” tractor this year – the X240
The Husqvarna uses a flex frame where the other three use a stiff frame. That’s why people state the hood twists and sometimes pops up. The stiff framed tractors mow more evenly and scalp/gouge less but they don’t have quite as good of traction on rough lawns.
Since you read Consumer Reports you know which one they liked the best. Personally I don’t take a lot of stock in reliability ratings for two reasons. First, these ratings are only from people who filled out the CR survey and it does not differentiate the model/year of when people had issues with a brand. In other words it’s an opinion based on a multiple choice form not hard data on repairs/defects. Second, both the Craftsman and Cub Cadet are completely new designs for 2015.
The following statement comes from my Cub Cadet review and it also goes for the new Craftsman Pro Series “Cub Cadet has gotten a tarnished reputation in the last 10 years for building lawn tractors that have problems right from the start. Because of that opinion one review organization has decided that Cub Cadet as a brand is one of the most repair prone. The XT Enduro Series is completely redesigned and will not suffer the “sins” of the past engineers. If you now have a negative opinion of Cub Cadet – GET OVER IT!”
Brian
Hi Paul,
Thanks for the prompt and thoughtful response. To confirm for those who do not have CR subscriptions, the Craftsman Pro 20445 was the winner in the wide deck category and the 20442 tied for first with the Deere X300 in the standard deck size. Both Craftsman are recommended by the editors and the 20442 was awarded “Best Buy”. This only further substantiates Paul’s “lawn cred” and why so many of us come to this great site to get his advice.
So it’s between the 20445 and the XT2 GX54 for me. And I’m leaning towards the Craftsman. Both are pretty much the same price and almost identical specs. Am I correct in I’m pretty much deciding here between craftsman’s tight turning and front axle vs the cadet’s traction control? Stamped vs fabricated – which I believe I read fab caves in easier on collision because there is no rolled edge?
Or is the decision really more about choosing between black&yellow vs yellow&black? Lol!
Thanks for everything!
Brian
Dudley, MA
Paul Sikkema
Hi Brian, You are on the right track. Typically, a stamped deck cuts better than a fabricated deck. This is especially true with Husqvarna decks but we don’t know for sure with the MTD decks yet.
The XT2 is a dealer only mower and if you have a good local dealer that can be a real advantage, especially if you are new to lawn tractors and the dealer is willing to really teach you all about it. (Operation, quirks and doing the maintenance yourself)
The Craftsman has the big advantage of in-home service. You never take your tractor anywhere. The tech always comes to your home to fix or maintain your tractor. This save from hauling it yourself or paying someone to get it to the dealer if it needs repair or maintenance. If you don’t know how to work on your mower or don’t want to Sears offers the Protection Plan. On the 20445, for about $14 dollars a month just about everything is covered for 5 years. The only things you are responsible for are mower blades, oil and filters. (of course it doesn’t cover garage fires and hurricanes) So wear and tear items like belts, tires, battery, cracked seat, bearings, etc. that is not covered under a defects warranty are all included. All trip charges to your home are covered.
Cliff Witham
Paul, I live in upstate NY, my older simplicity zero turn just died, I am looking at options, as I am on a very tight budget. My yard is huge, probably at least 3 acres. Minimal grade, but far from being flat. I have a lot of dips and dives in the yard, as it is very rural and agricultural. The zero turn I had was an older one with a 46″ deck, and was not all that speedy, or that good of a cut. I am looking to purchase a conventional lawn tractor, with at least a 48″ deck. I have never been a big fan of Briggs & Stratton, but I understand from your posts some of their higher end motors are pretty good. I have had good luck with Kohler in the past, but willing to listen to suggestions. Based on what I have read here, I am hesitant to get something with the lighter transmissions, if the deck is larger. I do not want to buy the cheapest thing I can find and have it worn out in 2 years, but I am also limited to about $2000. Based on what I was reading, I am wondering your thoughts about the John Deere D140, or something from Craftsman? I had looked at a Husquvarna 26hp 54″ the other day, but coming in at $2500, I just can not swing it, and now I am concerned about the transmission in it as well. Any advice is appreciated.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Cliff, Start with the Craftsman 20393. $2199. Great engine (it’s a Kohler!) strong transmission (stronger than the trans in the D140 and the new Cub Cadets) 54 inch deck (it cuts well, but some owners complain the deck will only go up to 3 1/2 inches) You can see it here: 22HP 54” Kohler Powered Turn Tight Riding Mower – Non CA
Same tractor with free shipping to your home. This one is Black and Yellow and has the older Craftsman hood. Poulan Pro PB24VA54: $1999. Poulan Pro 960420174 PB24VA54 Kohler V-Twin 24 HP Pedal Control Fast Auto Drive Cutting Deck Riding Mower, 54-Inch
(We have had really good luck with mowers from Amazon this year!)
Cub Cadet XT1 50 inch: Cub Cadet Lawn Mowers XT1 Enduro Series LT 50 in. 24 HP V-Twin Kohler Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower – California Compliant LT50 CARB
. I’m just a little nervous about this transmission just like the D140 Deere – but the Cub Cadet does have a 3 year warranty.
If you have absolutely no wiggle room on the $2000 there is the Craftsman 20391. 22HP Briggs Platinum, strong CVT trans, 48 inch deck. $1754 plus an additional 10% off if you buy by 5/5. (Family and Friends Sale) Use this link and sign up for the Shop Your Way Rewards during checkout. 22 HP V-Twin 48″ Turn Tight Fast Riding Mower – Non CA
Cliff Witham
Paul, Thank you for your prompt response. We decided to go with the Craftsman 20391. Cost was a huge factor, things are way too tight right now to spend any more. I am very excited to pick it up tomorrow and give it a try. The grass is getting greener and growing like a weed.
Paul Sikkema
@Cliff, You are welcome. If you ever have any questions feel free to stop by and ask.
Just so you know, there may be a quick set-up sheet with the mower that talks about purging the trans. You trans does not need that procedure. Also when you first move it around the garage the transmission may be noisy. That noise will go away in the first 5 hours of operation.
The manual talks about leveling the deck. Go out and mow with it first. If the cut is off then level the deck. Only about 1 in 25 decks need adjusting.
There is a oil in the engine – just read the manual, put gas in it and go.
Michael Bertoldi
Interesting Site! You seem to like Craftsmen and I would like to know your thoughts on the Craftsmen or Craftsmen Pro series for my yard which I will mention below. I saw a review on Sears’ website for the Craftsmen Pro 24 HP V-Twin Kohler with 46″ tight turn and the reviewer mentioned it not being good for wet areas and slopes. Something about the tires spinning out and the same unit with bigger tires would be a perfect mowing machine. Well, nearly my whole front yard is a slope or hill, and there is some grading such as hump if you will because of the way the front yard was graded to direct water I think… this presents some “humps” as well as a decent slope or hill to deal with which makes me think I need a smaller deck, yet enough power to handle the slope/hill. Can you recommend a Craftsmen for this, or any other riding mower for that matter?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Michael, A lawn tractors use the same size wheels 20X8 or 20X10. You have to go the 54 inch decks to get larger tires. Plus all lawn tractors use transmissions that only weigh about 25-30 lbs so they are a lot lighter in the rear than they were 20 years ago.
I don’t know what the exact circumstances were with those two reviewers. Were they coming from an old tractor with a heavy rear end?. Did they have problems with traction on their old tractor? Were the hills too steep? (Over 15 degrees) For safety reasons you should never mow around a pond – you should stay at least two mower widths away from the shoreline. Critters burrow under the edge, ruts develop after a rain and the shoreline can get water logged all causing situations where you will tip the mower over. We have people killed all over the country every year because they mow on too steep of slopes or fall into the pond with their lawn tractor or zero-turn.
You should never mow slopes when the grass is wet, That said,
One of the reasons the 2015 Craftsman Pro got such high ratings for mowing this year is because the chassis is stiff. It gives a great cut on a good lawn but doesn’t quite have the traction of the Husqvarna built mowers with the more flexible frame. Here is a write up I wrote last week:
If you live in a sub-division. The kind where your yard was leveled and smoothed with construction equipment the 2015 Craftsman Pro is going to give you a perfect cut. If you have had commercial landscape companies mow your lawn before and your lawn really looked good when they were done, the 2015 Craftsman Pro will give you a similar cut.
If your lawn is highly contoured this may not be the best choice. If your old mower is a Simplicity with the ground hugging deck and the roller all the way across the back this new 2015 Craftsman Pro is different. It uses the floating deck design everyone else uses. (except Simplicity and Husqvarna Rider)
My back yard is fairly smooth. The 2015 Craftsman Pro will give it a great cut. My front yard on the other hand is contoured, meaning it has a lot of small dips and mounds. It has a small ditch along the road and a swale along one side for water drainage to the backyard. A stiff framed tractor like the 2015 Craftsman Pro digs and gouges the turf. It looks the best when mowed with a ground-hugging deck but the cut is acceptable when using a tractor with a more flexible frame like the Craftsman Yard Tractor models 20390, 20391 and the G5500 garden tractor model 20403.
So, if you are concerned about your humps I suggest that you go with the Craftsman 20391 instead of the Pro. The frame is not as stiff and you get better traction for the dips and berms. It also has the wider 20X8 tires. It will still give you a great cut and the engine is the same quality as the Kohler 7000 Elite.
Here is my review of the: Craftsman 20391
Kaleb
Looking at the LGT26K54 or the YTH24V48 at Lowes. I have about 3 acres I mow and like the idea of the larger 54″ deck and larger HP engine, but it has the K46 trans from what I understand and the 48″ one has the upgraded K57. Also the 54 has fender mounted control and the 48 has foot pedals, not sure which is best. Any thoughts on these 2?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Kaleb, Yes, the YTH has the stronger K57 transmission. It needs the stronger trans because they overspeed it so you can go 8 mph! It’s a better tractor/engine/deck combination than the LGT.
DO NOT BUY the LGT26K54. Too many people are only getting 3-4 years out of that tractor. It’s really a shame that Lowes does not carry a heavy-duty lawn/garden tractor. If you really want a 54 inch deck, a heavy duty tractor and you want the $100 Husqvarna rebate go to a dealer and get the GTH24K54. It’s only $300 more than the LGT and you get a bulletProof transmission, larger tires, a Kawasaki FR engine and arm rest.
Other good heavy lawn/garden tractors are:
The Craftsman G5500 (basically a GTH with the 6 inch turn-tight steering)
Poulan Pro PBGT2654 (again basically the same tractor as the GTH24K54)
There are a few lawn tractors with the 2o inch wheels like the YTH but with the heavy-duty CVT transmission.
Foot control drives like you car. Push the big pedal on the right to go forward and press the small pedal to back up. Most tractors drive this way.
The fender control is what Craftsman used exclusively up to about 2005 so a lot of Craftsman owners are used to that. Somewhere along the line Husqvarna also picked it up because people asked for it. For us old people it’s nice because we many of us have limited mobility in our legs and ankles. That makes the fender control is easier to use.
Kaleb
What seems to be the problem with the LGT26K54 that is wearing out in 3-4 years? Transmission? Deck issues? I was on the fence because I thought maybe the Kohler 7000 was better than the Briggs in the 48″ one, but the trans in the YTH seemed better, so that was my issue. The extra 6″ would be nice but I am just mowing flat land with a few trees, cars, etc to mow around and did like the tighter turning radius of the YTH. I will probably end up going that route, its cheaper anyway.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Kaleb, I wrote the following comment last week on the LGT. I think it applies to this conversation. Here is my review of the LGT: 2013 Husqvarna LGT2654 Review | Beware! This Is Not A Garden Tractor!.
The LGT2654 and the Craftsman 20444 both have big decks but the small K46 transmission. The industry has had more problems with this engine/transmission combination than any other setup. The Craftsman G5100, John Deere D160’s and D170’s fall into this same issue.
Basically any lawn tractor with a 54 inch deck that sells for less than $2700 is using this transmission and the transmission is not designed for it.
The K46 transmission is not heavy-duty enough to last when trying to push that large deck. Many people are getting less than 200 hours of use before the transmission goes out.
The LGT2654 is the model that has been around the longest. If you go search Google, read the tractor forums and read the reviews of it on Lowes and other sites you will find more people complaining about the transmission going out than on any other tractor.
There is only one cheap 54 inch lawn tractor that does not use that transmission. It’s the Craftsman model 20393. It uses the stronger CVT. 22HP 54” Kohler Powered Turn Tight Riding Mower – Non CA
.
If cost is your only criteria for a selecting a new lawn tractor – buy what you want. But you came to this website because looking for help. I won’t suggest a tractor to you where the transmission will last only 2 weeks past the end of the warranty.
Kaleb
Here is another related question for you. My current mower is a 10 year old White Outdoor/MTD 46″ with a Courage engine that has the varidrive setup in that it has a FNR lever and the pedal on the floor to control speed. I end up having to replace PTO and deck belts about 1-2 times a year and I really do not like the cut of it much. It make the yard look like a hay field after it has been cut, it just leaves the clippings in a big line piled up ready to bail hay! Anyway I had just been getting tired of messing with the mower even though it only has about 55 hours on it so I started looking at those 2 previous mentioned Husqvarna mowers. Yesterday after the 1st pass around the yard the darn top transmission belt broke, the small one. That made me fed up with it again so I went to Lowes about to pull the trigger on the 48 and decided to maybe keep using my current mower and just replace the belts rather than spending the money on a new one, although I would love to have a new one. Anyway I guess my question is, how solid and reliable is this variable drive system in the MTD as compared to a hydrostatic trans such as the K46 or K57 etc? Is it worth fixing my current mower?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Kaleb, Your White is one of the frame styles of MTD that has always had belt issues. The Cub Cadet, Troy-Bilts, etc using that frame also eat belts. The new Cub Cadets/Craftsman Pro use a completely new frame design and won’t have the belt issues the old ones had.
The CVT in your old White just does not give anyone problems. It’s still being used today in a lot of the lower priced MTD tractors and I never hear of one going bad. The tractor/deck shakes apart long before the trans goes bad.
Stay away from the LGT at Lowes. I don’t have a good feel for the K57 in the Fast Tractor Lowes sells. The trans is heavier than the K46 but Husqvarna “overspeeds” the trans to get the added speed. So I don’t know how it will hold up. Husqvarna reset their reviews on their website and it’s hard to see a trend on the Lowes site because of the way reviews are sorted. There are over 365 reviews and yes there are a few bad tranny reviews but it’s not out of proportion.
If you buy a K46 with 20 inch rear tires and a 48 inch or less deck it will last.
Kirt
Waynesville, OH
Excellent advice and wonderfully informative website – Currently own an Husq LGT2654 (Briggs&Stratton).Made the mistake of believing Lowe’s BS about it being rated for ground engaging equipment. Even new, the POS would barely climb a 20 percent grade. After warranty period expired, I bought an plug aerator and loaded it up with 140lbs of cinder blocks (per the manual), only to discover that the K46 Tuff Torq tranny would never be the same. It began to whine all the time, and gradually got slower and slower until it barely creeps up even a 2 percent grade. Have removed and changed the oil twice (now that was an experience in designed obsolescence) to stretch out its life (still upset that Husq refused to us the K46 with a drain plug). Love the B&S engine (I’m not a Kohler fan) – but hate the K46 Tuff Torq and wouldn’t trust the “upgraded” K57 that Husq is putting in their fast 48 inch mower. It is basically just a K46 with a small pump. Was about to rebuild the K46 for $350ish in parts and lots of labor when I stumbled on the Craftsman G5500 while at a local mall. My old bagger fits it, it looked like it had a replaceable oil filter. Asked the Sears sales staff to tell me the make and model of the tranny. They couldn’t figure it out. Apparently, Sears/Craftsman doesn’t want to reference the names of part providers in their literature. After about an hour of waiting while multiple salesmen tried looking up parts at sears websites and other parts sites, I gave up, went home, searched on the web and found your site that confirmed what I had hoped to be true (was the most thorough and informative treatment of the G5500 that I could find). When I realized that I could get a G730 tranny for $2800, I abandoned my plans to refurb my much-hated LGT2654. Went back the same day – Sears is delivering this week.
I wish I had seen your website BEFORE I made the expensive mistake of buying Husqvarna’s so called “ground engaging” LGT2654.
Brent
McKinney, TX.
Paul,
Thanks for your quick reply. I was seriously looking at the Craftsman Pro series GT and it seems like the best choice. I went to the closest Sears store yesterday and they didn’t have one for me to see. One issue I forgot to mention was the overall deck width. Have lots of trees and some gates that are small. Specs on sears.com say 61″ wide (assuming that includes exit chute shroud), so maybe 52″-55″ overall width (w/o shroud)?
Do you lose the “heavy-duty” options when you downsize the deck in all makes/models? It seems from looking the toughest tractors are ones w/54″ decks.
Only exception I saw was maybe the JD X500?
Thanks for all your expert help!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Brent, Yes, Not all the Sears full-line stores get the GT and the Hometown stores order their own.
A 54 inch stamped deck will need 57 inches with the discharge cover up.
Yes, someone needs to build a Garden Tractor again with a 46-48 inch deck. All the models on the market right now (except the X500) lose the heavy-duty transmissions when you drop go to the smaller decks. Even some of the large deck tractors have small trannys. Stay over $2800 and you will be safe.
Brent
Paul,
Awesome site! I’m interested in your opinion on a heavy duty lawn/garden tractor. I have about 2 acres with only mild grade in some places. It is rough with lots of trees, holes, etc. I am very hard on decks, and really need the largest wheels. I do not plan to use ground engaging equipment but don’t have problem spending extra for a Garden Tractor if thought best for my situation. I currently have an old 2000 model Murry 42″ 14.5 BS LT with a manual tranny. Rock solid engine, rest is falling apart, including a cracked frame-rail. Continues to run, so I keep repairing it but I think it’s about done. I also have a Craftsman (gray) LT 917-275400 I picked up very cheap as a close-out at a local store several years ago.($650 due to stained seat and hood) So I couldn’t pass it up. But I don’t think it is quite as tough as I need and may not last as long as the old Murry.
So looking for: rock-solid transmission, extra heavy deck w/guide wheels, large wheels, heavy-duty frame. Nice to have tight turn capability, but not required. I will sometimes pull a small trailer with limbs or dirt, but do not plan to use any ground-engaging equip.
I will never bag and really don’t care if it mows beautifully, as I am out in the country and not concerned with the “manicured” look.
Love the x500 Deere but really didn’t want to pay $6k+. The new Pro-Series Craftsman sound good, but maybe I just need a lesser model or even the Poulan-Pro PBLGT2654 or PBGT2654.
Thanks for all your work and research!
Brent
(Located in Texas)
Paul Sikkema
Hi Brent, You can’t make a bad choice with the Craftsman
fir a few reasons.
Pro Series 26 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 54″ Turn Tight Extreme Garden Tractor
1. It’s only about $300 more than the PBGT2654 and for that extra you get a really tough front axle and steering. It’s warrantied for as long as you own it. The Craftsman has 22 inch rears compared to the 23’s on the Poulan but you won’t notice the difference. The front wheels are the same. The Turn-Tight steering is great but you will really like how easy it steers even more. It’s a completely different steering system than the Poulan Pro and it’s very easy and has no slop.
2. It’s a better choice for you than the Craftsman 20403, G5500 garden tractor. The front end on the G5500 works well on large lawns but is not the best choice for rough lawns. The front end on the Pro is the strongest.
3. I also have an issue with the PBLGT2654, the Craftsman 20401, and the Husqvarna LGT2654 in your situation. These tractors use a lightweight lawn tractor transmission and the trans is not strong enough to last on your rough lawn.
4. The Craftsman Pro deck is strong. It has a rolled edge around the bottom of the deck and it is reinforced underneath so the sides won’t collapse when you bump into your trees for the 200th time. It has 4 antiscalp wheels around the edges and a center nose roller to ride over tree roots.
5. I agree the X500 is a great mower but I have a feeling you won’t get any more life out of the deck than you will with the Craftsman Pro. This deck is the strongest I’ve seen on a Craftsman.
Alex V.
Plymouth Meeting, PA
Paul,
I’m a first time homeowner with a little more than a half an acre. The previous owner loved his gardening so as of now there are a lot of flower beds and some trees that I have to navigate around in the backyard. It is a pretty flat piece of land with only a very slight hill in the front. With all these choices on the market, I’m getting a little overwhelmed with information. I love your website so I figured I’d ask for your input as to what mower you would recommend. Also take into account that I’m 6′ 07″ and need something that I fit comfortably. Thanks for your help!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Alex, Thanks for telling me how tall you are. That makes my suggestion very easy.
The Craftsman 25081 (42 inch) and Craftsman 25083 (46 inch) have lots of operator room and they have a fender mounted speed control. With the fender mounted speed control you don’t have to try and bend your leg underneath you to push a foot pedal.
The CVT transmission in these tractors also has an internal, automatic parking brake. So even though there is a pedal on the left floorboard you never have to use it. (it makes a great footrest)
Please read my review of the 25081 here: 25081 Review. The only difference between the 42 inch 25081 and the 46 inch 25083 is the size of the deck.
Since you have a lot of stuff to mow around I am going to suggest the 46 inch. The deck sticks out the side of the tractor more which makes it easier to trim around obstacles with. Go out and measure between the bed and see if the deck with the discharge down will pass between them. (54 inches)
If you think theses tractors are the best for you the link to buy the 25083 is at the end of the 25081 review.
Alex V.
Paul,
Thanks for the great information! I went and sat on the 25083 today and really liked it. You were right about the fender direction location. It gives me more leg room. I also sat on a Husqvrana 22V46 (22 HP 46″ deck) and really liked that one also. Even with the gas pedal by the foot, it seemed to have more room. It definitely had a better/higher seat and the steering wheel was thicker, making it more comfortable for me to handle. They are the same price right now. I don’t know much about Husqvarna so I wanted to know what your input is. Are they are reliable tractor? Better quality or less than the Craftsman? Thanks again!
Paul Sikkema
@Alex, The big difference is the Husqvarna has a Intek engine, the Craftsman has the Platinum (Intek Plus.) Craftsman advertises 25% more life out of the Platinum. For your flat lawn that doesn’t make a big difference. It’s curious it has more room. It is exactly the same frame, fenders and seat brackets. The seat is taller on the Husqvarna – Maybe that’s the difference.
The Husqvarna has a better seat. The Craftsman has a better engine and steering.
Glenda George Gonser
Laverne, OK please tell me, we want a good lawn /garden tractor witih tough long lasting motor, as well as tires that are tough. is there any tires that have the soft foam tubes that come in them? we have 17 acres we have to take care of, limbs fall, etc. and yes would also be nice to put on a snow blower in winter but not really necessary as the ability to make this mower last for at least 7 years with out a lot of maintenance costs.
any suggestions, we can get 3 – 6k if need be. tell me options that we have. i don’t understand hydrostat is that one that ‘stays’ on ground better on inclines? that is what it seems from comments here. thanks for any help
Paul Sikkema
Hi Glenda, Foam filling lawn tractor tires is expensive. Around $250 for a set. Many of us use Slime Tubeless Sealant
. It will close punctures up to about 3/16 of an inch.
How much of that property are you going to mow? The mower I am going to suggest is the Raven MPV-7100. You can read my review here: Raven MPV. It a very heavy duty lawn mower, generator and all-purpose vehicle. With the deck off it will go 17 MPH. It has a very heavy duty cast iron transmission and will pull a large cart for picking up your limbs, etc. Best – it is a hybrid. Most of the time running around your property you can use the electric mode and wisk around quietly and not use any fuel. It’s $3999 to $4500 at Lowes.
If that is not something you would like I suggest talking to the local farm dealerships at a good used compact tractor with ag or construction tires.
Here is a Kubota as an example.
Dave in Mequon
Hi Paul. Thank you for the great information!
My 30 year old MTD rider finally gave up the ghost last night and I guess I need to pull the trigger on a new lawn tractor.
I have a little over 1 acre (SE WI) to mow. There are a few mature trees to go around but not a lot of obstacles. The back yard has a slight slope and is a bit bumpy, but nothing too drastic. In addition, we have a pretty steep, short blacktop driveway that I need to get the mower up and down to cut a flat patch down by the road.
Other uses would be to pull a light duty garden cart occasionally for brush, mulch, maybe some planting dirt. We have a number of very large, old maple trees that drop a LOT of leaves in the fall. Typically I just ran them over with the old tractor a number of times in the fall to grind them up. With the new mower, having more effective mulching capabilities would be nice, but not mandatory.
I guess what I am looking for is a good cutting, dependable, long-lasting piece of equipment. I realize I probably won’t get 30 years out of it, but would like to get at 10-15 years.
You seem pretty sold on Craftsman products.
Do you feel they would be the best option for me or are there others you would recommend? I am looking to stay in the #1200-$1600 range.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Dave, Because of all the trees I am going to suggest the 46 inch Craftsman Pro Model 20442. It has the highest rating by the leading consumer reporting company for side-discharge, mulching and bagging. It also has the best turning radius so you can get around your trees in one pass.
Yes, I have no problems finding the right Craftsman for you. Their tractors and zero-turns all are a great value for the price and Sears Repair always comes to you for repairs. If you have another brand you are partial to I will be glad to help you with that or compare it to the Craftsman so you can make an informed decision.
Here is my review of the Pro Series: Craftsman Pro
You can purchase the tractor here with free delivery: Pro Series 24 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 46″ Turn Tight Extreme Riding Mower
By the way. There are a few mistakes on the sears page. it does have cruise control and it will handle you steep driveway.
If you have to stay in the $1500 range look at the 46 inch 25083: It is included in the 25081 review here: 25081-25083 Review
Scott C
Hi Randy,
I have two acres with a few rough patches and hills. Considering a Husqvarna YTH22V46 V-Twin Hydrostatic 46-in. Lowes has them for $100 off and I can get 10 veterans discount ($1440 total)…good choice? Something better?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Scott, 1. That’s not a bad price. Home Depot also offers the 10% veterans discount. Home Depot also has two mowers that are very comparable but have a stronger CVT transmission. The
is a 5.5 mph tractor with the CVT. This model is only $1449 so with your vet discount…..
Ariens Lawn Mowers A20KA46 46 in. 20 HP KOHLER Automatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower 960460064
The second is the Ariens Lawn Mowers A22VA46 46 in. 22 HP B&S Fast Automatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower
. This one will run around the yard at 7.5 MPH!
Both of these riding mowers use the same deck as the Husqvarna. The 22 hp Briggs is also the same. The rest of the tractor (except the hood is also the same)
2. I do not recommend the Briggs & Stratton Intek engine that is in these mowers for hills. I have had too many owners state they don’t get the expected life out of these engines on hills. The Kohler in the Ariens A20KA46 holds up well. (You won’t notice the power difference) I also don’t recommend the K46 transmission that’s in the Husqvarna for hills. If you are just going to mow it’s fine but if you want to add a bagger or pull stuff (more weight to move around) then I suggest going to the Ariens with the CVT trans.
Randy
Hi Paul,
I am looking to get my first riding mower. I have about 1 acre of flat land and not much landscaping. I want a mower that will last a long time and be able to handle towing mulch, small bushes and such. I would like to stay under $2,200 or so. What do you recommend?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Randy, The Craftsman 25081, 25083 and 20390 are good choices. These mowers are some of the best for long life and just all around good yard tractors. Just type those numbers into the search box in the top right corner of this page and my reviews will come up.
Sebastien
I’ve got my options narrowed down to two garden tractors for my 7.5 acre property here in Maine. The John Deere X300 with 48″ deck or the Craftsman Pro Series with 54″ deck (or the red 24 hp version).
I have about 2 acres to mow and may, in the future, add on a snowblower for cleaning up around the house. I get my 800-ft driveway plowed and have no intention of ever clearing that myself with a snowblower.
Aside for the roughly $300 cost savings with the Craftsman, are there any other reasons I should be looking at the Craftsman instead of the Deere? My John Deere dealer is 10 mins away if that would sway you one way or another…
Thanks in advance
Paul Sikkema
Hi Sebastien, The X300 does not have the same quality transmission as the Craftsman. The X300 and X304 have the K46 transmission so it is only rated as a lawn tractor. You have to go to the X310, X320 or X360 to get the same K58 ground engaging transmission as the Craftsman Pro.
The X320 with a 48 inch deck is $4299. When you compare apples to apples then the cost difference is about $1000. The X320 is a nice mower made here in Wisconsin.
Sebastien
Thanks Paul.
Does the 24 hp B&S powered red Craftsman with complete start have the same K58 transmission? Just saw that this tractor is now on sale at $2,899, versus the new MTD built Pro Series for $3,299.
If it does have the same transmission, is there any reason to spend the extra money on the newer model?
Paul Sikkema
@Sebastian, The 20403
is at a great price right now.
24HP 54″ Complete Start™ Turn Tight® Garden Tractor – Non CA
That garden tractor actually has a stronger G730 transmission. It’s one of the strongest on the market, especially in the $2800-4000 price range. No, I don’t feel in your case that it’s worth spending the extra.
Paul Sikkema
By the way if you are thinking about mowing your yard – I’m Jealous!
Paul Sikkema
This is what I’m getting right now!
A. Zagrodnik
Anderson, SC . First Riding lawn mower and have gotten lots of info from your site. Have a flat grass front lawn, 1/6 acre, and a rear lawn 1/5 acre mostly of uneven rough grass, sand,ant hills, pine cones and sticks from dozen or more pine trees, slope of 5% and a bit more in places.. (unable to improve rear lawn per corps of engineers rules but can mow it). I’d like to stay in the 42-46 inch size. Should I be looking for a reinforced deck and 4 deck wheels? What would you recommend? So many choices; so little time to fish…
Paul Sikkema
@A. I Understand! I live next to one of the best walleye lakes in Wisconsin and here I sit answering questions about lawn mowers! Decks with 4 anti-scalp wheels decks like the 42 inch and 46 inch Craftsman are strong enough to take a beating. They are balanced so they ride up over obstructions instead of plowing into them. In addition, there are really no good reinforced decks in the 42-46 inch size. Husqvarna’s 42 in fabricated deck mows horribly and the 46 inch fabricated deck on the Cub Cadet XT1 is very expensive for what you get ($2199)
I am going to give you a few ideas. I’ll start with the least expensive ($1500) and work up to the one’s with the most features.
Craftsman 25081. 42 inch, 6 inch Turn-Tight steering, 19 HP Briggs & Stratton Platinum Single (about $1499) BUY HERE: 19HP 42 in. Turn Tight® Automatic Riding Mower
Cub Cadet XT1 Enduro Series LT 46 in. 16 inch Steering, 22 HP V-Twin Kohler 7000 (about $1699) BUY HERE: Cub Cadet Lawn Mowers XT1 Enduro Series LT 46 in. 22 HP V-Twin Kohler Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower LT46
John Deere D125 42 in. 18 inch turning radius, 20 HP Deere V-Twin (about $1499) BUY HERE: John Deere Lawn Mowers D125 42 in. 20 HP V-Twin Hydrostatic Front-Engine Riding Mower BG20709
Craftsman 20390. 42 inch, 6 inch Turn-Tight steering, 22 HP Briggs & Stratton Platinum V-Twin (about $1700) BUY HERE:22HP 42” Turn Tight® Fast Riding Mower – Non-CA
Craftsman 20442. 46 inch, 5 inch Turn-Tight Extreme, 24 HP Kohler Elite V-Twin (about $2199) BUY HERE:
Pro Series 24 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 46″ Turn Tight Extreme Riding Mower
Mark (Flemington, NJ)
Thanks for all the great info Paul. I have about half an acre, that is mostly flat – so I’m looking for something under $1500. Here is the problem — I am very tall — 6’8″. Before I go from store to store to try to sit on a bunch of different tractors, are all riding tractors pretty much the same fit, or do you recommend one over another that might have more leg room for someone my size?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Mark, Most of the under $1500 tractors are too short for you and most of the ones over $1500 have the foot control too close to be comfortable for your size.
I would try the Craftsman Model 25081 first.
. It uses a fender speed control and has the most room for you. When you sit on it make sure the seat is adjusted all the way back.
19HP 42 in. Turn Tight® Automatic Riding Mower
Andrew
Hello Paul I own about 1 acre of land it’s a old farm house and most of the property is pretty ruff and bumpy I was wanting to get a mower I can mow fast with and be able to handle the ruff terrain the yard is all flare so I woukdent have to consider riding on any sort of an incline what would the best mower be with out breaking the piggy bank .. Worthington PA
Paul Sikkema
Hi Andrew, Actually a good 48 inch lawn tractor would do the job well. You won’t be able to mow very fast because of the rough ground but you want something tough enough to take a beating from the rough lawn. A 48 inch deck will get the job done is about 45 minutes. A Craftsman 22 HP V-Twin 48″ Turn Tight Fast Riding Mower – Non CA
is a good choice.
Andrew
I seen that you had good reviews on the poulan pro pb22va48 I was courious if you thought I could be a good choice also or is the craftsman model you recommend a better choice overall
Paul Sikkema
Hi Andrew, The Poulan Pro is a great choice if you do not want to deal with Sears (I know it’s shocking but there are a few people who don’t like Sears 🙂
In reality the PB22VA48 and the Craftsman 20391 are very similar. The Craftsman has a better engine, the 6 inch Turn-Tight Steering, a different hood and a better nationwide service network. The rest of the machine is the same.
Please read the review from Mr. Benedict below. He did a great job of talking about the Craftsman model 20391 (22 hp 48 inch deck)
Chris Wiley
I hear good things on Cub Cadet XT2. What are your thoughts.
Warrington, Pa……..
Paul Sikkema
Hi Chris, Yes, I have to get that review done…. The Cub Cadet XT1 and XT2 are the same machine.
In reality there is very little difference. Engines are different. They use the same frames. XT1 uses flanged front wheel bearings – the XT2 use ball bearings. They use the same transmissions except the XT2 series uses electronic locking differential on some models. They all use the same decks with the XT2 having more fabricated decks available. Remember stamped decks cut better, fabricated decks take more of a beating.
I’m going to also include the Craftsman Pro Series. It shares about 90% of the same parts. (Different color of course)
So. The XT1 is for most people. It mows well and has the features you want at a decent price. It’s available at Home Centers and Cub Cadet Dealers
The Craftsman Pro is the best for people who want a tractor but have a lot of trees and other landscaping features to mow around. It’s discerning feature is the 5 inch Extreme Turn-Tight Steering. The engines are a step up from the XT1. Consumer Reports gave the Craftsman Pro Series 46 and 54 inch deck tractors their best ratings. It’s available through sears.com and Sears Stores
The XT2 is a Cub Cadet dealer only tractor and uses mainly Kawasaki engines. They also have more options for the transmissions and decks. If you have hills to mow that you had difficulty mowing with other tractors this one has better traction.
I like this new Series and many people who want a great mowing tractor will buy them. Cub Cadet really did their homework and I feel it won’t have any of the problems the 2014 and old Cub Cadets had.
David
Thanks for the quick reply. I’ll give it a try.
David
Harleysville, PA: Paul, I have a Craftsman 42 in. Turn Tight® Automatic Riding Mower that I purchased last year. I see you like it alot, but I find that it can’t handle mulching at all. I raise the deck and it still chokes on the grass and leaves clumps all over the place. In addition, I can fill a giant trash bag with all the grass that builds up on the tractor deck while mowing. Is it possible it’s not set up properly? The Sears technician installed the mulching blades. Perhaps I shouldn’t mulch at all?
Paul Sikkema
Hi David, This time of the year when the grass is growing fast and it has a lot of moisture in the leaves mulching doesn’t work well. Most of the time it just leaves a mess. To mulch properly you should be mowing at least 3 1/2 inches (top or second notch down) and you should only mow off about 1/3 the stalk. That means this time of year to mulch well you need to be mowing 2-3 times a week.
Take the mulching cover off. You can continue to use the mulching blades but to get the best cut, put on the original hi-lift blades.
Later on, Mid June-Sept you may be able to go back to mulching if you want.
The best mulching mowers and the only ones that really work well are commercial mowers with 5 to 6 inch deep decks. Even those have adjustable internal baffles so when the grass has a lot of moisture you can throw some of the grass clippings out the discharge.
D. Bishop
I live in Coquille, Oregon, where the grass grows like weeds. (As do the moles!!)
I’m getting to old to use a push mower, and have a little over an acre, so I’m buying my first riding mower. I’ll be mowing mostly flat lawn, but do have a hill that’s 15-20 degrees, and about 100ft wide, but it only elevates for about 10 ft before leveling off again.
I wish I could afford a top of the line tractor, but I’m limited to about $1800.
I was cautioned by a mower mechanic about the hydrostatic transmissions because of their overheating, resulting failure, and complicated & expensive servicing issues, so I was looking for a good CVT type. However, it seems that almost all of the lawn/yard tractors use a Hydrostatic trans. I read somewhere that many of the heavy earth moving machines are also using hydro’s now. Have the Hydro’s used in lawn equipment improved dramatically in the past few years?
What are your thoughts about CVT vs Hydrostatic lawn equipment?
I saw that the Poulan Pro was about the only one using a heavy duty CVT trans these days.
Home depot’s website lists several as on-line only, but they also all say out of stock!!
I’d like to buy from Lowes or Home Depot, as they both offer a 10 percent VA discount, but again, almost everything they sell is hydrostatic, including all of the John Deere’s except their cheapest model.
I did see that a couple of the Ariens utilized a CVT, and realize that they’re built by Husqvarna, but are they as well built and reliable as the Husqvarna brand?
The Home Depot guy was really pushing the Cub Cadet, saying that the newer Hydro’s were actually MORE reliable!?? I liked a couple of their features, but had my reservations about the plastic hood & other parts. Your thoughts about them for my situation?
Originally I wanted a 20-24 HP 46-48″ with a reliable V-twin, but now I’m not sure about the V-twin either. ??
Sorry about all the questions, but there’s so much conflicting information out there, and I feel that you’re more well informed and likely to tell it like it is, without monetary or brand bias. I applaud your very informative website.
Thanks for your help.
D. Bishop
Paul Sikkema
@D. Bishop, no the hydros have not improved. In fact CVT’s are quickly taking over the L&G market because of that. There are good hydro’s out there but the manufactures continue to race to the bottom on price and consequentially they put smaller and smaller hydro’s trans in the mid-priced mowers.
One of the biggest problems is most people won’t spend more than $1800 on a lawn tractor but at the same time have no problems spending $10,000 on an ATV. What most people don’t realize is 30 years ago a car was $5000 and a lawn tractor was $2500. Today a car is $25,000 and a Lawn tractor is $1800. Does that even make sense? No wonder the parts are not as strong.
The Home Depot guy is only stating what he read in the advertising flier about the Cub Cadet. “nuff said….”
Let’s first talk about which tractor and then I’ll show you how to get the best deal. (and maybe a VA discount)
Yes, the Ariens has the CVT, but the other side of the equation is the engine. The engine in the Ariens is great for flat yards but when you use the Briggs Intek on hills you dramatically shorten it’s life.
I like Craftsman in your price range because you get the good CVT, a good engine that will last on hills and great service right at your home. So, let’s start with my first choice for you.
The Craftsman 25083 has a Craftsman Platinum (Briggs Intek Plus) that will handle the hills well. It has the Element V CVT that is better than the K46 in the Cub Cadets for hills. It also has the 6 inch Turn-Tight Steering, Great seat and easy access to repair parts and service.
Here is the link to buy it online. 19HP 46 in. Turn Tight® Automatic Riding Mower
Now let’s talk about price.
Right now if you use the link above you get free delivery and an additional 5% off the regular price (on top of the sale price). That equals the 10% VA discount you can get at THD. Plus if you use a Sears card you can either take another 5% off or get 12 months no interest. You can apply for the card during the checkout. In addition sign up for the Shop Your Way Rewards during the checkout process and you will get an additional 2% back in points you can spend on anything at Sears.
Sears also has a Veterans Discount. It is 5%. To get it you have to go into a Full-Line Store (a mall anchor store not a Hometown store) The issue is Sears has an either or philosophy. You can two of the three deals. Free Delivery, extra 5% off or the 5% VA discount. Take your pick (Lowes and THD have similar rules on “stacking offers”)
Thank you for your service. Feel free to ask any other questions until you are comfortable you are making the right purchase.
Dana Bishop
Hi again Paul, Thank you so much for the info about Sears discounts, and especially for confirming & expounding on what the mechanic said about the hydrostatics. I liked the features of the Craftsman 25083, but I was kinda concerned about the reviewers comments about the freewheeling function, as this would be very important in my storage situation. I noticed that Sears also had a model 20376 that had a Kohler 7000 V-Twin for the same price as the 25083. (although it doesn’t have the “tight turn”) How do you feel about the Kohler 7000 series V-twin for short hills?
Or should I just completely forget the idea of a V-twin?
Do the one lungers have more torque for hills? I guess my only real reason for originally wanting a twin was the vibration factor.
I liked the write up about how well built the Poulan Pro’s were, and that shipping was free. I would have to give up on the idea of a VA discount, but after all is said & done, overall reliability is my main concern. Which model would you suggest for my short but wide hill situation.
I really appreciate your expertise, as you’ve already helped me to narrow things down by at least 90 percent.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Dana, Unfortunately Craftsman did not make up a quick setup sheet that explained the freewheel. It works similar to a hydro but not exactly the same so once you do the 2 step procedure you are good to go for years. (You have to make sure the transmission is in neutral to release the internal parking brake before it will move.) Read this pdf on how to use the freewheel. Craftsman Bypass
I should explain a little more. The CVT transmission has an internal parking brake that automatically sets when you put the tractor in neutral. The rod in the back of the tractor release that rod. You just have to make sure the trans is in neutral for the brake to release.
The 20376 is over priced. It’s a $1200 tractor that with a $300 premium to get it with a Kohler engine.
I still feel the 25083 is still the best mower. The single has a little more torque and internally they are balanced to there is no more vibration than most twins.
Dana B.
Hi Paul, Happy news! My budget for a lawn tractor just went from $1800 to $2200. Question about the Craftsman Pro series…. Why did they go from a GT RS800 transmission to a K46?? Isn’t the RS800 more heavy duty?
What would the order of strength & reliability be for the Element V vs. RS400 vs. RS800 vs. K46 CVT tansmissions?
Any other brand or model suggestions considering the $400 increase in my mower budget?
Thanks again for all your help Paul.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Dana, In order of strength lowest RS400 then K46 then RS800.
They went with the K46 because the Pro series is made by MTD and they have not started using General Transmissions. I doubt that they will because they make their own CVT’s in the small tractors and walk-behind mowers.
Now, I went back and re-read all of our discussions.
– You would like a CVT – that’s fine.
– You only have about an acre to mow so that does change our discussion a little. We should be talking about a tractor with a 42 or 46 inch deck. Preferably a 46 inch deck because it easier to trim with.
– You have a short but fairly steep hill to go up and down.
– I have a problem with using the K46 in a lawn tractor with a 54 inch deck or a garden tractor with large rear wheels and a 48-54 inch deck. When used in the application it was designed for it is a great transmission.
– The application it was designed for is the 42-46 inch lawn tractor. For example in the 46 inch Craftsman Pro it will handle your hill well and last a long time. I know it’s confusing but I have done a lot of research on this including talking to the engineers at Hydro-Gear. When I asked about the problems they stated, “We give the manufactures the transmission’s specs. We make suggestions. But we can’t MAKE the manufactures install them in the right tractors.” To take this a little farther Hydro-Gear sells over 1 million of the K46 a year. When you look at where those transmissions are installed – only the ones in the larger tractors have issues.
– I have thought about other brands. I thought about the John Deere D125 but that has a small hydro. You originally asked about the Cub Cadet. Well, the Craftsman Pro has a lot of the same parts as the Cub Cadet. The Craftsman Pro has more metal in the hood, a little better engine than the Home Depot Cub Cadet model, the 5 inch Turn-Tight Extreme steering and I like the seat better. You will like the steering. It is very easy to steer.
I still thing the Craftsman 25083 is a good choice but I’ll be happy to tell you that the new Pro Series is also a good choice. The 46 inch model has the highest ratings for mowing, mulching and bagging. It turns really nice and I fell it will be a very dependable tractor.
Here is a link to buy it online and have it delivered to your home for free.:Pro Series 24 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 46″ Turn Tight Extreme Riding Mower
D. Bishop
Hi Paul, I had finally decided on the 46″ Pro Series & was about to place an order, but I decided to check the specs one last time before committing. I was surprised when I saw that under “accessory or attachment / hauling” it said NO, but under “recommended for this product” it listed a dump cart & sweeper. I can’t imagine that it wouldn’t have a tow hitch on their pro series, but it is built by MTD rather than Husqvarna. Does the model 20442 have a tow hitch? If it does, is it rated for light, or heavy hauling?
Thanks again for all your help,
D. Bishop
Paul Sikkema
Hi D. Bishop, Ignore the specs on sears.com. The person who transcribed those onto the sales page messed them up. There is a change to the website coming with the corrections but the way sears.com is set up with multiple redundant servers it will take more than a month for us to see the changes.
Yes, It has a hitch and yes you can haul your cart, firewood, etc. And yes – it does have cruise control. 🙂
D. Bishop
Hi again, Thank you for the quick reply. I was very relieved to find that it does have a tow hitch, but when I went back to place my order, the price had changed from $1979.99 to $2199.99, which now goes over my budget. I tried the clickable link you gave me again, but it still comes up $2199.99. ARGHHhh!! Please help!
Paul Sikkema
@D. Bishop, Sears is one of those retailers that changes prices just about every week and they don’t let us know what the prices will be until Sunday morning for the week. In addition, the Pro is the hot ticket this year so it is not getting the “extra 5%” off some of the other tractors are getting. It is very frustrating if you wait.
andy
Hi Paul, so many choices! What would you recommend best for my needs? I will need to mow about 2 acres of yard, not too rough, but having quite a few obstacles to mow around…septic, garden, a dozen trees or so, clothesline poles, and will need to get up close to mow along fencing, etc. Also, two long ditches and a few slopes to mow. I will also need to mow higher and thicker pasture grass from time to time. Not as often as a weekly yard mow, maybe twice a month. This area is about 2 acres and rough from horses. Would also like to use the same machine for hauling firewood, dirt, etc, as well as potentially for snow removal for my lane which is a gentle slope, about 500 ft. Your help and expertise is greatly appreciated!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Andy, I suggest something with larger rear wheels and a good, solid front end. I would suggest a zero-turn but they don’t do snow removal.
My last choice is the John Deere Lawn Mowers D170 54 in. 25-HP V-Twin Hydrostatic Front-Engine Riding Mower BG20732
. It’s a good tractor but the transmission is a little light for the work you want to do. It also has an 18 inch Turning radius which isn’t the best for mowing around obstacles.
Stay away from the Husqvarna LGT26K54 at Lowes and Craftsman G5100 Model 20401 at Sears. The transmissions are not strong enough for what you want to do.
My First Choice is the Craftsman Pro Series 26 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 54″ Turn Tight Extreme Garden Tractor
.
There are a couple of other dealer only tractors if you don’t want Home Depot of Sears. The Husqvarna GT54LS and the Cub Cadet XT2 GX54″ with Fabricated Deck
andy
Hi Paul, Thanks so much for your input. I currently have a ZTR and think that either me or my yard is too rough for it. I would like to have something more durable and sure footed on slopes and ditches too. I think I’ll take a look into the Craftsman Pro Series 26 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 54″ Turn Tight Extreme Garden Tractor if that is your top choice. Thanks again!
Paul Sikkema
@Andy, Yes, ZTR’s are not for everyone and every yard that’s for sure. Many women have to wear a sport bra just to stay in the seat.
Yes, the Craftsman Pro Series 26 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 54″ Turn Tight Extreme Garden Tractor
is my first choice for you.
andy
Hi Paul, Thanks again for your input. I do have a follow up question…the Craftsman Pro Series 26 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 54″ Turn Tight Extreme Garden Tractor on the Sears website indicates that this is best for a flat terrain, and does not support plowing or hauling. I was hoping to do both and my yard is more rough and hilly than flat. Do you think there is a better alternative, or maybe Sears has incorrect specs listed for this model? I appreciate your help!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Andy, The website is all messed up. I have a feeling the people that wrote that description did not have it approved by a subject matter expert before they hit “send.” The problem with the Sears site is they know the mistakes but the way the website is constructed (mirrors and redundant cloud servers) it takes months before the changes propagate throughout the whole system.
“Trust Me” on this one.
The Tractor has a K58 ground engaging transmission so it will handle snow plowing and hauling. It has the large front and rear tires so it will handle rough ground well (and a good seat)
Have you seen the new heavy-duty Craftsman Cart?
. It just the right size for your new Craftsman Pro!
12 cu. ft. Swivel Dump Cart with Hydraulic-Assisted Lift & Run-Flat Tires
andy
Hi Paul- thanks for clarifying, and thanks in general for your help. Im going to check out the Craftsman. Much appreciated!
Doig
Paul, thanks for all the great info. Which would you recommend between the Ariens a20KA46 or the A20VA46. The VA is in stock at Home Depot, the KA Has to be ordered. I guess the only difference is one has the v twin Briigs and the other has the single cylinder Koehler??
Paul Sikkema
Hi Doig, If you have hills I would buy the Ariens with the Kohler: Ariens Lawn Mowers A20KA46 46 in. 20 HP KOHLER Automatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower 960460064
The Ariens with the Briggs is $100 less because of the Intek engine. Ariens Lawn Mowers A20VA46 46 in. 20 HP V-Twin Briggs & Stratton Automatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower 960460063
. It’s will last for most people but if you are constantly mowing slopes greater than 10 degrees the Kohler is a better choice.
Brian - Pottstown,PA
Paul, love your site, it’s awesome. I have a question about engines — (besides the obvious HP difference, and the fact that 1 is a twin and the other is a single) what is the difference between the B&S Intek found in the Ariens you just recommended to Jeff – Ariens Lawn Mowers A20VA46 46 in. 20 HP V-Twin Briggs & Stratton Automatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower 960460063 and the B&S Gold Plus found in the Craftsman 46 inch 19 HP – Item # 07120374000PModel # 13AL78XT099. Do you recommend one over the other? Thanks!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Brian, The Briggs Intek and the Craftsman/Briggs Gold are the same basic engine. The Intek is an “off the shelf” engine and the Gold is spec’d by Craftsman. That said, the only real difference is the Craftsman may have a better air filter. I don’t have a preference for either engine.
Now I only recommend either engine for flat lawns. If you have hills and slopes greater than 10 degrees please spend the extra money and buy a tractor with the Craftsman Platinum or Briggs Intek Plus. These engines have a better oil delivery system and they won’t run out of oil on hills. (Other engines for hills are Koher 7000 and Kawasaki FR)
Brian
Thanks Paul. My lawn is mostly flat with some slight slopes, but I’m fairly certain they don’t approach 10 degrees. I’ll have to measure to make sure.
Jeff P
Chelmsford Ma- Hello Paul, I have a fully flat 1/2 acre lot with all of the trees in mulch beds so turning radius isnt an issue. I want to stay around the 1200-1500 range at the highest point and need to buy from home Depot because of gift cards I have. I was wondering on recommendations between the ariens, cub, or john deere for my price point. I was leaning towards the ariens as its 1199 but wanted your opinion. I also will be doing light work towing a trailer for mulch etc. and then mulching /bagging leaves for the fall. I know john deere has the $200 carts on rebate but even so withe the ariens that would still be 100 cheaper.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Jeff, The Ariens is a great value riding mower and for your flat lawn it will do a fine job. The Ariens Lawn Mowers A19A42 42 in. 19 HP Briggs & Stratton Automatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower 960460061
you selected has plenty of power to mow your lawn.
You may want to consider the Ariens Lawn Mowers A20VA46 46 in. 20 HP V-Twin Briggs & Stratton Automatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower 960460063
. The V-Twin is a little smoother running and the 46 inch deck sticks out from the tractor just a little more so trimming is easier with it. Everyone like the cut of the 46 though the 42 cuts well also.
Jeff P
Is there any big difference between the va or ka 46″ besides then $50. Also do both of these do a good job with mulching as I get a good amount every year.
Paul Sikkema
@Jeff, There are a couple of differences. the Ariens Lawn Mowers A22VA46 Briggs & Stratton 46 in. 22 HP V-Twin with Ready Start Fast-Auto Front-Engine Riding Mower 960460069
has a Briggs & Stratton engine with an automatic choke.
It adjust the air and fuel automatically for starting.
The VA also has the 7.5 mph transmission. You mow about 4 mph but when you are just running around the yard with the yard cart the tractor will go 7.5 mph!
This deck mulches and bags very well. The Ariens uses the same deck as the 25083 Craftsman so if you have problems getting the mulch kit let me know and I’ll give you the Craftsman part number
Jeff P
Thank you a ton for your feedback. I think I am going to lean towards the 46″ va as its only 200 more then the 42″. I won’t need the bagger until the fall but do you know of any incentives ariens does (or if they do them at all) like John deere with the free cart?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Jeff, Ariens has those tractors priced so well that there is not a lot of room for any incentives. Home Depot does offer financing and I think they give the 10% veterans discount on those tractors.
Steve
I live in Ozark, MO and will soon be moving to a home with about 2.5 acres to mow, with rolling hills for half of the yard. I have been reading your reviews and am leaning towards the Craftsman Pro series, either the pro 24 46″ cut or the pro 26 54″ cut. Please help me decide which would work best for my situation (especially transmission wise as I want/need this tractor to last a long while). I may haul yard waste or dirt with it in the future. Thanks for your input.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Steve, The 46 will take you a little over 2 hours to mow and the 54 a little less than two hours. The 54 has larger tires and a stronger transmission. If you want to pull stuff like loads of dirt go with the 54.
Here is the link for the 54: Pro Series 26 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 54″ Turn Tight Extreme Garden Tractor
Nico
First I want to say thanks. 30 min on your site and I feel like I’ve finally made sense of the last months worth of research and data i’ve been collecting. I’m just shy of an acre with two pretty steep slopes (25 – 30 degrees on one end and 40 degrees on the other end) in the yard. I also have a small (8) number of trees between 8″ and 24″ inch trunk diameter that I would need to get around.
This is my first rider, and I’m looking for something that’s maneuverable but can also handle the slopes without issue. I do plan on some hauling, mulching and clearing snow and was looking at the JD D155 I’m trying to stay in that $2500 and below price range and have no loyalty to any particular badge.
Any suggestions?
Bartlett, IL
Paul Sikkema
Hi Nico, Please use this calculator to figure out your slopes and then respond back. Why, because 25 to 30 degrees is too steep for most people to walk up – let alone mow safely with a four wheel drive walk-behind mower.
Nico Gazzano
So… there wan’t a link to the calculator but i did find the article on Mowing Slopes Safely – Let’s Get Real About Hills.
A few concerning things jumped out at me. 1st, I need to go and measure these slopes to see what i’m really up against. 2nd, the west side of my yard gets flooded between two large willow trees and any sort of heavy rain fall puts the whole yard into a waterlogged mess.
Should I just abandon the search for a decent rider and hire a crew?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Nico, No, a mowing crew would just go into that area and tear it up and then want to charge you to fix it later on.
You may have to let that wet area dry out before you mow it. There are many areas I used to mow in Illinois that stayed too wet to mow until June.
Some areas you may have to mow with a walk-behind or many people are now putting steep or boggy areas into native grasses and wildflowers. It really depends on the type of look you like on your property.
Nico Gazzano
After measuring a few times it seems that I’m only dealing with a 7-8° slope at the worst. Steepest incline is about a 3.5 ft rise over 27 ft length.
So back to my original question on the comparisons between the jd140 and jd155, or another option?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Nico, great! Either mower will do fine. The D155 does have a better motor.
Use this link to check Home Depot. They have a free Deere cart with the purchase of a Deere tractor until April 22. John Deere Lawn Mowers D155 48 in. 24 HP ELS Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower BG20842
rickhantz
Issaquah, Wa Looks like solid rubber (liquid pour, then cured) –tires weigh around 75lbs each. My old green machine, which had larger tires, weighed about 110lbs a piece. Probably why it cost so much. Bought through Les Schwab store (which sent them out).
rickhantz
Issaquah, Wa Already spent a fortune in getting my rear tires filled (cost twice as much as it did 17 years ago, and for smaller tires)about$400. Just ordered the TerraGrips. Looks like they will do the job.
Paul Sikkema
@Rick, Did you go with the foam?
You may not want to hear this but for the rest of the readers… Many guys are filling their rears 3/4 full of windshield washer fluid. That adds about 25 lbs a tire. That gives you about the same weight as the old cast iron transmissions and gets the weight low so you don’t have center of gravity issues.
Bryan
Bryan jeffersonville, Indiana
Hi Paul. Have 1/3 acre that is all flat. Need less than 48″ deck due to gate and shed door size. Grass is thick and have 4 huge trees in my backyard that drop tons of thick leaves in the fall….so looking for something relatively inexpensive that can mulch and bag well. Would also be interested in using a snow blade for my driveway. Have grown up a John Deere man (used my dad’s) but have recently taken an interest to the new Cub Cadet XT1’s. Would like to stay in 1500-1800 dollar range if possible. Very interested in your suggestions for the meat bang for my buck (even if it means another brand)! Thanks in advance for your help!!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Bryan, Jeffersonville! The town of perpetual road construction! I’ve been going through there since 1993 and I can’t remember a year without the last 10 miles of I65 tore up…at least that new bridge will be nice.
The Cub Cadets and the Craftsman Pro’s are getting all the buzz this year and Cub Cadet is the absolute master of the advertising world but there are a few Deere’s that are just as good and are recent additions to the Deere line.
You don’t need more than a 42 inch for 1/3 acre. Of course you are stuck with a 2 bin bagger. But, You can use these blades with leaves and get twice as many in the bagger per dump.
Set of 2 Gator 3-in-1 Mulching Blades to Replace John Deere Blades GY20567
I want to compare the D125 to the Cub Cadet XT1 42 inch.
The Cub has an 18 HP single Kohler. It’s a good engine. The Deere has a 20 HP V-Twin. The Deere is a good and very smooth running engine.
The Cub Rated a 76 from CR for bagging, mulching and side discharge. The Deere D125 rated a 75 (high score was 78) In my opinion that is too close to call.
The Cub and the Deere will both take a snow blade.
The Cub is $300 less but $100 of that is the single cylinder engine and the D125 has a free cart rebate online. (Until April 22) That’s $200. So the price is the same.
Here is the rebate details for the cart: free cart
Buy the Deere or the Cub Here from Home Depot: John Deere Lawn Mowers D125 42 in. 20 HP V-Twin Hydrostatic Front-Engine Riding Mower BG20709
Here is the bagger: John Deere Lawn Equipment Parts 42 in. Twin Bagger for 100 Series Tractors BG20776
Snow Blade: John Deere Lawn Equipment Parts 46 in. Front Blade Attachment for Tractors BG20020
Chains: John Deere 20 in. Rear Tire Chains BG10264
Weights: John Deere Lawn Equipment Parts Weight Bracket for 100 Series Tractors BG20627
Need two of these: John Deere Lawn Equipment Parts Rear Weight BG20029
Bryan Meyer
Hey Paul,
Sorry for my slow response….thanks for all of the great information in response to my question. I just purchased the John Deere D125 today and will get that shipped in the coming weeks from Home Depot.
Just a heads up for you and maybe some of the readers, that I got them to match a 10% discount/online promo code I had with Lowe’s. Here is a link to the code I used: https://www.dealsplus.com/lowes-coupons?code=2397395
The one weird thing is since this is online based, they made me get the machine shipped and I couldn’t opt to pick up from the store the same day (since store pick-up’s go through the store system, the online rep could not apply the 10% off).
Again thanks for your help….I look forward to the new Deere!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Byran, Thanks, Yes, many of the reatilers have specific ways for you to get the best price or match another company. Many of the retailers also will not “stack” coupons. What that means is you may be able to get the 10% matching coupon but you then won’t be able to get the military discount. You are very welcome – come back and tell us how you like it!
rickhantz
Issaquah, WA
Even with my rear tires filled, I slip on hills when the grass is a bit wet with my Craftsman 20390.
I also find that I need to stay at about 2/3 power, or I spin out.
Would chains help?
Will they damage grass?
Do they wear out if occasionally driven across driveways?
Which model and where to get them if recommended?
Thanks,
RickH
Paul Sikkema
@Rick, Chains will damage your grass and in my opinion they are the last resort. They do wear out but you would have to drive across your driveway for 10 years or more.
I suggest weights first. The page below will show you wheel weights or a back weight.
Before you go look at the accessories page there is another “tire Chain” that a lot of people like because it doesn’t tear up your turf and quickly as the steel chains.
These will also last years: TerraGrips Tire Chains 20×8-8
Here is a page with all the 42 inch accessories. The right chains and weights are listed there: 42 inch accessories
Sean
Hey Paul,
First off thanks for all the great info on the site!! But like so many others I have a “buying a new mower question” .
I have a 1 acre lawn with some slopes and trees (about 10) and have been looking to replace my 15 year old craftsman 42″ with either a Husky yt46ls or a husky yt42dxls. Can you tell me what the bid differences are in these mowers as I cant really find much online. Also i see you giving much kudos to the craftsman pro series should i look at these also?
Great site and thanks for all you do
Paul Sikkema
Hi Sean, Stay away from the YT42DXLS. I hear too many owners complaining about the cut of that 42 inch – 3 blade deck. They all complain about a horrible cut, not discharging well and the grass building up underneath.
The YT46LS has the automatic traction control and a Kawasaki engine. It also has the reinforced deck. The nice thing about the YT46LS is all of the standard 46 inch baggers, blades and mulch kits fit. If better traction is primarily what you want than this is a better choice than the Craftsman Pro. The YT46LS is a dealer only mower.
If you don’t need the locking diff respond back and I’ll go through the Pro compared to the Yard Series. Do you want a V-Twin or is a single cylinder engine ok?
Sean
Good question V-twin probably they run smoother and with less noise if i am correct but fuel economy suffers is that right?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Sean, The V-twin do run smoother but the singles are plenty powerful for most people. Typically a singe uses about 3/4 gallon an hour mowing and a twin uses a gallon.
If you just want a good mower with a good engine that bags, mulches and side discharges well the Craftsman 25081 is a good choice. It use the same blades and bagger as your old Craftsman so if you have any of that it can save you money upfront. The seed is controlled by a fender lever probably just like you old Craftsman.
Read my review here: 25081 Review
If you want a V-Twin the 20390 is a good choice. Again a 42 inch deck and a great engine. This one has a foot control and it will buzz around the yard at 7.5 mph. (It only mows about 4 mph)
Read my review here: 20390 Review
Both of these mowers have been around for at least a year and they are the most popular Craftsmans.
The Craftsman Pro is new this year and made by a different company than the two above. So nothing you have for the old one will fit. Yes, there is a lot of buzz about it and Consumer Reports gave it a very good rating for cut. It’s the most expensive of the three.
You can read my review here: Craftsman Pro Series Review.
Sean
Unfortunately or thankfully I have no accessories for the old mower. Thanks for all the help.
Sean
rebecca
Hi Paul. Thanks for all this info. I am in the market for a riding lawn mower. My yard is on the small side (1/4 acre) however we have lots of trees. I am looking for a machine that is good at bagging however not overkill for my size yard. I never had a riding lawnmower before. I am use to pushing my mower. My biggest things I am looking for are excellent bagging, reliability, and a cup holder for my Margarita. Any info would be helpful!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Rebecca, I have two suggestions. The Craftsman 30 inch rider and the Craftsman 420 cc Automatic rider. The 30 inch is the right size but you may feel more comfortable on the Automatic (it drives like you car)
Here is the tractor: 420cc Automatic 42” Riding Mower
Here is the bagger for it: 42–46 In. Cut 2-Bin Bagger
. If you order them together online you get free delivery, an extra 10% off the bagger and they should put the bagger on the mower for you (depends on the delivery teams) You can get an additional 5% off or no interest for 12 months with a Sears card. You can apply for the card during the checkout process.
Here is the 30 inch mower if you want to look at it: 420cc 30” 6-Speed Rear Engine Riding Mower – Non CA
and the bagger: 30″ Deck Bagger Neighborhood Rider
. Most of the time you may not want to bag. Craftsman has a mulch cover for this mower that works well. RER 30″ Mulch Plug
Rebecca
Hi Paul. Thank you so much for the info. I was researching online and a lot of the reviews are not happy with the rear motor lawn mowers although that would be perfect for my size yard. Is there a reason why? Also if I was to look at 42″ how do you feel about the Husqvarna YTH22V46. I do know Craftsman is rating extremely high as well. Bagging is a key feature. I do use my baggers a lot. Right now I am running a 21″ Troy built push mower.
Sorry I forgot I am located in South Bend IN
Paul Sikkema
Hi Rebecca, There is one rear engine rider that you should look at. It’s the Snapper RER. You can’t get it online – you have to go to a dealer. Snapper.com.
The YTH22V46 is a good motor with an average motor. The same mower (painted red) with longer lasting motor is the Craftsman 46 in. Turn Tight® Automatic Riding Mower
.
You can also get the YTH22V46’s first cousin at Home Depot. Ariens Lawn Mowers A20KA46 46 in. 20 HP KOHLER Automatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower 960460064
. This little Ariens has a great engine and a great price.
Tom J
Hi Paul, I love your site. Looking to replace my old Yardman with a 38″ rider. I don’t see many options out there but came across this mower. What do you think? Thanks, Tom from St. Paul, MN. Poulan Pro Pb145g38 Lawn Tractor with 38″ Deck, 14.5HP
Paul Sikkema
Hi Tom, No, 38 inch decks are a thing of the past. The replacements are all 42 inch. Plus they are getting a premium for the ones left. It’s either go to 42 inch or drop down to a 30 inch deck.
The best price I could find was 1309. Poulan Pro PB145G38 6-Speed Lawn Tractor, 38-Inch
You can buy the 2015 – 42 inch model for 1099. Poulan Pro PB145G38 6-Speed Lawn Tractor, 38-Inch
Poulan Pro 960420164 PB145G42 Briggs 14.5 HP 6-Speed Transmission Lever Cutting Deck Riding Mower, 42-Inch
Tom
Thanks Paul but what do think of the Poulan as a mower. Are the components, i.e enging, transmission good on this mower? Thanks so much….
Paul Sikkema
Hi Tom, I would buy a Poulan Pro myself. Here is my run-down of the line for 2015. Poulan Pro Review.
All tractors today are made by only 4 companies. Husqvarna makes the Poulan Pro, Ariens, Craftsman Yard Tractor and Husqvarna tractors and zero-turns. So 90% of the parts are the same. The big difference is the service and the engines. They are good, solid, mid-priced lawn tractors. Poulan Pro is now selling them through Amazon with free shipping and the Amazon guarantee. You would be surprised at how many they are selling.
Please go read the article and then I’ll be glad to answer any other questions you have.
Karen Freist
Hi Paul,
I just wanted to let you know that today I purchased the Cub Cadet XT1 46″ mower.
I got it from Tractor Supply with 18 months 0% financing and they threw in the dump cart! At the end I had it narrowed down to this one and the JD 125. I just really liked this CC better. I can’t wait to use it. I am also getting the additional mulch kit.
I want to thank you SO MUCH for all of your help and the valuable information that you freely give to everyone.
I couldn’t have made this decision without you.
Thank you again. You rock!!!!!!!
Karen Freist
Chesterfield, MI
Paul Sikkema
Hi Karen, You are very welcome. You will really like how well your new mower cuts. Please remember to read the manual, check the tire pressure and reduce them to 14 psi. Also grease the front wheels and spindles (4 grease jerks)
Feel free to stop back later and tell us how you like it!
Matt
Hi Paul and thanks for this great site !
I just purchased a home in Wisconsin with about 3 to 4 acres to tend to and there is a slight slope to most of the property. Do you still think that your comments about the Cub Cadet XT1 and the Craftsman Pro Series (46″) still apply today and for an acreage of this size ?..
And additionally, it is a bonus to have Sears come on site for repairs, How is the warranty repair experience for the Cub Cadet ?
(ie you had mentioned: “That leaves the Cub Cadet XT1 and it’s first cousin the Craftsman Pro Series. Consumer Reports just gave the 46 inch 24 HP Craftsman 20442 and the 46 inch 22 HP Cub Cadet 13APA1CT056 a 78 and 77 score. (highest score 78) The Craftsman has all the features of the XT1 plus it has a slightly better Kohler 7000 “Elite” motor and the 5 inch “Extreme” front steering. The XT1 has the Kohler 7000 and the 16 inch turning radius.”)
Thanks so much for your valuable comments !
Matt
Paul Sikkema
@Matt, The warranty service on a Cub Cadet is very dependent on the dealer. Since you are somewhere in Wisconsin you either are buying from Farm & Fleet or FleetFarm or a dealer. Farm & Fleet and Fleet Farm is OK for warranty work but you will have to go meet your local dealer and see if you like them for any other buying options.
46 is a little small for 3-4 acres, you may want to consider a 50 or 54 inch deck.
Matt
Thanks much for your reply!
I”m leaning hard towards the Craftsman Pro series then, and perhaps the 50″. But either of these models would suffice for a property with some sloping as far as durability, transmission etc ? Sorry for the multiple questions, , I’ve never bought a lawn tractor before and I wanted to be sure! If you think something in a heavier line would be better, what would you recommend ?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Matt, Keep asking – I’ll keep answering. I want you to be comfortable with your purchase.
Craftsman has three tractors with heavy duty Trans. The strongest is: Here is the 20403: 24HP 54″ Complete Start™ Turn Tight® Garden Tractor – Non CA
. If you buy online please use this link. I get a small commission from the sale.
The 2014 Pro Series. This is the same Husqvarna built tractor as the red one but has a Kohler engine and quik-change blades: Pro Series GT 54″ 26hp Hydrostatic Kohler Elite Garden Tractor – Non CA
Finally there is the 2015 Pro Series. This is made by MTD and uses the same heavy, stiff frame as the new Cub Cadet Enduro Series Tractors. The transmission is rated for ground engaging tasks but it is not quite as heavy as the other two. I’m sure it will work well and last for you though. The trans is a lot stronger than any of the lawn and yard tractor transmissions. The biggest thing I like about this mower for you is it is rated as the best cutting 54 inch deck. If you want a mower that mows the best and has a strong trans this is the best choice. Here’s the link to Sears: Pro Series 26 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 54″ Turn Tight Extreme Garden Tractor
Casey
Casey in Tomah WI
Great site I can believe how fast you are at answering questions. I am tore right now on what directions to go. I have Like 3 acres off HWY 16. There is a lot of mowing near the HWY and there is a high slope of about 3 feet that is steep in a few places. I would like to get a 54″ to really cut down the time of mowing. I do a lot of sweeping during the fall because I have a lot of very large Pine trees. I also pull a trailer with branches a few times a year. Should I go with a zero turn (I realize the hills could be a problem) or a regular tractor. With my old John Deere 46″ it takes me around 2 1/2 hours. I really don’t want to go back to a Deere because it is so expensive to replace anything on it and you have to special order. I kind of like cub cadet or the Husqvarna. I noticed on the Husqvarna you can attach a hitch. Can you do that with a cub, I didn’t see any holes in the bumper? I guess what I really need to know is which zero turn is better and which normal tractor is the best for my situation in the 54″ deck size.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Casey, The new 2015 Craftsman Pro is almost as agile as a zero-turn. (5 inch turning radius) It uses the same deck as the Cub Cadet ZTR. The trans is strong enough for your hills and will work better than a ZTR on hills.
Pro Series 26 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 54″ Turn Tight Extreme Garden Tractor
. It’s about the same price as the residential ZTRs but has the better Kohler 7000 Elite engine and a good, strong transmission.
There are a lot of aftermarket hitches. You just need to drill 3-8 or 1/2 inch holes. Universal Lawn Mower Hitch for Your ZTR (Zero Turn Mower)
renee
Great advice, thanks. Question, I’m getting ready to replace my 14 year old John Deere Sabre 1542. Has briggs and Stratton OHV engine that still runs great. I have been really happy with that mower and if it wasn’t for the fact that I have had to spend the last 2 years replacing the spindle on top of the transmission (no easy task)I wouldn’t even be looking to replace it. I love my John Deere but I’m leary of getting another one because of the transmission problem. Have the transmissions gotten better or do I need to leave my “brand loyalty” at the door and look elsewhere for a transmission with staying power? Thank you for your time.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Renee, The average life of a lawn tractor is 8 years so I feel your transmission did just fine. I don’t know what transmission was in the Sabre but the Sabre was never recognized as a high quality lawn tractor so 14 years out of one is way better than average.
I will suggest if you want the best transmission from John Deere please go to your local Deere dealer and look at the new X240 Sport Series. It is very similar in size to your 1542. You will be amazed at how much better it drives and mows. It also uses the most popular transmission put in lawn tractors. If you got 14 years out of a Sabre you can easily get that out of the X240.
The dealer may also show you the X300 models. Again they are designed to last much longer than the Sabre.
renee
Renee, Saginaw MI
thank you. It’s been a great lawnmower, tackled 3 acres for 14 years with just a few replacement parts. From reading your reviews ANYTHING I buy will be a step up. Lol
I really love a John Deere and would like another, glad to hear that 14 years was exceptional vs a let down. I guess I’m used to old school quality that lasts a long time, that’s why I chose a Deere to begin with.
Paul Sikkema
@Renee, Check out the X240. I have a feeling you will like it a lot.
renee
Checked out the S240 and yes, I really do like it. Problem is, the dealer is stearing me to the Husqvarna YT46LS and I really like that one too. Says it’s more tractor for the money. Thoughts?
Paul Sikkema
@renee, Since you pushed the comment button twice, I’ll answer you twice 🙂
My gut tells me that the S240 is the best for you. It appears you are going to a lawn & garden store since the dealer has both brands. If you have to find a John Deere farm equipment store and buy from them if this dealer is not the best for you.
Karen Freist
Paul and Craig from Michigan……I keep going back to Home Depot to look at these two mowers. I think they know me by name now.
I am not going to be adding any snow attachments, but I am really leaning heavily on that Cub Cadet.
I can’t find anything I dislike on that mower.
Right now there is standing water near my storage barn…..but I can hardly wait to get out there to see if the Cub’s 46″ deck will fit through the door!!!
Pretty sure this will be the deciding factor!! Lol
Karen Freist
Chesterfield Twp, MI
Craig
Hi Paul-
Great site. I’ve been researching for my new mower for weeks now and this is the best info I’ve found.
Building off Karen’s last question, I’ve narrowed down my choices to two: John Deere D125 & Cub Cadet XT1 LT46 – I keep going back and forth – can you give me your final choice between these two? The pros and cons specifically between them?
(yard is 3/4 acre, mostly flat, has two slopes on each side of house; will also use for snow plow of long driveway; will also use to lug debris around yard)
Thanks!
-Craig
Michigan
Paul Sikkema
Hi Craig, Neither one really has any cons when compared to each other. At this time I do like the Cub Cadet Lawn Mowers XT1 Enduro Series LT 46 in. 22 HP V-Twin Kohler Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower – California Compliant LT46 CARB
better than the Deere for the following reasons.
1. Cub Cadet is now using the same frame on all of their lawn tractors. That means this 46 inch is as tough as the 54 inch model.
2. Cub Cadet has a heavier duty transmission (k46) than the D125
3. Cub Cadet has a better front snow blade. You can also put the new 3 stage snow blower on the Cub Cadet
4. Consumer Reports really liked the cut of this new Cub Cadet 46 inch deck, (77 with a top rating of 78). They rate the cut of the D125 lower (75)
Craig
Thanks, Paul. Great points!
I was leaning to the Cub as well, but really wanted your opinion. Not to mention, the Cub is $100 less, a bit more HP, few inches larger cut…reasons that alone shouldn’t impact the buy, but with what you said above, makes the decision…
As far as the Trans, the Deere has a K40 and I have read bad reviews of it failing. Have you hard the same? The K46 I hope is more reliable.
One last question, the Kohler engine in the Cub – does it live up to the hype as one of the best engines? That’s everything that I have read about it.
-Craig
Ply Twp, Michigan
Paul Sikkema
@Craig, The K46 is reliable. Over a million are installed in new mowers each year. The only people having issues with the K46 are people who constantly mow hills or pull hundreds of 500 lb loads uphill. As a lawn tractor transmission for your normal suburban yard it will do fine.
I like the Kohler 7000. With this model they fixed the issues that made the previous Kohler Courage get poor reviews. They also improved the air cleaning and fuel systems.
Karen Freist
Hi Paul:
Thanks for your very quick answers to my questions.
I have a few more for you, so please bear with me as I’m trying to educate myself. Lol
I am looking at comparisons between the John Deere D125 and the Cub Cadet Xt1 Enduro. Both are 42″ cuts.
One of my questions is about engine displacement….with the John Deere being 656 and the Cub Cadet being 597. I am assuming that the JD will use slightly more gas, but is there any huge difference in performance between the two?
Also I am wanting to know the difference in the Kohler engine versus the OEM? Is one more durable or longer lasting than the other?
I will be installing a mulch kit on whichever mower I decide to go with and would like to know if these mowers do well with mulching grass and quite a fair amount of leaf drop in the fall.
Just two more questions……I promise. Lol
Two deck wheels versus four….does this have any bearing on the cut or performance of the deck?
And finally……. JD weighs in at 436 and the Cub at 580! This seems like a big difference. Is heavier better, or doesn’t it really matter??
I want to thank you again for ALL of your help and my somewhat dumb questions. I truly appreciate all that you do and all the help you give.
I have my choices narrowed down to these two. I will miss my Simplicity Broadmoor but just cannot justify spending that kind of money. It served me well for the last 20 years, but money is tighter these days.
Thank you again.
Karen Freist
Chesterfield Twp, MI
Paul Sikkema
Hi Karen, To answer your questions. The Cub Cadet is a single cylinder, the D125 is a twin. By the way-there is never a dumb question here.
The 46 inch version of the Cub Cadet deck just got very high marks by Consumer reports for mulching, bagging and side discharge. This mower has the V-Twin like the D125 Cub Cadet Lawn Mowers XT1 Enduro Series LT 46 in. 22 HP V-Twin Kohler Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower – California Compliant LT46 CARB
. No one has independently tested the 42 inch deck yet.
The John Deere D125 gets a “average” for mulching. There are worse decks and there are better decks. The better decks are the Cub Cadet 46 inch, The Craftsman Pro 46 inch and the X300 John Deere 42 inch decks.
Those deck wheels are just there so if you hit something like a tree root sticking out of the ground the deck should roll over it. The rear roller is not really needed.
Don’t believe the specs written on Home Depot or other retail sites. 580 is probably the shipping weight. The actual weight of the tractor is 410 lbs.
Jay
Hi Paul,
I found your site as the top result for a “best lawn tractor for the money” search on Google. Thank you for making your research available to the public, lots of great info on here. My wife and I recently purchased a home on 1.5 acres in the SC Lowcountry so the lawn is flat and occupies about half of the property which is surrounded by trees. I am looking for a good value lawn tractor in the $1k-2K range and I would appreciate your advice.
1. Lawn gets a LOT of leaves, pinecones and seeds year round so wondering if any models can mulch or bag to handle that.
2. Will be using attachments such as a trailer for hauling firewood from felling and trimming trees on the property.
3. Tight turning radius would be a plus but not a priority. Plenty of obstacles in the lawn, e.g. trees, landscaping, etc. Plan to create beds that can be edged and mowed around.
4. Brand name, higher speeds, large deck width and non-manual transmission types are not a priority. Just want a dependable product that will do the job and last with proper home maintenance.
I have been looking at the Craftsman light duty models but I also like what you wrote about Poulan Pro. The PP PB185A42 and Craftsman 20373 look appealing but I wonder if the upgrades from those are worth it. Thank you in advance for your help.
Jay (Mount Pleasant, SC)
Paul Sikkema
Hi Jay, I am going to suggest a little more expensive tractor. This tractor I am suggesting has a few better features that will work well for your lawn.
Here is a link to the tractor: Craftsman 25083
The Craftsman 25083 has:
-The 46 inch deck has better lift and throw for bagging.
available. These blades lift and throw into a bagger well but they also chew leaves into little, tiny pieces. This lets’ you put a lot more leaves into the bagger before you have to empty it and if you are composting also chews the leaves up so they decompose faster.
-More blade options. The 20373 is limited to side discharge or mulching blades. In addition the 25083 has the 46 in. Advanced Mulching and Bagging Blade Set
-More bagging options. The 20373 is limited to one 2-bin bagger. The bagger does not like wet grass. The 25083 has a 2 bin and a 3 bin available. Both baggers fill completely and the 3 bin offers 50% more capacity over a two bin.
2 bin: 6 bushel 2 – bin Soft Bagger for 46″ Deck Lawn Tractors
3 bin: 9 bushel 3 – Bin Soft Bagger for 46″ Deck Lawn Tractors
The 20373 does not have cruise. You have to keep you foot on the pedal all the time. For 1.5 acres that can be tiring. The 25083 has a fender mounted speed control. It stays in place (like a cruise)
The 25083 has the 6 inch Turn-Tight. This tighter turning radius will make a big difference in the time it takes to trim around trees and shrubs.
It also has a better engine. The Craftsman Platinum is rated for a 25% longer life than the Gold in the 20373
The 25083 is only $300 more.
Jay
Hi Paul,
I can’t thank you enough for the thorough explanation and sound advice. Everything that you said makes perfect sense. I just pulled the trigger on the 25083 along with the 3-bin bagger and mulching blades that you recommended.
I also purchased the 17cf steel dump cart. It’s rated for a lot of weight but I’d like to know how much weight this tractor can tow over flat land without overtaxing the drivetrain. What do you think?
Thanks,
Jay
Paul Sikkema
@ Jay, before you take that steel cart home read this article and watch the videos. Craftsman has a new cart that blows the metal ones away. OxCart Review.
My Opinion: In reality the working weight on that steel cart is about 500 lbs. They rate it so high because it has a one inch axle. The metal of the box itself is to thin and you’ll twist it into a pretzel if you load it with 1200 lbs. (don’t yell at Craftsman – all the manufactures try to push the ratings so you think you are getting the biggest and baddest)
You can pull 500 lbs without ever overtaxing the 25083.
Jay
Hi Paul,
Once again, thank you for the excellent advice. The stronger hitch on the OxCart is reason enough to make the upgrade. With all of the other benefits, it’s a no-brainer. The Craftsman version of the OxCart appears to be well worth the extra $$ so I modified my online order accordingly.
Jay (Mount Pleasant, SC)
tom persons
Just do not get a Briggs and Stratton engine. Craftsman will last about two years and the the head gasket blows(Briggs and Stratton) The head will be hard to repair and it may not be repairable. Check Youtube and or look up the mower type you are looking at and see what others have the best results with. Portland Ore.
Paul Sikkema
@Tom, I disagree. I can’t see those trends at all. The current Intek series has a habit of failing on hills in 3 to 5 years but we know that you shouldn’t buy the cheapest equipment anyway if you have hills. If you have a flat lawn it does very well. The current Intek Plus and Pro’s don’t have any issues over the life of the motor.
Don’t throw a Brand under the bus with a Manufacture when you make a generalized negative claim. You do know that the same engine is used in all brands including John Deere, Troy-Bilt, Craftsman, Husqvarna and so on? The Brands are very aware of issues with manufactures and if there is a trending problem you can be assured the issue is either fixed or that manufacture (in this case an engine manufacture) will not be supplying engines to that brand later on.
It’s actually more surprising how many people writing reviews and making videos that don’t even know what brand of engine they are dissing. I’ve seen many posts where a person is slamming a product, shows a picture of the product, and it’s not actually the product. In addition, the real fact is a person is 100 times more likely to leave a negative review if they have a problem than a person who likes the product will leave a positive review. Check Youtube or look up those facts and you will see that is true.
The Kohler Courage twin had the head gasket/valve cover gasket issue but if your engine was going to have a problem it was usually in the first 50 hours of use. The Kohler 7000 that replaced it has fixed that issue.
Just remember 2 or even 50 issues that you may find on a “Briggs & Stratton” don’t always mean that “Craftsman” or the motor is a “don’t buy.” Briggs sells a million or more engines a year so even 50 engines is not a defect.
Jon
Paul, first thanks for managing this site. I have learned a lot just reading your responses. I rent a home with a 1 acre lawn that slopes from a frontage road to a creek in back. My best efforts at estimating slope get me an average of just under 10 degrees with a high of 15 in spots. I gather I need to pay attention to transmission and was looking at the locking differential models of the huskvarna ls, or cub cadet second tier with the fabricated deck. In your opinion is this a better option than a john Deere 160 or compatible craftsman with the regular k46 transmission? Am I on the right track? Salesmen keep telling me I need a zero turn but from reading your site and consumer reports I am hesitant to go that route. If I need to spend more that 2600 to get something that will hold up I will probably just push now it. Thanks! -Jon from Lexington VA.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Jon, For one acre and a transmission that will handle the hills you can easily get by with a Craftsman 19HP Briggs & Stratton 46” Riding Mower – Non CA
. Instead of spending twice that amount on a tractor with automatic traction control this one will work most of the time. If you do get into a time where the lawn is to wet to drive up it just add a set of tire chains. The chains won’t tear up your lawn and will give you the traction to mow that slope.
Here are the chains: Tire Chains for 20″ x 8″ x 8″ Wheels
By the way, the deck on this mower is one of the best cutting decks on the market.
Steve Nelson
Good reviews. I sold my 17 year Craftsman 42″ tractor last year. I’m good for one more :} I’ve been doing a fair amount of reading on choices. I have 2 neighbors that bought the
husqvarna YTH22V46 last year and really like them. I was leaning that way (I want a 46″)…and then my CR came yesterday…rating the 46″ 20442 model very high. Thus I ended up here. the Pro Series Craftsman is about $500 more than the Husqvarna, but the YTH model is rated 18 to the CM #2. I don’t have a problem coughing up the more money, but is there really $500 more quality in the new Craftsman model?
Steve Nelson
Ishpeming, MI
Paul Sikkema
Hi Steven, The YTH is just a price point tractor. The box store selling it knows there are a group of people only buy on price and they don’t care if they are buying a quality tractor. The Red Craftsman’s have better motors. The 20442 has an even better engine with the Kohler 7000 Elite. This new Craftsman Pro has the better engine, a really stiff frame, a 5 inch turning radius and the best cutting deck according to CR. In other words there is $500 more tractor in both features and benefits with that tractor.
Now there is a middle ground. If you really liked your old Craftsman take a look at the 42 inch 20390 and the 48 inch 20391. These mowers are the repalcement to your old tractor. They have a better motor, better transmission, better steering and are easier to get on and off.
Steve Nelson
Well, I bit the bullet and bought the 20442 Craftsman. It’s a bit more machine than I actually need, but may as well go out in style! Thanks
Karen Freist
Thanks Paul, for your reply to my questions. I have been out looking at the mowers that you recommended and I like them all, but I kind of have it narrowed down to the John Deere D125 and the Cub Cadet.
However, I would like to know what you think about the John Deere D130 VTwin that is a Lowes exclusive??
It is all very confusing, but I need to make a choice soon. Lol
I was told that Lowes and Home Depot should be having their spring sale soon, so I was hoping to decide by then. I am planning on going to Sears to look at that other mower one more time.
What can I say…..I’m a woman and am having trouble making up my mind!!!!!
I have been reading so many reviews that just make it even more confusing.
Thanks SO MUCH for your help.
Karen Freist
Chesterfield Twp, Mi
Paul Sikkema
Hi Karen, You are actually doing pretty well making this large decision. I have some guys who have been trying to make up their mind for a year now…..
Do yourself a favor – quit reading reviews. The problems with online reviews is they are written by angry customers, they are written on the wrong machine, They are written for last years model, they are aggregate reviews – meaning one person writes a review and 20 websites (including some of the retailers) all use that one review. Beware of website reviews on a lawn tractor where there are 200-400 or more reviews.
My favorite review this year is one website had 76 reviews of an new mower – the problem was that the mower had not even been made yet.
Stick with Consumer Reports, Consumersearch.com and continue to ask me questions. The three of us will help you sort it all out.
Lowes has the D130, Home Depot has the D125. They are the same mower with just a couple of changes so you can’t price match the two stores. Lowes NEVER includes tractors in their spring sale.
When looking at repairs Sears always comes to your home for warranty work. At Home Depot warranty work on a John Deere is done by a local John Deere dealer near you.
Lowes may use a local dealer or a repair center. I am unclear why they don’t always use the John Deere dealer for repairs. ABOVE ALL do not buy the extended warranty at Lowes on a John Deere. The company Lowes uses for extended warranties only has 28 service centers in the U.S. They ship your mower to one of these repair centers and there it sits.
Doug (Allentown, PA)
Hi, thanks for all your info. I have about 1/2 acre, mostly flat yard in Allentown, PA. Which would you recommend of these three.
1. Craftsman Model # 13AL78XT099 46″ 19 HP Briggs and Stratton.
2. Ariens A20VA46 46 in. 20 HP V-Twin Briggs
3. Snapper ST1842 42 inch 18.5 HP Briggs.
They are all approximately the same price.
Thank you!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Doug, I’m not a big fan of the Snapper. In my opinion it should retail for $300 less than it does for the features it offers.
The Craftsman is made by MTD, the Ariens buy Husqvarna. Both are automatics’s. The Ariens has cruise. I don’t have a preference myself.
The Ariens you list is a 2014 model. It may not be available at all locations. Here is the 2014 model. Ariens Lawn Mowers A20KA46 46 in. 20 HP KOHLER Automatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower 960460064
The Craftsman cuts very well. 19HP Briggs & Stratton 46” Riding Mower – Non CA
. One advantage of Sears is they come to your home for repairs. With the Ariens you have to take it to a repair center. There should be a repair center in Allentown.
Doug (Allentown, PA.)
Thank you for your reply Paul. I’ve taken your info and have been doing a lot of research on the Craftsman and Ariens, and have crossed the Snapper off my list. I was curious what you thought about the Cub Cadet XTZ1 Enduro – 42 inch 18HP. I have read all the stuff about the improvements Cub Cadet has made for 2015, however this model still has the Kohler Courage engine — should I stay away from that? I don’t really have any experience with lawn tractors other than what I have read, and I haven’t read much good stuff about the Courage.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Doug, Kohler is still using the Courage name for the single cylinder models but the engines are new. The model number of the engine ends in 1. That said, it was the twins that everyone complained about. The head gasket or valve cover leaked on the right cylinder. The Courage single cylinder engines are great. They are the smoothest running single.
The Cub Cadet Lawn Mowers XT1 Enduro Series LT 42 in. 18 HP Kohler Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower LT42
uses the new Courage 18 hp single.
Doig
Great, thank you so much for the info!
JB
Marshfield, WI Response to John Koehl. Please read my reply to Eric on April 1. I had the same questions in April of last year. I bought the 2 bag system and it works very well provided the grass is not wet or dewy. No bagger works with wet grass.
JB
Marshfield, WI
I was asking the same questions last year at this time and Paul recommended the 42″ T3000 model 20390. I researched a lot of mowers and read the same comments on the Sears website. I bought the 20390 and have to say it was a good purchase. It climbs hills, the foot gas pedal is not a problem at all and the bagger is better than my old heavy duty John Deere. Successful bagging is part equipment and part common sense. If you bag when the grass it wet you will have problems no matter what brand. If you pay attention to how full the bags are getting while you are mowing you won’t have problems. I reach behind and feel the bag as I mow and can tell how full they are. Simple but it works.
I like the mower and I move several lawns in the neighborhood. The only glitch I have encountered is once in a great while the mow refuseds to start. It seemed to be the pressure switch on the seat and I believe I have it solved. nk
Paul Sikkema
@JB Thanks Neighbor 🙂
Harv Basler
Harv in Beausejour MB Canada…Hi Paul. I really wanted to buy the 20390, but it is not available in Canada. I have no idea why there would be totally separate models up here, so I ordered a model 60433, which has the 22 hp Platinum engine, turn tight, 46″ deck, black in color, with a hydrostatic. I cut 1.5 acres, perfectly flat, with some trees on one side of the lawn.
Do you have any idea which trans this tractor has? This mower will only mow grass. I guess I do have some concerns about the trans, but could not get CVT with the rest of the features I wanted.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Harv, according to the Sears.ca page it has the CVT (I can tell by the foot control) When you get it look under the rear. The CVT trans is black, a hydrostatic transmission is silver. As far as I know that is a 20390 painted black for Sears.ca.
p.s. I wish we could get all the big box stores to have the same person who orders the tractors write up the sales literature and the sales page on the websites. EVERY website (sears, sears.ca homedepot, homedepot.ca, lowes, lowes.ca, build.com, tractorsupply) They all have mistakes.
Harv Basler
Harv in Beausejour, MB. Thanks Paul, I will let you know when it comes in, for your own information.
Harv Basler
Harv in Beausejour MB…Nope it has Tuff Torq K46BT, so it is totally different from any USA model. So in Canada you can’t get a pedal operated CVT with Turn Tight over 18.5 single. It does run great however.
Andy Naughton
Paul, first off, this is a great site and I’ve enjoyed reading your reviews and answers. This spring I will be replacing a 2006 Poulan Pro with a B&S Intek 22hp. The engine died on me towards the end of last year.
This will be used to mow my roughly 2 acre, somewhat hilly yard, and perhaps light towing work (sticks, brush, etc). Primarily mowing grass, but I’d also ask it to go through some leaves every now and then. I live in River Falls, WI, but I won’t be asking this new machine to be doing any snow removal for me.
The 48″ deck isn’t a requirement, I’d be find going down to 42″ or 46″.
I’ve been looking at the Ariens Lawn Tractor 46, the John Deere D125, and the Cub Cadet XT1. Whichever I end up with, I will be getting a bagging system as well. From what I can tell pricing them out, they all price about roughly the same (give or take).
Which of those three would you recommend based on my intended use? Or is there another that I should be considering over the three of these?
Thank you in advance for responding to this question!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Andy, If your hills are like the ones by I-94 I want to steer you away from the D125. It’s a great mower but has the lightest transmission of the 3 you picked.
The Ariens has the strong CVT but the engine is a Briggs Intek. For hills I recommend the Intek Plus or the Kohler 7000. The Intek Plus and the Kohler have the best internal lubrication for long life on hills.
That leaves the Cub Cadet XT1 and it’s first cousin the Craftsman Pro Series. Consumer Reports just gave the 46 inch 24 HP Craftsman 20442 and the 46 inch 22 HP Cub Cadet 13APA1CT056 a 78 and 77 score. (highest score 78) The Craftsman has all the features of the XT1 plus it has a slightly better Kohler 7000 “Elite” motor and the 5 inch “Extreme” front steering. The XT1 has the Kohler 7000 and the 16 inch turning radius.
I’ve written an article on the Craftsman but I haven’t gotten the Cub Cadet article done yet. Here is the Craftsman article: 2015 Craftsman Pro Series Tractors – The Future Is Here.
Sears has free delivery on the Craftsman through this online link: Pro Series 24 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 46″ Turn Tight Extreme Riding Mower
. It won’t be available until the 3rd week in April. If you don’t want to deal with the Hometown store there in Hudson you can use one of the St Paul Stores for the delivery.
Home Depot has the Cub Cadet in stock at Hudson so if you buy through this link you can pick it up tomorrow; Cub Cadet Lawn Mowers XT1 Enduro Series LT 46 in. 22 HP V-Twin Kohler Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower – California Compliant LT46 CARB
Andy Naughton
Paul. Thank you for the response. I wouldn’t say that I am holding downhill skiing competitions in my yard, but I’m still guessing that the hills played a big role in the demise of my previous mower (which had the Briggs Intek). That said, thank you for the recommendation to avoid the Deere due to the weaker transmission, and the Ariens due to the Briggs (though in my research I thought Ariens had the Kohler?).
I’m liking what I hear about the new Craftsman Pro. The link you posted was for the 46″ version with the 24 hp Kohler Elite. That is a little more than I was looking to spend, and the 42″ with the 22 hp Kohler Elite is a bit closer to what I had budgeted. If I step down to the 42″, is there anything else that I would be losing aside from the 4″ and 2 hp?
When comparing the 42″ Craftsman Pro to the Cub Cadet XT1, the Craftsman is still pricing out about $300 more. Simply put, is it worth $300 more than the Cub Cadet?
Last question. If I end up going the Cub Cadet route, is there any difference between buying at Home Depot versus buying at Tractor Supply? Or does it just come down to personal preference?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Andy, Ariens has two 46 inch models at Home Depot. One with a 22 HP Briggs Intek and the other a 20 HP Kohler. I don’t know if the Kohler is the new 7000 series or the older Courage. The 7000 is ok.
Is the Craftsman worth $300. That’s your call. It has a slightly better engine and the 5 inch Extreme Turn-Tight Steering. I haven’t gone into the parts listings to see what else is different but I know it is aimed at the XT2 not the XT1 series. *I don’t know the difference in XT1 and XT2 models enough yet.
Consumer Reports did not test the 42 inch XT1 or Craftsman Pro but they did test the Troy-Bilt 42 inch zero-turn which uses the same deck. They liked the cut a lot.
I wish I had a Tractor Supply in my area. They are a great company to work with. I checked Inver Grove and they may have to order it in. Here is a link for them if you want to buy online: Cub Cadet XT1 Enduro Series 46 in. 22 HP V-Twin Hydrostatic Riding Mower
John Koehl
Paul, I had a 1984 Honda 3810 lawn tractor (38 in. cut) which is being retired. I have been looking at 42 inch mowers with a bagging system. I have been trying to decide between a tractor or a zero-turn. I have a residential yard, and then a back lot with a garage across the street that is about 3/4 of an acre. Both areas do not have a lot of trees or a lot of areas to maneuver around but Both areas are fenced in so the corners are hard to cut. I have been reading your articles on what type of mower you need and the article on the Craftsman tractor 42″ T3000 model 20390. I went to the Sears website and read all the reviews and I was not impressed with the reports of the problems customers were having. In particular the new transmission problems, the foot gas pedal being to high where you have to keep your foot in the air, bagging system bags not made properly. I get more confused as I read more articles and learn more. I have a few questions for you. What type of mower with bagging system should I get? Lawn tractor or Zero turn? What brand and model in a 42″ do you suggest? I have been looking at the Simplicity Regent Lawn Tractor 22/42 with bagger for a price of $2,534 plus tax. What do you think of this machine? What would be better in this price range? What are your thoughts in comparing the Simplicity Regent Lawn Tractor 22/42 with bagger with the above Craftsman 42″ T3000 model 20390 with bagger for $2,010 Plus tax?
Thank You,
John Koehl La Salle MI
Paul Sikkema
Hi John, I couldn’t find the comment on Sears about the bad bagger. In my opinion the Simplicity Regent 22/42 would be a great mower at around $1500. I can’t figure out why they have to charge so much for it.
Zero-turn mowers are great but when you put a bagger on them they can be very hard to maneuver in close spaces and inside corners. I know many owners who break their baggers because they tried to trim that inside corner and the caught the bagger on the fence. If you are learning to use a zero-turn and have a bagger on it something is going to get torn up (ask my wife)
If you are looking for a tractor without the high foot control (CVT) and a good bagging system the options are:
At Sears: Craftsman Pro Series 22 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 42″ Turn Tight Extreme Riding Mower
At Home Depot: John Deere Lawn Mowers D125 42 in. 20 HP V-Twin Hydrostatic Front-Engine Riding Mower BG20709
At Home Depot: Cub Cadet Lawn Mowers XT1 Enduro Series LT 42 in. 18 HP Kohler Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower LT42
John Koehl
Paul, thanks for the info on the Zero-Turn. I was surprised you did not defend the Craftsman tractor 42″ T3000 model 20390. I checked out the Craftsman Pro Series 22HP V Twin Kohler Elite 42″ above on Sears website and there are 0 reviews on this product. Also, this mower you can not tow, or put snow blade on it, and no cruise control. It also stats this machine is for: ” Kohler Consistent-Cut (TM) technology excels in tall grass, and hilly terrain, for the perfect cut”. My lawn is not hilly and I plan to cut my grass regurlarly. I am still lost.
John Koehl La Salle MI
Paul Sikkema
Hi John, there are 0 reviews because the tractor won’t ship until the 15th of April. It does have cruise. The listing on Sears.com is wrong. There is a lever in the center of the dash. You pull up on it to set the parking brake and push down on it to set the cruise.
Direct quote from Craftsman. “We will have as many attachments as possible.” They just don’t have them ready to sell at this date. I know they are planning on a snow blade.
Recommended Terrain: Flat, Hilly, Obstacles. It will work great on flat normal lawns and they also recommend it for tall grass and hilly terrain. What that means is if your lawn gets a little long it will cut it just fine. Hilly terrains is anything less than 15 degrees.
What they mean by hauling equipment is they make a Front Tractor Scoop
for the 917. Garden tractors. That will not fit.
John Koehl
Paul, I went to sears and checked out the Craftsman tractor 42″ T3000 model 20390 again. I wish I could have driven it but couldn’t. If I would go with it, does the bagging system work well?? It has a 2 bag that hold 6 bushels or a 3 bag that holds 9 bushels. Does the 3 bag work well? Which would you suggest? Also, went back to try the Simplicity Regent 42/22. Still in a dilemma on any type to buy.
Thanks John Koehl La Salle, MI
Paul Sikkema
Hi John, The bagging system works very well for normal grass clippings and leaves. I like the little red spinner in the intake tube. When it stops spinning the bagger is full. Combined with the advanced mulching blades, the blades chew up leaves into little tiny pieces and it will fill the bagger full.
No bagger works well on wet grass. I always suggest waiting until the dew is off and the grass has dried off from a rain before the bagger will blow the grass into the bagger and fill it.
One comment on the 3 bin. It’s a lot wider than the tractor. So if you have a lot of bushes or fences to mow along you will constantly catch it on things. If you feel you need a 3 bin bagger consider going to a 46 or 48 inch deck.
David J
hey Paul,
I wanted to ask you about the mulching capability of the John Deere.
My dad purchased a JD X300 last year and likes most things about it, but it does not seem to mulch as well as his old Toro Wheelhorse mower.
I actually have his old Toro and mow my 1 acre with it and it still does a great job of mulching St Augustine grass and leaves.
Have you noticed the JD does not mulch as well as others?
Paul Sikkema
Hi David, Does your Dad have the mulch kit installed? I agree the older (mid 90’s) Toro’s really mulched well. Does your’s have the extra blade at 90 degrees to the main blade?
Mulching is more of an art than a science. It is really hard for the manufactures to make a deck that side-discharges, bags and mulches all well. Most owners here in the U.S. side discharge or bag so that is where the companies put their main focus. (In Europe, most mulch so the decks over there are very different from ours)
To get the best mulching with the Deere always mow high, 3 inches or higher. Only mow off about an inch or 1 1/2 inches at a time. This may require you to mow two times a week during the spring.
I’ve had good luck using the baffles and Oregon Gator Blades. Here is a typical pair Set Of 3, Gator 3-in-1 Mulching Blades
The Gator blades chew up the grass and make leaves disappear.
David J
Hi Paul,
Yes my dad had John Deere install the mulching kit prior to delivery. It just doesn’t seem to mulch as well as the 2000 Toro Wheelhorse. I also have a Toro push mower for using close around the house and pool. I just feel like the Toro mowers have a better designed deck for mulching. My daughter is using my 15 old Toro psuh mower and it still works great as well. I’m gonna run this thing until it completely dies. I rebuilt the front suspension and the steering shaft and this thing steers like new. Motor still runs great with very little oil leakage. My dad took very good care of it and so do I. When it does die one day, I may take your advice on the Husqvarna…does it mulch well?
thanks
Paul Sikkema
@David, I have a Husqvarna 970 and the new R 220T uses the same deck. It mulches perfectly. It chews the grass into very small pieces and drives them down into the turf.
troy
Great website by the way. I live in ( the middle is no where, Raven VA) Instead of an exhausting search, my question is … I need a tractor that will mow, ( even mow a small hill but is grater than 25 deg), , snow blow and plow off top soil and small rocks. What do you suggest? Great quality is a must. Try to keep it under 4K.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Troy, Here is a chart to make sure you and I mean the same thing when you say 25 degrees.
There is nothing on the market that is rated for over 15 degrees for under $10,000. In fact 25 degrees most people can’t walk up it comfortably. When you get that steep I suggest a DRpower walk-behind brush mower or a string trimmer.
Most Garden Tractors will handle a snow blower and you can add a rear sleeve hitch for digging in the ground. The Craftsman Garden tractors also have dozer blade that can move loose soil.
It actually sounds like you need a small compact tractor.
rainsc
Paul,
First of all, thanks for providing so much information in your reviews. Last season, my 2005 DGT6500 Kohler 54″ bit the dust (engine is toast). I mow a hilly 2 acres with minimal obstacles, rough terrain, and a couple of severe slopes that I dont think would work out on a zero-turn. Like everyone else, I’m just trying to get the best bang for my buck: the best price/quality/longevity. Currently, I’m considering a used John Deere X500 (if i can find one at the right price/hours), the Craftsman GT5500, and the Raven mpv 7100. From what I understand, the x500 is the best money can buy and may even be overkill for my residential property. From what I have read, you recommend Kohlers for those of us with hilly terrain and the gt5500 has the B&S platinum. The Raven is only 46” but seems to be up to the task of tackling my property. I have no immediate use for the generator, and no plans to drive it other than in my own yard. For Kentucky snow, i’m interested in the plow attachment that is in the works for the Raven. I will be adding a mulcher attachment to whichever unit I purchase and from your reviews, it sounds like the new Craftsman is no better than my old one. Other than pulling a load and possibly plowing some driveways, I have no other intention to use the mower for anything other than cutting grass. Obviously, I prefer the price of the craftsman, the quality of the john deere, and the ingenuity of the Raven. I know you can’t make my decision for me, but I was hoping you could provide some insight! Is there anything else you think I should be looking at? The cub cadet XT1? Troy-bilt Pivot or the like?
Thanks,
-Chris
Frankfort, KY
Paul Sikkema
@rainsc, I’m sorry, your comment got caught in my spam filter. I don’t recommend the Briggs Intek engines for hills. The Briggs Intek Plus/Craftsman Plainum/Briggs Professional engines have the internal lubrication to handle the slopes. The oil systems in those engines and the new Kohler 7000 are better than your old 2005 Kohler.
Yes, the X500 is nice but you can buy two Craftsman Garden Tractors for what that one costs. If your old Craftsman lasted 10 years I agree that you really don’t need the X500.
Take a look at the 2015 Craftsman Pro Series. It is a completely new tractor that I feel will fit well for you. (It’s made by MTD and uses the same chassis as the XT2) Here is my initial article. Craftsman Pro. There will be a snow blade available for this one.
Instead of the Pivot I suggest the Cub Cadet Lawn Mowers 54 in. Fabricated Deck 25 HP V-Twin Dual-Hydro Zero-Turn Riding Mower with Steering Wheel Control RZT-S 54 FAB
. For only $100 more you get a fabricated deck and a much larger dealer network if you ever need service. No snow blade is in the works for this one but Agri-Fab has a good blade for ZTRs that’s around $700.
Raven has a blade in the works but it won’t see the light of day this year. The Raven has a lot of weight in the rear so it is really good on hills. If you get the Raven at Lowes go with the Black version, The seat on it makes that mower one of the best riding mowers on the market. The seat back is the highest you can get, it has a lot of padding and the back is adjustable. It’s like sitting in a nice executive office chair.
rainsc
Your feedback is greatly appreciated! I’ve read through so many of your reviews and I’ve learned so much. I’m guessing of the Pro series I should lean towards the closest match to my old dgt6500, the 20445 GT 54″ with the bigger tires, improved mulching capabilities, and extras, add in the service plan you recommend and I’m up around $4k after the 5% discount. I’m wondering if the craftsman club saver days coming up will alter the price any. Then again, I’ve still got the Raven on my mind… It’s just so different. From what I’ve read it has a standard 3 year warranty, but there’s just not much info out on them. I’m thinking the black one with the high back seat is $4500. It does have over 2x the turning radius of the Craftsman and a significantly smaller deck. If I do settle for what I know, I hope the craftsman can mulch better than my last one. Thanks for all you do. You’re really one of a kind.
-Chris
Frankfort, KY
Paul Sikkema
Hi Chris, Actually the Craftsman 20403 24HP 54″ Complete Start™ Turn Tight® Garden Tractor – Non CA
is the direct replacement to your Husqvarna built DGT6500. All your accessories and even the blades will fit. Yes it still has the blow by of your old deck when you mulch. It’s a great side discharge and bagging deck. It doesn’t do mulching well.
It has:
a new hood,
an upgraded motor,
the 6 inch turning radius,
your transmission – but it now goes 8 mph
push button start – otherwise it’s the same tractor.
The new Pro model is made by MTD and is based on the new XT2 Cub Cadet Chassis. Consumer Reports really liked the cut, mulch and bag. But none of your old attachments will fit.
The Raven – The only complaint I have with the Raven is where the choke control is. It’s back on the engine so it takes two people to start it when it’s cold outside. Otherwise this one and everyone I know about have been flawless. I really like the cut. I use mine for mowing, hauling a cart and running around the neighborhood. I have a grocery store about 1/2 mile away and a wide bike shoulder on my road so I use it to zip down there for groceries. Except when mowing I use the electric mode. It’s really fun to creep through the trails in the woods behind us in electric mode. The squirrels and other wildlife barely notice.
Lou
Paul,
I have about 3 acres to mow, one little hill on the property – the rest is pretty flat. Where I live, the mowing season is about 5-6 months of the year. I am looking for a dependable tractor that can pull a cart, but its main job is simply mowing. I want one that will last, needs minimal maintenance, is easy to start and operate, and will do a good job without having to overlap cutting like I do now. Of course, the least expensive the better in my situation, but quality is important. I would like to stay in the range below $2800 if possible, but if you have suggestions for a more expensive one that I can buy used, that might also be a possibility. Thanks for your suggestions!
Lou
I should have specified what is pulled in the cart. Sometimes mulch. My old John Deere riding mower that I purchased from Home Depot in 2010 or so had no problem pulling that. But as those tractors seem to do, 4 yrs seems to be the best you can get out of them
Paul Sikkema
@Lou, If you want to stick with a 48 inch deck the Craftsman 22 HP V-Twin 48″ Turn Tight Fast Riding Mower – Non CA
is another good choice.
It’s a lawn tractor with the 20 inch tires – it has a strong transmission and it mows well.
Lou
Thanks for your recommendation Paul! I do have one question. I see you don’t really seem to recommend John Deere much. Consumer Reports gives it high marks for repairs, and I had actually been considering the John Deere D140 $1999, which had a 4.3 out of 5* on Home Depot site, which is higher than what buyers rated the Craftsman. It says it is 48″, 22 HP V-twin John Deere branded Hydrostatic front engine. (I saw that you recommended different engines that lasted longer in an earlier reply to someone, in which you included the John Deere brand engine in models costing over $1800). What do you think of the D140 model riding tractor? Thanks!
Paul Sikkema
@Lou, This is turning out to be a “fun” season. I am so busy writing answers to comments that I can’t get all my reviews done. I still have to write about the new Craftsman Pro Tractors, the Cub Cadet Steering wheel ZTR’s and the Ariens tractors before I get back to the Deere’s.
I did write a review of the D140 in 2011 and last year. (The review is here: D140 Review). The tractor has not changed so the review is still current. Three or four years ago the John Deere 100 series was always a few hundred more than anything else so it wasn’t as good of a value. But for 2015 that “value” has changed. The D140 has stayed the same price while everything else has increased. One thing that does make it a better value than most. When you order it online John Deere Riding Lawn Mower. D140 48 in. 22 HP Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine BG20730
, a local dealer actually sets it up, tests it and delivers it. In my opinion that’s worth $100 right there.
I believe the John Deere branded engine is actually a Briggs Intek Plus ELS which equates to the Craftsman Platinum. It’s a great engine and does have an excellent reputation.
So to answer your question, for 2015 the D140 is one of the best value 48 inch lawn tractors. It has a great engine, cuts well and has a great repair history.
Now Consumer Reports rates the side discharge of the D155 better than the D140. The D155 is the latest model so I’m sure not if Deere changed the discharge chute or if that is just a fluke in the CR ratings.
John Deere Lawn Mowers D155 48 in. 24 HP ELS Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower BG20842
at Home Depot
Paul Sikkema
Hi Lou, You have enough land that a 54 inch deck machine would work very well for you. Although just about any of the 48-54 inch deck lawn tractors will do if you want the most dependable then I have two suggestions.
First, The Poulan Pro PBGT2654 Kohler V-Twin 26 HP 54-Inch
is $2899. It’s made by Husqvarna so it uses their good 54 inch reinforced deck. You can get it through link above (they are shipping the tractor) with free shipping to your door. It takes about 20-30 minutes to uncrate it and put the deck on.
The other mower I suggest is the 2015 Craftsman Pro Garden Tractor. It’s a little more money but Consumer Reports just gave this new Craftsman Garden Tractor a “Recommended” rating and gave it their best score for the large deck tractors. I have not written a review of it yet, but I am also going to give it a great recommendation. I like the deck, the Kohler engine, the way you sit and the toughness of the tractor. It has the good K58G transmission. It’s heavy-duty and will last.
Online Sears has free delivery through April. With a Sears card you can also get 5% off or no interest for 12 months. You can apply for the card during the checkout process. Here is the link to the Sears page: Pro Series 26 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 54″ Turn Tight Extreme Garden Tractor
. This model will come assembled. All you have to do is read the manual, put gas in it and go.
The only thing you should be aware of is you can order the Pro today but you won’t be able to get it until April 15-25. They are still in transit from the factory. Feel free to ask any other questions.
Jonas
Paul,
I just bought a house with 1.5 acres, I plan just mostly mowing but will probably want to attach a spreader and aerator and think I’ve narrowed my choices between the Husqvarna YTH22V46 V-Twin Hydrostatic 46-in Riding Lawn Mower or Cub Cadet XT1 Enduro Series LT 46 in. 22 HP Riding Lawn Mower. From what I’ve read, they are very similar and from I’m seeing it looks like it would just be based on what color I want. Am I missing something or is one better?
Thanks,
Jonas
Lytle TX
Paul Sikkema
@Jonas, I believe the YTH22V46 uses the Briggs Intek Engine. If you have slopes I suggest you go with the Kohler in the
.
Cub Cadet Lawn Mowers XT1 Enduro Series LT 46 in. 22 HP V-Twin Kohler Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower LT46
I believe the new Cub Cadet uses the same 46 inch deck as the new Craftsman Pro Series 24 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 46″ Turn Tight Extreme Riding Mower
. Consumer Reports just rated the Craftsman as the best deck for the 42-46 inch category. (78 out of 100 – top score 78)
The YTH22V46 rated a 70 out of 100 which put it in the bottom half of all the mowers tested.
Jonas
Paul,
. Just left with the Cub Cadet. I would have gone with the craftsman but sears doesn’t give military discount and home depot does :). Thank you for the assist.
Jonas
Paul Sikkema
@Jonas, Great! I’ll have to check with Sears and see if they are going to put their’s back on.
Mike Gahimer
Hi Paul. Great reviews and blog! I had been planning on buying an Ariens A22VA46 for my 20,000 sq. ft. lawn (near Indianapolis, IN) with a fairly decent slope in the back. That is, until I saw your comments on the Craftsman 20390. The Ariens is a 46″ versus the Craftsman being a 42″; but, I don’t really need the 46″. Having said that, I can get the Ariens for about $300 less than the Craftsman (10% discount through Home Depot). In your opinion, is the Craftsman $300 better than the Ariens.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Mike, Yes, As far as I know the Ariens is less because it uses the B&S Intek. It’s a good engine but I don’t recommend that engine for slopes. Look at the top of the engine – it should say Intek.
The Craftsman also has the Turn-Tight steering.
For extended use on hills you want an Intek Plus, Kohler 7000, Craftsman Platinum, or Kohler 7000 Elite. They have the internal oil supply system to keep oil everywhere in the engine when you are mowing slopes.
You can actually do a little better than 10% right now on the Craftsman. If you order it through this link: 22HP 42” Turn Tight® Fast Riding Mower – Non-CA
click on the special offers button. By buying it online you get free delivery ($69) and 5% off ($86). Plus you can get an additional 5% or no interest for 12 months with a Sears card. You can get the Sears card during the checkout process.
So, to answer your question: Yes, because you want an Intek Plus engine for your slope. In addition you get the Turn-Tight steering. Also, Sears/Craftsman has attachments and accessories easily available. You don’t have to hunt around and hope they will fit. (here is the link to all the 42 inch stuff for the Craftsman Red Craftsman 42 inch accessories). Finally, Sears comes right to your house if you ever have a problem with the tractor – and – you can easily get parts for it yourself through searspartsdirect.com.
Mike Gahimer
Paul,
Thanks for the quick reply and expert advice!! You have convinced me!
Bruce
Hi Paul,
I have a question regarding my first riding mower/lawn tractor. I live in Syracuse, NY. We just bought a house with a fairly level 1/2 acre lot. It does have some slope in the front, and not many obstacles. I bought a Craftsman 203730 last week, but after reading through your website, I’m wondering if a riding mower might be a better choice, either a Craftsman or a Troy Built. I currently have a Toro personal pace mower, so this is all new to me. I’m not looking for a lot of bells and whistles. I just need something that will mow the lawn, and hopefully not cost much in repairs down the road. I’m somewhat handy, but for this purchase, the mower will probably be serviced by someone else. What are your thoughts?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Bruce, The riders are a lot narrower and are rated for only a 10 degree slope. Some people state they are tippy even when mowing around mature trees. The mower you bought actually has a better turning radius than the riders and will fell more stable on any slope. I like the mower you bought. It has been very dependable.
I guess the last thing to think about is the rider you have needs about 48 inches with the chute down and the rider about 38 inches. So if you have narrow places to mow the rider may work better.
Curtis C
Hey Paul, I just bought a house with a 1.5 acre lot. Now a third is flat and the rest is hilly with several trees. This would be my first garden tracker and I want to get it right. My plans are to pull a plow for a garden, a wagon with bags of feed, and do a little scraping and leveling. My budget is around $5K and I was looking at the Craftsman but several of my friends have had bad experiences with them so I am leaning towards the Husqvarna or Cub cadet tractors. But there are so many options from the engines to the tranny. Any suggestions?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Curtis, Craftsman has a brand new garden tractor, the Pro Series 26 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 54″ Turn Tight Extreme Garden Tractor
that just won the coveted top of the pile with Consumer Reports. Now CR only rates the tractor for mulching, bagging, side discharge and ease of use so if you want it more to mow with than the other work it’s is a great choice.
But if you are going to spend $3200 on the tractor and want to work in the dirt I suggest one with a locking differential. So that leaves you with 2 models in your price range. The Husqvarna GT48XLSi and Husqvarna GT54LS.
One other tractor is worth mentioning. It the Cub Cadet XT3 Garden tractor. It has the “old” cast iron hydrostatic transmission and a shaft drive. It’s big, it’s heavy and has the weight and strength to handle the dirt work. It’s about $5000 with the deck.
All of the Husqvarna and Cub Cadet models are dealer only.
Rick Andrews
Hi Have you heard or do you know of any issues or problems with the electric deck lift on the Snapper/ Simplicity /Massey Ferguson zero turn mowers , the lift height is not as high as the manuel lift decks and are they expensive to repair or replace
Paul Sikkema
@Rick, They have a mechanical or hydraulic deck lift depending on the model. The electric cutting height is very tough and I don’t hear of many that go bad. It will go up to 4 inches.
Raphael
I have had a series of Craftsman lawn tractors over the years… I’m pretty much fed-up with them, mostly due to inconsistent service and lack of reliability. My current one, 24Hp 48″ (automatic transmission) from 2006 needs yet more engine work, and I would prefer to “move up” to something more dependable rather then spending another $500 on sears repair. I can do my own tune-ups (oil, filters, spark plugs, etc.), but nothing beyond that. I have ~2 acres of grass and fields, with some up/down on berms. I pull a cart with manure occasionally. I’m hoping to spend up to ~ $2800 range. What would be my best bet in terms of reliability ? Is it asking too much to expect 5+ years before major maintenance is required ? Dare I hope for 10 year life span ? Thanks for any advice you might have !
Raphael – rural fields of Davis, California
Paul Sikkema
@Raphael, You have 4 choices. Built by Husqvarna. Built by John Deere. Built by MTD. Built by Briggs & Stratton. Here is a list of how the brands match up with the manufactures Who Makes What?
Sears is still the only nationwide company that will come to your house and do the maintenance. You can check with local dealers of these other brands to see if they will come out. The engine is not a Craftsman. It was either manufactured by Kohler of Briggs. So based on your comment the reliability of Craftsman is not the question but the engine manufacture?
How steep are your berms? Did the engine ever smoke going up or down the berms? Anything over 15 degrees is too steep for your old engine and it’s probably running out of oil and that’s why you have engine problems. (no, no one tells you that) All the tractors in the $2000 range and above have longer life engines than your 2006. They use full pressure engines that will handle the 15 degree slopes.
But since you pull heavy loads you want a Garden Tractor with a heavy duty transmission. These Garden Tractors all come with 54 inch decks. DO NOT BUY ANY TRACTOR THAT IS LABELED LGT (LGT26K54). The transmissions are not heavy enough to pull manure.
John Deere does not have a heavy – duty transmission in anything under $5000.
Husqvarna builds Garden Tractors for Craftsman, Husqvarna, Poulan Pro. All cost around $3000-3500
MTD has Garden Tractors in the Cub Cadet line. They are priced $3000-4000
Briggs has tractors with the heavier transmissions in the $4000-8000 range.
Raphael
Paul – thanks for the quick reply !
The engine is a Briggs (model 445677), and I wonder if indeed most of my woes are due to the berms… They are steeper than 15 degrees, and I go up and down them 2-3 times a month to keep growth low and get from one area to another. The convenience of Craftsman home service has certainly been a plus, so perhaps I do need to give them one more try…
– You said “These Garden Tractors all come with 54 inch decks”… which ones were you referring to ?
– Of the 4 engine manufacturers, is one more reliable than another ?
– How does the new John Deere S240 and the 170 compare, in terms of engine and transmission reliability, to you two heavy duty 54” reviewed units above ? Although, as you noted, if the transmission is not heavy enough to handle pulling on those smaller Deeres, perhaps there is no point to start with them.
– Which Husqvarna units were you thinking of in the $3000 – $3500 range by Craftsman, Husqvarna, and Poulan Pro ?
By the way, I’m not concerned with how tight the radius is, and do not ever use any implements (other than a 12 cu ft dump cart).
Thanks !
Raphael – rural field of Davis, California
Paul Sikkema
@Raphael, Great! Todays engines have oil pumps in them so there is a more consistent and better lubrication throughout the engine and they will handle ditches and berms without burning up. You can still get them to blow blue smoke if you go down hill and the slope is above 15 degrees. More oil than is needed gets into the cylinder and the oil rings can’t hold it all back. If that ever happens be sure to check the oil in the engine before you use the tractor much longer.
Here is a list of the current garden tractors. The best garden tractors for 2015. The list is missing one tractor that won’t be available until late April.
Engines that will last for you. Briggs Platinum (Craftsman) Briggs Intek Plus, Briggs Professional, Briggs Commercial, John Deere engines in a tractor above $1800, Kohler 7000, Kohler 7000 Elite, Kohler Pro, Kawasaki FR. All the garden tractors listed in the above article have the better engines. I can get any one of these engines to last the life of the tractor.
John Deere, you are correct. The Deere S240 and D170 are good lawn tractors but they don’t have heavy-duty transmissions to pull heavy stuff or last on your steep hills. A 12 cu.ft. cart full of wet manure can get over 600 LBS. You need the heavy-duty trans for you manure and your berms.
The Craftsman Garden Tractor continues to be the tractor everyone tries to beat. Since you live in California you will need the CA version – The Craftsman 54″ Turn Tight 24 HP Garden Tractor w/ Complete Start – CA Only
I’m not aware that Poulan has a CA version of their garden tractor and Husqvarna doesn’t spell the CA versions out on their website. I suggest if you want to look at the Husqvarna go to a local dealer. Tell them you want a tractor with a K58, K66 or G730 transmission. If the dealer shows you anything for less than $2600 it does not have the heavy trans. Husqvarna does have a 48 and a 52 inch deck on a few garden tractors. You can go to Husqvarna Tractors and look for the GT models.
Raphael
So based on your input, I got it narrowed down to a choice of two machines: The Craftsman G5500 you linked above (54″ Turn Tight 24HP, with a Briggs (Platinum, I believe) versus the Husqvarna GT52XLS. The Craftsman is at $3,033 versus the Husqvarna (which provides 2 engine choices: $3,349 for a 24HP Kawaski FR Series engine, or $3,249 for a 26HP Kohler 7000 Series). Sears does provide the home service for $99 while none of my local Husqvarna dealers provide home service. However, Sears also claims to service all machines, regardless of make and where purchased, so perhaps that is not an issue (safe to let them service the Husqvarna ?).
Sears includes 2 year warranty standard ($780 to increase to 5 years). Husqvarna provides 3 year warranty standard.
What would you recommend ? future replacement part costs ? if Husqvarna, the 24HP Kawaski versus the 26HP Kohler for $100 difference ? both of those engines versus the Briggs ?
Thanks again for all the help !
Raphael – rural fields of Davis, California
Paul Sikkema
@Raphael, Sears has a 2 year defects warranty and Husqvarna has a 3 year defects. These only cover factory defects. The 5 year protection plan is NOT a warranty but covers most wear and tear items (you buy blades, oil, and filters) and includes the $99 trip charge. The entire tractor is covered except those few maintenance items.
Kawasaki charges more because they can – not because it is a better engine. I’ll take either the Kohler or the Briggs. Both The Kohler and the Briggs are designed to handle your berm.
There is no real difference between the Craftsman and the Husqvarna tractor but the decks are different. The tractors both have the 8 mph heavy duty transmission.
Sears does maintenance on all types but they don’t do warranty work on the Husqvarna tractors. You will have to take the Husqvarna to a dealer for warranty work.
I have heard of a few complaints about the cut of the 52 inch deck on the Husqvarna, Yes it is a fabricated deck (welded) but some owners complain it doesn’t mow well especially when the grass is damp and it build’s up under the deck. Before you buy that one read the reviews at Husqvarna.com for the kawasaki version.
I would still go with the Craftsman 54″ Turn Tight 24 HP Garden Tractor w/ Complete Start – CA Only
Vicki - 20 miles east of Pittsburgh
Paul, greetings from PA.
I wish I would have found your site BEFORE I bought. I found a midwinter deal on a lawn tractor – act fast or miss it. 2014 Husqvarna with a bagger. I have approx. 5 acres to cut with half of it hilly. I thought my new LGT2654 with its 7000 series Kohler engine & Tuff Torq hydrostatic transmission would work fine. I will need it to pull my cart (4 cu feet capacity) loaded with branches, stones & soil. Now I see you post not to buy anything with LGT for pulling a cartload. I’m worried.
Also, why is there a different model number listed at Lowes (not where I purchased) with a K in it? Someone told me Husqvarna has a “cheaper” tractor that is manufactured for Lowes with a similar model number.
Paul Sikkema
@Vicki, Every big box store is able to spec out there own tractors but in your case the only difference is the K in the model number.
Keep your loads to 200-300 lbs and you will do fine. When you are mowing the hills don’t try and mow it as fast as the tractor will go. Keep the speed to about 3 mph and you will get a good life out of the transmission.
Bob O'Connell - Westport Ontario Canada
I would be interested in your comments on Husgvarna tractors as I’m looking to purchase a mid range lawn tractor only – I’m about to retire from white collar life in the big city and stay at my lakeside home which just happens to be cottage country. I cannot see myself sitting but really enjoy cutting grass and think i could make some decent pocket change – I have 5 properties to cut starting this summer averaging from 1 to 2.5 acres each and there are dozens of other opportunities for me. I would like to do this commercially for 5,6,or 7 years depending. I would like to buy something that handles well , capable of wet grass cutting, comfortable and will handle a wider range of lawns (hilly, wide open some obstacles etc). I don’t want to spend the 10-13K that the high enders just yet but would likely settle in the middle of the 10K. I have looked at JD, Kubota, Club Cadet, Husqvarna and a few others but like so many others get more confused the more I research. I need a dependable workhorse that will last me 3,4 or 5 years but may opt to trade up in that period. Your suggestions please.
Thanks in advance – Bob – Westport Ontario – Canada
Paul Sikkema
Hi Bob, Start with the ExMark Lazer Z and compare the other models to it. It captures a 40 % market share and is as dependable as you can get in the 7-10K range. Toro comes off the same assembly line as the ExMark but they have their own deck. The contractors tend to like the cut of the ExMark and homeowners/municipalities like the Toro. You can put a 1000 hours a year on them and not think about trading for at least 5 years.
Personally, I think the Toro Grandstand or the ExMark Vantage stand on mowers are the perfect mower for all types of terrain. Once used to them you can cut your mowing/trimming time by about 15% over a sit-down.
Husqvarna is trying hard to win you over and you can’t go wrong with their model MZT-52 and higher priced models for commercial work. Go to Husqvarna.com and check them out.
A lot of operators like the John Deere 900 series. There’s also Scag – that’s the number two choice for contractors. Did you notice I didn’t even mention Cub Cadet or Kubota?
John
Paul..great information ..thanks! Will these be able to pull a loaded dump cart full of 3cu.ft. bags of mulch? Also, starting this year, I’ll be getting my lawn professionally treated and I know the grass will grow fast. Just want to make sure these tractors will be able to cut taller grass effortlessly if I’m unable to mow for a week or so. My max price point is aroun $1800 so I’m wondering if you have any other suggetions as well.
Thanks!
John
Paul Sikkema
@John, This is always my first choice in that price range. It mows well, has a strong transmission that will pull your cart full and the motor is the best Briggs Platinum engine. 2014-2015 Craftsman T3000 Model 20390 42 in 22 hp Yard Tractor Review
John
Hi Paul, I have about a 1/3 to 1/2 acre of lawn to mow. I know it’s not a lot, but it’s too much for a push mower (at least for me). I used to own a 1996 Simplicity Broadmoor at a previous home where I mowed about 1.5 acres. It was a good tractor but there were too many hills and the transmission eventually gave out. In my new home the land has a slight slope but nothing like I used to mow. I visited my local Simplicity dealer and was looking at the Regent and Broadmoor series. I was a little surprised by the prices. I will need a tractor mainly to mow, but I also have a dump cart (from when I owned my first Simplicity) that I use to haul bags of mulch, cuttings, etc. I don’t know if I really need a tractor like the Broadmoor again, but I’m worried that the Regent’s transmission will not be strong enough considering some of the hills I still have. Anyway, I’m looking for some suggestions based on the size of lawn, as well as the terrain, and the use of the dump cart. I’m in Vienna, WV. Thanks for your suggestions and advice and I really enjoy this site.
Paul Sikkema
Hi John, I always enjoyed going through the Parkersburg area on the I-77. That’s very pretty country not too many people know about.
A 42 inch mower with the new CVT’s are the way to go. These new transmissions are very reliable. I’ll give you three to consider. These are all made by Husqvarna.
The Craftsman 42 in. Turn Tight® Automatic Riding Mower
has a fender controlled tranmission and a Briggs Platinum engine. It has the best engine and the 6 inch Turn-Tight steering.
The Ariens Lawn Mowers A19A42 42 in. 19 HP Briggs & Stratton Automatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower 960460061
has a foot control transmission and a Briggs Intek. This engine is the same quality of the engine on the Regent.
The Poulan Pro 960420165 PB185A42 Briggs 18.5 HP Pedal Control Auto Drive Cutting Deck Riding Mower, 42-Inch
is similar to the very similar to the Ariens. You can read more about this one here: Poulan Pro PB185A42
If you want a simple to use tractor with a good CVT trans and a 20 V-Twin Kohler. Craftsman 20 HP Kohler V-twin Automatic 42” Riding Mower. This one is made by MTD.
Feel free to ask any more questions.
John
Paul…thank you for your quick reply and nice recommendations. I really liked the cut that my Simplicity gave. How is the cut from the mowers you recommended? Also, the Simplicity deck was very easy to remove. Do these mower’s decks present any issues for removal? Finally, like I mentioned I have a dump cart that is use to haul bags of mulch, etc. Would any of these tractors have problems with pulling a fully loaded cart?
Paul Sikkema
@John, Only Simplicity and the Husqvarna rider use the ground-hugging decks. The ground hugging decks use wheels on the deck to follow ground contours so if you have an undulating lawn they do a great job. The lawn mowers I mention all have floating decks. The deck uses the rear wheels of the tractor to follow the ground. Most of our lawns are not contoured so the floating decks work well.
So the answer to your question is. Consumer Reports and I feel these are great cutting decks. They clip the grass evenly, discharge it evenly and bag well. They cut better than a Simplicity. Do they follow the ground contours as close as a Simplicity – no.
Today’s yard tractors are designed to pull the deck once a year or so. The rest of the time you use the deck wash to clean them. 90% of the U.S. homeowners never remove their deck for cleaning or installing snow equipment. The lawn tractors I recommend here take about 5 minutes to take off and 10 minutes to put on. Are they as easy as a Broadmore? – no – they come on and off like the Regent’s deck.
The only quik-tach decks are on the Simplicity Broadmore and above and the John Deere 500 series and above.
I suggest these mowers because the transmissions are stronger than the one in the Regent. They will handle your tasks well for a long, long time.
Karen Freist
HELP!!! Lol
I am in need of your advice. I have been reading so many reviews on lawn tractors and I am more confused now then when I started.
I need to replace a Simplicity tractor that I have had for 20 years.
I am mowing an acre of land with a lot of trees and flower/garden beds. I also occasionally use a yard cart for hauling mulch and soil.
I am hoping you can help me with my selection or at least help me to narrow my choices. It is all so confusing. This is the second Simplicity tractor that I have used and it’s been really reliable…. But I cannot justify spending that kind of money. I am looking for something that is below the $2,000 price range.
Thank you in advance for any help and advice that you can give me. Truly appreciate it.
Karen Freist
Chesterfield, MI
Paul Sikkema
Hi Karen! If you want the most maneuverable tractor for about an acre the Craftsman 42 in. Turn Tight® Automatic Riding Mower
is the first choice. It’s only $1499! The only thing you may not like is it uses a fender lever for the speed control. Your Simplicity used a foot control? This Craftsman has a good single cylinder Briggs engine. This size Craftsman has been one of the best selling lawn tractors for many years.
Two other choices that will be good replacements. Both of these mowers have about the same maneuverability as your Simplicity.
$1499. Cub Cadet Lawn Mowers XT1 Enduro Series LT 42 in. 18 HP Kohler Hydrostatic Gas Front-Engine Riding Mower LT42
. This mower has the foot control and a Kohler single cylinder motor. (This is a brand new mower this year and Cub Cadet has fixed all the issues you may have heard about from previous years)
$1799. John Deere Lawn Mowers D125 42 in. 20 HP V-Twin Hydrostatic Front-Engine Riding Mower BG20709
. This is a Home Depot exclusive mower and is one of their best sellers. This mower has a foot pedal for the speed control and a V-Twin motor. Many people like the V-Twins because they are a little smoother running. It will take about 1/4 gallon an hour more in fuel than the other two. This mower is a little more expensive because of the larger engine and the green paint.
For your yard any one of these three mowers is a good choice. The Craftsman has tighter steering and the John Deere has a smoother running engine but other than that all three are very similar. I suggest you pick the mower for you based on two questions.
Do you like Sears or Home Depot best?
What color do you like best? Red, Yellow, Green
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Brandon C
Paul.
I’m in the market for new riding mower. 1 acre flat yard in Southeastern WI with some landscaping. I will not be doing any snowplowing with this as I will buy separate snow blower. May at some point get small cart to pull around mulch but primary function will be cutting the lawn. Do you have a recommendation?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Brandon, If you just want a good dependable lawn tractor that cuts well the NEW Craftsman 20 HP Kohler V-twin Automatic 42” Riding Mower
. The tractor is not really new – they just put a great 20 HP V-Twin in it this year.
If you would like one of the best deals and all the features Craftsman has to offer like the Turn-Tight steering the 42 in. Turn Tight® Automatic Riding Mower
is a great choice. You can read my full review here. Craftsman 20381 Review
Christopher
Hi Paul,
I figured I would give an update. I went to a Husqvarna dealer yesterday and they literally refused to sell me the snow blower attachment. They said they have sold one and had an unhappy customer because the belts don’t hold up. I asked about other brands, and they said they used to carry John Deere as well and had the same issues. According to the two salesmen and manager, the only way a tractor with snow blower attachment works is if you purchase the 16k Kubota they tried to sell me. I called the John Deere dealer down the street and got a similar response, that the attachments don’t work. So I guess I will be going with separate walk behind snow blower and tractor units. I did like the Husqvarna tractors they had on display so I will probably get one for the yard and an Ariens snow blower for the driveway. Thanks for the help.
Paul Sikkema
@Christopher, Interesting, what the dealer told you. First, these tractor attachment snow blowers do work. There are thousands and thousands of Husqvarna/Craftsman (made by Agri-Fab) and Berco snow blowers out moving snow every winter.
But I can also understand why he may not want to bother with them. You as the owner need a little mechanical “common sense” to keep it running. If I was a dealer I would spend some time qualifying you to see if you are mechanically inclined enough to install, maintain and store a mounted snow blower. If you don’t know the difference between a 9/16 wrench and a pliers I would steer you away from one. I know many people who get along with their snow blower just fine – and a few who should have never bought it.
You never broke that belt he was referring to when tractors only had 14 HP. Todays tractors though have a lot more power than they did 15-20 years ago. Because of that the drive belt from the pillow block to the snow blower is at it’s maximum HP limit. If you try to blow a full snow blower width of 14 inch deep, heavy-wet snow there is a good chance you will pop/break that belt. The belts are around $60 each so it can be frustrating until you learn how much the snow blower can handle before you break that belt. When I know someone is planning on installing a snow blower I strongly suggest they keep 2 or 3 spare belts hanging in their garage.
Christopher
Christopher – Massachusetts
Thanks for the response Paul. So do you think the D155 with the snowthrower attachment would be sufficient or would a jump to the X310 allow me to haul some wood? I saw you mention to another poster that the x310 might be better for hauling. Are there any comparable models you would suggest I look at?
Paul Sikkema
@Christopher, The x310 does have a stronger transmission. All around it is a better tractor and is worth the money (if you want to spend it) In between the 2 is the Craftsman Garden Tractors but they both have 54 inch decks. They do have transmissions that are equal or stronger than the X310.
24HP 54″ Complete Start™ Turn Tight® Garden Tractor – Non CA
Pro Series GT 54″ 26hp Hydrostatic Kohler Elite Garden Tractor
Otherwise the Raven MPV-7100 will do the job very well. It’s the same price as the X310, 46 inch deck and really works well out in the timber. Husqvarna has 3 or 4 for less than the X310 if you have a good Husqvarna dealer in your area.
Christopher
Christopher – Massachusetts
Hi Paul. I purchased my house about a year ago. I have about 400ft of driveway and an acre of hilly lawn. The lawn is pretty steep in some parts. I also have about 4 acres of woods. I was thinking of trying to kill a few birds with one stone and instead of getting a riding mower and a walk behind snow blower, getting a lawn tractor that can do it all. I was looking at the John Deere D155 lawn tractor with the snow blower attachment. Would this be sufficient for: mowing my acre of hilly lawn, snowblowing my 400ft long driveway, and hauling chopped wood uphill out of the woods? If this is not the best solution, what brand/model would handle everything I want to throw at it? I have not previously owned a tractor or riding mower and have been paying someone about $150 a month to take care of my lawn (poorly). I would prefer to do it on my own going forward. Thank you very much.
Chris
Paul Sikkema
@Christopher, I’m concerned about any lawn tractor having enough weight/traction to pull firewood out of the woods. Today’s tractors are very light in the rear end. But there is a solution.
The tractor mounted snow blower is a good choice for that long of driveway and you will need weights and chains on the tractor. If you put the chains and weights on early you can get a lot better traction for hauling the firewood.
A lot of people are now using ATV’s for heavy hauling. They have the weight, traction and suspension to handle work out in the woods.
Larry Fisk
Paul,
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Of the JD X310 and Craftsman 28861X, what are your thoughts on the warranties and service? Do you prefer one over the other? For the approx. $1,000 difference between the two, does the JD offer more value or is it just for the “John Deere” brand?
Paul Sikkema
When you get into the X310 and better John Deere tractors you are getting the best Deere has to offer. Hydraulic lift, power steering, heavy duty deck. You do get what you pay for with the X310. It comes with a 4 year, 300 hour warranty and most Deere dealers are very easy to work with. i.e, they will take care of you. They mow great and drive even better.
I can’t compare the X310 with the Craftsman. Instead I have to compare it in quality and features to the Simplicty BROADMOOR series.
Larry Fisk
Hi Paul,
I am looking to purchase my first garden tractor for my 1 1/2 acres in Columbia, TN. I want to pick the best transmission, since most of the property is sloped and uneven. I also plan on using this for light hauling with a cart for small branches and garden debris. The two models I am considering are
X300 Tractor with 48-inch Deck and Craftsman 24HP 54” 28861X. Am I on the right track? Any advise would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Paul Sikkema
@Larry, You’re getting close. If you want the best transmission the X300 is not the best choice but the Craftsman 28861X is a great choice. The X300 (X300, X304) uses the lawn tractor sized K46 transaxle. It will pull your cart well but it has a history of not holding up on your rolling hills pulling a cart loaded with heavy material like dirt and rocks. If your lawn is more than a slight slope, I would move up to the X310, X320, and X360 that use the heavier K58 transaxle.
The Craftsman 28861X transmission is comparable to the K58 in the more expensive X310, X320, and X360 Deere’s
Tim
Hi Paul, thanks for the feedback! The conquest looks like a nice tractor and well built tractor. I see the price is around 5,700 dollars. If I had to go with a JD 700’s series would one be better than the other? We have looked at craftsmen tractors this past week and they seem to be a little cheaper, but don’t want to buy a problem either. Would you stay away from the craftsman? I see you below you have at suggested at times the heavy duty craftsmen. You had mentioned a comment about a craftsmen model in that was a tough tractor to break, but can’t find the comment now. Is there a better engine/transmission to get? I think one of the Craftsmen you referred to was a garden tractor 24hp 54″ deck? Thanks again for all your help. Tim
Paul Sikkema
@Tim, The Craftsman is a very capable machine for durability and pulling. But the Craftsman does not have the quick-tach deck and blade setup. It will take 30 minutes or more to switch it over. The Craftsman also is a floating 54 inch deck so compared to the Simplicity and Deere is won’t cut as well. (They use a ground following deck)
You get what you pay for. At $3000 the Craftsman is a better mower than all the $1500 lawn tractors on the market. The Simplicity at $6000 and the Deere at $9000 – they are progressively better tractors.
With the Deere you are starting to get into Sub-Compact tractors. The 700 Deere is the base of this group, The John Deere 1023E. Kubota BX, New Holland Boomer, Kioti, Yanmar, Mahindra to name a few. The sub compact tractor is what the garden tractor should have become – versatile, easy to use, hard working, all purpose tractors. Instead the garden tractor manufactures in the 70’s and 80’s went for cheap products and high profit marketing instead.
Tim
Hi Paul, My wife and I are in the market for a new lawn/garden tractor. We live in lower Michigan on a little over 2 acres of land with some trees, but pretty much flat ground. I’ve had a few tractors over the years (Wheelhorse, Craftsman). The wheelhorse was a beast and seemed to just keep on going year after year. I love the quick connect attachment hookup on the Wheelhorse, I could easily and quickly change from my mower deck to the snow blade. The Craftsman was ok but never really seemed to cut well, and changing from the mower deck to the snow blade was frankly a pain in the butt, that took forever. We would like to mow grass and put a blade on to clean the driveway, which is about 125-150 long. We would also like to be able to have a small utility trailer for sticks and weeds and in the fall to collect leaves. We have just started looking and not sure what to even get. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Tim
Paul Sikkema
@Tim, All of the lawn tractors today use the pins to change the deck like the Craftsman. You need to upgrade to a John Deere X700 series, Simplicity LEGACY XL™, Simplicity PRESTIGE™, or Simplicity CONQUEST™. These have the quick change decks and front blades. The Conquest is probably the best value of the bunch for the work you want to do.
Conquest
Jim
I have a Bobcat XRZ and want to get a snow plow for it. Any recommendations or information you could share?
Paul Sikkema
@Jim, There are very few plows for Zero-turn because most zero-truns are either not weighted well or the frames are too light. Your Bob-Cat is an exception and is heavy and strong enough to handle the punishment of a snow blade.
I’ve tried a few zero-turn plows and the best one on the market is the Nordic Auto Plow NAP-ZC4 64 in. Zero Turn Commercial Plow
. The Nordic Plow really works well on snow but it also works very well for leaves, mulch and other leveling tasks. It comes with all the brackets to mount to the front of your zero-turn.
You may need tire chains and I like the Terra Grips
. You can run faster with them and they won’t scratch your driveway like steel chains.
Paul Sikkema
@John, Most dealers and manufactures say “run it completely out of fuel” but i know of a few tractors and snow blower that won’t start the next spring because the is always a litle fuel left in the carb and that can separated and gum up the carb.
I have two different approaches that work all the time. First put about 4 tablespoons of Sea Foam in a gallon of gas put that in your tractor and run the engine for at least 5 minutes. That will circulate the stabilzed fuel all through the fuel system and it will start next spring.
The second method is to buy a can of Pure Fuel. Here is the Craftsman version but you can get it at most lawn mower shops. High Performance Pure 4-Cycle Fuel
.
The run your engine out of fuel, then put at least 1/2 a can of the Pure Fuel in the tank. Start it up and run it for 3-5 minutes. The fuel has a 2 year shelf life so it will start next spring.
Ken
Hi Paul,
I’ve been pouring over the site for a few hours and still have a quick question. The square footage I need to mow is probably a bit under 1/2 acre (outside of San Diego, CA), but we also have an arena for horses that I would like to be able to pull a drag/harrow in. I know I won’t be able to break up hard packed dirt, but I’m hoping if I get a real tractor out to loosen everything up I will be able to maintain it.
It seems that there is nothing with a 42″ deck that also is built for ground engaging attachments. Will something like the Craftsman 20381 get destroyed if I pull an arena drag behind it? We were looking at something like the 4×4 Loyal Drag Harrow at Tractor Supply (https://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/loyal-drag-harrow-4-ft-x-4-ft). I’d rather not go bigger than a 42″ deck as it is overkill, but I don’t wan’t to put undue stress on a smaller machine.
Any advice on a 42″ mower/arena dragger combo? Thanks again for all the info here. I’ve found it very helpful.
Paul Sikkema
@Ken, No there is not a good, heavy duty 42 inch for the most part. Most people are now using an ATV to do work like that. I am concerned that the 20381’s tranny will not last more than a few years.
I recommend you go with the 20390. It does have a transmission heavy enough to do the job. It’s a little more money but you get a great v-twin engine and the good CVT transmission.
The drag is fine. If you have issues pulling it just take a row or two off the back.
John Schroeder
Downingtown, PA. Paul, based in part on your recommendation I purchased the Husqvarna 322T AWD Articulating mower Labor Day Weekend. I thought I would give you my thoughts to share with your followers. I have now had the mower for about 7 weeks.
I will not try to explain the mower. YouTube videos abound and do a far better job than I at describing it.
My overall impression is very favorable. Let’s talk details.
It is expensive. At over $4,000 it is more than twice the price of a Big Box Special.
It is a Mountain Goat on my hills. Even on a damp lawn I mow up and down with ease. Even towing a trailer-load of firewood up-hill. It does not slip. I can not MAKE it slip. And gone are the down-hill slides I had on my Craftsman when I pressed the brake pedal and the mower ACCELERATED as the one rear wheel stopped while the other spun free all the way to the bottom.
It has ample power. Granted I have not tested it’s limits. But it climbs hills and hauls firewood (both at the same time). It is not, however, quiet. The moter may be quiet. But engage those three blades and you will definitely want your hearing protection. I suspect though that is in part due to the fact that the blades are in front of you instead of underneath.
This is probably not unique to this mower. What a pleasure to press the drive pedal and it goes. Press harder… go faster. Release and it stops. Only on the steepest hills do I have to press the brake to keep it from rolling (creeping really) forward. No more stopping to shift into a higher speed. Now if only I cold learn that the drive pedal is NOT the brake pedal when going in reverse.
I am 6’2″ tall. The ‘cockpit’ is small. The pedals are just a bit too close.
It is gentle on the lawn. Imaging your typical riding mower. You are stopped and must make a hard right turn on damp grass with soft soil. Accelerate and instead of rolling left or right the front wheels ‘plow’ forward and tear up the lawn. Not with the AWD. The mower powers through the maneuver with all wheels driving through the turn.
The deck is out front meaning you can mow under bushes. Plus you mow before you drive across the lawn. My Craftsman flattened the lawn with the front wheels before it was mowed. Be careful on uneven terrain. The front deck rollers will ride up a slope (think the ramps into my pickup) causing the front drive wheel to lift off the ground. Turn right and the rear of the tractor goes left but the front keeps going straight on the deck rollers.
In spite of the wider deck (48″ vs 42″) the 322T cuts smoother on uneven terrain than my Craftsman. I use side discharge only although a mulching kit is available. Still, few clippings visible after mowing so long as I take care with how I disperse them. .
Turning right means the rear goes left just a bit. This makes it possible to run into raised beds, for instance. But this is not easy to do because, generally speaking, you normally only get as close as the mower deck will allow. But a curved raised bed or split rail fence can make for a surprise. This is not a flaw of the mower machine but a lack of skill of the mower operator in my opinion.
The turn radius is not ‘zero’. I think 6 or 8 inches. But to be honest, turning the tightest radius takes one and a half revolutions of the steering wheel. And there is no power steering so it takes MUSCLE to make that tight a turn. But I have learned that a two-pass band at the end of a row leaves ample space to make a turn back on the next row. I did need to relearn driving and to slow down for turns which I did not do on the Craftsman. Between the wider deck and tighter turns I can mow my 1 acres in about 1.5 hours instead of 2.5.
Hold on tight! The articulating nature of the tractor means hitting bumps and ruts tends to pull the steering wheel out of your hands. There is a Husqvarna video of a slight woman in tennis clothes effortlessly sailing around her lawn. Yeah, if your lawn is a pool table!
You can tilt the deck up for cleaning and blade changes. But not when it is NEW. After about 6 weeks of use the belt is finally loose enough to get it off without a pry bar. But it is not as easy as the video makes it appear. I expect that after six months it may be that easy. The dealer did explain that the belt needed time to stretch.
On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being best) I rate the 322AWD an 8 over-all. Loose one point for the effort needed to steer maintain a grip on the wheel. Another for the tightness of the ground drive belt. If it loosens up as promised I may change my rating.
Paul Sikkema
@John Thank you for a complete review. I agree completely with it.
I have an older 970 here and I have the same problem with limited operator room. If you look behind your seat you can see that there is almost 2 inches between the seat and the engine shroud. What I ended up doing was to make a spacer under the seat that raised the seat up 1 1/2 inches and moved it back almost two inches. Now it fits me a lot better.
The steering does take some time to get used to. I first felt I needed to go to the gym and toughen up but I found wearing carpenters gloves (fingerless gloves) really helps me drive it. The next size articulated has power steering but that model is not available here. I’m going to start a campaign to ask Husqvarna to add power steering to the 322.
It’s not perfect, (The Ventrac is the best) but I think it is a better alternative than all the mid-mount zero-turns on the market right now.
Brad
Thanks for the info Paul. I just noticed that the 2 models in Canada are a little different then in the US. The Pro series (713 560 443 09) doesn’t have the 6 in turning radius like in the US and I can’t tell if it has the quick change blades or not. The GT5500 (model 713 560 441 09) doesn’t have the foot pedals for forward or reverse and is a key start.
I have pretty much ruled out the JD D170 and the x320 at this point. Just trying to figure out which Craftsman is better for me. Are the 2 different engines both reliable?
Thanks,
Brad
Paul Sikkema
@Brad, The Briggs in the 713 560 441 09 has been a great engine. But now that I see it and the price, I have a feeling that has the K46 trans. The K-46 is the reason I won’t recommend the D 170 Deere. I would go with the Pro.
The Kohler is too new to get a full impression of it but so far it has been doing well. I don’t expect it to have any issues. On the 713 560 443 09 Pro, look under the deck and if you see black, plastic caps it is the quick attach blade system but I have a feeling that it doesn’t have it. They would call it out as a feature if it had those blades.
I also like the price of the Pro. That’s the best it has been all year. Yup, I’d go with the Pro.
Brad
Hi Paul,
I’m looking to replace my riding mower and was looking between the Craftsman Pro Series 54″ 98645 tractor, Craftsman 20403, and a JD D170, maybe even the JD X320 if I can stomach the cost. I have about 3 acres, some parts are a little bumpy and some water issues ever once in a while. I’m just north of Toronto and may look to use if during the winter months as well for snow removal. Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Brad
Paul Sikkema
@Brad, The JD 170 is not in the same group as the other 3. It uses the weaker K-46 trans also found in the Craftsman 20401.
The Pro 98645 and the Craftsman 20403 are basically the same tractor. Do you like Red or Black? The Pro has a Kohler, the GT 5500 has a Briggs. The Pro has the quick-tach blades system, the G5500 has the tried and true standard “husqvarna/craftsman” blades (more choices available) The Pro has a Key ignition, the GT5500 has the keypad ignition which includes diagnostics. These tractors have the bulletproof G730 garden tractor transmission
The X320 is a good tractor. It drives well and mows well. The transmission is slightly less robust than the trans in the Craftsman’s (Kanzaki K58 is a lawn tractor trans and is not rated for ground engaging tasks) but it makes up for it in other features like a low effort steering, and John Deere’s better deck.
Tricia Tyson
Paul
I am sadly trying to replace a older “green” craftsman mower which I love. But it is using oil and I have probably kept it alive for two years with service from a local guy. Now it won’t start and the grass is getting high! I have read and reread most of your comments but need some direction. I am leaning toward the craftsman again b/c of the service. I would love to wait for a new model (the yellow Cub Cadet coming out with App integration) but I need the service that Sears offers. Can you suggest a tractor for 2 acres not perfect lawn that has the nice motor and transmission in a smaller sized deck? I like the idea of the 46 in. (less scraping). Also, alot of reviews talk about the tight turning option as bad b/c the wheels lock up? I am not looking for the best or cheapest price (although I do like cheap but do not want to sacrifice a better motor etc.) but a mower that will last and have less breakage of belts etc. I love to pull leaves and a sears sweeper behind my mower. Thanks
Tricia
Paul Sikkema
@Tricia, The primary source of the bad reviews on the turn tight is on the 54 inch Garden Tractor series. The T2000 and T3000 that you and I are looking at don’t have issues with the Turn-Tight steering.
The article I have on the site about the new Cub Cadets is a press release not my opinion. I’m very cautious about overly hyped products and Cub Cadet is just another example of a lot of words but no real product to back up the claims – yet. They are still going to be marketing these new tractors in the $1500 – $3000 range and there is only so much you can do. This is their 3rd attempt at a “new innovative” deck in the last 6 years or so and it will be interesting if they get this one right. The past few years they have been plagued as much or more than anyone else with assembly issues. It will be interesting to see if they have those engineering hurdles worked out this time….
I am going to have a chance to get close up and personal with the new Cub Cadets the 20th. If you want to wait 3 weeks, I’ll have a better opinion then.
But in the meantime: You will really appreciate the extra legroom and comfortable seating on the new Craftsman’s. 2 acres with a new 42 inch craftsman will take about 2 1/4 hours plus trimming, the 46 inch about 2 hours. I am going to give you a few choices. All of these choices have the good Craftsman Platinum engine.
If you want to stay with the fender control you have 3 choices. Single cylinder 19HP 42” Turn Tight® Automatic Riding Mower – Non CA
, single cylinder 46″ 19HP Riding Mower – Non CA
, and the V-Twin 24HP 48” Hydrostatic Transmission Turn Tight® Garden Tractor – Non CA
. Any of these will do the job. The 46 inch is a good cutting deck. The 48 inch has larger tires and will ride better.
If you would like the foot control the V-Twin 22HP 42” Turn Tight® Fast Riding Mower – 49 States
and the V-Twin 22 HP V-Twin 48″ Turn Tight Fast Riding Mower – Non CA
If you would like to narrow it down more, feel free to ask more questions
Ric
Thank you for the thoughts, Paul. These were the 2 models at Sears Clearance Outlet. Both were 50% off retail on the website, so it was $1150 for the 20391 vs $1500 for the 20401 (which has no right pedal, speed on the stick to the right of the seat). When I got to the store, it became an easy choice. The 20391 had over 100 hours on it, blades needed replacing, ect. The 20401 has 1.7 hours and is now on the way home. It is under warranty and I bought the 3 year home service on it. If you use Sears Clearance Outlet, FIRST go online, search for your mower at the local outlet store and print out the online price, in my case it was $509 less the the clearance price tag at the store. They plugged in the online discount at the store, no problem.
Paul Sikkema
@Ric, Excellent! A great point – Just about all the time now the Sears.com and Searsoutlet.com price is lower than the in-store price. On top of that sears.com is set to start offering “localized ads” so when you log in or put in your zip code there may be special deals – just for you. The news media is unwilling to stand still long enough to actually listen to all the changes that are happening at sears.com to make is the best place to shop.
If you would, stop by next spring and tell us how you like the 20401.
Ric
I have 3 acres mowable and a bit more to run around on (hauling dirt, horse manure, ect.) and was considering the Craftsman 20401. But after reading through about the faster 20391 with the CVT, I am not sure. Comparing the two side by side, it seems like the 20391 can do almost as much but at less cost. Besides the 2hp difference and the arm rests, is there a reason to spend the extra money for the 20401?
Paul Sikkema
@Ric, The 20401 does have larger tires and a different frame. If your yard is rough or when pulling your cart you get into areas that are muddy you may appreciate the larger tires. One last thing, sit on each tractor and see how your foot rest on the right pedal. The speed control pedal on the 20391 is about 3/4 of an inch higher than the one on the 20401 and some people don’t like how high it is.
Other than that, go with your gut.
Randy
@ Terry Evans. I have been looking at the Husqvarna LGT2654 as well and it looks like a great value. As far as the Kohler engine is concerned the 7000 is built in Hattisburg, MS. The 7000 is rated at 700 hours and is considered a residential engine and the Courage is considered commercial and is rated at 1400 hours. Apparently Kohler developed this engine as an alternative for manufacturers to put in their residential models in order to keep cost down.
Randy
Wausau, WI
Paul Sikkema
@Randy, I haven’t seen actual hour ratings on these engines but 700 hours sounds like a good number. If you look at a typical lawn most owners use their mower 2 hours a week and mow 25 times a year. That’s only 50 hours run time a year on an engine. So why put an engine in that mower that would last the 25 years?
debi
I am looking for a 4×4 ride on lawn mower I can use for hills and plowing snow (snow plow attachment ) Want would you suggest? Annapolis Maryland
Paul Sikkema
@Deb, The only 4X4 lawn tractor under $8000 is the Husqvarna R 322 T Rider. Husqvarna Rider
Tim
Paul
Great site, I am looking for a garden tractor (florida) I have 5 acres, 3 of it wooded that I mow every few months. I have a dirt driveway and use the mower to pull a 5×10 trailer and pull cut logs and branches. I currently have an old Husky GTH2548 that I have not been happy with. It cuts grass very well, but everything hangs up on the deck (small sticks, pine needles, etc that I typically just mulch) my precious GT that was non hydro held up better and it was during the years of clearing my property.
There is only one husky dealer in my area a town away (archer Florida) and they seem to be slipping a bit. My property is flat, sandy and dry. I would have never considered a craftsman until reading your blogs, my views would have been from 20 years ago.
A friend is trying to convince me that a dixie chopper ZTR will do everything. I do have a number of small implements, but they have not worked well on the husky.
Thanks in advance for your input.
Tim
Paul Sikkema
@Tim, A Dixie-Chopper may work for you but you need one with at least a ZT-3100 transmission. By the time you get to that level Of Dixie you are close to the price of a sub-Compact tractor like the JD 700 series, Mahindra, Kubota, etc.
You will have the same issues with sticks, etc, with any of the current GT tractors. The decks are designed to mow lawns, not rough cut every few months. The blades on a ZTR with a commercial deck are a lot heavier and will put up with heavier mowing. But you need to get one that has heavy enough transmissions to pull the attachments you currently do.
One possibility is to keep your old tractor just for pulling stuff and get a ZTR for mowing. A Dixie with the ZT 2800 transmissions would then be a good choice.
doug
I am purchasing a home in the country on 11 acres, about 4.0acres is mowable, the rest is a corn/bean field. I am looking at a new john deere X734 all wheel steer with a liquid cooled kawasaki engine. 62″ deck and a 47″ snowblower and a hard cab. While quite expensive, it should do everything I need to do. My question is, is there anything else comparable on the market? I can’t really find anything else.
Paul Sikkema
@Doug, Yes there is a lot of comparable equipment. The size tractor you are looking at is called sub-compact or compact tractor. In fact with over 20 different tractor manufactures that market is a lot larger than the lawn tractor market. Mahindra, Kubota, Kioti, Case IH, Yanmar, New Holland, Massey Ferguson, McCormick are just a few. Mahindra and Kubota have a larger market share than John Deere (better value, less cost)
Yes, these tractors are expensive compared to lawn tractors but you only need to buy one – ever. Most of these tractors never retire. I have a tractor this size that my father bought brand new in 1953. It runs just as good today as it did new.
The dealers that handle this type of equipment are called Rural Lifestyle Dealers and cater to landowners who have 5 to 40 acres. Just search “Rural Lifestyle” on Google and you can learn a lot quickly. Feel free to ask more questions. What town/State do you live near. I can help you find a good dealer there.
keith
We have Sears close by for craftsman, ace for Toro, and jd dealer all nearby Greenville, OH.
Truly appreciate your expertise.
keith
Seeking riding lawn mower to handle 4 acres of mowing with a few slopes at edge of road. Would like suggestions for zero turn as we have almost 50 trees I have to go around. Finally needs to be able to pull a lawn cart that we load with 4 bales of hay frequently. What mower or mowers are recommended?
Paul Sikkema
@Keith, because you want it to pull the hay and mow the slopes please look at zero-turns with ZT2800 or ZT3100 Transmission in it. Most of the brands make ZTR’s this heavy and they all start around $4000.
Hustler Raptor HD, Toro MX, Ariens Zoom XL, Craftsman Pro ZTR, Husqvarna MZ, Deere Z425 – Z445 are a few examples. Even Bad Boy, Skag and Cub Cadet make decent products in this quality range.
Are there any dealers in your area that you like? If you want let me know and I’ll help you narrow the selection down.
Terry Evans
Hi Paul,
I just picked up a 2014 Husqvarna LGT2654 this week. All of my research showed that these come with a Kohler Courage engine, but mine has a Kohler 7000 series. How can I tell which transmission my tractor has? I understand that there is a “good” and a “bad” transmission available, and I’m hoping that I have the “good” one to go with my upgraded engine. I purchased it a Lowes as a used model with less than 2 hours on the clock. The couple that owned it prior to me said it was too big to maneuver around their yard, so they returned it for a smaller tractor, and I scooped it up for $1600.00. Any insight that you could give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Terry Evans
Oswego, NY
Paul Sikkema
@Terry, According to the parts manuals for the LGT2654 they all use the same K46 hydro (448354) but there are different manuals based on the actual item number of your tractor. Go here to find the parts lists. Husqvarna parts LGT2654.
The main thing to remember with this tractor is it’s a “light” garden tractor. It has the garden tractor frame but a lawn tractor transmission. Mow your lawn, use your lawn cart, sweeper etc with it an it will do fine, but leave pulling logs, tilling dirt and mowing hills above 15 degrees to your ATV.
Harv Basler
Hi Paul – I have really enjoyed your site since discovering it about a week ago. I need to replace my ’80’s LT4000 42″with a Briggs twin 18hp, as the motor seems to be finally failing (growing oil, smoking, and down on power). I know I’ll never make one last like this one, but you have convinced me Craftsman is still the way to go. I have been in contact with Sears, and picking one up in ND will not be a problem, sales wise or warranty wise. I am really leaning towards the T2600 with the Kohler, as I feel 19hp is enough. I only have 1.3 acres to cut, and it is flat as can be. I do have a few obstacles in my way, trees, buildings etc. and I was concerned about deck clearance with the 22hp/42″. I also have a large Cub Cadet blower purchased 2 seasons ago, and feel no need to pull or operate any other accessories. My only concern is whether I would be frustrated by the vibration of the large single as opposed to the 22 hp twin.
Harv in Beausejour, MB
Paul Sikkema
@Harv, The Kohler has a counter balancer in the engine to reduce the thump. (vibration) I have had these larger cu. in. Kohler in the past and they have been smooth running engines. I agree, the 46 inch deck sticks out farther making it easier to trim than with the 42 inch deck.
JPR
What do you mean “It cuts well for a 54 inch”?. My Hustler Raptor SD54 cuts very nicely, through all sorts of grass condidtions… short/tall/dry/damp/think/thin… Is that size generally thought of as being subpar in a quality cut?
Paul Sikkema
@JPR, I’m not talking about grass conditions – I’m talking about the terrain. Most consumers use a 42-46 inch deck and they don’t realize that a 48-54 inch deck won’t cut as evenly on their lawn. These decks will scalp and leave grass when going through dips and humps compared to the smaller decks.
Consumer Reports is very clear about that. If you used to the smaller decks – the larger decks will scalp and gouge more.
By the way, I do like the cut of the Hustler decks. If you have large areas to mow they do a great job.
Dennis
Hi Paul, I stumbled upon this site searching for mower reviews. Thanks for putting an honest, objective opinion out on the web!
I am looking to upgrade from a Murray 40508×92 that was given to me by my Father-in-law. It has taken everything I and my yard(1.3acre of 10% slope) can throw at it without complaint, but I feel its time for a change. I know any new mower I get will be light years ahead of this one, but here are some things I need to make sure a new mower has:
– I bought the mulching kit because I don’t like to bag, or have rows of cut grass in the yard. Unfortunately, in top gear, the Murray wont completely cut the grass on the discharge side. Probably the hill combined with my 225lbs bogs the motor down?
I need to make sure any new mower I get will have no problem mulching grass at top speed even if the yard is overdue for a cut.
– We got relatively nailed with show here in the Cincinnati area last year, and I need a mower that I can also use as a plow/thrower.
– I over-engineer everything I build, so I need a mower that is over-built and tough.
– I am not the average person that gets tired of things after a few years and wants something new. I want a mower that can last 10-15yrs.
– I need a mower that is comfortable to ride. Between the moles and the holes in my yard, my back takes a beating.
– The wife wants to put a small 10’x10′ garden in, so a tractor that has some ground accessories would be nice, but not a must.
I see you recommending the Craftsman 20403/28861x alot, and I like it, but I have some reservations about the tight turn steering after reading some reviews on Sears.com. Like I said, I am tough on mowers, and I need one that can take abuse. Its also a smidge out of my budget once I factor the snow/yard accessories, but there is a Sears Outlet near me that has one. How do you feel about reconditioned mowers?
If I do decide to buy new, when is the best time to buy a mower? I assume at the end of the season, Oct/Nov?
Thanks,
Dennis
Paul Sikkema
@Dennis, The biggest issue with the front end is owners think they have an ATV and feel they should be able to drive the tractor at the 8 mph top speed through any terrain. Like every tractor I have ever owned a little common sense is appropriate and you should slow down going through ruts, banging into walls, and turning on rough terrain. The Front axle on the 20403 is warranted for 5 full years so you will be able to get it repaired if you do play rough with it.
It’s still the toughest tractor on the market. The transmission is bulletproof, the deck cuts well for a 54 inch and it will handle both the 42 inch and 50 inch snow blowers (with rear wheel weights and chains)24HP 54″ Complete Start™ Turn Tight® Garden Tractor – Non CA
Martin
I have a Troy Built Horse XP Kolher 22HP (single cylinder) 46″
I got it with the house, The mower was used one year ….very little, showed almost no wear top to bottom
I mow about 1.5A , I spend more time fixing this thing then mowing, deck bearings/exhaust/ motor shaking it’s self apart. I have replaced bolts, welded broken parts and made adjustments on the engine to keep it running too many times to count.
I am just trying to get through this year before I dump this thing and buy something else.
My lawn is pretty flat and smooth so it’s not like it’s taking a beating.
I would never buy a single cylinder engine tractor
roger
I live in valley al. I purchased a 2013 24hp model 917_228856 craftsman yt 4000 like to know what you think about it.
Paul Sikkema
@Roger, I have given the 28856 a best buy for a few years now. It’s a good tractor with a great engine and deck. here is my review: 28856 Review
Brian Medley
I live in the Seattle WA area and just purchased a new house with two acres (about 1.5 acres in grass). Looking at the Craftsman 20403 and the Craftsman Pro 98645 (both 54 in.). They seem very similar but one has a B&S engine and the other has the Kohler. Which would you choose? Don’t care about the color differences and the prices seem comparable. Thanks for your help and assistance!
Paul Sikkema
@Brian, I’m recommending the 20403 for the rest of the year. The Pro was a test for the Sears Hardware stores and I’m not sure at this point if it will carry into 2015. You continue to get the best deals on the 20403.
Here is my review of the 20403: 20403 Review
Here is my review and the back-story on the Pro: Pro 54 GT
See All Buying Options and Online Only Deals Here for the 20403: Craftsman 24HP 54″ Complete Start Turn Tight Garden Tractor – Non CA 16″ X 6.5″ – 8″
Buy Online 24/7, Pickup At Your Local Sears at your convenience, or have it delivered to your home.
John Schroeder
Interesting because the salesman also told me ‘about’ a 4 inch cutting height after he measured it with a tape measure. But the owners manual still says 2.95″. I did not inspect his measurements myself so I will have to check when I bring it home. I hope you are both correct. I may have to change my mowing habits to three inches. Three is frequently the ‘recommended’ height anyway.
I feel better knowing that a mulching kit is available. I find no mention of it on the Husky web site. The only accessories listed are attachments.
Your links led to a Sears Garden Tractor. I infer then that they use the same deck. I also infer that I can buy spare blades and even the mulching kit at Sears. Still, somehow I am going to have to figure out the part numbers. The Owners Manual does not include a parts list or accessories.
Paul Sikkema
@John, Owners manuals have mistakes. In this case the height is for the Combi-deck. They never changed it for the 48 inch deck. By the way, with blue grass/fescues 3 inches is the minimum. If you can mow at 4 you will have a thicker lawn, less weeds and won’t need to water it as often.
Secret: All of these tractor and mowers sold at retail in the U.S. are made by only 4 manufactures in only 6 different factories. The 48 inch deck on your Rider is the same as on a Craftsman, Husqvarna, Poulan, Jonserd and Ariens.
In this article I have all the blade/mulch part numbers for the 48 inch decks. 48 inch accessories.. The attachments in the article are for tractors and won’t fit your rider.
John Schroeder
Downingtown, PA. Paul, Based upon your recommendation I decided to buy the Husky 322T AWD. Well, ‘I’ had already decided but your recommendation convinced my wife that it was a good idea. I located a dealer about an hourt and a half north who had one to show me. Lo and behold it was a demo model and they were selling it at a fair discount. I JUMPED at the chance. Now I realize I may have jumped a bit too hastily. The demo was the 48″ side discharge model. Not the combi which you recommended and I wanted.
The deal is done and I am not really interested in negotiating my way out of it. I am still excited to be getting the mower. I pick it up next weekend.
But do you or any of your followers have experience with the side discharge version? Sure would be great if someone could say “I have a side discharge and I never missed the mulching capability cause the side discharge shreds and scatters the clippings so evenly you won’t even notice that you are not mulching.”
Paul Sikkema
@John, Yes, I like the combi-deck but most of the dealers here in the U.S. are not familiar with it. So, they order the Rider with a deck they know, the 48 inch. So what’s the difference?
The combi deck allows you to trim on both sides. It is first a mulching deck, second a rear discharge deck. Being rear discharge it’s easy to pull a sweeper and pick up your clippings if you need to. On the downside, the combi is a European deck so it won’t mow as high as the 48. (about 3 inches verses 4 inches for the 48 inch)
The 48 inch deck is first a side discharge deck and a mulching deck second. This deck is the same deck Husqvarna uses on the tractors and zero-turns. It’s been around a long time and does an excellent job. You can get parts easily and there are 3 different types of blades available. (side discharge, mulching and Gator blades) It will actually mow better on your Rider because it follows the ground contours and the front casters on your mower are closer to the deck than the front wheels on a tractor. The deck is fully baffled so it will mulch well with mulching/Gator blades and the mulching plug. You can see a picture of the underside of the deck here. Click on the picture in this article. Finally the deck got a best buy rating here: Consumer Reports
John Dough
So they above tractors are recommended by you? And May I use any of them to tow things around the yard…such as a cart full of dirt, small trees and shrubs for planting (in a cart), and possibly a snow shovel attachment for a 40 ft driveway? Let me know thank you!
Paul Sikkema
@John, All of the tractors and riders will handle a cart but not all of them will handle the snow blade. In general any tractor under $1300 or that I rate as light duty is either too light or it is not designed to accept a snow blade.
If you want to add a snow blade all of these tractors will also need chains and weights for the rear tires (Deere uses a suitcase weight on the rear frame)
joe moore
i recently purchased a snapper lawn tractor model lt2452. the price was very good. can you tell me if it is a good tractor? thank you crossville tn.
Paul Sikkema
@Joe, The Snapper LT2452 was rated really well by Consumer Reports. I only know of a few in my area and the owners really like them. They mow well. You do have to go to a Snapper dealer to get blades and other parts.
John Dough
Hello all.
I am truly confused about reliability. I went over to Lowes yesterday and looked at a couple of models. I was attracted to the Husquarna as it seemed the best value for the money. I could buy the mower and bagger kit for what a john deere was running for. Everyone has heard of John Deere but the the salesmen said that Husquarna was a good riding mower and a better deal. He also said it had great reliability. Then he was relieved for a break and another salesman said the opposite. “Only go with John Deere” he said. Husquarna is returned all the time. Any thoughts? I have 3/4 of an acre with mostly flat lawn. Then front of the house has a small hit to one side and pretty lumpy tho I intend to roll it all out and fill the holes. Any suggestions would help. THanks!
Paul Sikkema
@John, The second Home Depot salesman is not seeing the big picture. Why? It has to do with service.
If there is a problem with a Deere it does not “come back” to the store. They go directly to the local John Deere Implement dealer. So no, he doesn’t see many Deere’s come back. By the way, for the same price you can get a Deere at The Home Depot and it is delivered to your home tested and ready to go. Here’s an example. John Deere Riding Lawn Mower. D125 42 in. 20 HP V-Twin Hydrostatic Front-Engine BG20709
If you have a problem with a new Husqvarna at Lowes though you are responsible for getting it back to an authorized dealer. Husqvarna tractors are just taken out of the crate at Lowes – they are not inspected or tested to see if there are any issues. In most cases new owners are not aware of this so they just return the tractor to the store-mad as an old wet hen. That’s why that salesman sees more Husqvarna’s coming back. (Lowes does have that extended warranty through Alquip where they come get your Husqvarna or Troy-Bilt tractor and then return it sometime…..)
So, what is my suggestion for you? 1. If you want a Husqvarna, use the dealer locator on Husqvarna.com and go to your local dealer. They will help you select the best tractor for you. Tell them you have been looking at Lowes and they should get real close to the Lowes price. You will like the overall experience and service (if you need it) a lot better.
2. If you want Husqvarna built tractor with a better motor and a lot better service than Lowes offers seriously take a look at the Craftsman. When looking at tractors from the retailers (Lowes, Sears, Tractor Supply and Home Depot) I am a big fan of Craftsman because of the knowledgeable sales associates and in-home service at Sears.
What tractor do I suggest for your lawn? Take a look at this Craftsman: 2014 Craftsman T2200 Model 20381 42 in Hydro 19hp Yard Tractor Review. For about the same money as the Husqvarna at Lowes you get the turn-tight steering and the Platinum Series Briggs engine. If you ever have a problem with a Craftsman just call 1-800-4MY-HOME and a qualified Sears Tech comes out to your house and works on your tractor.
Shawn
Is there any difference in the products sold by Home Depot, Tractor Supply and other dealers? I have heard that Home Depot has lower end products under the same models? Is this true?
Paul Sikkema
@Shawn, The simple answer is NO. But there is more to that and I am going to write a blog post over the next few days to give you the complete answer.
Mark Smith
Paul, First off great site. I live in Northern Michigan and we got pounded with snow last year. I finally give up and hired a plow service, even though I own a 2-stage walk behind blower. It was just relentless and cold. My dream is to open the garage door while sitting on a tractor that has a two stage blower on the front and clear the driveway and street in a short amount of time vs. 40 minutes of blowing with a walk behind. A plow here may or may not work because of snow banks. If we don’t get a decent thaw every now and again the banks get two high and you have to hire a service to come in and move your banks back.
I am looking at glorified garden tractors as a solution. For nostalgic and “made in USA” I like the John Deere X300. The hydro static trans looks like it could handle running the PTO to the 2-stage snow blower without exploding. However, it looks like it is a big job to switch attachments from mowing deck to blower. Also, is there anything better than chains? They just tear up the asphalt driveway.
I appreciate your insight and experience,
-Mark
Traverse City, MI
Paul Sikkema
If you want easy on and off for attachments the John Deere X738 is the way to go. Plus the 4 wheel drive will let you move snow without tearing up your driveway. If you want the ultimate in comfort Cozy Cab has just announced a full feature cab for the X700. 700 series Cozy Cab
Jesse
Hi I live in western PA and just bought a house. My dad gave me a used Murray and it has done enough but it’s cut it’s final lawn. I have about 1.3 acres, majority flat but uneven pitch. There is a backyard with a hill I don’t always cut but when needed I would like to use this tractor. It’s fairly steep. My 1980 Murray almost made it and it’s a 12 hp. I have heard horror stories about the “big box” deeres and similar tractors. Is there any truth to these tractors transmissions being complete garbage? Also I would like to be able to plow my driveway but that’s a luxury not a requirement. Any help would be great. Thanks!
Paul Sikkema
@Jesse, Well, the stories are somewhat true. Todays tractors are lighter than the old ones so you usually have to add wheel weights to get enough traction. Todays lawn tractors like the 100 series Deeres are made to mow lawns and they will not pull 1000 lbs loads or till your garden like the old 80 garden tractors did.
Craftsman’s 22HP 42” Turn Tight® Fast Riding Mower – 49 States
has a new transmission that is a lot more rugged than the hydros.
Husqvarna has YT42LS that has a locking rear differential. It will give you the best traction for the hills but you still may have to add rear weights or fluid in the tires.
You can add a snow plow to both of these tractors.
andy40906
So I am in the market for my 1st Garden Tractor and based on all the information I have read I am looking at the Husqvarna GT52XLS and the Craftsman G5500 model. Do you recommend or prefer one over the other? I do plan on using it for mowing and gardening and occasional hauling.
Thanks
Paul Sikkema
@Andy, If you listed mowing as your first priority I recommend the G5500
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24HP 54″ Complete Start™ Turn Tight® Garden Tractor – Non CA
Both are good for gardening and hauling but the stamped deck on the Craftsman has a better reputation for cutting well. You can use a bagger with it and there are more blade option. Plus the mulch kit is a lot less money than a mulch kit on the fabricated deck on the GT52XLS.
William Stander
Paul,
Great blog. I was going nuts trying to compare accurate info until I came to your site. I’m replacing a JD L120 to mow 2 acres, mostly flat, and occasionally pull a small cart with tree trimmings. I’m looking at the Craftsman 20391, and the Husqvarna YT48XLS. Besides the fabricated deck and heavier locking transmission, does the Husqvarna bring anything else to the table? Should I consider anything else? I can’t go bigger than a 48″, because I can’t get it into the shed!
Paul Sikkema
@William, Unless you have hills the Craftsman 20391 is the best choice for value and accessories. It’s basically $1000 less and there is not that much difference. The Husqvarna is a good tractor but if you ever want to bag the fabricated deck does not bag well. Also if the YT48XLS has the quick replace blades there is only one type of blade available.
Josh
Hi Paul, Sorry if this is a silly or repeated question but do you have any thoughts on CARB compliant vs. non-CARB compliant mowers? I don’t live in a state where I need one but part of me thinks that $50 for a cleaner environment is a good thing. The other part of me worries that you never get something for nothing so it must have less performance, reliability, etc. Thanks!
Paul Sikkema
@Josh, No question is silly! You can only purchase CARB compliant mowers if you live in California.
CARB mowers tend to have less power than and many now have extra emissions parts like catalytic converters. I know many people who live there would really like to buy out of state because of extra problems they have had.
Joe Branford
Hi Paul, I’m looking at the Craftsman 20391. Sounds good, but a fair number of the reviews mention issues with transmission grinding when in reverse. The Husqavarna YTH24V48FR seems very similar, but you said about it “they get the the fast speed from using different pulleys to drive the trans. I don’t recommend that you pull stuff like a driveway drag or a DR Grader with it”. Can you expand on the “using different pulleys” comment, and have you any insight to the possible grinding issue with the Craftsman?
BTW, I’m in Minnesota and looking for a tractor to handle a 1 acre sloped lot, and some occasional cart and lawn sweeper pulling.
Paul Sikkema
@Joe, The grinding noise is an isolated event. Of the thousands sold only a very few have had any transmission issues. If you happen to get one that’s bad, Sears fixes it or replaces it right away.
Instead of designing a high speed transmission for the YTH24V48FR all they did was change the engine to transmission rpm ratio by putting a larger than normal pulley on the engine and smaller one on the trans. In my opinion this changes the torque and may affect the longevity of the transmission.
Today both are $1899 and all things being equal the 20391 is the better deal. (Features, price and repair service)
Bob Anderson
Not so worried about the speed because you can’t mow that fast. More about mowing around obstacles like my fence. I work with a 22″ mower today, so most anything should be an improvement. Does that change your opinion? Either way, is it worth the extra money for the 42″ fast version?
Paul Sikkema
@Bob, yes that does change my opinion. I would go with the 22 HP V-Twin 48″ Turn Tight Fast Riding Mower – Non CA
The 46 inch 19 hp single cylinder Craftsman has vibration issues. (The 22 hp 46 Husqvarna does not)
Bob Anderson
Thanks for the info. This has really helped in the decision process. I am leaning towards the fast version because of the foot throttle. What are your thoughts? Also your one con was the width of the deck was the same as the wheels? Is that a huge deal? Should I move to a 46″? I won’t need it for dragging the road, but mowing along the edges. I have side by side and grader for the road.
Paul Sikkema
@Bob, Unless you have a fence that you want to mow really close to the 42 will do just fine. The fast version of that tractor would be a 48 inch. 22 HP V-Twin 48″ Turn Tight Fast Riding Mower – Non CA
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The 46 is a single cylinder.
Bob Anderson
Rogers, MN – Looking to mow a little less than a half acre, and looking into getting a rider. Just tired of walking twice a week, and kids sports are starting to dominate my life. I have some pretty open sections of property minus a backyard enclosed by a fence that contains numerous obstacles. I like the idea of the Craftsman with Turn Tight technology, but I wonder why Husqvarna isn’t using the technology since they make the mower. The 48″ Husqvarna at Lowe’s has great reviews, and the 46″ does as well. I just want a reliable mower I can use for many years. I will also use the mower at the cabin from time to time when we need to maintain the half mile of a road/driveway we have, so it needs to be durable. What are your thoughts?
Paul Sikkema
@Bob, Husqvarna currently builds that Craftsman. Some of the technology in the tractor is owned by Husqvarna but some of it is owned by Craftsman. Other new technology in the tractor (like the push button ignition) gets bid and the brands (Craftsman, Ariens, Jonserd, Lowes…) bid for first use.
For example, Lowes had the Fast Tractor last year but in reality Craftsman has had it for over 5 years. Craftsman didn’t own the rights but they got the bid to use it for 3 years before anyone else.
The hood that’s on the Ariens originally was a Craftsman Exclusive.
I’m not sure if Craftsman has the rights or owns the technology for the Turn-Tight but it is definitely their’s for a while.
The 19HP 42” Turn Tight® Hydrostatic Riding Mower – Non CA
is enough. You can pull a chunk of chain link to level the drive or the small DR grader.
Please stay away from the YTH24V48FR at Lowes if you are planning on doing driveway work. The tractor is a good tractor, but….they get the the fast speed from using different pulleys to drive the trans. I don’t recommend that you pull stuff like a driveway drag or a DR Grader with it. Just so you know the Craftsman 22HP 42” Turn Tight® Fast Riding Mower – 49 States
gets it’s speed from the transmission design, not an afterthought.
The 22 hp 46 inch Husqvarna will do the same job for you as the 42 inch 19 hp Craftsman.
John Schroeder
I am afraid to ask because I fear I know the answer. You said ” the combi decks only mow about 2 3/4 inches”. Do you mean no higher than 2 3/4 inches? I like to leave my lawn high. The Craftsman rarely leaves the #6 (highest) setting. If you meant no lower then I am good with that.
Paul Sikkema
@John, Yes, No higher than 3 1/2. The Europeans like their lawns short. I too like my bluegrass lawn high but I haven’t figured out yet how to get the deck higher. There is a 48 inch side discharge deck available also.
John Schroeder
I am really intrigued by the Husqvarna articulating mowers. My local H* dealer (Downingtown, PA) tells my he thinks they are only sold in Europe.
I have a 1.1 acre lot with a steep back yard and lots of ground contour elsewhere. Then there are fences and groves of trees and bushes and raised beds and, well, you get the idea. And I love to putter. I mean like hauling 10 yards of mushroom soil or top soil or a lawn sweeper or spreader or firewood. It sounds like the AWD model would suit me very well.
My c2005 Craftsman is burning about a half cup of oil per cutting. I figure by September or October I will have killed it most sincerely dead. I am looking for options and the H* looks like a perfect fit.
Paul Sikkema
@John, It’s really interesting how little most dealers know about the products they sell. My local dealer has sold quite a few of the riders over the last 15 years.
It does sound like the R 322T AWD will be perfect for you. I suggest you get one with the 103 or 112 Combi deck. Search “husqvarna r 322t AWD” on youtube if you are not familiar with these decks.
There are 3 models of the Husqvarna Rider available in the U.S. (There are 16 models available in Europe) The R 120S, R 220T, and the R 322T AWD. All he has to do is talk to his Rep and he can get the R 322T for you.
Just so you know: The articulating rider is the mower of choice in Europe. In fact they just laugh at the zero-turn mowers we have over here. The articulating riders don’t tear up turf, follow the ground contours and the AWD models go up hills very well. They have many attachments for them including snow blowers, plows, sweepers and flail mowers. The only thing you should know is the combi decks only mow about 2 3/4 inches. They are perfect for lawns but if you mow pasture or other rough land you should buy the flail mower for those tasks.
My front lawn has a lot of contours and any lawn tractor will scalp and leave patches. The 1999 Husqvarna 970 Rider I own follows every dip and bump and the lawn looks like you mowed it with a push mower when you are done. The 103 and 112 combi decks will even do a better job than my old one does.
Nicholas
Great site and thanks for responding to commenters. I have a one acre flat lot but wanted to get something oversized to do some minor grading, flattening of uneven (but still flat) ground. Dealer told me a 700 series deere would be needed! I had started at the d140!! So my questions are, can no garden tractor engage the earth in the slightest? D160 or 170? Even if i cant do a three point hitch, what if a connection could be improvised? Nicholas in leawood, kansas.
Paul Sikkema
@Nicholas, The dealer is correct. John Deere doesn’t make a “Garden Tractor” They jump from lawn mowers (lawn tractors) right up to sub-compacts. The 700 series can handle some ground engaging tasks but they really don’t get good at moving dirt until you get to the 1023E.
The D160 and D170 are lawn mowers, period. The transmission is designed to mow lawn and pull a yard cart. You will destroy it if you use it for dirt work.
Now there are a few Garden Tractors left. Here is a short article I wrote this spring: Garden Tractor Comparison. The tractors listed can handle a sleeve hitch and the attachments that go on it.
This year my first choice for a Garden Tractor is the Craftsman 20403. Go here to read my review: Craftsman G5500 Model 20403 Reiview
Laurence
Hi Paul,
Any news regarding whether (or when) Briggs & Stratton “Quiet Power Technology” will be coming to a lawn/yard/garden tractor? I consider any significant reduction in noise as welcome news; I look forward to the day.
Thank you for any light you may be able to shed on this.
regards, Laurence
Paul Sikkema
@Laurence, No official word but I know Husqvarna is quite aware that you want a quieter muffler on their tractors. The biggest problem I see is where to put a larger muffler.
I know you will see quieter engines on snow blowers this year (I can’t tell you about them until August 2nd)
The Raven MPV-7100 is a lot quieter than anything else on the market right now and a lot of people are commenting about it.
Steven Boudreaux
Thanks for the quick response. Keep up the good work you are doing here. Very informative site. I have A dealer 2 miles from me. Hope they are A good one. I guess I just have to roll the dice on that one. 🙂
Steve
Hello Paul, I am looking at the YT42LS and the YT42 XLS mowers from Husqvarna. Which would give me A better cut The 3 blade XLS or the 2 blade LS? Also , which would mulch better?
Paul Sikkema
@Steve, The Husqvarna YT42LS cuts better and mulches better. It also bags well and you can get blades for it almost anywhere. That 42 inch deck has one of the best reputations for cutting, mulching and bagging.
The XLS on the other hand: In fact I have been getting too many complaints from owners that the 3 blade XLS deck does not cut well at all.
Joyce Rush
Deerwood, MN Thanks so much. I’ll look into these.
I looked at the Cub Cadet GT2148 today at a local dealer as well as a JD730. The JD is way too expensive. More to follow.
Joyce
Deerwood, MN I have a four year old JD X300, rear discharge, and the transmission has gone out. I mow about four fairly level acres of pretty rough grass, maybe blow snow, as well as use the tractor to pull a small JD wagon of misc stuff around the farm. I’m thinking that I need to move up to a Lawn/Garden tractor. We are rural here so service is very important. JD service is good. I need help deciding on what I need. Thanks
Paul Sikkema
@Joyce, You are about 20 miles from Brainerd. There are 2 “preferred” Husqvarna Dealers there. I suggest looking at the Husqvanra GT54LS, GT53XLS, or the GT52XLSi. These dealer-only mowers have the heavy duty rear end you want, heavy duty decks that will put up with rough land and still give you a better ride than your X300.
Here is the link to the GT52XLSi.
By the way, I would suggest the Simplicity Conquest but your closest dealer is in Pequot Lakes.
Rick Hantz
Issaquah, WA Load was about 350#, about half what my old Craftsman could haul with filled rear tires.
Paul Sikkema
@Rick, I should have explained a little more in my last comment. Be careful about how much you are pulling. It’s not what you can pull, but more what you should pull. The Element V is rated for around 650 lbs total load (tractor and trailer) or about 500 lbs on the rear end. Most of the hydro transmissions in other lawn tractors (like the Craftsman 20401 or the John Deere D160) are only rated for 350 lbs. Max. Static Weight on Axle.
What does that mean? You can pull heavy loads once in a while, but if you do it regularly you stand the chance of tearing out the transmission prematurely. Pulling 350 lbs on flat land may be OK but pulling 50 loads up a 5% grade may destroy the trans. I wrecked a K46 transmission in less than a year before I knew that. Nowdays I only pull heavy loads with a manual transmission (an old Craftsman) or the new Raven (also has a manual trans.)
I expect the trans in the 20390 to hold up well and if there is any wear it will be on the CVT belt.
David Smith
Thanks for all the helpful advice on this site Paul. I just bought a home with 3.4 acres: hills, marshy on one end, woody on the other. I was considering the Craftsman 20390 based on what I’ve read. If you think I should consider something else, I’m open and learning. Also, since I live in Eden Prairie Minnesota, and have a Long driveway that curves uphill, I need to consider the snow factor.. Was leaning towards a snow blower attachment vs a plow. Would that be the way to go? And do you have a snow blower attachment that you recommend for the 20390 or other mower you might recommend? However, I’ve also read in other reviews that one should buy 2 separate pieces of equipment: a lawn tractor and a snow blower (not a blower attachment for the mower). ..As they say the snow blower attachment adds to the wear and tear on the mower and is not worth the cost. Any thoughts on that? Thanks so much. David
Paul Sikkema
@David, If you are planning on mowing more than 1 acre I suggest you look at the Model 20391 instead, The 48 inch deck will save you a lot of time mowing 2-3 acres. The wider tires in the rear will also help if you decide to put a snow blower on it.
If your driveway is less than 150 feet I suggest a walk-behind snow blower over a tractor mounted. Tractor mounted snow blowers can be very cumbersome to use in tight areas. They work best for long straight stretches of driveways. A 42 inch Craftsman tractor mounted snow blower will cost $1500 for the snow blower, weights and chains, $2300 for the 50 inch. With the heavy wet snows we can get you need to have at least one extra set of belts at all times ($125)
A good 2-stage walk-behind like an Ariens Deluxe 28, Platinum 30, or Husqvarna 300 Series can easily clean you drive in two passes (up and down the drive twice) Plus these snow blowers will be able to clean off your patio or make a spot for your dogs.
A snow blade works well for 2 to 4 inches of snow but since we get 10 to 20 inchers 3 or 4 times a year it won’t work very well in our area (I live in Chippewa Falls)
A really good combination for you would be a good 2-stage walk-behind for the heavy snows, and the 20391 with a snow blade for those light snows.
Dominc
Hi Paul,
Thanks for providing a wealth of information to those who are trying to research lawn equipment online. My wife and I are about to move to Fawn Grove, PA to a place with 2.5 acres of mostly flat lawn (but with a few gradual hills and a couple of smaller steeper ones approx. 6′ in elevation change), so I will be looking at purchasing my first tractor. I’ve been cutting the grass at my mother in law’s place for the past few years using a Cub Cadet 1000 series first (that was in the shop more than on the lawn) and later with a John Deere D170 (which has been a decent mower), so I do have some experience with the lawn tractor class. I was looking at getting something a bit more rugged than the aforementioned models for our place to cut lawn, push a snow blade, pull a dump cart, and maybe in the future, till a garden. After looking into the info you have so graciously provided on this site, it looks like I would want something in the garden tractor class to meet my needs. With that said, there are 3 models that I’ve been looking in to and I was hoping you could provide your opinion on…
1) Husqvarna GT52XLSi
2) Snapper YT400
3) John Deere X500
Obviously, the models I am looking at span a wide price range but I wanted to see if you can explain what the differences in features, ruggedness, and overall durability are at each of these price levels. While the Husqvarna is at the most attractive price point, I’ve always had a “buy once, cry once” philosophy, so if the Snapper or Deere is a far superior machine I’d rather spend the money now on something that will last rather than having to buy another tractor a few years down the road. I also wanted to see if there are any other models with a 50+” deck that you think I should look at, I was originally looking at a Deere X320, but it seemed more like a glorified D170 than different class of machine like the X500.
Thanks for your help Paul!
Dominic
Paul Sikkema
@Dominic, The Snapper/Simplicity tractor is a different mowing experience than the John Deere or Husqvarna. The Snapper uses a ground hugging deck that follows the contours of your lawn. The deck stripes your lawn so if you are looking for that baseball field look this is the one. But, there is a rumor that Snapper is up for sale again…so getting parts in the future may be an issue.
The Husqvarna and Snapper use the same transmission. The engines are comparable. The Snapper uses a rigid frame so it appears to be a stronger, more durable tractor. The Snapper has better steering.
The X500 is a great tractor but I would opt for the X534. Since you will be keeping this tractor for many years you will be glad you spent the extra money on the power steering. The 500 series transmission is 20% heavier duty then the one in the other two tractors. It is fully rated for any task including a garden tiller.
Is the X534 worth a much as the other two put together? Yes, If your are going for long term durability, a great cut and an easy to use tractor this is the best you can get without moving into the compact tractor class.
Michael
Hi Paul,
Looking for my first riding mower. i live in Charlotte, NC with very little snow. 3/4 acre lawn with a small slope. Need a reliable brand recommendation. Don’t want to be going to the shop for frequent repairs.
rickhantz
Issaquah, Wa Craftsman Model 20390: Cut my lawn once, and hauled a partial load of gravel up my hill. I haven’t done any modifications yet. First off, traction on hills, either mowing or towing is poor at full throttle and no weights added. Spun out a lot. Cutting the power down 25-30% helped a lot. 22HP is overpowered as is.
Next week, I’ll take the rear tires off and have them filled with liquid rubber, adding about 85# each (total 170#). Takes a week to have done. It helped my old Craftsman Lawn tractor tremendously.
I’ll comment again once this is done and I have tried it.
Paul Sikkema
@Rick, Please remember – a partial load of gravel in a 10 cu. ft. cart is over 500 lbs! A half load of landscaping pavers in a 12 cu. ft. cart can weigh almost 1000 lbs. That’s what I really like about the Raven MPV-7100 that I have. It weighs about 850 lbs and it will pull just about anything I try to move!
One thing to know though for anyone else considering installing weights. Consider your lawn and the soil before you add weight. Some lawns are too soft for too much weight and your tractor will leave tire tracks (grooves) in your lawn. Commercial mowers using the big zero-turns on residential lawns run into this problem especially in the spring. Always mow in a different direction each time you mow and you will reduce this tracking a lot.
John O'Donnell
Thanks, Paul, for your suggestions. And thank you for providing this service to the community. Right now I’m leaning toward the Craftsman 20390. I’m reluctant to go with the JD because the difficulty with reverse mowing. I really liked the Husquvarna with the locking differential, but it a little beyond my price range. My only concern is the online reviews, including Sears own site. They seem less than stellar. Do you feel this is a machine that will last many years and give good service? Does the snow plow work well? Will it work on an inclined driveway?
Paul Sikkema
@John, I went through the current reviews on Sears and there are 27 positive and 5 negative reviews (one negative is for an older mower) Considering there are easily 4000 sold I’m confident the mower is a good machine. Usually 1 person out of 20 who has a negative experience writes a review, while only 1 out of 500 or so will write a positive review. To have a 5 to 1 ratio of good reviews tells me most people are really enjoying their mower. That said,
The manufacture is really pushed to make tractors as fast as it can this year. Besides a record year for Craftsman the manufacture is seeing an increase in sales of their own brand and also has introduced another brand into the market (they have to make all those tractors) Oh, and it’s time to make snow blowers………Because of that I am seeing more initial manufacturing defects than normal.
Craftsman is standing behind their tractors and replacing or fixing the tractors that are assembled wrong. In May the wait time was 2-3 weeks for a repair but now it is closer to 1 week. Once the factory defects are fixed there are no problems with the tractor.
My suggestion is buy the tractor and purchase the 3 year protection plan. If there are any issues with the mower Craftsman will repair it and the Protection Plan will insure there is never a charge for the repair, a trip charge to your home or any charge for labor. (The tech does not have to determine if the defect is a factory warranty repair – he just fixes it) If the tractor can’t be repaired you get a new tractor.
Now, Sears will refund every penny of the protection plan in the first two years if for any reason you feel it is not a good deal. (even if you use the protection plan) So at 23 months decide if you want your money back on the protection plan. By then any bugs from the manufacture will have reared their ugly heads.
– The drive pedal is 3/4 of an inch higher than last years hydro pedal. Anyone with a size 10 or larger shoe has no problems with the pedal. I suggest everyone else go to a store and play with the pedal first to see if you can drive it easily.
Some other things I highly recommend you do to the new tractor besides what is in the operators manual.
– reduce the tire pressure to 12 psi
– Grease the front steering and wheel hubs. The front axle and front wheel hubs do not have grease from the factory and the instructions in the manual are very unclear. Use a grease gun and grease it when you first get the mower and then every 25 hours.
– Before you start it for the first time look under the mower on top of the deck and follow the belt from the engine down to the deck and around all the pulleys. (Sometimes the belt will pop off when the store takes it out of the crate)
Please understand I’m not making excuses for Craftsman. I am actually very pleased that they are listening and fixing issues as quickly as they pop up this year.
John O'Donnell
Hi Paul,
I live in central Pennsylvania on 7+ acres. I have an acre of mowable lawn. It is mostly flat, but studded with numerous flower beds. The rest of the property is mostly wooded. I have several trails that I keep open, and an wet land area down by a creek which I also cut. I have a metal lawn cart with which I haul wood. I have a John Deere LT155 with a 38″ deck which I bought in 1998. I am scrupulous with maintenance which I do myself. That being said, given the nature of the property, it has taken quite a beating over the past 16 seasons. Yesterday, my steering went out. I’m not going to be able to repair this myself, so I’m looking at a fairly pricy repair for a 16 year old tractor.
Therefore I’m in the market for a new lawn tractor. Initially, I planned to buy another JD. Mine certainly held up to quite a beating. However, I’m not sure the value equation is still there. Also, I was never really impressed with the quality of the cut I got from the JD. What I’m looking for is something in the 42″ deck range, mows in reverse, and above all, durable! I would like it to be user serviceable. My LT155 is not. For example, it is a real hassle to remove the deck. I also need to haul a lawn cart. Finally, it would be great if it would support a plow for clearing snow from my driveway.
I’d sure appreciate any advice.
Paul Sikkema
@John, Besides what you listed, I am going to assume that you would like a tractor that rides well over bumpy terrain, cuts well for your lawn, yet is a little heavier duty so you can cut small woody plants. There is really nothing heavier duty in the 42 inch range. I’ll list a few 42 inch models that most homeowners feel are good value machines. These tractors are easy to get parts for.
Direct replacement for your LT155: Craftsman 22HP 42” Turn Tight® Fast Riding Mower – 49 States
John Deere: John Deere Riding Lawn Mower. D125 42 in. 20 HP V-Twin Hydrostatic Front-Engine BG20709
Unfortunately to get a heavier tractor or a tractor with larger tires you have to go up to a 48 inch deck. If you built your landscaping for a 42 inch mower you may have to “adjust” it for a 48 inch deck.
A little better than your LT155: Craftsman: 24HP 48” Hydrostatic Transmission Turn Tight® Garden Tractor – Non CA
John Deere: John Deere Lawn Mower. D160 48 in. 25 HP V-Twin Hydrostatic Front Engine Riding Mower
A better tractor with a good mowing deck: (Dealer Only) Deere X320
A better tractor with a heavy duty deck: Husqvarna GT48XLSi
Finally – There is one tractor on the market that may be the best for you. This tractor has the same size tires as your old tractor, a heavy-duty welded deck, locking differential and a heavy duty frame. Again this a dealer only tractor. Husqvarna YT42XLS
Tom Watt
Paul, Are there any husqvarna tractors that have the FS Kawasaki engine. Is this a better engine that the FR engine
Paul Sikkema
@Tom, No, Yes.
The FS is a commercial engine and those engines are designed to operate more hours in a week than most tractor owners put on their machine in a year. 1500-2500 is common before the motor needs repair
Tractors are designed as residential machines and 500 hours is typically a lot of hours over a 10 year period. The FR series is durable enough to outlast the tractor.
Brian
Hi Paul, We’re looking for a tough mower to keep our acer yard looking nice, evenly cut with one pass and no clippings to mulch or pick up. I want to finish the mowing task as quickly as possible. I’d also like to push or blow snow with it in the winter. I don’t have a clue where to start. What are my best options?
Lou Renshaw
Hi Paul,
My John Deer L111 needs a new mower deck, and the transmission is showing signs of going. Time for a new tractor. But when I look at ratings on ANY brand of Consumer Reports, etc. recommended tractors, it seems that anything under $4000 isn’t holding up well for more than a year. Even when most of them are rated 4 stars or higher, looking at how long they used it before commenting and raving about it was usually less than 3 mos. Looking for long-term record was difficult, but those that rated it lower seemed to have had it more than a year. After all this research, I am discouraged and just want to find a sturdy, well-made, dependable, long-lasting tractor for my 3 acres (almost all flat except for one small hill). I don’t need attachments, though it would be nice to be able to pull a cart with tree limbs or such across the yard infrequently. I really want hydrostatic, and need automatic. What would you recommend? And what are the pros and cons of those that you would recommend? Thank you!
Paul Sikkema
@Lou, If you were happy with your L111 and the service from John Deere the John Deere Riding Lawn Mower. D160 48 in. 25 HP V-Twin Hydrostatic Front-Engine BG20738
is a good replacement. If this mower does not have the reputation you want take a look at the X320 at your local Deere dealer.
If you are looking for a different brand the Simplicity Broadmoor has a great reputation. The new rear suspension makes the tractor one of the best riding tractors on the market.
paul harney
Paul, I want to buy a mower for 2.5 acres, mostly flat, slight inclines and slopes, normal grass. I want to be able to use it for hauling dirt and aerating, sometimes. Possible bagger or mulcher, depends on if I need it if grass isn’t cut well enough. Cutting down mowing time is important. What do you recommend in $2500+ price range? Maybe a snowblower, not sure though, have a good one now but entertain option.
Thanksvand love your detailed reviews,
Paul
Paul Sikkema
@Paul, I’m sorry, your comment got caught in the spam filter. The G5100 Craftsman, D160 John Deere, Ariens Garden Tractor 54, Cub Cadet LGT1054, and the Husqvarna LGT 2654 are all good choices. All have large tires so they ride well, all can handle a snow blower down the line and all are very dependable for your terrain and for what you want to do.
If you want to buy from a retailer I always suggest the G5100 Craftsmanfirst because I like Sears service. If you want to buy locally see what dealers are in your area and then go talk to them. listen to their sales pitch and then buy from the one you trust the most.
chad brinkley
3 of the 5 acres needs to be kept like a lawn. The grass is typical for tx with a mix of bermuda, johnson, and field grasses. Terrain is flat with few obstacles. I will mo_ every other week
Paul Sikkema
@Chad, Start with these.
Bare minimum – 54″ 24 HP V-Twin Complete Start™ Zero-Turn Riding Mower Non CA
A better choice for your property: Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 54 in. 23 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 933101
chad brinkley
Ive got 5 acres in leander, tx that need to be mowed. Any suggestions
Paul Sikkema
@Chad, How often do you want to mow it? What type of grass does it have on it? Is it a lawn or just a field that needs to be mowed? How tall is it now?
Josh Moore
Hi Paul, You just mentioned the YT42LS (which I think has a Kawasaki engine) as being your choice for mowing an acre. Just curious, why not the YT46LS? I’m asking because I’m torn between those two right now. This is probably naive, but my thought was that the 46″ cut just helps get the job done faster and everything else between the two is essentially equal.
Thanks,
Josh
Paul Sikkema
@Josh, It’s a personal thing. First, If I ever wanted to put 10 inch tires on the tractor (for snow blowing) or if I ever wanted to put chains on the tractor with the mower deck on (for hills) The clearance between the left rear of the 46 deck and the tires is too small. The deck will rub on the tires or get caught on the chains.
Second, with the discharge down on the 42 inch the width is about 48-50 inches. With the chute down on the 46 the width is 56 inches. The discharge chute on the 46 is a lot longer than the one on the 42.
Your idea is logical, wider is better but the actual time difference on one acre is less than 6 minutes.
ofelia
Hi Paul, THANKS for all effort/time put into answering all questions. We have 5ac of which 3.5ac are “maintained”, between ~2ac grass and the rest are woods (pines, oaks, hickories) with heavy leaves/needles, which I would like to collect once or twice a year to mulch my beds. I was looking at the Cyclone Rake but first I need to replace my 12 yr/1100hrs Scotts mower, which is not reliable any longer (my husband replaced the engine about 4yrs.ago). I also haul a lot of dirt, mulch, rocks for landscaping. Use it with a 25 gal sprayer as well. A LOT!!! No snow, no attachments. The yard has berms, lots of “dimples”, and the front is sloped. I want a 42″ deck as I have some tight paths between beds, but I want the 20+HP too and twin engine. The Scotts was a lemon from start but we are stubborn and hang on to things for dear life. I need a reliable, GOOD serviceable transmission, safe for mowing slopes on sides (can’t do up-down hill, just sideway) workhorse, just like me…LOL (I literally spend all non-rainy light-hours outside working, and light drizzle or dusk don’t count…) Power, or at least EASY steering would be awesome as my hands get weaker & hurt more and longer these days… At least 50 trees on grass area, so a tight radius would help, but is secondary to reliability and long life. I need a wheel I could handle with one hand while I spray with the other. And the price…. oh, the price! Well, you get the point. I think 5-7K on a residential use mower is a rip-off, but I would pay in the 3K, preferably less, if I can get all the must-haves. I looked at JD 100’s & 300’s series but I don’t know, less confident know after reading the reviews on transmission issues. I also tend to go for “tried and true”. Hasqvarna: pretty good experience with our chain-saws, but my Stihl beats it by a long shot; Cub cadet:not so good with our zero turn, keeps on blowing belts, transmission, etc. Just very costly and frustrating. We sort of had bad luck with our Craftsman tools… and most definitely with Sears service ppl! But then, sadly, both tools and service are not what they used to be years ago!
PLEASE help me out by giving me YOUR top 3 choices for my needs.Thank you so much. Ofelia
Paul Sikkema
@Ofelia, My top 3 choices for you are all Husqvarna’s. The YT42XLS Kohler, YT42XLS Kawasaki, and the YT42LS Kawasaki are all good tractors with rear locking differential, great engines, and good cutting decks. They will all handle your hills well and everything else you want to do.
All 3 are less than $2600 and available only at a Husqvarna dealer. You can’t get them at a retail store like Lowes.
Frank Blair
Hi Paul,
Reading through the comments and I’m trying to decide on a lawn tractor for mowing approximately 1/3-1/2 acre, fairly flat (a little bit of slope) outside of Louisville, KY. I had been looking at the JD 130 but after seeing some reviews of the Craftsman 20381 and the 20390 I think I’m leaning towards one of them. I don’t mind paying the extra for the 20390 if it’s warranted but Ir eally think the 20381 would handle what I need, I just wonder about the 1cylinder vs. 2 cylinder motor. It seems most of the “rage” right now is to go 2 cylinder, if not just for less rattle/less noise. Are there any other big differences I should be considering between these two mowers?
Paul Sikkema
@Frank, The 20381 will handle your lawn. It has plenty of power for all tasks. It is the most popular mower because of the price and features. The twin is smoother and there is nothing like a v-twin for the sound.
The real decision is the drive control. Anyone who has owned a Craftsman in the past likes the fender control on the 20381. If you have leg issues it is also a good choice. The lever stays where you put it.
The 20390 uses a foot control like the D125/D130. The 20390 has cruise for the long stretches of lawn. A few people don’t like the foot control because it is about 3/4 inch higher than the pedal on the D130. It is longer because the trator goes 7.5 mph.
David J
hello Paul,
Do you have any opinions on the Husqvarna YT42XLS?
I will soon have 1 acre to mow that has a number of trees to go around, some slope to the terrain, and about 1/3 of the acre is natural grass instead of turf grass with some soft sandy soil…the other 2/3 of the yard has St Augustine grass. This is in Texas.
I like the idea of the 42 inch deck with the 23 hp Kawasaki engine for more help on the slope and soft soil, plus it has the locking differential.
I was previously looking at the John Deere X300, but it has the 18.5 hp engine and no locking diff.
The Husqvarna has a better price, but I have not looked at it yet to see if the frame and steering components match up to the JD X300.
Any thoughts?
Paul Sikkema
@David, If I were to buy a lawn tractor for my one acre right now it would be the YT42LS. I like the larger front tires for flotation and the diff lock. I’ve had very good luck with the Kohler. (I know Kawasaki is all the rage right now) The engine is up to you but I would not spend any extra money on the Kawasaki.
The Husqvarna uses a different frame design than the Deere. It flexes to give you more grip on all four tires going through dips and bumps. You may find that a little disconcerting if you are moving from a Deere or Cub Cadet with their stiff frame design. (The chassis has a 5 year warranty) Component-wise the steering is comparable but you may want to sit on each one to get the feel of the steering for you.
Paul Smit
Paul, thank you for the quick response. Your comments about the availability of the Pro models and parts make sense – there is only 1 location in the Chicagoland area that is reasonably close and it is 40 miles away. That would make it tough to service, etc. I was hoping you wouldn’t say go with the Kohler as i had looked for a bit at zero turns until i read your cautions about them in hilly situations and read other stuff about them not working so well around water, etc. or at least being potentially dangerous. So with the Pro being over 2,000 i knew zero turns were in the 2-3K range from your info and i was trying to stay on the cheap without being penny wise and pound foolish and trying to stay out of the range of the zero turns – i know from your info they can get alot more expensive and you had said you really need the commercial models for a quality job. thanks again for the guidance. Great website and great service you provide. i wish i could give back somehow……
Paul Sikkema
@Paul, Your Welcome, You may give back in 2 ways. Tell your friends about todaysmower and when you need a snow blower come visit my other site movingsnow.com
Paul Sikkema
@William, You’re welcome! The 20373 is a basic riding mower and has a CVT automatic transmission. You put the tractor in F to go forward and then step on the right foot control. It will mow in reverse but it will not accept a snow blower and I don’t recommend putting a snowplow on it. It is made for Craftsman by MTD. This is Craftsman’s economy line.
For $200 more you can get the 20381 which has a better motor, hydrostatic transmission and the 6 inch turn-tight steering. It has a heavy cast iron front axe and will accept a snow blower or snow plow. It’s made for Craftsman by Husqvarna. When you think of Craftsman quality this is it!
Paul Smit
Hi Paul,
I have read alot of your posts here and thank you very much for all the good information on your site. I have a question. By reading your guidance, i had decided on the Sears 42″ Craftsman 20390 model (red). My yard is about 2 acres but alot of woods so about 1 acre mowable but it is very slopey. So i figured the 22 HP B&S engine would be best fit and I believe you have said the transmission is better on these than others of lower HP. We have a long driveway and get lots of snow so i was thinking of using it for plowing and snowblowing also. I just ran across a Sears Craftman Professional that has the same specs or seemingly the same specs but is on sale for $1,950 (reg price is about 2,800). Appears to be made by Hasqvarna also. The one difference seems to be a Kohler engine. I have been watching the 20390 and the reg sale price seems to be 1,699 but it has been as low as 1,599 or 1,615, etc. Is the Professional model worth the extra money? My neighbor has an old Cub Cadet and was telling me he heard Kohler’s were the best engines. His Cub Cadet is an older model however, so it may be better built than the newer ones. thanks again for all the good info! Paul, St. John, Indiana
Paul Sikkema
@Paul The Kohler/Briggs is a Ford/Chevy thing. Some people love Kohler’s and hate Briggs, Many others would have nothing but a Briggs. That said, the Briggs in the 20390 is the same quality as the new Kohler 7000 in the pro. Other brands are not charging extra for the Kohler.
The Pro has a “reinforced” deck, meaning it has a flat piece of steel that wraps around the bottom of the deck. It also has the new quick change blade system that has only one style of blade available for it and you can only get that blade at a Searshometown store. (the hometown stores are no longer part of sears) Finally you will not be able to get parts for it at a regular Sears store. You will have to get parts and service from the hometown store where you purchased it.
The 20390 is a great deal right now. $1614 with free delivery through 6/15 plus an extra 5% off or no interest for 12 months with a Sears card.
Ryan Lashley
Paul,
Fort Atkinson, WI
I have a half acre lot, some trees and a slope on one side of the lot. I may be going beyond my needs but i was thinking about one of the larger D Deere Models but since they’re pushing the 3k mark would I be better served spending a couple hundred more and getting a X300. They seam to hold their value very well, have a very good warranty, made right up the road from me and may give me more versatility should my needs ever increase. Any thoughts would be great.
Best regards,
Ryan
Paul Sikkema
@Ryan, Good choice. For a 1/2 acre a 42 inch deck is really all you need.
Personally I like the X310 series. Good engine, better Hydro Trans, power steering. electric lift, 48 month or 300 hour warranty. I’m not a big fan of the X300 series because they have the K46 transthat tends to have more issues than most other trans.
Jay Andrew
Hi Paul,
I can’t decide between the John Deere D140 and the Husqvarna YTH24V48FR. I live in Wisconsin and line on a 3/4 acre mostly flat lot. I am not concerned about any snow attachments, but I would like to attach the bagger in the fall and mulch in the summer time. Both have good reviews for the most part. I see people complaining about the deck catching more grass clippings on the Husqvarna. What is your opinion on the Husqvarna or om I just up paying for the John Deere name? I am planning on buying it from Lowes with the extended warranty.
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Jay
Paul Sikkema
@Jay, That a really tough decison. The features of each tractor are basically the same and the price is only $100 different. The hp is confusing because there was a federal ruling change for 2014. I don’t know if the Husqvarna is a last year’s model (because of the high number of reviews). If it is last years model the 24 hp in it and the 22 hp in the John Deere are the same. I guess it boils down to…what color would you prefer in your garage, Green or Orange?
I would find out from Lowes where your mower will be serviced before I buy the extended warranty. Why?
First, It’s not administered by Lowes. It is an independent service plan company.
Second, The Service plan company has contracted with a repair company and that repair company comes and gets your tractor and transports it to a remote location (usually not a John Deere or Husqvarna Dealer) In some areas of the country the repair center may be 150 miles from where you live. There are a few comments from owners on this site where the tractor was gone for 3 months or more.
Third, This is an extended warranty. It only covers factory defects. Unfortunately at least 85% of the normal things that go wrong with your tractor are not factory defects. For example, preventative maintenance parts: batteries, belts, blades, filters, fluids, spark plugs, tires and fuel related issues are not covered under extended warranties. (the Home Depot and Sears Protection Plans cover more, that’s why they are more expensive)
Bob Tuscan
Bob from Ohio
What to you think of the Cub Cadet LGT 1054 ? I wrote you about the Husky yesterday , I agree the tires are to small . I mow 5 acres
Thanks
BOB
Paul Sikkema
@Bob, the Cub Cadet Riding Lawn Mower. 54 in. 26 HP V-Twin Hydrostatic Drive Front-Engine LGT1054
is one of the Light Garden Tractors available. These all have larger wheels so you can mow at the correct height and they all ride a little smoother than the LTH models.
The Craftsman Model 20401, The John Deere D160 and the Husqvarna LGT2 at Lowes are all examples of this type of mower. They are good mowers for flat lawns. Don’t expect them to do the same things as the heavier duty Garden Tractors
corey
Hi Paul,
I live outside of Detroit, MI. I’m on the market for a new rider. I’ve noticed that you rate the Craftsman’s fairly high for their price. I would like to spend under $2,000 for a good quality mower that will last and give me a good, fairly quick cut on my roughly 2 acres of property. I like what I’m seeing with the Tight Turn (my current mower has a terrible turning radius). Can you help give me a good recommendation of which mower I should purchase or maybe what questions I should ask when I go and look? Thank you so much in advance for your help.
Paul Sikkema
@Corey, Yes, the 22 HP V-Twin 48″ Turn Tight Fast Riding Mower – Non CA
is a very good choice for 2 acres.
Here is my review and the attachments you can get for it. Start there and feel free to ask more questions.
Craftsman T3200 Model 20391 Review
Laurence
Hi Paul,
Any idea as to what happened to the Massey Ferguson 2800 Series Garden Tractors? (The listing for them is no longer on their website: https://www.masseylawn.com/lawn-garden-tractors/ ) Perhaps their Garden Tractor line is being ‘refreshed’. . . ?
Or I wonder if the 2700 Series Yard Tractor is now intended to replace the above and do triple duty, Lawn, Yard, and Garden work? And if so, would you say whether it is well capable of performing various ground engagement work, not tilling the ground only, but also plowing with a Sleeve Hitch Moldboard Plow as well?
As always, thank you Paul for your assistance, and shared insights.
Regards,
Laurence
NS, Canada
Paul Sikkema
@Laurence, Those tractors are the same as the Simpicity PRESTIGE made by Briggs & Stratton. Briggs changed the CONQUEST and PRESTIGE to the a new tractor with a suspension and Massey probably decided it didn’t want to follow. These tractors cost almost as much as their GC1700 and GC2400 compact utility so the demand may no longer be there.
The 2700 has a solid K66 transmission capable of ground engaging work. The only thing I don’t know is if it can accept the sleeve hitch. If the rear end slopes (the rear panel of the frame) it can accept a sleeve hitch. Here is a picture of a sloped rear end. Do you see how the rear frame slopes?
A rear frame that is straight up and down can’t accept the sleeve hitch
JJ Bélanger
Hi Paul…
I live in Northern Ontario, Canada. I’m purchasing my first riding mower for my camp/cottage. We have about 1 acre of slightly wooded (about 12 very old growth 15-20″ diameter trees) area that we keep groomed. The area has 1 continuous hill that is about 40′ long with a 15 degree incline. The ground is very solid however not the smoothest.
I’ve been reading the comments on this site for about an hour now and thought that I had all the answers from my previous research but…perhaps not!
Even though I was going to go with a 42″ deck, there doesn’t seem to be any Deere’s that could handle my terrain. So, my first choice was to go with a John Deere D140. Don’t need tight turning. Rural area therefore John Deere dealer 5 minutes away.
Having read the multiple comments, transmission seems to be an issue for hills so now I’m wondering, is it worth $500 to go to the D160 instead?
Also, reading your comments, you seem very Craftsman oriented. So, even though I had previously removed that brand from my choice, is there one in your opinion that would be better than the D140 or D160 for this type of terrain? I do not want to go over 48″ for the deck.
Your wisdom in this matter would be appreciated!
Paul Sikkema
@JJ, In my opinion the trans in the D140 will not last you more than 200 hours on that kind of slopes. The D160 does have a stronger trans and should give you longer life. If there is an extended warranty available I would buy it on either machine.
The only Craftsman that has a stronger transmission is the 54 inch Garden Tractor. The 48 inch they are selling up there has the same trans as the D160 Deere.
Heidi
I am trying to decide between the Craftsman 19hp, 42″ deck with Hydrostatic engine or the Craftsman~Limited Edition, 19hp, 42″ deck, with a KOHLER engine.
Which would you recommend? I have heard the Kohler engine is better and holds up longer…I am planning to get rid of my current Craftsman, but it did last 16 years (It has a Kohler engine and is still going! Problem is I am needing to spend money on it every spring)..
Paul Sikkema
@Heidi, I don’t know what a Craftsman-Limited Edition is; but I will assume it is that gold thing the Hometown stores are trying to sell as a “superior to Craftsman” tractor.
The Kohler in the Gold 20378 is new so it has no history. So far I have not heard of any issues but we need to get a year or two of history before we can tell for sure.
Kohler’s in general have about the same repair history as the Premium Briggs in the 19HP 42” Turn Tight® Hydrostatic Riding Mower – Non CA
Model 20381. In particular the 22 Kohler Courage single in the has proven to be a great engine, but many of the others have had their issues over the years. I know many owners who would never buy a Kohler single cylinder again.
The Briggs in the 20381 has been around for a while now and has had very few issues. It has proven reliability for hills and slopes.
Lane
Hi I am looking at buying a craftsmen pro seres 7000 22hp 42″ deck what do you think of them ?
Paul Sikkema
@Lane, The Pro appears to be a good tractor but I feel the Red Model 20390 is a better value at this time. Here is my review: Craftsman T3000 Review
Kris
Thanks Paul,
I wont be pulling anything major with this new tractor, just mowing. So that isnt an issue. But i will be going up hills and mowing sideways around the hills. I was just worried the 54″ deck would be a problem. You seem to frown upon them due to the uneven cut.
Sears has the 2043 for $2799 right now. Seems like a decent price. Wonder if it will be cheaper during a friends and family event?
Hard for me to switch from my Deere. Its been a good mower, its just too small for my new yard now.
Paul Sikkema
@Kris, I don’t expect the price to be lower anytime soon. Besides the listed price you get free delivery ($75), An extra 5% off and no interest with a Sears card. This entire combination of deals only happens during the memorial holiday and no other time of the year.
Here is the link to buy it online: 24HP 54″ Complete Start™ Turn Tight® Garden Tractor – Non CA
Kris
Hey Paul,
First off, Awesome site. Has helped me alot.
I have an old John Deere LA115 and its just not cutting it at my new house. We have a little over an acre and a half to mow and this tractor is just too small and not powerful enough. We are looking at a couple different Craftsman models and would like your opinion if possible.
I would love to have a 54″ deck but not sure if my yard is made for it. Its pretty bumpy in spots. I would like at least 22hp, but would prefer 24hp or higher. Right now i’m leaning towards the 28861x.
Opinions on these two?
20391
22 HP V-Twin 48″ Turn Tight Fast Riding Mower – Non CA
28861x/20403
24HP 54″ Complete Start™ Turn Tight® Garden Tractor – Non CA
I have a pretty good size hill that i currently mow with a swisher pull behind. I use my ATV to pull it. I would like to be able to knock out most of the hill with this new tractor so i don’t have to mow as much with the swisher.
Any help would be appreciated…
Thanks.
Paul Sikkema
@Kris, Just remember, there was an engine HP label change for 2014 so this year’s 22HP was 24 HP, Thie year’s 24 was a 26.
Without the hill and pulling the Swisher the 20391 is a good choice but The 28861x/20403 is really the best choice for pulling stuff. The way to look at it is – the deck is only 6 inches wider than the 48 on the 20391.
The 28861x/20403 also has a lot larger tires and armrests so it will ride a lot better than the 20391. The 20391 only has 20 inch tires. I feel more comfortable mowing slopes on the Garden tractors like the 28861x/20403. They are heavier and the larger tires gives you better traction.
There is one other tractor out there that will handle hills at a reasonable price. The Husqvarna gt48xlsi has a really strong K66 Transmission with automatic/electronic locking differential. It’s about $3400 and only available at a Husqvarna dealer.
Mow your lawn high, 3 inches or so and it won’t look bad when mown with the 54 inch deck.
Ed Jetter
Paul,
Thanks for your quick reply. Even though the Pro Series Craftsman tractors are not sold in the regular Sears stores, would parts and service still be adequately available at Husqvarna?
Paul Sikkema
@Ed, No you will have to go back to the Hometown store where you bought it.
Ed Jetter
I am looking to purchase a new tractor (replacing my 17 y/o Sears Husqvarna w/15.5 HP Kohler) to use on a flat yard with occasional towing, aerating, dethatching, and possibly installing a snowblower. I’m the type who would rather overbuy because of long term durability than to underbuy and regret my purchase. That being said, I am looking at the Husqvarna GT52XLS and the Craftsman G7400 Pro Series, model 98645 (also made by Husqvarna). The Husky has a fabricated deck, Kawasaki motor and a heavy duty tranny, whereas the Sears has a reinforced stamped deck, Kohler engine, 6″ turn radius, and not sure of the tranny. It also has the push button start which I’m not crazy about because it hasn’t been time tested. The specs also indicate it won’t take front end attachments (which I don’t understand). The Husky is $3300 plus $850 for a power bagger. The Sears is on sale for $2660 minus 5% for using a Sears card, and the non-power bagger is $430. Obviously, price-wise, the Sears is a better bargain. I’m just wondering which is the better tractor? Akron, OH
Paul Sikkema
@Ed, The GT52XLS uses the same trans as the Pro and the deck is the strongest you can get on a tractor.
I have no idea what is going on with the Pro series. This tractor is only sold at the Hometown stores. As you know these Hometown Stores are now independent and no longer part of the Sears you are familiar with. You will not be able to get parts or service for it through a regular Sears store.
Anyway, I don’t understand why they state it won’t take attachments. It’s the same standard garden tractor frame as the red Craftsman GT’s and the Husqvarna GT you are looking at. At this point I would stay away from the Pro. Not because of the tractor itself, but because of the support from the Hometown stores.
Kim
Hi Paul,
After reading your reviews, I would really like to get the Craftsman 20390 for my husband for father’s day. The problem is that we are in California. We only live about an hour from Reno, Nevada though and I’m wondering if we would be in deep doo-doo if we were to purchase the mower online and pickup at the Reno Sears store.
If this is not a good idea can you recommend one for CA customers.
Thanks,
Kim
Paul Sikkema
@Kim, Unfortunately, Craftsman does not have that tractor in a CA version. If you need a 42 inch deck I recommend the 19HP 42” Turn Tight® Hydrostatic Riding Mower – CA Only
as an alternative. It’s a single cylinder engine and it has plenty of power for a 42 inch deck.
If you have enough room for a 48 inch deck, the 22 HP V-Twin 48″ Turn Tight Fast Riding Mower – CA Only
is the same tractor as the 20390 with a larger deck.
Nick M
In follow-up to my other posts, I was leaning towards the 42″ Ariens 960460058 (936076) from Home Depot but then I saw that they have two Ariens 46″ mowers on their website for only $50 more – Ariens 960460063 (936085) & Ariens 960460056 (936075), both of which have pretty good online reviews. Although the HD website has identical specs for both of these, it appears that the 936075 is a 22HP twin and the 936085 is a 20HP twin according to some other sites. These both have the Element V RS 800 transmission as well. Any thoughts on these? Seems like a no brainer to upgrade to a bigger deck/engine for $50.
Paul Sikkema
@Nick, The 46 inch is a good choice. With the discharge up it will still fit in a full size pickup. But be aware that the discharge chute is a lot bigger than the one on the 42. With the discharge down it is about 10 inches wider than a 42. If you have areas to mow that are tight with a 42 you won’t be able to mow there with the 46.
The difference between the 22 and 20 hp is the 22 was most likely manufactured in 2013 or before. The government required a horsepower labeling change this year so last years 22 HP is now a 20 HP for 2014.
rickhantz
Rick Issaquah, Wa Wheel weights or having your tires filled will solid rubber like compound adds tremendously to stability on slopes. I had mine filled on my old Craftsman yard tractor.. I’m sure it contributed a lot to the wear on my transaxle (on my third one now).
I’m thinking that the new transmissions in the Craftsman yard tractors would have sufficient power and durability to deal with 5-15 degree slopes and weighted tires. That’s what I’m planning to buy.
Leanne
The X500 multi terrain sounds like a great tractor, I wish money wasn’t a factor but unfortunately it is to a degree. Any thoughts on great stability on a budget? Maybe a couple ideas under $3000.
Thanks again Leanne
Paul Sikkema
Leanne, going back to your first post the Turn-Tight on the Craftsman tractors is 2 inches wider than the other tractors. It would give you a little more stability than your older Craftsman or a Deere.
Since you said you had hills I would sty away from the John Deere 100 series tractors. They use a good transmission but it is noted to not be heavy enough for mowing slopes all the time.
The
is a good choice under $3000. It has the new automatic and it is advertised to work well on hills. Any of the Craftsman Yard Tractors with a twin cylinder motor (22 hp and larger) will work better than your old Craftsman.
CRAFTSMAN PROFESSIONAL™/MC PRO Y Tractor 48” 24HP B&S, Turn Tight
The Cub Cadet Rzts 22-HP V-Twin Dual Hydrostatic 42-in Zero-Turn Radius Lawn Mower with Kohler Engine
at Lowes is a little small for 2.5 acres but is another good choice for you. This new mower and the 46 inch version handle slopes and side hills very well.
You can also get the Cub Cadet 22HP twin Koler 42Inch Four Wheel Steer RZT
at Home Depot.
Leanne
Hi Paul,
Leanne here from New Brunswick, Canada. I realize that price won’t be the same but looking for some advice on buying a new tractor please.
I have to mow 2.5 acres, unfortunately not even. Mostly gradual slopes with some steeper parts that I’m not comfortable using my 1980’s model craftsman that came with the house when I bought it. There is also a few gardens and tress to go around.
I’ve been looking at some different tractors, mostly John deere amd Craftsman. Would a tighter turning radius be more stable turning on a slope? What is your thoughts on the best tractor for my needs?
Thank you for your time
Paul Sikkema
@Leanne, If stability is more of a priority than cost I am going to suggest a X500 Multi-Terrain John Deere. The X500 has a wider stance for increased stability on hillsides. It has a lower center of gravity than most of the other Deere’s and the Craftsman. It has traction control. If your tractor starts to slip on a hill just press the pedal on the floor and both rear wheels have traction. It has a heavy duty frame that resists twisting and flexing going though rough spots.
The deck is ok also.
Multi-terrain. Multi-talented. The X500 Multi-Terrain Tractor.
Ryan Lashley
Paul, the New Troy Built Super Bronco XP caught my eye and there is little published info on this model. Do you plan on reviewing it?
Paul Sikkema
@Ryan, No, I’ve been too busy with comments to review any of the new Troy-Bilts. But, I’ll give you a quick run-down. It is basically a 2014 Craftsman 42 inch T1400 with two exceptions. The Craftsman is $1199.
1. It uses the Powermore 420 cc engine. This engine is made for MTD overseas and they will not tell you the Horsepower. It is a proven, reliable engine. The Craftsman uses a Briggs & Stratton 17.5 hp that is also a proven winner.
2. The literature for the tractor states that it is using a hydrostatic transmission but MTD has not used a hydro in this price range for years. In this price range they always use their trusted CVT automatic. I don’t have a troy-bilt dealer or Lowes within a 100 miles so I can’t verify the trans.
If you have a servicing dealer in your area, go talk to them and see if they try to sell you a different model. That will tell you what they think of it.
Nick M
Not sure if this matters, but I contacted Ariens and they indicated that both the the 960460058 (also known as 936076) and the cheaper ($1150) 960460061 (also known as 936083) both use the Element V RS 800 transmission. According to their parts manual (from their website) the part number is 580486201 for this transmission if that helps confirm this that it is indeed the RS 800. Which transmission does the 20381 use? It is the Tuff Torq T40? Also curious on your thoughts on the Kohler engine that the Ariens uses versus the B&S on the 20381? Any pros/cons? Thanks again for all your input.
Paul Sikkema
@Nick, Thanks for talking to Ariens. The 20381 has a K46. The B&S advertises 25% longer life. The Kohler Courage in the 2013 models has been replaced with a new Kohler 7000 so if they are selling you a tractor with a Courage in it… it’s last year’s model.
Other than that it’s a Ford or Chevy thing. Do you like Ford or Chevy better? Same goes for the B&S platinum and the Kohler 7000. They are basically the same, but what you feel about the brand influences which one is better.
Judy Fogus
Hi, Paul
Chittenango, NY here. I have about three quarters of an acre, corner lot, mostly flat but with a small slope. I have a fence with a four foot gate. I found a used cub cadet powershaft LT2138 with 41 hours on it at a local dealer. It has a 15HP Kohler motor. The price they want is $1175. It looks brand new, but it’s about 10 years old. Do you think this would be a good mower for my lawn? Are parts easy to find for this mower? Does the age of the mower matter, and does the price seem fair? It also has a mulcher that has been added on. I have a ton of leaves so this would be nice. If you don’t think this mower would be good, what would you recommend? Thanks.
Paul Sikkema
@Judy, That is a heavy-duty mower compared to the new Cub Cadet’s. There weren’t many sold because the original price was high compared to a lot of the other brands at the time. It does have a great reputation. I think the price is reasonable because the mower was over $2200 new and with that few hours it has set most of it’s life.
See if you can get the dealer to change the oil before you buy it. That mower has sat for a while and the oil may have water in it. Also, get the dealer to give you a 1 or 2 mowing guarantee. Sometimes mowers that sit get water in the fuel which gives you carb problems. The engine will not start well or run well.
You’ll have to ask a Cub Cadet dealer in your area if parts are easy to get because you will have to go there to get them. There are very few aftermarket parts made for that tractor (blades, oil filter and air filer are about it)
Bob whitb
Thanks for your help. I did not buy a pro series craftsman. But found a used model craftsman. 54 inch deck with the kohlor 26 hp motor. It has 250 hours on it. And I was wondering what is the typical or. Average life of a mower in hours. The model is the ys 4500 and has been serviced by a dealer every season,
Paul Sikkema
@Bob, Most people use their mowers 2 hours a week and get 10 years or so before the mower needs major work. That’s about 500 hours.
Sears does not have dealers so hopefully the person the mower was taken to used genuine Craftsman parts. Craftsman always used the long Kohler oil filter and straight 30 weight heavy duty oil so make sure the dealer didn’t install the short one and use regular car oil.
Nick M
Thanks Paul. Let’s start by narrowing it down to 1, 2, 3 & 5. From a price perspective I would either be going with 1 or 2 if I decide to go to the higher price point or 3 or 5 at the lower price point.
Is my understanding correct that both the Craftsman and the Ariens are made by Husqvarna?
Regarding my question on transmissions, I was trying to understand the specific transmissions each of these have. From your other posts, I see the JD uses the Tuff Torq T40 transmission and the Craftsman 20390 uses the Element V transmission. Which transmission does the Ariens and the other Craftsman use?
Any concern with using any of these on my 18 degree berm?
Paul Sikkema
@Nick, 1. Craftsman – 20390 – $1,700 (Sears) Best Value, Twin Cylinder, turn-tight. The engine designed to give long life on your slope. Both of the Craftsman’s and the John Deere 125 have a “full pressure” engine. What that means is oil is pumped to the critical bearings inside the engine so mowing on a hill is not issue (other motors use a splash lube system that doesn’t always work on slopes)
2. John Deere – D125 – $1,800 (HD) Best Value Deere, Twin Cylinder The engine designed to give long life on your slope. The D125 is a great mower. Like all the rest below if you use it to mow lawn, bag leaves in the fall and pull a yard cart around it is a good choice. If you want to pull a leaf vac or pull a 500 lb roller on your hill the trans may not last more than a few years.
3. Craftsman – 20381 – $1,377 (Sears) Best Value Single cylinder. The engine designed to give long life on your slope. This tractor has a fender controlled hydro. If you are just mowing lawn it will hold up well but if you plan on pulling stuff up your slope you may have to replace the drive belt every few years. This hydro really has never given anyone problems with this engine.
5. Ariens – 960460058 – $1,350 (HD) I’m not sure what CVT trans is in the Ariens. The parts diagrams are not available to check. It appears to be an Element V but which one I’m not sure which one (there are 2 sizes and Craftsman is using the heavier version) The Ariens has a 14 inch turning radius and the 2013 Kohler Courage motor. If you’ve owned a 2005-2009 Craftsman it is identical except for the paint.
Nick M
Hi Paul,
Thank you for the great site! You helped me this past winter with selecting a snowblower (I bought an Ariens) and now I am in the market for a my first lawn tractor. I live in southeastern WI and have 3/4 acre lot that is relatively flat for most of it with the exception of a berm at the back of my lot which has a 18 degree pitch and is about 40’x130′. Below is a list of 42″ lawn tractors I am considering that are available at the big box stores (Sears, Home Depot & Lowes). For the JD, TB & Craftsman that have multiple models below, let me know your thoughts on comparing the models within those brands. Also, if you know, let me know which transmission each of these uses. I know based on reading your many reviews/posts that you really like the Craftsman models and guessing one of those will be your recommendation. Other than the Craftsman, what would be your next 2-3 choices. Thanks!
Cub Cadet – LTX1040 – $1,400 (HD)
Ariens – 960460058 – $1,350 (HD)
John Deere – D110 – $1,700 (HD & Lowes)
John Deere – D125 – $1,800 (HD)
John Deere – D130 – $1,900 (Lowes)
Troy Bilt – 13YX78KS011 – $1,200 (Lowes)
Troy Bilt – 13AL93KS066 – $1,600 (Lowes)
Craftsman – 20390 – $1,700 (Sears)
Craftsman – 20381 – $1,377 (Sears)
Craftsman – 20380 – $1,310 (Sears)
Paul Sikkema
@Nick, The transmissions are all listed on the specifications for each tractor on their respective pages on Lowes, THD and Sears.
Here’s my list in order pf preference:
1. Craftsman – 20390 – $1,700 (Sears) Best Value, Twin Cyclinder, turn-tight. The engine designed to give long life on your slope
2. John Deere – D125 – $1,800 (HD) Best Value Deere, Twin Cylinder The engine designed to give long life on your slope
3. Craftsman – 20381 – $1,377 (Sears) Best Value Single cylinder The engine designed to give long life on your slope
4. John Deere – D130 – $1,900 (Lowes) Most over priced of my top 4 picks
5. Ariens – 960460058 – $1,350 (HD) Good value “standard” mower.
6. Cub Cadet – LTX1040 – $1,400 (HD) I can’t recommend this unit because I can’t tell you if it has a timed deck (I don’t like the timed deck) Compare this to the $1199 Craftsman Model 20373
7. John Deere – D110 – $1,700 (HD & Lowes) Compare this to the $1199 Craftsman Model 20373
8. Troy Bilt – 13YX78KS011 – $1,200 (Lowes) Compare this to the $1199 Craftsman Model 20373
9. Troy Bilt – 13AL93KS066 – $1,600 (Lowes) All the controls are backwards compared to all the other tractor brands
10. Craftsman – 20380 – $1,310 (Sears) Do you really want a gear drive?
Please narrow your choice down to 2 or 3 and I’ll help you pick the best one.
Paul Sikkema
@Jeremy, The GT52XLS has the 8 mph fast transmission. It gives you extra speed to buzz around your property. If you do a lot of work like pulling a yard trailer, hauling firewood, running out to the mailbox, etc. the extra speed is nice.
The GT54LS has the transmission with differential lock. If you have hills, muddy areas to mow, or want to use it a lot for grading the driveway or pulling a food plot cultivator this is the better choice. If one wheel starts to slip the other rear wheel begins to pull also.
3000 hours on an X530? The first one was made in 2009. To get 3000 hours that tractor would have to be run 28 hours a week! I don’t doubt that the engine and trans will make 2000 hours but the deck, steering, tires, etc would all have to be replaced at least once. I did go out and search the web for used X530’s and only found one for sale with more than 400 hours.
Bob whitb
Bob. Henderson. Ky. Looking for review on the new craftsman pro series 7000. Kohler twin engine with 42 inch deck
Paul Sikkema
@Bob, @Bob, The Craftsman Pro Series is only available at the physical Sears Hometown Stores. You have to find your local store and go there to buy it. You can’t buy it online or at your full-line Sears store.
As you know if you have been reading this blog for very long there are many different brands of riding lawn mowers on the market but in reality very few manufactures who produce all those brands. Why so many brands? Because your local store wants to be able to carry a different mower than it’s competitor down the street. Your local store wants to be able to shout, “Mine’s Better! Mine’s Cheaper! or Mine will make your neighbor envious” so you will identify with them and continue to shop there after you purchased your mower. Just like Home Depot has the “exclusive” John Deere D125, Lowes had the “exclusive” Fast Tractor or MTD has over 10 different brands under it’s control, Craftsman has now added a brand that is unique to a select group of Sears stores.
What does that have to do with the new Craftsman Pro Series?
In late 2012 Sears split off the Hometown, Outlet and hardware stores into a separate, public company. It appears these stores want to differentiate themselves from the “big-box” Sears Full line stores. The Hometown stores, Outlet stores, and Hardware stores are mostly independently owned, based in smaller communities and offer proprietary Sears products such as Kenmore, Craftsman and DieHard.
New Craftsman Pro Series. A Better Craftsman?
These tractors are being advertised by the Hometown Stores as “The all-new Craftsman Pro Series riding mowers make other yard tractors look like total amateurs.” Are they better? No, Craftsman has had all the features on various mowers before. (except the EZ-Blade) This year they are just spec’d differently. They have all the features of the red Craftsman tractors and add two unique extra features you can no longer get on the Red Craftsman Line.
The differences between the 42 inch Red Craftsman 20390 and the Pro Series 98461 are.
Engine: 20390 22hp Briggs & Stratton Platinum – 98461 22hp Kohler 7000 (Elite means it comes with the longer oil filter)
Deck : 98461 has a flat bar around the bottom as a reinforcement and it has electric clutch. Some owners like the electric clutch but others like the mechanical. The electirc does cost over $300 if it ever needs repair.
Blade: 20390 uses the standard Craftsman/Husqvarna blades so there is a large selection of types available. (side discharge, mulching, heavy duty, and “Gator” blades. The 98461 uses the new Husqvarna EZ blade system and as far as I know there is only one type of blade available (side discharge)
Bumper: The 98461 comes with a single bar bumper standard
Parts: The issue I am having with the Pro Series 98461 for 2014 is service and parts. Remember the Hometown stores are no longer part of Sears. These stores are owned by individuals who franchise the Sears name. (Just like your independant Husqvarna or Cub Cadet dealer) To get service and parts you have to go through the Hometown store where you bought it just like Craftsman at Ace. The Sears full-line stores have no record of your purchase, you can’t return it to a Full-Line store and you can’t get parts through a full-line store for it.
John
Anyone checking this out, the author of this “blog” is a hardcore craftsman fan. Any and every other brand just doesn’t cut it for him. Regardless, take his advice with a grain of salt. If it’s green it’s bad… if it’s a craftsman it mows on water.
Paul Sikkema
@John, Check out the mowers I have owned. Mowers I’ve owned
I can’t say that I am a Craftsman fan because my favorite mower brand is Walker. But for 2014 Craftsman is the best value. Craftsman has the best tractors and zero-turns for the money for homeowners who mow 1/2 to 3 acres and don’t want to spend thousands of dollars to do it.
Hustler has the best value for homeowners who want a zero-turn for their 3 to 6 acre lawn.
I also can’t say Craftsman mowers are the best because in my opinion the Toro Grandstand and the Wright Stander are the best. The ExMark Lazer Z is arguably the best zero-turn on the market.
The mower I wanted but never owned was a Kubota FZ2100. The mower I want is the Husqvarna Pantera.
I want Craftsman to make a $1000 30 inch rider with an automatic and if they would make a 4 inch Turn-tight with a locking differential….
And the Raven MPV 7100 just may be the future of lawn tractors.
Jack
Hi Paul,
Marshfield, WI Continuing our conversation, You mention the JD 125 and you have that listed under medium duty. With that said I would assume you would list the JD 130 as medium duty also. You have the the JD 140 and 160 listed under heavy duty, why? Wondering about this as they all (130, 140, 160) seem to have the same specs other than the blade engagement. Does the bigger engine on 130, 150, 160 make the difference in med vs heavy? Also speaking of blade engagement, what is your take on manual vs electric? The sales person at JD said the the D100 series are all considered 5 year mowers and the x series are 20 year. Thanks for commenting and the web site info.
Paul Sikkema
@Jack Both the D130 and D125 are the same. The Home Depot just wanted an “exclusive” mower so the D125 was introduced.
I actaully mis-spoke and need to correct myself. The D125, D130 and D140 all have the same K40 transmission which makes them in my opinion medium Duty. The D160 and D170 have the K46 lawn tractor transmisssion.
Kanzaki® K46 transaxle (X300, X304), Kanzaki K58 transaxle (X310, X320, X360), K58 4WS transaxle (X324) All of these transmissions are “lawn tractor” transmissions. None of them are rated for ground engaging tasks like grading your driveway. The K46 is the industry standard transmission for medium duty applications and most of the manufactures use this transmission in their $1500-$2500 machines. The K58 is a little stronger and you will find this trans in many different tractors in the $2000 to $4000 price range. My old Husqvarna 970 articulated has this trans.
There is nothing wrong with the mechanical engagement on the current mowers. It works and is inexpensive. The electric clutch doesn’t put as much wear on your deck belt but when the clutch goes bad it is over $300 to replace. Over the life of the 2 mowers you may have to put one extra belt on a mechanical engage unit ($40)
It’s really interesting to me what some people will say to get you to buy their high-margin lawn tractors.
Dave Springs
hi Paul,
A local mower shop sells Snapper. I want something a step up from the big box stores. The Snapper I’m considering is the new 2014 46 inch riding mower with a bagger. 22 hp Professional B&S Vtwin. Seems to have enough features. I am wondering about Snapper overall mower quality. Also, any information on how easy on and off of the bagger? Any help appreciated. thanks Dave
Paul Sikkema
@Dave, I assume you are looking at the SPX series. I don’t rank the ST, SPX or NTX series any higher in quality than the T3000 series Craftsman. Floating decks, 14 ga deck. The T2 trans is not as strong as the industry standard Tuff Torq K46. The new automatic in the Craftsman is proclaimed to be stronger.
Now the LY300 and YT400 are great mowers that are a step above the under $3000 tractors on the market.
Jack
Marshfield, WI I have a 20 yr old JD LX 176 that is old and tired with a PTO clutch bearing about to go. I mow a couple of lawns in the neighborhood plus my own. I mow high 3″, bag and seldom cut more than about 3/4″ of grass height at a time. In fall I cut shorter though but in 2 passes. I take care of the mower. I don’t have cash for an X series JD and only want to mow other peoples lawns for a couple years yet and then just do my own. The JD I have now is 38″ and the lawns I mow are on the smaller side, 45 mins each lawn. So I have narrowed my search for a new mower to either a JD D130 vs a Cub Cadet LTX 1042 KW. Or a JD D140 vs a Cub Cadet LTX 1046 KW. The 42″ cut is what I am leaning toward. The CC LTX 1042 KW is $200 less than the JD130 right now and the other two larger mowers are the same price. What attracts me to the CC 1042 KW (besides the price) is the shorter turning radius and the KW engine. The JD’s have Briggs engines. The CC seems to be built better. Any Suggestions?
Paul Sikkema
@Jack, You are close enough to Wausau so don’t forget to consider the D125 at Home Depot. It’s basically the same mower as the D130.
At this point in time the only way I would recommend a Cub Cadet is if you have a very good, dependable dealer that will take care of you and your machine. The CC have a history of poor build quality and may need a fix within the first couple of hours of use. After that they are fine. Also some of the 1042’s had a timed deck. The timed deck has a toothed belt running between the blades and it does not mow as well as their standard deck. Be sure you get a newer tractor with the standard 42 inch deck.
The shorter turning radius on the CC is notorious for tearing up poor lawns. If your lawn is sandy or thin you may not like the way the Cub Cadet digs into the turf to turn.
Yes, the Deere has a Briggs but it is the good one. It is a full pressure engine capable of mowing slopes and hills without running out of oil. It’s a good motor and in my opinion just as good as the Kaw and the new Kohler 7000 series.
Dustin Poff
Harrisburg, PA. Haven’t been able to find an answer to this anywhere, but I was wondering if you knew the difference between the Husqvarna Fast tractor YTH24V48 and the Lowe’s Husqvarna YTH24V48Fr?
Paul Sikkema
@Dustin, I actually don’t know if there is any difference. Unfortunately I don’t have a Lowes anywhere near so I can go look at one.
The Husqvarna YTH24V48 uses Tuff Torq K57 with a smaller drive pulley to get the 7.5.MPH. Husqvarna does not specify if their tract uses a Briggs Intek, Intek Plus or Endurance. (An Intek uses a black oil filter and the Intek Plus uses a yellow oil filter.
The price leads me to thing they are identical.
Josh Moore
Hi Paul,
This may sound like a strange combo but I’m narrowed down my riding mower choices to the Husqvarna YT46LS or the John Deere x304. Those are fairly different huh? There’s a few factors that pushed me in this direction. The first is based on personal experience and feedback from friends I really want a Kawasaki engine. Second, the x304 has a tight turning radius and great maneuverability which is a plus but the YT46LS has the limited slip diff which I think would be helpful on my mild hills where my old riding mower used to spin. Third, I’m leery of the cheapest low end models from either brand (really any brand), again due to personal experience with issues and feedback from friends but that might be the case of one bad apple unfairly ruining an entire batch. And lastly, a good, local service provider is important (which is why I have been ignoring the Craftsmen and few other brands).
I really like the value the Husqvarna seems to have over the mark up for green paint on the John Deere but I can’t even find a Husqvarna dealer that knows model numbers off of the top of their head, much less anything about the mowers or features. The John Deere dealer, on the other hand, is top notch (as expected).
If it matters I’m in Boulder, CO and am mowing about an acre.
The only attachments I’m likely to use are a snow blade (one day) and a cart.
What are your thoughts? Am I over complicating this or looking at way too much mower? I feel like you often get what you pay for so my priority is something that will last nearly forever with regular maintenance and be very reliable rather than saving every last dollar.
Paul Sikkema
@Josh, I understand finding a good dealer and the only Husqvarna dealer I know out there is Duffy’s in Grand Junction. The Deere cpsts a lot more than the Husqvarna, but it does have some unique features for the difference. The 4-wheel steer is expensive but very dependable. The John Deere motor is professional grade in the x300 series.
I have only 2 questions. 1 Did you have problems navigating your hills with you old tractor. If you didn’t then you really don’t need the locking differential. 2. Have you used the 4 way steering on the Deere? It can be almost as tricky to use as a zero turn. Until you get used to it stay and extra 6 inches away from fences, building foundations and other long straight areas. (when you turn the deck will first swing left when you go turn right)
John
Hi Paul,
Thanks for the blog. I have learned a lot, while becoming more confused.
I’m buying new property that has 1.25 acres, mostly flat with some considered rolling. I read that most prefer a 42″ blade. I initially was considering a 50+..but now not sure. I also need something that can handle a snow blower on front, a tiller on the back, and of course towing capabilities for a cart for wood and mulch. I’m believing I need something with an oil pump.
As for the company, I guess I’ve always been pretty partial to John Deere, although willing to look at others. I don’t know if new ones will fit and be under 3500.00. Maybe a solid used one will suffice. I don’t know.
Can you please advise?
Thanks.
Paul Sikkema
@John, If you buy a walk-behind tiller and forget pulling one with a tractor you can easily own a D125, D130, or D140 Deere to do all the tasks you want. You can then buy everything, including the snow blower for around $3500.
The 100 Series Deeres I mentioned do have the better oil pump Briggs motors so they will last for years on hills.
I just finished an article on all the attachments that work well with the 100 series. 2014 John Deere D125 Tractors Home Depot Parts – Attachments – Accessories
Rick Andrews
That must be why there are no good used ones around for sale I have checked Machine Finder and up here in Canada it is even worse, I can just imagine the headache trying to bring up here across the border Thank`s for the excellent site and mower info Rick
Paul Sikkema
@Rick, Yes, I’ve been trying to find a beater Great Dane Surfer for a while and even those are impossible to find.
Rick Andrews
Hey Paul I noticed the Toro Grand-stand mowers have no anti scalp wheels and a free hanging deck would this be a problem for uneven ground when mowing I was looking at the Toro Grandstand with the 40 inch deck ,it should be great for getting into smaller areas ,what are your thoughts on this issue if it is one at all Thank`s Rick Digby Nova Scotia Canada
Paul Sikkema
@Rick, The tires on Standons are much closer to the deck than they are on a sit down zero turn. That’s why you don’t need the anti-scalp wheels. Uneven ground they are the best because you can use your own weight for traction or keep them on a hillside. With the Grandstand you can duck down and fly under trees and other short obstructions. I absolutely think standons are the perfect mower.
Ernie
Hi Paul.thanks for the information. Went to sears today .to look at the craftmans md46. They didn’t have one in stock. They had a yt 4000 there .it was 24 hp b.s.with 42 in deck. Could you tell me how it would compare to the md46. If it would be strong enough for a snowblower.how would it compare to the johne deere and husquvarna I talked to you about. Thank alot for you help Ernie from saskatchewan canada
Paul Sikkema
@Ernie, The 2014 CRAFTSMAN®/MD 42 is the same tractor as the YT4000. Only the hood is different. There was an engine spec change for 2014, so the 24 hp in the YT4000 is the same, exact motor as the 22 hp in the 2014.
Now the md46 is also the same tractor. Only the deck is different (46 instead of 42)
Yes, It’s strong enough for a snowblower and I know 100’s of them out blowing snow every winter. Yes, you need weights and chains.
Compared to the Deere and the Husqvarna it is very comparable. And at last year’s prices it will be the best value. You will like that tractor.
Tyson
I am looking at a Snapper NXT 2452, Husqvarna YTH24V48Fr, and John Deere D160. I like the fact the Snapper has the Professional B&S engine. Not sure if spending the extra money for the Snapper is worth it.
How does the transmission compare with the three? I have 1.3 acres and will manually using for grass and snow removal. I will also use for hauling mulch and other projects.
Paul Sikkema
@Tyson, All three have the same K46 transmission. For snow removal be aware of the higher cost for a blade or snow thrower on the Snapper. Compared to the other two the Snapper has a lot of extra “tech” Electronic dash, electric lift. Make sure the warranty covers those.
Compared to the D160 the engine in the Snapper is not worth extra money.
The YTH24V48Fr is almost $600 less and has the same capabilities.
ernie
Hi Paul thanks for the reply. I was trying to stay away from a 54 inch mower. You recommended the craftsman/MD 54, How about the craftsman MD 46. Doesnt seem to be much difference in the spec. How would it compare to the john Deere D 160 or Husqvarna YTH24K48.Thanks Ernie
Paul Sikkema
@ernie, the Craftsman/MD 46 is very comparable to the other 2.
It has a 2 blade 46 inch deck. This deck always gets high rating from place like Consumer Reports. It side discharges, mulches and bags well. The other 2 use a 3 blade 48 inch deck. These side discharge well but don’t bag quite as well as the 46 inch decks. Blades for the 46 are about $40, Blades for the other 2 decks are $60-75
It appears to have the same K46 transmission as the other 2. Here in the US Craftsman is using the new Element V in that tractor and the manufacture claims this is a stronger transmission. Either way you are covered.
The D160 has 22 inch rear tires. The Craftsman and Husqvarna have 20 inch rears.
All 3 are snow blower compatible. You will need weight and chains for them.
ernie
Hi Paul.
I am looking at buying a new lawn tractor. I live in Saskatchewan Canada and I own an acre. I was thinking of purchasing a husqvarna YTH 24K48. Or John Deere D160 . Was wondering what your opinion is on these to tractors. Is it possible to put snow blowers on these tractors . Thanks Ernie
Paul Sikkema
@Ernie, The Husqvarna YTH 24K48
Husqvarna 24-HP 48-in Hydro Tractor
and theD160 25 HP V-Twin-ELS Lawn Tractor, Hydrostatic Transmission, 48" Cutting Deck
are very similar for their capabilities. Both can handle a snow blower well. The are both lawn tractors designed to mow lawns and some snow work. Neither one has a heavy-duty ground engaging transmission but that is not an issue if you are only going to mow and blow snow.If you would like a heavier machine take a hard look at the CRAFTSMAN®/MD 54” Garden Tractor, Briggs & Stratton 24HP Engine, with 6” Turn Tight™
. The larger tires, heavy duty frame and ground engaging transmission is a step better than the 2 you selected. You can also consider the Husqvarna GTH 24K54 and the GT48XLSi
Rick Hantz
Issaquah, Wa It looks like the only difference between the 20390 and the 20391 is the deck size. The maneuverability of the smaller deck might easily make up for the smaller cutting area.
How much better is the transmission in these models that my old 310-0650? (reliability and power). I use weighted tires for traction and stability, so I really can stress out the drive.
Paul Sikkema
@Rick, The manufacture is claiming the new Element V trans is a lot stronger than the K40-K46 hydro everyone was using. The specs on it are almost twice the strength of your 310-0650. There is also less power loss through the trans because it uses a heavy-duty belt and gears instead of a hydraulic pump and motor. It appears like a big step forward.
Ashley
Hello Paul,
Great site tons of info. and you dedication to the post comments is fantastic. I am just wondering if you have any insight into Sears Canada and their tractors. You reviews are great but I can’t find the corresponding models in sears.ca. I was wondering if you could provide any insight into this model, https://www.sears.ca/product/craftsman-md-42-yard-tractor-briggs-stratton-22hp-engine-with-turn-tight848/671-000927525-60431
It’s the only 42″ Turntight they list.
Thanks.
Paul Sikkema
@Ashley, Yes I can help you with the Craftsman/MD tractors Please use this link to go back to the site to order one. Buy Online – Pick Up In Store!
All of the Pro, Yard, and garden tractors are Turn-Tight. The tractor you asking about is the same as the 20390. You can use this link to read my review.
All of the lawn tractors are NOT turn tight. If you have any other questions feel free to ask and ask.
Rick Hantz
Issaquah, Wa I have an old Craftsman yard tractor that is wearing out. Steering needs to be rebuilt, and I’m on my third Hydrostatic 310-650 transaxle. My problem is that I’m on a hill, and I also haul wood/dirt/gravel around the lot. It seems to me that most of the yard tractors have light duty transmissions that will fail with my usage. My deck is a 46″ 3-blade–I wouldn’t want anything bigger, and even a 42″ would work.
My grass is often wet and thick, as it can rain a lot around here. Probably about a 1/2 acre of actual grass that needs mowing.
Any suggestions for a replacement tractor?
Paul Sikkema
@Rick, I really feel there is a huge need for a heavy duty tractor with a small deck that cost less than $7000. (The 540 Deere) I’m still waiting……..
But there are 3 tractors that I can recommend. These tractors have heavier transmissions than the 310-650.
42 inch Deck 20390. Click on the number to read my review.
Now your 46 inch 3 blade has been replaced with a 48 inch 3 blade. The next 2 tractor use the 48 inch deck.
Craftsman 20391
This last one is a true garden tractor and is Husqvarna’s latest and greatest. Husqvarna GT48XLSi This model has the heavy duty transmission without the locking differential.
David Thomas
Any difference in the hp? 26hp vs 24hp?
Paul Sikkema
@David, Because of the new engine ratings this year 24 hp is plenty for a 54 in Garden Tractor. (The same engine was 26 last year)
David Thomas
Wow! Thank you so much for the quick response and helpful comments. David Thomas, Ridgeland, SC.Regards
David Thomas
Hi Paul, I’m looking at purchasing the new pro series Garden tractor, 26hp, 54inch cut, model 98645. There are now reviews so far so I’m looking for any comments good or bad. I have 3acres and use my old lawn mower for cutting grass and minor dirt grading. I look forward to your comments.
Paul Sikkema
@David, The only difference between the Red G5500 and the 98645 is the Kohler motor, a piece of flat steel on the deck and the EZ blade change. At this point if you have any issues with this tractor you have to go back to the Hometown store where you bought it, a full-line Sears store does not support it.
I like the Red G5500 a lot. It is basically the same great garden tractor that Sears has had for many years. It just been updated with Turn-Tight and the new look.
The 98645: The new EZ blade change is trick, but you will have to go to the hometown store to get blades. The Kohler is the new 7000 (Elite means the long filter) It’s Kohler’s latest and I expect it to be better than the Courage
You can mount the Sleeve Hitch on both of them.
Here is link to the best price for the 98645: To View and Purchase Online: Save big on lawn & garden appliances!
$2,499.99
jim
What about the D130 John Deere?
Winchendon, MA
Paul Sikkema
@Jim, I’ve done a review of the D125. The only difference is the D130 has a 2 hp larger motor.
roger knowls
Roger knowles valley Alabama .what do you think about craftsmaan 24hp 42″ cut model 917_28856 yt4000
Paul Sikkema
@Roger, The 28856 was one of the best value twin-cylinder Craftsman yard tractors. Here is my review of it.
28856 reviewIt is replaced this year by the 20390. The new tractor features the new hood and a stronger automatic transmission. Here is the review for it.
20390 ReviewMelissa
Hi, I’m trying to determine what to buy as my JD L130’s front axle just broke. The mower is about 5 years old and for the repairs I’ve had done I could have bought a new, similar JD already. I really want something that rides a little smoother on rough terrain, goes faster (than the 5mph I have now) because I need to mow about 4 of my 22 acres weekly, and turns relatively tight. I’m not coordinated enough to use a zero turn. I’ve been looking at the Craftsman 24 hp 54″ complete start, turn tight garden tractor. I’m hoping for advice on if there are any other similar heavier duty lawn/garden tractors that I should also compare to this one. And, do any at this price point allow you to adjust the deck when it gets lopsided? That happened with my L130 a lot and there is no way to adjust it myself. Thanks in advance for the advice.
Paul Sikkema
@Melissa, The craftsman is easy to adjust. The lift arms at the back of the deck are adjustable with two open-end wrenches. You do this right on the tractor. Your operators manual explains the adjustment with pictures.
There are similar garden tractors like the Husqvarna GTH24K54 but I like the Craftsman on price, features and service. The large tires will give you a better ride.
Here is my review:
Craftsman 20403 ReviewJeremy Devers
Paul, I’ve recently moved from suburbia with a small 1/4 acre lot to the country with a roughly 2.5 acre lot. Then lot is nearly split with the home, front, and fenced in back yard taking up half and a “field” taking up the other half very few inside tight corners or enclosed spots. Right now there are two small fruit trees and a large oak but we plan to add in a fenced 2000 sq ft or so garden and a few more fruit trees. The tallest rise on the lot is just a few feet with no ditches. I don’t need ground engagement and plan to mostly use the mower as a mower with maybe some towing of a garden cart and mulch. I had zoned in on the Husqvarna yth24v48 but some of that lines transmission and belt issues are starting to frighten me off. Any suggestions in the roughly $1500-$2300 price range?
Thanks in advance,
Jeremy
Fayetteville, AR
Paul Sikkema
@Jeremy, I’m very comfortable suggesting the Craftsman
22 HP V-Twin 48" Turn Tight Fast Riding Mower - Non CA
Model 20391 as an alternative to the Husqvarna.The Husqvarna has the Briggs Intek with the ready start – Craftsman Platinum has an advertised life of 25% longer. The Platinum v-twin has a great reputation. The ready start is new.
The Husqvarna has a 14 inch turning radius – Craftsman has the 6 inch Turn-Tight Steering
The Husqvarna has a Tuff Torq K57 hydro – Craftsman has the Element V automatic. The new element v has no pumps or motors to wear out.
Both go over 7.5 mph.
The Husqvarna has 20x8x8 rear tires – Craftsman is advertised with those tires but all the ones I’ve seen have the larger 20x10x8
Sears has the following special offers right now to bring the price down. FREE DELIVERY on tractors over $1299 sold by Sears. Valid til 5/3
Get an EXTRA 5% OR No Interest for 12mos on Lawn & Garden items over $299 w/ Sears card see details Expires on 04/12/2014
MEMBERS-15% in points on attachments with any riding mower & $350 in attachments purchase. see details Expires on 05/02/2014
Your local Husqvarna dealer may also have special offers on the YTH.
Here is my review of the Model 20391
Bob S
Hi Paul! We just moved into a house in Winthrop Harbor, IL with an acre and lots of mulch to move so your site and knowledge is very welcome. Both my wife and I would be using the tractor but we’re confused on what to get. Going to the JD dealer, they want me to spend 8k+ to get a tractor to mow our lawn (1/2 acre + neighbors 4 acres) and pull stuff around like logs, a trailer for twigs, and maybe some light gardening and snow blowing. We don’t have that kind of cash so the Craftsman #28861 keeps popping up. Can this tractor handle implements like a snow blower and a chipper/leaf vac over flat terrain (two small berms)? Or are we overbuying? Here’s the fine print – I’m not experienced working on a tractor (I can change the oil, replace plugs and add gas) and neither my wife nor I have a truck or trailer to take it to a service center or even pick it up after purchase and Sears will do this for us at no charge. Thanks for your help.
Paul Sikkema
@Bob, Nice to meet you, Back in the 80’s I always enjoyed staying at the Holiday Inn at Illinois Beach State Park.
The John Deere dealer is correct. He doesn’t have anything for less. But the Craftsman will do everything on your list. The 28861 has been replaced with the 20403. Here is my review.
2014 Craftsman G5500 Garden Tractor. The 54 inch deck is overkill for your property so as you landscape it make sure you leave room for the big deck.Stay away from the Craftsman garden tractor with the 48 inch deck. (Craftsman G5100 Model 20401) The transmission is too light to do the work you want to do.
Although I do everything you want to do with a 15 year old Craftsman 6 speed lawn tractor, I can’t recommend anything else because the manufactures don’t rate the tractors for ground engaging work. Myself, though I would buy the
Craftsman T3200 Model 20391 You can read my review there.Yes, Sears does have free delivery through May 2. I hope you like red!
Perry Brunnen
Perry Bay Area, CA
Hi Paul, you cannot buy your recommended Craftsman 20390 as it is not certified by the CA Air Board. The Sears.com website offers a model Craftsman 28851CAX, only offered in CA, also new for 2014, and it is a 19HP 42 inch deck. Would you recommend that model and does it have the features that make you recommend the 20390? Thanks, Perry
Paul Sikkema
@Perry, There are 2 CA models that are similar to the 20390 but not quite the same. The
22 HP V-Twin 48" Turn Tight Fast Riding Mower - CA Only
is the same tractor as the 20390 with a 48 inch deck.The single cylinder
19HP 42” Turn Tight® Hydrostatic Riding Mower - CA Only
Craftsman also offers the 19 hp with a 46 inch deck, but please stay away from it.
46" 19HP Riding Mower - CA Only
For some reason many of those tractors have an uncomfortable harmonic vibration in the deck. (It seems to be the combination of the engine and the 46 inch deck)John Concepcion
Paul, thanks for the great info you provide. Quick question: Are there any significant differences between the Raven models you noted above and what is the price range?
Thanks again.
John Concepcion
Paul Sikkema
@John, I’ll have a full write up in the next week and I’ll go into the differences then. In the meantime, there are no significant differences in generating, mowing and hauling between the 3. The difference will be more options included with the 7100B and Sportsman features with the 7100S. Price – at this time please contact Raven at the link in the previous comment and they will talk price with you. They have not officially listed the prices on the 3 units yet so I won’t mention it here.
Rose Hobbs
Chester, Virginia. can you please let me know if the Raven is going to be sold again. I am waiting. I have to purchase a new rider but the Raven will take care of a generator and mower. Can you please email me. I am a 61. years and cant pull these Power equipment
Paul Sikkema
@Rose, The Raven is going to be sold and you may order one now. Go here: Raven MPV7100. Click on the preorder button or use the contact tab. They will get right back to you shortly.
The new one has over 200 improvements to last year’s model. There will be 3 models. The Raven MPV7100 in red/black. The all black MPV7100B and the sportsman version, the MPV7100S. The MPV7100 is ready for orders now.
Graham
Asheville NC…
Hi Paul, my compliments on your site – I have spent a lot of time researching for a new ride-on – mostly reading here but also many other places – – ended up with a shortlist of 2: –
The Craftsman 20390 vs John Deere D130
I decided (and just ordered) the Craftsman. I wanted to want the JD – they look “nicer” IMO
Earlier today it was the JD – after calling Sears Customer Service, to enquire about the warantee, I spoke with someone who seemed to not be fluent in English – bad sign – however I was assured by the service department (I was eventually put thru to) that ALL service related calls are based in the US.
What sent me to Craftsman was the JD Dealer! He did the thing you noted elsewhere and tried to upsell to a “Pro” series at 2x price, by telling me the transmission “wouldn’t last” more than 4 years (at best) in the D series.
To anyone considering the Craftsman 20390 (and I believe the whole range) currently purchased on-line will save you 15% off the prices noted here, with free delivery.
***AND*** use code LAWN20 for another $20 off
My total, tax included, was right on $1600 – I decided to forego the protection plan adds 25% to the price for 3yr, the machine has a 2year warrantee anyway, and if I can’t service it myself then I’ll just pay the $100 per year, I look after things so I don’t feel I need the “protection” plan – they usually try to wriggle out of paying anyway…
Last year I bought the low-end MTD “Pony” which packed up after 6 months (transmission failure) – they ended up refunding on that so hats off to their customer service, if they had a model with this transmission – I would have bought that (due to their excellent customer service) but they don’t.
I’ll chip in review on the unit when it arrives (04/11) – I’ll be using it right away – grass already going skyward!
Cheers! Graham
Paul Sikkema
@Graham, Thanks, To put the trans into perspective for you.
Tuff Torq T40 – D110, D125, D130, D140. The T40 is basically the same trans as in the T2000 single cylinder Craftsman
Tuff Torq K46 – D160, D170. This is the same transmission that was in the YT4000 series last year and is in the 2014 Model 20401.
Kanzaki® K46 transaxle (X300, X304) Notice the X300 and 304 have the EXACT SAME transmission as the 100 series. So much for what the dealer told you.
Kanzaki K58 transaxle (X310, X320, X360) The K58 trans is a heavier trans and is what Husqvarna also uses in the Heavy Duty Articulated Riders.
Kanzaki K58 4WS transaxle (X324) This axle has shorter output axles so Deere can install the steering u-joints for the 4 wheel steer.
A protection plan is something not everyone needs, but if you do opt for one the Sears Repair Services is better than all the rest at taking care of you and your tractor. The best thing I like is if an individual repair person says it’s not covered there are 3 to 4 different ways to have his opinion re-assessed.
scotts
I just bought a t2000 based on your review. I hope the trans will out last the rest of the mower. I will keep you posted. Florida
Michael Zimmers
Hi, Paul –
I just thought I’d give you an update. I’m going to get a demo of the Walker this weekend. My inclination, though, is now to probably go with a service instead. And, just as an aside, the Husqvarna dealers here have been very so-so in terms of customer service, so I’m averse to giving them a closer look.
James Bruister
Paul, I have noticed that all reports related to Sears Pro Series have a line thru them. Is this because you have not reviewed or is their a problem? I am considering buying one. Your opinion would be greatly appreciated.
Paul Sikkema
James, there is no problem with the tractor. You can buy one by going to a Sears HomeTown Store and purchasing it in-store. The hometown stores are the little local Sears stores that only sell tools, lawn & garden and appliances. You can buy the tractor from them, you just can’t buy it online or at a full-line sears right now. As you know these Sears HomeTown Stores broke off from Sears holdings last year.
I’ll let everyone know Thursday morning what’s up.
Craig
Hi,
I’m interested in the 30 inch Craftsman Model 20370 – 6 speed – 420 cc. It states to used on flat lawns. I have a walkout yard, so it has a walkout slope. Does it have enough power to mow (with a 200 lb + person) these kind of hills (slopes)? Thanks for your help.
Paul Sikkema
@Craig, Yes it has plenty of power but I don’t recommend it for slopes because of the width. It will be very easy to tip over if you try to mow across the slope. If you have a typical walkout it may not have enough traction to mow up the slope. Sorry, without actually seeing your walkout I can’t recommend this or any mower under 42 inches.
Omar Ochoa
Hi Paul,
First of all Great site! I am a newbie looking to get my first riding mower to cut a flat 1/3 acre of thick St. Augustine grass on a weekly basis in spring/summer here in deep south Texas (Pharr, TX) I usually cut it at a 2.5-3 inch height with a self-propelled Toro and it takes about an hour and another hour of trimming along the fence lines. I have a few trees and shrubs and I will be mostly using it to cut the lawn only. I don’t know if to go with a 30″ Craftsman or Troy-Bilt, 38″ Husqvarna, or a 42″ 19 HP Craftsman. I was initially looking at an Ariens 42″ model 960160027 17.5 HP for $1049.00 at Home Depot before I found your site.
Your advice and help would be greatly appreciated….
Paul Sikkema
@Omar, A lot of owners like the 30 inch Craftsman/Troy-Bilt. The 420cc engine has a lot of power for the thick grass and the steering is so easy! You can get a mulch plug and bagger if you want.
I have had a few people state that the 38 in Husqvarna and 42 inch Craftsman sink into the St. Augustine and they have a hard time getting the deck high enough to cut right.
If you buy the Troy-Bilt from a dealer make sure you are getting the new version with the 420cc motor. There was an older version with a smaller motor and it had a problem with the deck discharge safety switch.
If you are buying from the box stores I recommend the Craftsman. All service is done at your home. You don’t have to take it to a local dealer like you do with the Troy-Bilt
I don’t want to rush you but you can get the
420cc 30” 6-Speed Rear Engine Riding Mower – Non CA
for $899 today (Online offers end Tuesday, 3/25/14,9 AM CST) The price of the optional 3 or 5 year protection plan also includes an extra 10% off today.Michael Zimmers
Hi, Paul –
Thanks for the detailed reply, and yes, I think we’re definitely on the right track.
Lawn: at first glance, it looks like the big difference between the Walker and the Husqvarna is mulching vs. collection, yes? I’ve never owned a mulcher mower. I like the idea…if they really work. If all they do is litter the lawn with grass clippings, then I’d rather pick it up. Is the S-series Walker adequate for something my size, or would I do better to go up to the C-series? Or, should I talk with a dealer about this?
Field: those animals you see in the picture are actually horses (their shadows make them look fatter), but in any event, they’re gone. I am planning on letting someone pasture three horses in the pasture area this year…I have no idea whether they’ll be enough to keep the grass/weeds down out there. I’m limited to 10 livestock animals, which is probably more than I’d want anyway.
The more I think about it, the more I realize that the lawn is really the primary goal here. Anything else (like a tiller/brush hog/etc) would be used a few times a year. The mower will be used 30-40 times.
Could you provide me a very brief summary of the comparative advantages of Walker vis-a-vis Husqvarna?
Thanks very much for the help.
Paul Sikkema
@Michael, Horses are very picky about what they eat so you will have to knock down woody plants at least once a year.
The difference: I have a 15 year old Husqvarna Rider that has been used every week on a 1 acre lawn (about 50 hours a year) and still is in great shape. It will need a new engine soon but the mower itself is in good shape.
I just sold a 25 year old Walker that has been used every week commercially (about 650 hours a year) and is still in great shape. It is on it’s 3rd engine but the mower itself is still in great shape. The Husqvarna is a high-end residential. The Walker is a commercial.
They both mow better than any residential lawn tractor or zero-turn. The Walker is arguably the best mowing rider available today. If you are a perfectionist the Walker will give you the best cut-period. For the other 90% of the population the Husqvarna will also give a great cut.
Husqvarna does not have collection version. The Husqvarna combi deck is Europe’s favorite mulching deck. There is no comparison between my Husqvarna rider’s mulching and a conventional residential mulching mower like a Craftsman, Cub Cadet or Toro. That said, it is still a residential mower.
I prefer the C series. I prefer the Kohler motor and more HP. Now, you can configure the Walker in many different ways. They offer Dedicated Mulching decks, side discharge, and collection decks. For your lawn I would stay with a 36 or 42 inch deck. You can also get a flail for your pasture and a 2 stage snow blower for the driveways.
Watch the videos below and you can get a handle on the options available for the Walker and Husqvarna mower.
Watch this, Walker Video
then watch this Husqvarna Rider
Michael Zimmers
Hi, Paul –
Thanks for the reply. Is the mower you mention really adequate for such a large area? Here’s a link to a picture of my place. As you can see, the house and yard area are in the lower right. The total property is about 6 acres, so I’m estimating the yard to be 1 acre or so. And, as you can also see, there are lots of tight twists and turns in the makeup of the lawn, so I’ll probably need a walk-behind to finish the job. (At least it’s flat.)
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mz
Paul Sikkema
@Michael, I’m really glad you sent the picture. I would not have been able to help you well without it.
House:
This property is a prime example where a front deck mower will work the best. The inside curves make it impossible to use a lawn tractor well. A 42 inch zero-turn also does not have the side clearance to mow the inside curves.
There really are only two great front deck mowers that work in small spaces well.
My first choice is a Walker Mowers S or C series with a 36 inch deck. You can collect the clippings and use them for compost on your garden. The cut is perfect with the Walker and your lawn will look professionally done each and every time. Use the contact form on the Walker website to get the interview and purchase process started.
My second choice is a Husqvarna Rider. The R220 T with a Combi 103 or Combi 112 Deck will mow/mulch your lawn quickly and the R220 T is just as agile as the Walker. The decks mulches or rear discharges so you will have to mow whenever the grass grows 2 inches or so. Use the dealer locator tab on the Husqvarna site to find your nearest dealer.
My third choice is a 46 inch zero-turn. It has enough deck over-hang on the left side to get most of the inside curves. You will have to measure your close areas to make sure the mower can get into those tight spots. A 46 inch deck needs 56 inches with the discharge chute down or if you are using a bagger. For residential mowers I like the Husqvarna RZ46i or the
NEW 46" 22 HP V-Twin Series Zero-Turn Riding Mower Non CA
. If there is another brand you are partial to feel free to ask me about it.Field:
Are the cattle yours? Are you planning on keeping them? If the cattle are not yours and you plan on continuing to graze work out a deal with their owner to bush-hog your 5 acres once or twice a year to keep the brush and sage brush down.
If you don’t plan on keeping them consider turning it into prairie. Burn it or bush-hog it once a year to keep the brush down.
Do you have an ATV or golf cart? If you have an ATV or purchase the Husqvarna Rider an Acrease Rough Cut mower is a great choice. I have used the 55 inch and like it a lot for field mowing. If you go with the Walker or a zero-turn any old used garden tractor or even your pickup can pull the Acrease (it will mow well around 5 mph)
You can get a flail mower for the Husqvarna Rider instead of the Acrease for the field. Here are 2 videos of the Husqvarna
Husqvarna Flail and Cleaning the deck. The flail mower is special order here in the U.S. and it may take a couple of months to get it from the dealer.
This will give you a few solutions. Am I close to giving you the right choices?
Mike
Boise, ID: nice reviews, Paul. I have about an acre of yard with a couple of pretty large lawns. Unfortunately, no matter what mower I get, there are some spaces that are just too tight, and I’ll have to finish the job with a walk-behind. I also have about 5 acres of pasture, and I may wish to rototill a very small part of that once or twice a year. I’ve been wracking my brain trying to decide how much tractor I need. Given that the lawn will get most of the attention, it seems silly to buy a compact tractor at $14K or so, but I also realize that the units on your page aren’t designed for tilling and the like. Sigh…so many choices, but none seem ideal.
Paul Sikkema
@Mike, What about a good rear tine tiller. The Craftsman
208CC* Dual Rotating Rear Tine Tiller
will handle a large garden plus if you do wide-row gardening you can scoot down the rows with it and weed your garden very quickly.You can then get a good 42 inch tractor like the
22HP 42” Turn Tight® Fast Riding Mower – 49 States
Bigginni65
Hi, sorta hate to be a kill-joy here but Craftsman? and even worse the Home Depot John Deere? Anyone ever try a Simplicity? I had a Craftsman many moons ago and vowed would never do it again. My neighbor bought a Deere from the Depot and got rid of it. First off you need to educate people on how Home Depot cuts their deals with manufacturers. And that my friends goes for a lot that you buy there. Want a machine for the next 30 years? Buy a Simplicity, trust me on this. And I apologize and stand corrected if we are only rating the lower priced machines, but Simplicity also carries a Regent line that is superior to anything you have listed here for a few bucks more. Sears is so on the downslide, I seriously cannot believe you rated the Craftsman so highly.
Paul Sikkema
@Bigginni65, I’m not going to disagree with you. The Conquest, Prestige, are LEGACY XL are great machines. The Massey Fergusen Version is pretty cool also. Myself, I like the Husqvanra Articulated’s a lot and would love to own an R 418 or R 422T. And if you really wanted the best you would buy a Walker.
Mowers and what the consumer wants is just like cars and trucks. I could convince you that you need a 1 ton Dodge with a Cummings because it would last a million miles, but I’ll bet you actually drive something that doesn’t cost $50,000 and you will be tired of it long before 30 years are over. (If I would have kept the Plymouth Superbird I owned in 1974 though ……..)
Unfortunately,
– Most of the homeowners want a tractor in the $1500 to $2500 range. Anything less is considered too cheep and anything more is considered “out of my price range.”
– People do not want a machine for the next 30 years. They are used to trading their cars every 3 to 5 and if a tractor lasts 10 years that’s “too long”
– Besides the market is changing very, very fast and within 5 years you will be able to mow your lawn without a gas engine faster than you can today with your Simplicity. (I get to play with special rider next week that will replace gas and battery powered riders in the near future)
– Yes, everyone bids the products they sell. Home Depot, Lowes, Sears, Menards, Ace, even the larger independent dealers spec their mowers based on their clientel.
I wish I could figure out why consumers don’t like the Regent. It’s only $500 more than a comparable Craftsman or Deere. It has the same turning radius as the Deere, (14 inches verses the Craftsman’s 6 in), the cheaper Intek engine (Deere and Craftsman have the Intek Plus), smaller tires and the small T2 transmission that no else uses anymore.
george fed
Hi Paul,
I am looking for a small machine to pull a roto tiller. I have a lot of roots in my garden area. I was told that this kind of jerky duty would damage the transmission in my zero turn mower. I am looking for something to pull the tiller and a few lawn attachments. I don’t need it to cut grass. Any suggestions ?
Paul Sikkema
@george, You are correct the trannys in a zero-turn are not designed for that kind of work. Unfortunately there is nothing “small” that is rated to handle ground engaging equipment either. Craftsman, Cub Cadet and Ariens want you to buy a Garden Tractor. John Deere wants you to buy an X500.
Personally, I would feel comfortable buying a Craftsman 20390 or 20391. The new automatic trans is the toughest around that is not ground-engaging related.
Roosevelt Hamb, Jr.
Roosevelt Hamb, Jr. I live in Georgia.
I am looking at replacing a Scott riding mower that had extensive damage to the deck near the cutting blades that made it too expensive to repair. I have looked at the John Deere x300 and the Husqvarna YT42XL. I did not see much difference between these two units, except for the better warranty with John Deere. My wife looked at the new Craftsman 20401. After looking at the Sears website, the tractor looks capable for my needs. I live on 3 acres that are hilly and with some moderate size trees. I am concerned about the motor in the Craftsman being a Briggs and Straton as opposed to the Kawasaki motors in the other two. I am also concerned long term about the transmissions in the three tractors. What is your opinion about the Craftsman tractor in comparison to the JD and Husqvarna?
Paul Sikkema
@Roosevelt, You have really been doing your homework! The 3 tractors are very close.
1. If your Scotts handled the hills well, the Craftsman will also do just fine.
2. The 3 tractors all have the same Tuff Torq K46 transmission but the YT42XL does have a differential lock for hills. If you had problems going up the hills with your Scotts then this is the way to go. The K46 transmission will handle the work.
3. The deck on the Husqvarna is heavier and will put up with extensive abuse.
4. The Briggs in the Craftsman is a long-life, full pressure engine that is able to last on hills. It is a good engine. I would not buy one of the others just for the Kawasaki engine.
5. The John Deere has the same capabilities as the Craftsman in your situation which makes it over-priced for this.
wes
Hi Paul: I need some advice/recommendations. I have approximately 5 acres in the Colorado foothills that I want to mow with a riding mower or garden tractor. The soil is what they call “fractured granite” so I tend to pick up small rocks when mowing. I have hills (approx. 15 degrees) and gullies. I can no longer depend on my grandchildren to mow by hand. What would be the right mower or garden tractor.
Paul Sikkema
@wes, I’ll always pick the Craftsman Garden Tractor as my first choice for this type of mowing.
Craftsman 24HP 54" Complete Start Turn Tight Garden Tractor - Non CA 16" X 6.5" - 8"
It’s suitable tractor. If you have problems with punctures I like “Slime” tire sealant. Put one quart in each rear tire and divide 1 quart into the front tires.If you would like even more stability also look at the John Deere X500 or X540. These are heavy-duty tractors with differential lock so going up your slopes will be easy. You can find them at your local John Deere dealer. Stay away from the X534 with 4 wheel steer. It can be a little funky to drive on hills.
If you want a zero-turn the only one to look at is the Cub Cadet steering wheel model.
Cub Cadet Riding Lawn Mower. in. 25 HP V-Twin Dual Hydrostatic Zero-Turn with Steering Wheel Control RZT-S 50
With steerable front wheels it is the only residential zero-turn that can handle slopes. You will need to put slime in it’s tires also.Tom Woods
Thanks Paul – not sure if my question I sent last night went through, so forgive if this is a duplicate.
I appreciate you insight. First, you’re correct that I was referring to the T2200, not the T2000. I’m still a little confused about the fender vs. the foot pedal. For the foot pedal (T3000), isn’t there cruise control to deal with leg fatigue – does it work well? I’m leaning towards the T3000 in case I want to attach a snow blower etc., and it seems the extra HP would be good. However, safety for my kids is key, and I’m not sure if you were recommending the T2200. Also, I’m planning to buy the 3 bagger. I have a lot of trees which makes the fall a lot of work. Do you think this is the best option vs. mulching?
Much appreciation!
Tom
Paul Sikkema
@Tom, Yes there is a cruise control on the T3000 and it does work well.
Yes, I am recommending the T3000 for you and your kids. The best safety feature of the foot control is if you get in trouble just lift up your foot and the mower stops. (With the fender control You do not have to remember to move the lever to neutral or step on the left pedal)
Just one comment on the bagger. The 3 bin bagger is wider than your tractor with the 42 inch deck. If you have a lot of tight areas to mow around like bushes or rows of trees you may hit the bagger on them. I usually suggest the 2 bin with a 42 inch deck because it is the same width as the mower.
Tom Woods
Hello Paul,
I’m deciding between a T3000 and T2000, with 42″ deck. I have about an acre near Boston, with hills and trees. I’m leaning towards the T3000 for the extra HP (but price is $325 extra all-in), but don’t know if the foot pedal (T3000) or the fender (T2000) is best to use for acceleration. I expect my young sons (10 and 8) to use it eventually. Any thoughts? I’ve never owned a riding mower…
Paul Sikkema
@Tom, The T2000 is not a hydro. It is a manual transmission. So to shift it you step on the left pedal(clutch) Move the handle on the right fender to the gear you want (usually 3 or 4 for mowing) and then release the clutch. Even though the transmission will last longer than any other part of the tractor I no longer recommend it to anyone. Why? Because the clutch is not a clutch. You can’t “feather” it like you can in a car or truck. When you press down on the left pedal you release the tension on the belt from the engine to the transmission. So when you step on the clutch to shift the tractor jerks to a stop and when you release the clutch the tractor jerks to a start. For a new person learning to use a tractor this is a terrible experience. For a 13 year old who’s legs aren’t quite long enough this can be a disaster. In fact a lighter person can cause the front wheels jump off the ground, which throws them back on the tractor (or right off it)
That said, I have a feeling you really wanted to compare the hydro/fender Model T2200 and the foot control model T3000. I like the fender control on the T2200 because I’m used to it and I’m also old enough that extended use of a foot control causes my feet to cramp up. But for you and your kids it’s also not the way to go.
The foot control basically drives like your car. Push the big pedal down on the right hand side and it goes forward. You control it just like the accelerator on your car. To back up press the small pedal. To stop just release either pedal. The internal brake on the T3000’s transmission stops the tractor. You only use the left pedal when starting or parking the tractor on a hill.
Today there is only $237 difference between the T3000 (Model 20390) and the T2200 (Model 20381). In addition there is free delivery.
T3000 Model 20390:
Craftsman 22HP 42 Turn Tight Fast Yard Tractor 49 States 1 Acre and Above
T2200 Model 20381: Craftsman 19HP 42 Turn Tight Hydrostatic Yard Tractor Non CA 1 Acre and Above
I'll be glad to answer any other questions you may have.
bruce honnigford
In that case, my main consideration is to go with the Craftsman B&G or spend for the Husky Kawasaki.
Paul Sikkema
@bruce, my personal opinion is the Platinum Briggs is as good as the Kaw.
bruce honnigford
Hi Paul,
I am looking at buying my first riding mower. I live in Minnetonka MN and own 1 acre on a wooded hill side. My 1/3 acre lawn is fairly level but my drive is 150′. I am looking for a unit that I can use to clear snow and do the lawn as well. I would like to know what would be a good snow blower/riding mower combination. I am interested paying for a quality twin cylinder engine.
Paul Sikkema
@bruce, my first choice is the Craftsman 20390. Here’s the link:
Craftsman 22HP 42 Turn Tight Fast Yard Tractor 49 States 1 Acre and Above
The 22HP Briggs Platinum engine in this tractor boasts 25% longer life than the Briggs Intek motors. This engine has a proven reputation for reliability.
You don't need a large deck for your 1/3 acre lawn, but you want an agile tractor to go around the trees. The 6 inch turn-tight steering will let you scoot around the trees.
The 42 inch snowblower on this tractor is a good combination. You will need weights and chains. Once you install the mounting brackets it's a 30 minute job to change from mowing to snowblowing.
With the fast transmission you can fly out to the mailbox quickly.