If you don’t know how to drive a small zero-turn your lawn may end up looking like wild hogs played soccer on your lawn.
Do you need a zero-turn mower?
Update 2021: Almost three million people have read this article over the last 8 years. There have been some significant changes made to homeowner zero-turns in the last three years so it’s time to update this article!
In this article on zero-turn mowers I am going to:
- Help you determine if a Zero-Turn is what you need.
- Help you determine if a residential zero-turn is what you need.
- Help you determine if a landowner zero-turn is what you need.
- Tell you the real truth about saving time with a zero-turn.
I like zero-turns! I have owned many over years from a 30 inch Dixon to a $45,000 Kut-Kwick Super Slope Master. They are fun and enjoyable to use.
But they are not for every yard. Please read this entire article to see if a zero-turn mower is for you!
When you decide that a zero-turn mower is the best choice for you check out this article: The Best Residential Zero Turn Mowers 2021
Is a Zero-Turn what you need?
Everyone has been trying to tell you that a zero-turn mower is what you need to mow your lawn. The advertising tells you that you can mow your lawn in half the time. The dealers tell you they have the best zero-turn mower. But zero-turns or a brand from your local dealer may not be the best answer you. Why? Because you have to learn how to drive one so you can mow your lawn without tearing it up. Many versions especially the inexpensive, homeowner models do not work on slopes, ditches or hills. They are designed to mow healthy, flat lawns and little else. If you work them too hard the drive systems may fail prematurely. They are more expensive than lawn tractors to buy and they can be more expensive to repair. A 42-inch residential zero-turn that uses the same deck as your $1800 lawn tractor is $2800 or more. A good estate (landowner) zero-turn that will actually cut your mowing time in half is anywhere from $3200 to $7,000. So, let’s go through the facts and fiction about zero-turns.
Zero turns are made for one purpose only, mowing grass. They mow quickly and will save you time trimming around obstacles. A 42-inch residential zero-turn is NOT designed to pull things. Yes, some have a hitch and you can pull a small yard cart or spreader but you will destroy the transmissions in them if you try to pull loads of dirt, firewood, or a leaf vacuum regularly. (There are models with heavier transmissions that cost $4000 and up) Most are not balanced properly to use baggers on slopes and require expensive counterweights in the front.
Am I an Expert at Zero-Turns?
Yes and No. I was one of the first commercial lawn care businesses in the Chicago area to start using zero-turns back in the early ’90s. By 1996 I was using crews of 2 people with zero-turns to do more work than my competitors were doing with crews of 7 using conventional Toro Groundsmasters and commercial walk-behind mowers. I have owned zero-turns as small as a Dixon 30 inch and as large as the $45,000 (Kut-Kwik SuperSlopemaster.)
Kut-Kwick Superslopemaster
I have hundreds of hours actually driving zero-turn mowers. I am particularly fond of stand-on models. Many of the problems with zero-turns that I will caution you about I have experienced myself. I have had them slide down slopes and into ponds. I have knocked the decks completely off from hitting obstacles too hard. I have owned a few that I would NEVER recommend to anyone and a few that are the best mowers on the market. Currently: I sold the lawn care business a while back and moved to Iowa but I still use zero-turns on my own yard. Here is a collage of mowers I have owned over the years: Mowers I have Owned
I am not an engineer, but I can talk about the physics and practical reasons why zero-turns act the way they do. I’ve known many of the original engineers over the years (for example, Dane Scag and Gary Kunz) and we have spent many hours discussing the fine points of mowers. For example, a 2-inch shift in where the engine is located on a residential zero-turn means a 50% difference in traction, steering and digging up your yard. I can explain why the original Dixon ZTR was one of the best residential zero-turns and why it’s no longer made.
The real truth about saving time with a zero-turn.
The general advertising states you can cut your mowing time in half using a zero-turn mower instead of a traditional riding lawn tractor. That is partially true.
– The maneuverability of zero-turn mowers allows you to easily mow around trees, flower beds, and other obstacles in your yard more easily than a riding lawn tractor. Not having to back up and go forward or making multiple circles around a bush does save time. Compared to a conventional lawn tractor like a Craftsman or John Deere, this can save you a lot of time.
Mid-Mount
Front Deck
-There are two styles of residential zero-turn mowers, mid-mount, and front mount. With mid-mount zero-turn mowers, the deck sits under the mower, like a lawn tractor. They are the most common but they do not eliminate trimming completely. In fact, they leave just as much grass to trim as your conventional lawn tractor. Front Mount zero turn mowers, where the deck sticks out the front of the unit do trim better than your old lawn tractor. They will get under fences, under bushes, and around poles easier and faster than mid-mount ZTR’s.
-Residential zero-turn mowers under $3000 typically use the same decks as lawn tractors. What that means is they don’t mow any faster in a straight line as a good yard tractor. The time savings comes from their ability to turn around faster and make tighter turns when trimming. Most residential zero-turn mowers over $3400 have fabricated decks and are designed to cut grass faster than traditional lawn tractors. With a fabricated deck zero-turn, your straight-line mowing speed is improved. When you move up to these higher-priced units you will see significant time savings. For example, a typical lawn tractor cuts at a speed of 3-4 mph. A residential zero-turn will cut about 3-5. If you spend the extra money to buy a landowner grade though you can increase your mowing speed to 6-8 mph.
– So where does the advertised time savings really happen? Once you learn how to turn your new zero-turn without making holes in your lawn you can “zero-turn” on the ends of your long open areas. When you get to the end of your yard and turn around to make the next pass, you can literally spin 180 degrees and come right back without having to back up and cut the strips of grass you would miss when making the turn with a lawn tractor. No more three-point turns.
Three-point turn
When you are just mowing large areas back and forth even the residential zero-turns save time on the ends this way. There are also advanced techniques like the “reverse-zero turn-forward” maneuver that will cut seconds out of each turn-around. Over a full day of mowing, those seconds can really add up.
In summary, Inexpensive residential mid-mount zero-turns do not cut better or trim closer than lawn tractors. But once you move up to the fabricated deck models your speed and efficiency increase and you can see significant time savings. With heavy-duty transmissions, tall rear tires, and 48-54 inch fabricated decks designed to mow at 6-8 mph you can easily reduce your mowing time by half or more!
Time Savings – Residential Example:
I’ll use my lawn as an example. I have a one-acre flat lawn with over 40 trees, and other landscape features to mow around:
- Using a 22-inch walk-behind it takes me about 3 1/2 hours to mow and trim.
- With a conventional 42-inch lawn tractor I can cut that down to 1 1/2 hours. About 20 minutes of that is trimming.
- With a 42 inch mid-mount residential zero-turn I can mow my yard in less than 1 hour. About 15 minutes of that is trimming!
- With a 42 inch Walker Front Deck Rider I can mow the lawn in about 45 minutes. About 5 minutes for trimming.
Time Savings – Commercial Example:
Front Deck Mower
Cemeteries have a lot of trimming. A typical job that requires 40 man-hours using conventional lawn tractors can be reduced to 25 man-hours with commercial mid-mount ZTR’s and even more with a front deck zero-turn. The main time savings is mowing speed and maneuverability. Trimming takes about the same amount of time. By switching to front-mount ZTR’s that original 40-hour job can be reduced to 15 hours. Both mowing time and trimming time is reduced.
Is a residential zero-turn really what you need?
Husqvarna 30 inch
Limitations for all small residential zero-turns.
Small zero-turns can be fun and can save you time mowing your yard but they may not be the best choice for you. For example, an entry-level Craftsman Zero Turn is a good dependable zero-turn mower but half the reviews I read are negative? Why? Because the owner did not understand the limitations of a residential zero-turn, not because the machine is bad. If those reviewers had purchased any other brand they would say the same things about them.
Mother Earth News is another good example. They compared a $2400 Craftsman against zero-turn mowers costing $6000 to $17,000 and then rated it poorly without explaining the differences.
Consumer Reports also wants you to be very clear about the limitations of small zero-turns and specifically cautions about using a zero-turn on slopes.
The Limitations:
1. If you have never owned a zero-turn there is a learning curve. They are easy to use and will save you time, but it will take you a couple of mowings to get the most out of your mower. Be very careful when you first start so you don’t slam the deck into trees, foundations, rock walls, etc. Practice going around objects closely with something that will not damage the mower before you go out and mow your yard. Take the plastic garbage can, a 5-gallon bucket, or a bale of hay and practice trimming around them at first. If you think you are getting good, lay a bag of dog food, a sack of flour, or sugar on the ground and see if you can mow around it without ripping it open. Learn to keep the zero-turns rear wheels moving when practicing these maneuvers. Letting the inside wheel stop when turning will tear up your lawn.
After you master the art of driving one there are advanced driving techniques like the reverse zero-turn that will decrease your mowing time even more. These techniques are easy to learn.
The Cub Cadet Four-Wheel Steer Zero-Turn Riders use a steering wheel instead of lap-bars to steer the mower. These mowers are similar to residential zero-turns but use a steering wheel and steerable front wheels instead of lap-bars. They have been around long enough now that I can give them a resounding thumb’s up if you want a zero-turn but are afraid you won’t like the lap-bar steering.
Small residential zero-turns are built with the same parts and engineering design (durability) as your lawn tractor. They will last you years if taken care of but they will only take as much abuse as your old lawn tractor. What that means is while you are learning to drive one it is very easy to damage a small zero-turn. They are designed to go quickly and easily around things but they are not designed to bang into trees, foundations, birdbaths, curbs, rocks, tree roots, etc. Fabricated deck zero-turns are tougher, but not bulletproof. Commercial zero-turns, on the other hand, are designed for multiple operators and can take a lot more abuse. All commercial decks have rub bars on the edges, heavy, heavy lift linkages, and heavy-duty frames. Commercial mowers can take a hit against a foundation but your new residential zero-turn may not.
2. Small zero-turns ride rough. On your typical mole-infested lawn most women have to wear a sports bra to be comfortable driving one. You need a zero-turn that weighs over 700 lbs before they start to smooth out. Even then, many of the higher weight, higher cost zero-turns also mow faster so the ride gets rougher again. More and more brands are now offering thick suspension seats and suspension platforms that smooth out the ride. The Toro MyRide is one of the best.
Note: It’s actually pretty common for people’s hands to go numb on a ZTR. You are not used to holding your arms out and having the weight of your arms resting on your fingers. That’s why many come standard with armrests. Try wearing wrist braces and do some strength exercises for your wrists and fingers. You can buy medical wrist braces at your pharmacy or sports braces at the sporting goods store. They both will work for you. Squeeze a tennis ball for a few weeks can help too.
3. Small zero-turns that are weighted so they won’t pop wheelies going uphill, but will easily get stuck in sand, mud puddles, and loose soil. If there is no turf, the front casters of a small zero-turn will plow into the soil and get stuck. Mid-priced zero-turns use larger front and rear tires that eliminate the problem.
4. If you can lift the front end of your zero-turn by yourself don’t try mowing up a hill with it. There is a fine line between designing a small zero-turn that will turn in loose sand and one that won’t tip over backward going up a hill. Brands of small zero-turns that will turn well in loose soil usually won’t go up a hill without the front wheels coming off the ground.
5. Zero-turn mowers in general don’t turn well going downhill and small zero-turns will not turn going downhill. With wet turf, drought-dry turf, and even good turf, the rear wheels can’t always get enough traction to turn the unit when it’s pointed downhill. Slow down before you go down the hill or mow the hill diagonally going down. When mowing with a small zero-turn across a slope they have a tendency to slide down the slope. This can be very embarrassing and very deadly when you slide into the pond or you slide off the lawn and over a landscape wall. NEVER, I repeat never mow a slope with a pond or drop-off at the bottom of the slope. Aways stay two-three mower widths away from the pod or drop-off. Even the most expensive ZTR’s can lose traction and slide down the slope. Plan on using a walk-behind mower or creating a nature area for those types of slopes.
Steering wheel ZTR’s are better for slopes. They will turn as well or better than your lawn tractor. They also handle slopes better than lawn tractors because both rear wheels are driven all the time.
6. Small zero-turns may tip over backward going uphill. They are much worse with a bagger attached. A good rule of thumb is to try backing up the hill with your zero-turn. If the rear wheels lose traction and start to spin the slope is too steep to mow up. If you have a walkout basement mow the slope diagonally – going downhill! Yes, it takes more time, but it is safer.
7. Small zero-turns are delivered with too much air in the tires. Read the manual and adjust the air pressure to 12-14 lbs.
8. Small zero-turns push hard when the engine is not running. The two transmission release levers may be in front of the transmission instead of on the rear frame like your yard tractor. There are two release levers. Even with the transmissions released they can still be hard to move. If you have to move one without the engine running I find that tying a piece of rope to the front of the zero-turn and pulling it is easier than trying to push it around.
9. Small zero-turns will tear up your lawn. The least expensive ones have rounded tries and tend to dig into your turf easily. Wider, flat tires work the best.
10. Small zero-turns do not have good traction. The turning traction is all on the rear wheels. They can be hard to turn on dry grass or wet grass.
11. Many retailers and most dealers have a 30-day return policy. You have a very short window to decide if you bought the right mower.
12. Many cheap zero-turn mowers do not mow in reverse. They will zero-turn (pull one lever back to rotate one tire in reverse while the other tire goes forward) but the deck shuts off when you pull both levers back. I don’t recommend disabling this feature.
13. Small zero-turn mowers will tear up and scratch anything behind them. I have a hitch on my Dixon ZTR and my wife has had it stuck in the chain-link fence around the dog yard dozens of times. Look for a zero-turn with a rounded rear frame. Also don’t buy a small zero-turn where the engine sticks out farther than the rear frame. If you get too close and hit something with the rear you can easily damage your engine.
14. Residential zero-turn mowers should not be used to pull anything over 200 lbs. Most zero turn mowers under $3000 use Hydro-Gear EZT transmissions are not designed to pull a yard cart full of dirt, a sweeper full of green grass, or especially a leaf vac. That is why most of the cheaper models do not come with a rear hitch. The transmissions are designed to give you years of use mowing your yard but they will burn out quickly if you try to pull loads like a yard cart filled with dirt or a leaf vac. If a dealer tries to tell you his zero-turn can pull a leaf vac and the mower is priced under $3000 ask him to include a lifetime warranty on the transmissions. If you would like a more detailed explanation just ask in the comments below.
15. Be very careful if the zero-turn only has great reviews. There should be reviews where people bought the wrong machine and didn’t like it or didn’t understand how to use it. Note: If the unit only has great reviews I would suspect there are paid reviewers writing the reviews.
16. Zero-turns are finish cut mowers, not field/pasture mowers. Even the $5000 to $14,000 commercial models are designed to mow your lawns beautifully but there are very few that work well on grass/weeds over 6 inches. The long grass can wrap around the components underneath (spindles) and ruin the bearing or cause enough drag to burn out the deck belts. They don’t like stumps, rocks, dirt mounds, or ant hills any better than your lawn tractor. If you want to mow the pasture when the grass is over 6 inches you will have to mow the same area at least twice.
Note. Pastures, fields, paddocks, and timber with grass and brush taller than 12 inches require a rotary cutter (bush hog) or rough cut mower. Yes, I know many of the mid-priced ZTR’s appear heavy duty enough but please don’t blame the mower or the brand when your mower requires $500 worth of repairs because you needed to mow your horse pasture. I will always suggest a rough cut mower like the Acrease rough cut or a tractor-mounted “Bush Hog” brush mower to mow pastures and fields.
17. This bears repeating: NEVER, I repeat never mow a slope with a pond or drop-off at the bottom of the slope. Even the most expensive ZTR’s can lose traction and slide down the slope. Plan on a walk-behind mower or nature area for those types of slopes.
How do you actually drive a zero-turn?
If you have never driven a zero-turn before they do take some practice. If you don’t learn to drive it properly you will tear large divots out of your lawn. Why? Zero-turn mowers do not have a differential and it is up to you to keep the wheels moving when making a turn. If you allow one wheel to stop during the turn it skids and digs a hole in your lawn. This divoting is made worse on the cheaper residential zero-turns that have cheap rounded tires installed. Lawn tractors have a differential that allows one rear wheel to travel at a different speed on a turn. In other words, it allows the inside wheel on a turn to slow down but continues to roll so it does not tear up your lawn. Depending on you and the zero-turn you are using it can take 5 minutes to 5 hours to become proficient.
Here is a video of how a differential works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F40ZBDAG8-o
How exactly does a zero-turn mower save you time compared to a lawn tractor?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM59VPfApGU
Still undecided? Here is another article to help you: The Best Zero Turn Mower Buyer’s Guide – The best ZTR for you is not that hard to figure out..
Is this enough information? When you decide that a zero-turn mower is the best choice for you check out this article: The Best Residential Zero Turn Mowers 2021
Feel free to ask questions or leave comments below.
06 Diane Blackwood
I have planted a few thousand seedlings on about 30 acres for wind block and wildlife. Unfortunately, I cannot get there as frequently as I should and the grass/weeds can get tall between mowing. Slope categories up to 6-12 degrees. I want to mow around trees, use roundup and then wood chips to reduce weed competition. Some plants are as close as 7 ft apart – too close for me to use my Farmall 706 and rough cut rotary mower – can mow the more open areas with that. Ground is semi-rough. Any recommendations? Friend suggested Dixie Chopper. Her pastures have some rough spots, but are mostly flat, and only have a few shade trees.
Thanks
Paul
Hi Diane, While Dixie Chopper is a good brand it is a Lawnmower and not designed for the heavy-duty work you want to do. I suggest a front deck mower like the Grasshopper FrontMount. These mowers are designed for heavy-duty work and the out-front deck allows you to get under and around trees a lot easier.
If you would like to replace your Farmall (I own a Super H) and have a machine that can do multiple tasks I highly recommend VenTrac. The Ventrac has many accessories including decks that will make short work of mowing your seedlings and replace your Bushhog for all mowing. With a few additional attachments it can completely replace your 706.
Grasshopper and Ventrac are both sold through implement dealers and their websites both have dealer locator pages to help you find your local dealer.
Michael Teese
Hello
I have a Gravely 48” ZTR which I love except for one thing. It throws up a cloud of dust on a dry day that makes it hard to see and I am filthy by the time I get finished mowing my 2 acres. Is there a ZTR or another mower you recommend that throws the least amount of dust in the air
Paul
Hi Michael, You didn’t mention which model you have so I’ll be a little generic. Almost all mowers – especially mowers with three blades will kick up dust if the lawn is dry. Stamped decks, like those on a Craftsman lawn tractor, are the worst. The deeper the deck the better they are at throwing dust out the discharge instead of out the front. 5 or 6 inch deep commercial decks are the best.
Joe
Hi Paul,
Hope you’re well. My brother in law actually just got a 35 acres land/ farm (It’s mostly flat) and he is looking for a lawn mower. He also has a tractor and he’s thinking to get a attachment like “https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/countyline-round-back-rotary-cutter-5-ft-rbrc502cl-1359331”
In your opinion, is that okay or he should be getting a zero-turn Mower instead, and if so do you have recommendation? Thanks in advance.
Paul
Hi Joe, No, a zero-turn is not the right choice for this kind of work unless he wants it all to be a “perfect” lawn.
A rotary cutter is a much better choice. A couple of things to consider with the rotary cutter.
1. Tractor size. 25 HP should have a 4 ft cutter, 25-40 HP tractor should have a 5 ft cutter and a 40-100 HP tractor can handle a 6 ft or larger cutter.
2. Type of cutting to do. Is going to cut down brush and brambles? The Tractor Supply model is not the best choice. The Tractor supply model is a light duty mower and it can handle grass and brush up to one inch. If he has heavy, tall grass, weeds, and brush up to 2 inches he should look at rotary cutters that cost 2-3 times more than the TSC. Bush Hog is a good brand of heavy-duty mowers. Have him check with the farm store where he bought the tractor to get a good rotary mower.
James Schmeling
ZTR and slope question
So my regular lawn service mows all the slopes on my property. My wife just allowed me to buy a John Deere Z930M 60″. It will not mow the slopes on my property, nor, even get close to a few of them without me feeling like I’ll tip over, and I definitely slide some on it. They use 60″ Exmarks (no other info). Other than that I love the new mower, and it does a great job on the rough areas that were cleared last year and this year.
You earlier recommended a Cub Cadet LT3 because I wanted to tow some items, but the Z930M says it has a towing capacity of 400 pounds. Any opinion on an aerator twice a year followed by towed spreaders for lawn care and overseeding or a leaf sweeper being too hard on it?
Finally, I found out that a 1600 pound mower going over a groundhog den got stuck when the rear wheel dropped right in. Fortunately my wife was close by with a four wheel drive to help pull it out while I drove it so as not to hurt the transaxles. But I definitely will stay the heck away from that part of the yard close to a stream!!!
Paul
Hi James, I don’t recommend the Z930M very often just for the reasons you mentioned. Yes, It’s a very heavy-duty mower and will last a long time, but the weight distribution is a lot different than an Exmark or Walker mower. It has a lot of front end weight so it mows flat areas well and gives you a smooth ride but it does not have great traction for slopes and gets stuck quicker than most other commercial mowers.
CJ
Hello, Paul. With 950 comments and no search field (that I noticed) I was unable to get answers to my problems in a timely manner. May I begin by saying that I live on top of a ridge that falls off on three side leaving me with very little flat ground. I am also heavily wooded, probably 50 trees on the mowable acre. Finally, I have a wicked grade change for the walk out lower level of about 40 degrees that is about a 10 foot slope 30 foot ridge. The remainder of this slope that is about 15 feet wide is at an angle of about 10 to 15 degrees leading to a drop off. Can it get any worse? Originally, I paid little mind mowing the back yard with the dreadful slopes until the growth reached four or more feet in height. Now, I mow it regularly, but I significantly multiply the times I face the challenges.
I suspect that I will be the laughing stock of many of your readers when I say that I haven’t found anything to replace what I currently use. Get ready… Snapper RERs. I have had two, both purchased used and except for two issues, they have been beasts. The first mower came with the front edge of the deck cut away to blade height. This allowed me to drive into 4 and 5 foot high growth. The frame and deck would bend the grass over and the blade would cut very effectively like a scythe. I was very hard on this unit and after many years as a second owner using the cut away deck, I finally twisted out the crank. I replaced this with a second Snapper, without the cut away deck and the change necessitated my mowing that part of the lot on a weekly basis.
My attraction to these mowers was the low center of gravity, crucial for my lot. Even so, I had to design and build front end weights, about 40 lbs to stabilize the unit. Chains on the drive wheels are an absolute must. My current unit is fitted with a Kohler 14hp Commander, electric start. Strong. The unit is about as close to zero turn as I can get, easily running around trees. The steerable front wheels keeps the mower on track along the slopes. The mower easily/quickly changes speed on the fly. Unfortunately, there are two major issues that plague me. 1) The most serious is that the twisting frame design that allows all four wheels to remain on the ground on rough terrain also allows the front and rear sections of the mower to slip toward each other. This releases tension on the belt drive, which stalls out the unit blade and drive wheels. 2) The small diameter front wheels will not steer the mower effectively. The weights are a double edged sword. They increase stability, and turning, but sink the small tires into the ground.
I have looked at many of the zero turns, but there is very little information or offerings on narrow units, low seat center of gravity design, steerable front wheels etc. For example, the Cadet Ultima comes with steering and narrow 30 (?) cut, but the center of gravity is too high for my liking.
After my long explanation of curses, do you have any recommendations? Should be a very small field of choice. Regards, CJC.
PS. While writing this comment/question, I discovered that the Snapper RER is being brought back. I am not surprised. If there has been any improvements on the frame slippage and wheel options, I may go for a third. As I mentioned earlier, the unit is a beast, almost impossible to break.
Paul
Hi CJ, Based on your explanation there are only three sit-down ZTR’s that may be able to mow your slopes. All the rest of the zero-turns are unsafe for slopes over 15 degrees.
1. Walker Model R. It has the lowest center of gravity of any residential ZTR. Go to the Walker website, request a demo, and they’ll come out and help you decide if the Model R is a good choice.
2. Cub Cadet Pro Z 972 – 72 inch deck. Can handle up to 30-degree slopes
3. Kut Kwick SlopeMaster 60 inch. Can handle up to 45-degree slopes.
Ride-ons. The Snapper RER was a beast. It was built to last and there are many still running today. Unfortunately, I highly doubt the new model will be built like the ones you own. To get that quality today Briggs would have to charge around $3000.
1. There is only one ride-on that I can recommend for your slopes. The AS-Motor AS 940 Sherpa 4WD XL is used around the world to mow the steepest slopes. Many ski resorts use it to mow in the summer because it’s bout the only mower that will climb up and down the ski slopes.
2. All residential 30-36 inch ride-on’s are only rated for 10-degree slopes.
Stand-on’s. Stand on mowers 48 inches and larger can handle slopes well. The nice thing about them is if you get in trouble you can just step off the mower and let it crash down the slope. DO NOT buy a stand-on smaller than 48 inches. The 32-36 inch models can’t handle slopes.
1. My favorite, affordable stan=on is the BRADLEY 48″ STAND-ON COMPACT MOWER BRIGGS COMMERCIAL TURF. This mower is very affordable and built by a small company that I trust. Bradley mowers have been around since the early 90’s so even though you probably never heard of them – it’s a great machine.
Walk-behinds.
There is one walk-behind mower that I really like for slopes. The Toro T-Bar mowers allow you to use only one hand to control the mower so you can walk alongside of It when the mowing is steep. If you can’t mow it with anything else the Toro T-bar will do it. Toro T-Bar mowers
Pam B
Hi Paul-I am a homeowner looking to buy an Exmark Radius E ZTR. What is your opinion on the newest 48 in Radius E with the Kawasaki FR691 motor? It is priced at $5999 but with the discounts it is $5299 at my local dealer. I want to add the suspension seat which brings it to $5598. Should I look at the Radius S model with the discounts will be $6099? Will I notice a difference in the Kawasaki FR vs FX motors and the ZT2800 vs ZT3100 transmission? My yard is fairly flat and approx 1/2 acre. Thanks
Paul
Hi Pam, The main difference is the Radius E has a residential-grade engine and transmission while the Radius S has a commercial-grade engine and transmissions.
The difference is the residential components are designed to run 1-5 hours a week and last at least 10 years while the commercial components are designed to run 30-40 hours a week and last at least 10 years. So for only another $500 you are getting an engine and transmissions that will last 10 times longer.
Do the normal yearly maintenance on the Radius S and it will be the last mower you need to buy.
Pam B
Thanks for your response. Unfortunately due to limited supply, I can only locate the Radius E with the Kawasaki FR691 motor and ZT2800. Looking at my land survey my lot is 0.25 acre. I definitely want a solid machine. My local dealer can order the Radius S with a 2 month wait time. Should I wait for the Radius S or purchase the Radius E?
Paul
Hi Pam B. For your size property, the Radius E is a very good choice. With the supply issues the industry is having that 2 months may easily stretch into 6 months or longer. While the Radius S is a true commercial mower the Radius E will last you many years without any issues whatsoever.
Pam
Hi Paul – I noticed the Radius E comes with 2 blades at 24.5 inches instead of the 3 blades at 16.5 inches. How will this impact the cut quality?
Paul
Hi Pam, No. The blade tip speed is the same for both designs so they both cut the same. If you ever want to put a bagger on it the longer blades actually help throw the grass into the bagger better.
Pam
Hi Paul I went to the dealer to purchase the Exmark E and I noticed scuff marks on the outside deck, yoke, and a couple of other places. The dealer said its normal to happen during transit because they are transported in a metal crate. He said he could use spray paint from Exmark and it should be fine. Is this normal to happen? I don’t want to buy it if it has issues. He states these are cosmetic marks.
Paul
Hi Pam, yes this is normal. Even when they deliver it they may scrape the bottom of the deck taking it off the trailer.
If they are just scuff marks you can rub them out with Turtle Wax polishing compound. (get it Walmart or your hardware store in the automotive wax section) If they are scratches you can apply car wax to them and they won’t show rust.
Pam B
Thanks for your help Paul! I will get the Radius E.
Conrad
Paul, picked up my Toro Timecutter 54″ w/ MyRide a few days ago…. it is fantastic!! Thanks so much for your time. I am genuinely impressed with the MyRide seat.
Matthew Bono
Paul
My wife and I are soon to be closing on a new build home. Its going to be approx. 8000 sq ft of TTTF or KGB/TTTF mix – yet to be determined.
Its a walkout with one side pretty steep and the other still steep but less so, the final grade isn’t done and its a muddy mess so i haven’t measured the angle.
I liked the idea of one of the Cub Cadet steering wheel zero turns based on your discussion of how they handle hills but am not at all opposed to a tractor, even a good upper end used tractor.
Will any of the steering wheel ZT’s handle hills and or allow me to pull a small sprayer trailer, mount an electric spreader?
Would your recommendation be a 4 wheel drive tractor, a 2wd tractor with diff lock, a sub compact tractor, or a ZT with addition push sprayer and spreader for applications.
I’m in central Iowa so I have dealers for Cub Cadet, Husqvarna, Toro, Grasshopper, Exmark, and probably more (Gravely?).
thanks
Paul
Hi Matthew, 8000 sq ft. Is right on the edge for mowing it without a riding mower – if you like to walk. You can easily mow your lawn in less than an hour with Toro TimeMaster and get a perfect cut.
That said, walkouts can be tricky. I strongly recommend mowing down the slope. In other words, start at the top, mow down the hill, drive back around on the more level area, and then down again. It takes longer but that will keep you safe. (NEVER mow up the slope) If you mow it that way any ZTR like the Toro Timecutter Model 75746 will work well. This Toro is nice because it has the really good fabricated deck and Smart Speed. You can put the speed selector in tow and never have to worry about overheating the transmissions when pulling stuff.
If you want the Cub Cadet I recommend a 50 inch model RZT SX 50. The mower’s stance is wider so it will handle the slope very well. The steerable wheels in the front help to hold it on slopes.
Finally, the Ariens IKON XD and Gravely ZT X are two of the “stickiest” ZTRs on slopes. The larger 20 inch rear tires give them the traction to mow on slopes other residential ZTRs just slide down. And – they mower well too! Check out my video of the Ariens 2020 Ariens IKON XD Mowing Review
Matthew R Bono
Thanks Paul, always appreciate some expert advice. I’ll plan on mowing downhill in all cases.
I’d considered a Timemaster but thought it might be of value to have a smaller push mower should I need to mow between fences or transport it, also for storage and I’d rather spend the extra on a rider.
Speaking of push mowers, mow slopes down, across or diagonal?
I’ll check out the review videos, glad to hear I have options.
Would these pull a plug aerator, or is that too ground engaging?
Thanks agIn
Paul
Hi Matthew, Yes, they will all pull and 42-44 inch aerator, yard cart, spreader, etc.
NEVER mow downhill with a push mower. It’s too easy to slip and fall under the mower. Diagonal or across is the best.
The TimeMaster takes up no more room lengthwise than a push mower and it’s only 9 inches wider. Of course, I have a video showing you how big it really is:
J.R.
Hi Paul,
I have had a Simplicity tractor for 18yrs with no issues. Now at 50+ yrs I am looking to a zero turn to get done faster. I have about 3/4 of an acre that is mowable. I am looking at the Simplicity Courier. They dealer recommends the 42″. Is it worth the extra $800 for the 48″ with the rear suspension or is that an overkill?
Paul
Hi J.R., No, it’s not worth it. The rear suspension helps you with the bumps but may cause your lawn mowing to look wavy. The deck is tied to the frame so when the rear moves up and down – so does the mower deck.
Conrad
Paul, I have a 1 acre yard that is about 1/2 lawn and 1/2 heavier bladed fescue and field grass (never more than 4-6″ tall). Not too many obstacles but alot of three point turns. The field portion is low lying and is typically saturated well into may/june. I don’t usually start mowing until then as even with a lawn/garden tractor its not really doable without making lasting ruts. Once June/July hits it really drys out and becomes stable. I regularly deal with moles but always knock down the hills before I mow but it definitely contributes to a bumpier terrain in the field portion.
Given my site conditions, do you think a ZRT would be right for me to decrease my mowing time of 1:45 or so? I work long hours and have little kids so even getting back 20-30 minutes each mow would be worth it to me. I see you’ve mentioned Toro as being a model with notably good ride comfort, should I be looking that direction? I was intrigued by the “bad boy” brand’s claims regarding a strong welded frame and deck. I currently have a stamped metal riding mower that just feels like its made of plastic so that seemed like an attractive proposition for a long lasting machine.
What would you suggest? I’m looking to stay at or below $5000. Thanks for your time and knowledge
Paul
Hi Conrad, If you want to save time I recommend a ZTR in the 48-54 inch size.
The only mower brands that don’t have a “strong welded frame and deck” are Husqvarna Residential and John Deere residential. The rest including Toro all have very stiff welded tube frames.
Would you please look around your area to see what brands dealers carry? There are at least 20 brands that make a mower that will work well for you. I’d hate to recommend a mower that you have to drive 50 miles to get repairs and parts for.
I’ll wait for your reply.
Conrad
Paul, The local dealers offer John Deere, ExMark, Toro and Husqvarna. Thank you for your time.
Paul
Hi Conrad, I recommend the Toro Timecutter with 50-inch deck or the Exmark Quest S Series. The Toro dealer will have the Timecutter with a Toro, Kawasaki, or Kohler engine. The Exmark will have an Exmark engine. All four engines are good and I have NO preference between the four. In fact, other than the deck, the Exmark S and Toro Timecutter are the same machines. (The Toro deck is a little more rugged but the Exmark deck cuts a little better)
If you really want a Deere you will have to go up to the Z500 series to get the same performance and durability. (starts at $4000)
I don’t recommend Husqvarna ZTRs at this time.
Conrad
Paul, thank you for your time. Your knowledge is invaluable. I will donate to your site.
Paul
Hi Conrad, Thank you!
Robert Almstorm
Hi Paul, I have an Ariens Zoom 2350 and I am hating this zero turn mower. It won’t start and when it does it starts hard. Have replaced numerious parts, batteries.
My wife and I are master gardeners, need something for garden, snow, grass, leaves, bolders, stumps, etc. Best bang for the buck! Thank you. Robert
Paul
Hi Robert, Have you ever tried adjusting the choke cable out on the engine? 90% of starting problems as you described is because the choke is not closing all the way.
That said, I won’t have any information on the 2021 mowers for a couple of months yet. But, in the meantime watch these two videos.
David G McDaniel
Hi, Paul
A few months back you had ask what dealers I had in my area and you could suggest a good ztr for my parents 32 acres. I had expressed interest in a tow behind but mow my parents want to get rid of there lawn tractor and get a ztr. I have Jacks Saw shop which sell Gravelys. Maccon Ford tractor which sell Toro. Macon outdoor sell Bobcats and Hustler. a Big boys dealership and my dad has a John Deere dealership that he deal with near his house. Thanks!
Paul
Hi David, you would be happy with a Gravely Pro-Turn Z, Toro Titan with MyRide, a Bob-Cat XRZ™ Pro, 700 series Deere, or a Hustler Fastrak. I’d stay away from the Bad Boy for your application.
I suggest stopping by each dealer and tell them what you want to do. Then pick the mower (and dealer) that you like best.
Paul
Hi David, I strongly recommend that you do not buy from TSC, Home Depot or Lowes. The mowers they sell are not heavy-duty enough for your application. Check out Gravely, Toro and ExMark first. You want a mower with ZT3100 or ZT3400 transmissions.
There is only one pull-behind I recommend. It’s the Acrease Rough Cut by Kunz Engineering.
They have the right hitches for your mower so that you can pull it offset Their mower is a heavy-duty mower and they have the experience to set you up with the right model.
Gary and Matt specialize in pull-behind and they’ve been making mowers since the mid-90’s.
Contact them and they’ll help you find a dealer or ship the mower right to you. (Check out my finish mower setup I used for my large properties: Two 60 inch Acrease Wing mowers behind a 60 inch Great Dane. 15 acres and hour!
David McDaniel
I’m curious as to how I will be able to connect the pull-behind to the tractor with a bush hog already connected to it. To get it to pull right beside the bush hog or connect the pull-behind to the bush hog and have it offset from there? I know how the offset works but how do I connect it to the tractor. Thanks!
Paul
Hi David, I thought you were going to hook it up to a ZTR. Anyway, Acrease makes an adjustable hitch that you can bolt onto a rear corner of the bush hog. Take a look at the picture in the last comment and you can see how to stagger the rough-cut to the bush hog.
David McDaniel
Hi Paul , My father has 32 acres that he has been cutting regularly( like a regular lawn) for well over 20 years. So its not over grown any where or too bumpy. Most of the land is just a field but there is a good bit that has a lot of obstacles. He uses a tractor and 84 inch bush hog and a john deere lawn tractor. The john deere is having issues with the belt coming off. My brother says it takes around 8 hours with the bush hog and another day with the john deere to get it cut. Would it be worth it t get a ztr? I will be cutting it probably the most often and I live 2 hours a way so I would want to get as much done as possible in a day. What do you recommend? Thank you!
Paul
Hi David, A good 60-72 inch commercial mower ($8000+) can mow 5 to 6 acres an hour. Let me know what lawn equipment dealers there are in the area and I can help you find one that will work well and last a long time.
Chris Lawson
With having to mow approximately 2.5 acres with about 80 trees what mower will stand up to all of the turning over the years? Is there anything specific I should look for in a commercial grade mower? I am just seriously tired of spending almost 4 hrs of time trimming every time before I mow.
Paul
Hi Cris, I suggest a 50-52 inch zero turn mower. The deck sticks out the side of the mower enough that you can get a lot closer and it will save you a lot of trimming.
That size deck will cut your mowing down to about an hour.
I have an article with the best mowers in that size here: 2020 The Sixteen Best 48-52 Inch Zero Turn Mowers
My top three choices are the Toro TimeCutter, Ariens IKON XD and Cub Cadet XT2
Chris Lawson
I appreciate the reply. I currently have a 54″ which works fantastic as far as cut width. So I do plan on staying around that range. I’m not sure a CVT trans would hold up to years of constant turning on the ZTR. There are very few straight runs on my property. If the hydro gear is a better option in durability how are they on maintenance? I’m not looking to break the bank but I know I’m looking at around 5-8 thousand for a good mower. Just making sure I go in with as much knowledge as possible. Thanks again
Paul
Hi Chris, Yes, the ZT 2200 (EZT) transmissions are a little light for 54 inch deck. Troy-Bilt and John Deere can get away with it because their mowers are very lightweight and don’t go over 6 mph.
But if you want trannys to last and want to mow over 7 MPH you’ll need ZT 2800, ZT 3100, or ZT 3200. The ZT 3100 and 3200 are commercial rated.
Check out this article: 2020 The Sixteen Best 54-72 Inch Residential Zero Turn Mowers. There are a few that I recommend in your price range.
Pamela M Barber
Hi Paul,
I am trying to decide if a ZTR is right for me. I have 0.25 acre lot but it is very strenuous on me. I have developed a slight case of asthma and allergies that make it more difficult to mow the yard. Currently, I have a Toro self-propelled push mower. Does it make sense for me to purchase a ZTR mower? I am looking at the Toro Titan 75311 (48″) only because I want something that will last me for years to come. I have researched several ZTR mowers and I like the build quality of this mower. Please help!
Paul
Hi Pamela, With a little practice you’ll be able to mow your lawn in about 12 minutes!
Is it overkill? Yes. Will the mower last? Yes, you should be able to get years out of it without ANY problems. Just sharpen the blades every other year, replace the belts every 5-7 years. Use Synthetic oil and change the oil, oil filter, and air filter every two years. Keep it fairly clean and it will last 20 years!
Pamela M Barber
Thanks the response Paul. Is there a different ZTR that you feel is more suitable?
Paul
Hi Pamela, you would be quite happy with any of the zero-turns in this article for your sixe property: 2020 The Thirteen Best 42-46 Inch Zero Turn Mowers
Mike
Hi Paul,
I’ve been driving myself nuts reading reviews and trying to understand what it is that I really need, would appreciate any guidance. I have a house on a 2 acre lot in Texas, so I’m looking at a 7 month or so mowing season and I’d like to “buy once, cry once”. The back half is mostly flat scrub, while the front has 15-18 trees to maneuver around. There is also a drainage ditch that is dry most of the time. It’s approximately 3 feet deep and 6-7 feet wide with a slope of around 30 degrees or so. I’d like to spend $3500 or less, and I think a zero-turn is what I’m after but I’m not 100% certain. I’ve been looking at models made by Gravely, Ariens, Cub Cadet, and others, and now I’m feeling some of that good ol’ analysis paralysis. Your site has been incredibly helpful, and any input would be great. Thanks!
Paul
Hi Mike, Riding mowers are designed to mow 15-degree slopes or less. 30 degrees is almost too steep to walk up so you may have to mow the ditch bank with a walk-behind mower or string trimmer. That said,
For your size yard and the possibility that a zero-turn can mow your slope, I suggest a 50-52 inch size. This gives you the best tradeoff between stability and getting the lawn mowed fast. A 60-inch mower is too wide and the mowers are too light for one to stay on any slopes over 15 degrees.
For the longest life, I recommend a zero-turn with the ZT 2800 transmissions but that puts you a little over your budget.
My first choice, the Gravely ZT XL is about $4200. You may also be able to find last years Ariens XL for a little less. (This year’s Ariens XD uses the lighter ZT 2200 trannys)
The second choice is the Ariens XL. It is last year’s model and you may be able to find it for a little less at a dealer. (This year’s Ariens XD uses the lighter ZT 2200 trannys)
The third choice is the Cub Cadet ZT2 50 Ultima Series. It’s right in your price range and the only reason I’m listing it as third is that the Gravely/Ariens 52 inch fabricated decks cut taller grass a little better than the ZT2 fabricated deck. If you let that scrub grass get over 12 inches you may have to mow it twice to get a clean cut with the Cub Cadet. If you are mowing off 2-8 inches this deck is great. You can get this ZT2 50 directly from Cub Cadet if you don’t have a local dealer. Cub Cadet ZT2 50 at Cub Cadet
Mike
Thanks Paul! I talked to my wife last night about other things we might want to do besides mow the lawn, and she’d like something that is capable of moving some mulch and pulling a small trailer, so I’m taking a hard look at the ZT2 50. Appreciate the input!
Brett
Hi Paul, I have about 0.33 acres to mow. Obviously the house sits there and a good size driveway. We had an acre in the past but recently downsized. Interested to see if you think I should go with a zero turn or a lawn tractor for the new property. I’ve used a 42” Toro Time Cutter and a 60” Toro as well as a 60” Dixon years ago. I like the zero turn, but not sure if I’ll need it with the smaller acreage. Curious of your recommendation on zero turn v. lawn tractor.
Paul
Hi Brett, A zero-turn will give you the best cut and will mow a lot faster than a cheap lawn tractor. If you buy the base model Toro Timecutter it will last you years. The Toro42″ TimeCutter 452cc Zero-Turn Riding Mower with Smart Speed, Model 75740 actually will handle a yard cart and other tow-behind tools better than a cheap lawn tractor. I love the sound of a V-Twin so the Model 75742 is also a good choice: Toro 42 in. 22.5 HP TimeCutter Commercial V-Twin Gas Dual Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Riding Mower with Smart Speed
Brett
Thank you! I’ve always been partial to the zero turn, but only used for mowing. I was not sure the zero turn could handle the yard cart as well as a lawn tractor. Was looking at a decently priced lawn tractor as well, not super cheap. There is a pretty decent sized slope in the back yard so that was also a concern. Thanks for your response.
Andy
Hi Paul – great site!! Thanks for the all the information.
I recently purchased a used Gravely ZT 52 HD and really like it, but it has Kenda Super Turf tires in 20×10-10, and they’re not very good for soft, wet areas and for my slopes (up to 20 deg). I’m looking at two options: 1) Carlisle AT101 Chevron in 21×11-10 and GTW Barrage (golf cart tires) in 20×10-10. Both have plenty of load capacity for my machine and should provide better traction, although I’ll have to be more careful about turns so as not to tear things up. The Carlisles are designed for zero turns, but require some machine modifications for clearance (1/4″ wheel spacer, raise the gas tank 1/2″), because they’re bigger; the GTW’s will fit directly. Which do you think will provide better traction? If the Carlisles are better, are they enough so to justify the hassle of the slight mods? Thanks for your help.
Paul
Hi Andy, I’d go with the GTW Barrage tires. They are self-cleaning so they won’t fill up with mud and they are bi-directional so they’ll give you traction if you have to back out of a mud hole.
Changing the tank location and making spacers is too much work. Bar tread(Chevron) really only works for farm tractors working in loose dirt or cut way down for hard clay tractor pulling.
Andy
Thank you, Paul. Do any of your sponsors sell them? If so, post a link, and I’ll check it out. If the price is decent, I’ll buy from them.
Paul
Hi Andy, The S240 and X series are dealer only mowers. Thanks, But, Don’t worry about it. I make enough here.
If you want you may send a few dollars to PayPal Paul Sikkema. The money will go to running this website.
Elvis
Good morning sir, Great Article
How do you feel about John Deer Z355R 2020 Model? It’s going to be for personal use. I have a acre of land pretty much flat.
Paul
Hi Elvis, I talk about the Z355R in this article: 2020 The Sixteen Best 48-52 Inch Zero Turn Mowers. It has one of the best cutting decks on the market. The Z355R has the most options like armrests, etc. so it’s really the best of the Deere 355 series. For a one-acre flat lawn it is a great choice. Home Depot Link: Z355R 48 in. 22 HP Gas Dual Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Riding Mower
Elvis
Thank you so much for your response. I would like your input on another mower I fell in love with. I think I am leaning this way. 2020 Toro Timecutter My ride 75745. I went to look at the J/D and a few days looked at the Toro and Omg what a beast looks well built and very sexy. What’s your input?
Paul
Hi Elvis, I have a complete article on the Timecutter here: Toro Introduces New 2020 TimeCutter Zero-Turn Mowers.
I’m glad you found the Toro. The Timecutter with the fabricated deck, smart speed, and MyRide make it twice the mower as the 300 series Deere. Everything about the Toro is better, built stronger and the mower will last you many years.
Timothy
This is the question I was looking for, comparing Toro versus John Deere. The manufacturing warranty is substantially different. Toro is a 3-year, unlimited use; whereas Deere is 1-year or 120-hour use, whichever comes first. I do have a slope in my front yard with a 4-foot drop followed by a 3-foot ledge, followed by another 3-foot drop (think the stone walls in New England). There is a 3-foot gap and the slope is less than 15 degrees the closer you get towards the wall, but the previous owner put in a ton of mulch beds, only a half acre. I am going from the city with about 3,000 square feet of yard with a 22″ deck Ryobi electric mower (awful). I’m hoping the Toro 22.5 hp commercial or the 452cc will do the trick, what would you prefer?
Paul
Hi Timothy, The Toro has better traction than the Deere so it will handle those slopes better. I prefer the V-Twin. It’s smoother running and will last longer than the single-cylinder 452cc.
Personally I mulch my leaves and when I get too many then pick them up with a sweeper. But if you want a perfectly clean law a bagger is the way to go.
Timothy
Thanks a bunch. Your site was very informative, and saved me a lot of time and energy looking at various models. If you are able to see my email I would love to get you a gift card somewhere local to you.
Paul
Hi Timothy, Thank you! If you would like to support the work I do here directly you may use this link: PayPal/PaulSikkema. Money collected through PayPal will only be used to improve the experience on this site and purchase demos for testing and review. PayPal does not charge a fee for this transaction so any amount is always appreciated.
Jon
Hi Paul,
Your article has been extremely informative. I grew up in the Chicagoland area and now live in south Mississippi. I’ve been looking into purchasing a ZTR for sometime but the options are endless. Currently, I have a regular riding mower and live on about 2.5 acres. I regularly maintain about 1 acre and the rest is a “field”. I’d like to maintain it once I get it roughcut again. This said, I want to purchase a ZTR that can serve my needs but that I could also use for side work. I figure if I am going to get into a ZTR, I might as well make it worth it and have a side business since I own the other professional tools already. Do you have any specific suggestions for deck width, brand, and/or model? I don’t want to go “full professional” but I also don’t want a consumer level mower. Also, while our terrain isn’t significantly hilly, there are some areas that have slight slopes (less than 15 degrees). Thanks!
Paul
Hi Jon, If you are going to mow your lawn and others I suggest a 48-52 inch deck on a high-end residential model. That gives you a great cut, but small enough to fit on most yards. Personally, I’d recommend a mower with ZT2800 trannys minimum – ZT3100 and ZT3200 trannys are considered entry commercial.
Most mowers in the $5000-7000 range will mow well and be tough enough to last a few years doing 20-30 lawns a week.
Brands: If you are mowing for others the biggest thing to look at is your local dealer. If your mower has an issue or you need parts a good dealer will get you back running fast. Exmark, Toro, Scag and Gravely are the top four. Bad Boy, Walker, Hustler, Country Clipper, Cub Cadet Ultima XT, Cub Cadet Pro.
Briggs has Ferris up for sale so I’d stay away from that brand right now. My local Deere dealer is a lot more interested in selling $500,000 combines than mowers – but that’s just my area.
Charles Coker
Local Sears store going out of business. They have this mower. Should I buy it?
Have they had problems with it?
Thank You.
Paul
Hi Charles, A few things to help you decide.
1. You will be able to get parts for it from SearsPartsDirect.com
2. The mower frame is actually wider than the deck. You will be able to trim from the left side only.
3. Retail was about $3200. I hope you can get it for a lot less. (under $2000?) The 2020 Cub Cadet is $3599.
4. They did not have any problems with the steering and transmissions. But, like most mowers made by MTD in that time-frame (2012-2015) many of them had problems with the deck drive belt coming off a lot. MTD went through and fixed all those small irritating issues last year and the 2020 Cub Cadet is a better choice today: 42 in. 679 cc Fuel Injected (EFI) V-Twin Engine Dual Hydro Gas ZeroTurn Riding Mower with Steering Wheel Control
5. I personally own an ExMark 42 inch steering wheel ZTR and I like it a lot. It’s similar to this mower. I really like it because my wife can drive it without tearing up the lawn.
Erik W
Paul,
Thanks for all the Help! I am moving out to GA and my new house is on about 3 acres cleared with no trees at the moment, essentially in a field. No stumps or major slopes, just natural land. I am new to the Tractor/ZTR realm and everyone says ZTR all the time. After reading your article it made me think if a ZTR was needed. Im not looking to make it pristine and flawless just looking to keep it manageable and natural back there and neater in the front and not spend my entire Saturday on it what would you suggest. Since I’m new to this I’m not trying to break the bank either.
Paul
Hi Erik, The decks on most lawn tractors are not designed to mow grass over 6 inches tall. In addition, lawn tractors don’t have a heavy enough frame to last mowing rougher ground. You’ll need a garden tractor and they start around $3200.
So, If you are not going to mow the back every week, I strongly suggest a ZTR with a fabricated deck.
You can find a 48-54 inch ZTR with a fabricated deck from Ariens (Ikon XL), Gravely, and Toro (Titan) that will handle taller grass for around $4000-$4500. These mowers will last you many years.
Erik
Paul thanks for the Reply. Ive been looking around since then and I am definitaley concerned about quality of the machine and it seems people have pretty strong opinons about these machines. Ive seen the IKON XL 52 & 60 at decent prices. Im willing to look into the $6,000 range and i see the IKON is below. Is it less of a machine? I want something that will hold up. In that range what do you think?
Paul
Hi Erik, The IKON and IKON XL are 2019 mowers. For 2020 Ariens redesigned the IKON and now calls it the EDGE. The XL is now called the IKON XD.
So, the IKON XL and XD are built a lot stronger than the IKON/EDGE. The IKON XD is a great, heavier duty ZTR and is worth the extra money compared to the Edge. It has heavier deck hangers, heavier frame, better seat with armrests, (a must have) larger tires and better engines.
Steve McCoy
I currently mow about six acres here in southeast Texas. It is all covered in St. Augustine grass and has a minimum amount of trees. The problem is that it was formerly a cow pasture and has many high and low spots that will test a mowers frame (just broke the frame on a Husqvarna LGT2654). I don’t really need a zero turn mower because there is no way I’m going to mow fast so is there a good garden tractor that has a frame that can withstand the abuse or should I go with a zero turn. I have a budget of about 4500 dollars. THANKS.
Paul
Hi Steve, About the only “garden tractors” that have frames that will handle your lawn are the Cub Cadet XT3, Simplicity Prestige and John Deere 500/700 series. Except for the Cub Cadet though they are a lot more than $4500.
If you buy a ZTR in the $4500 range you’ll never go back to a garden tractor. They cut a lot better and actually will ride better. In that price range, they all have frames that are 2-3 times tougher than any Garden Tractor on the market.
I don’t have a lot of preference with the ZTR’s in that price range. The Ariens APEX, Gravely ZT-HD, Hustler Fastrak, and Toro TimeCutter HD are all good choices. If you want the best ride and a ZTR that will last you a long, long time the Toro MyRIDE® TimeCutter® HD is the best choice. Yes, it’s more than $4500 but you’ll be amazed at how well it rides and how fast you can mow your property.
Steve McCoy
Thanks for the quick reply…..time to do some shopping!
Diane Blackwood
I know many horse people that really like their dixie choppers for mowing horse pastures. But at least some of those do mow at least every 2 weeks or so.
Mike
Great article, Paul. Thanks for all you do.
We are about to purchase a new home on 2 flat acres with lots of large-leaf oak trees to trim around (and bag). It will have nearly 1,000 ft of fence line too. It appears to be similar to the yard you describe above, only twice the size. Until this point in my life I’ve only used push mowers or small garden riding mowers. I’m experiencing sticker shock when I look at mowers now! Any counsel you could provide for a his situation would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for your response.
Paul
Hi Mike, Yes, the quality has gotten a lot better in the last 10 years. That has raised the price somewhat – you get what you pay for. The mowers I recommend will all last you years.
First, I recommend a ZTR in the 48-52 inch deck size. It will allow you to get your 2 acres mowed in about an hour and the deck sticks out the side of the mower a little so it will be easy to trim along your fence. If your fence is chainlink or solid to the ground buy couple of gallons of premixed weed/grass herbicide. (ground clear) Spray a 6-inch wide band along the fence and you won’t have to weed-eat it all summer.
Second, do you really want to bag? You may want to consider mulching and using a lawn sweeper to pick up the leaves. Oak leaves are usually dry so they shatter when mulched and a good lawn sweeper will pick up that well. Baggers take time to install and take up a lot of space to store. A sweeper cost a lot less than a bagger and is easier to use. When you are not using the sweeper the hopper/bag can be hung up in the shed and the rest can stay outside. Here ar the lawn sweepers I recommend: Agri-Fab 44 in. 25 cu. ft. Tow-Behind Lawn Sweeper or Ohio Steel Professional Grade 42 in. 18 cu. ft. Lawn Sweeper
Third, I’m going to send you to another article: 2020 The Sixteen Best 48-52 Inch Zero Turn Mowers. In that article I recommend the Toro Timecutter, Cub Cadet Ultima XT1, and the John Deere for your lawn. Not on the list – I also recommend the Ariens Edge 52 (there is no bagger available for this mower)
Mike
Thank you for the quick response, Paul. Actually, I garden, and would love to collect the leaves for leaf mold to add to the beds. The smaller the leaf particles the better, so bagging probably isn’t the best idea. I just didn’t want to have to rake to collect them by hand, and I didn’t want them mulched back into the lawn. Lots of trees on the lot (40-50), and they are random – not in rows. Thank you again.
Anthony Anderson
Really appreciate all of your knowledge. Thanks
Jeff
Hi Paul,
I’ve just read your article and it has made me think; Do I really need, or is a commercial/landowner zero turn best for me (16. Zero-turns are finish cut mowers, not field/pasture mowers….)? I’m looking at an 18 acre parcel of land which is said to be free of any stumps or other obstacles which would require a tractor with a cutter. It is currently cut twice annually for hay. I plan on cutting it more frequently and maintaining it at 3 – 5 inches. I do not plan on using the zero turn until after the last hay cutting which will leave the field at 3 – 5″. Am I understanding what you’re saying in the excerpt of Comment 16 above to mean the zero turn would be appropriate?
Jeff
I neglected to cover part of my question in the initial posting. I’ve been researching ZTR’s to determine which would best suit me. Not knowing the landscape, pun intended, I decided to look at reviews purporting to shed light on the best 5, or top 10 mowers. As you have stated these have their limitations, flaws, and their prejudices also. So far from what I gather a Gravely ProTurn 460, Toro 6000, eXmark X, Hustler Super Z, Ferris IS3200, and the Scag Turf Tiger II reign supreme. All of these are from main stream manufacturers and come with price tags exceeding $11,000.00. Finally, I also read your 2019 Buying Guide which I found very informative. I’m looking to capture some in between the residential ones you mention and the commercial ones mentioned from my other readings.
Can you recommend a few durable, strong and fast front-mounts which have riding comfort, a 7 gauge steel deck, and a 60-61” cut in the $4,000 to $7,000 range…if necessary up to $8,000? If that is too much to ask in a front mount, can you recommend some mid-mounts with the same criteria?
I should also mention I’m in North Central Alabama and the terrain is mostly open and flat to gently rolling/sloping, and yes, there is a pond to slope to.
I intend to cut 18 acres once per week. I correctly / incorrectly associate 27hp and 7 gauge steel to be the baseline for strong, and 5.5 acres per hour to be the baseline for fast…am I far off?
Paul
Hi Jeff, there are no front-deck ZTR’s in the $4-7000 range. The only ones worth considering are the Walker and Grasshopper brands. They start about $10,000
Paul
Hi Jeff, If you don’t let the grass get over 12 inches tall a commercial ZTR would do the job. The best cutting decks for taller grass currently are the Ariens/Gravely XL and Pro decks.
If you plan on only cutting it every month or less often I actually suggest an ACREase 57 inch Rough Cut Mower. They are the toughest pull behind field mower on the market and designed specifically for the type of mowing you want to do. You can pull it with your ATV or a ZTR with ZT2800 transmissions. I suggest contacting them directly and they can help you find the nearest dealer. I also suggest adding the optional Floatation Kit if you have ditches and berms to cut.
Jeff
Thanks Paul, that’s really helpful.. Once I start cutting it it shouldn’t get to be more than about 6 inches if it rains bad. Otherwise it’ll be lower. Guess I’ll go with the Gravely since they have the 7 gauge decks. Am I putting too much into that? Which engines do your recommend between the Kohler, Yamaha, and Kawasaki?
Paul
Hi Jeff, They are all good engines but I would not pay extra for a Kawasaki or Yamaha. The Yamaha is the newest to the market, Kohler has the best reputation in this price range.
Steve D
Hi Paul, truly appreciate your informative article! I am undecided between a riding lawn mower/tractor and a Zero turn and want your advise. My yard is .39 acre with a small front yard but a pretty good sized back yard for a city lot with 5 trees in the center of the yard and three evergreen trees at the rear of the yard. Both front and back yard are flat-level. I do not like to devote anymore ti e to cutting grass than I have to. I have NO experience with zero turn mowers. Budget for used riding lawn mower is roughly $1200-$1300, used residential zero turn $1800-$2000. I am leaning toward a riding lawn mower/tractor with with leaf attachment.
With the above information what is your professional recommendation for me between the riding lawn mower and a residential zero turn (used under $2,000.)?
Thank you for replying,
Steve D
Paul
Hi Steve, Sorry, I’ve been busy making videos the last few weeks.
I don’t recommend used – especially lower-priced used zero-turns. You are buying someone else’s problems and have no warranty or recourse if you bought a dud. You can always expect to spend $200-500 on a used one in the first year. (blades, belts, tune-up,etc.) One transmission alone can easily cost over $1000 to repair.
You didn’t say how large the back was but I would recommend taking a look at a good new lawn tractor. For example, the Cub Cadet XT1 Enduro 46 in. 22 HP V-Twin Kohler Gas Hydrostatic Front-Engine Lawn Tractor at Home Depot gives you a three-year warranty, has one of the best mowing decks and will last you many years.
You don’t need a bagger right away. You can always mulch most of the time and if you get lots of leaves in the fall buy the bagger then.
Steve D
Paul,
Thank you for replying. The back yard is approximately .24- 29 acre. I so share your concern about buying a used zero turn or lawn tractor, particularly a used zero turn. If I did buy a used lawn tractor it would be a year old and from someone I know who just feels they have to have a zero turn.
Again, thank you!
Steve
Bruce Walter
Hi Paul,
I’m interested in a ZTR for my 1 acre lot. My grass if very think and if I have to go a week between mowing I need a mower that will spread the clippings out and not leave big clumps. My local dealer carries Gravely and Simplicity mowers. For around $3000.00 would I be better served with the Gravely ZTX-52 or the Simplicity Courier 48″ or 52″. Do you have a recommendation on which would serve me better?
Paul
Hi Bruce, The Gravely will do a much better job for you than the Simplicity Courier. You may also want to consider the Gravely ZTXL model. It has a deeper deck and will throw the grass a lot better for you.
Bruce Walter
Hi Paul,
I didn’t end up buying a lawnmower last year and have put it off till this year. I am ready to get a new zero turn mower, but I’ve done way more reading and the list of mowers that I’m thinking about keeps growing. Do you have any recommendations between the Gravely ZTXL, Kubota Z100, Scag Liberty Z, or the Toro Time cutter HD with My ride. I have dealers for all in my area and they are all priced in the same $4500 range. Any thoughts to narrow it down would be appreciated.
Paul
Hi Bruce, The Kubota is over-priced. The Scag Liberty Z is a very short mower with small tires. It’s great for homeowners with small, complicated lawns but if you have wide-open areas, rough ground, or soft sandy turf you probably won’t like it.
I really like the Gravely ZT XL. It’s built well. It cuts great and is one of the few mowers that cuts tall grass well (roadsides and waterways that you only mow once a month)
The Toro Timecutter HD is now the Titan for 2020. The Toro Titan MyRide Model # 75311 is one of the best mowers on the market this year. If the Titan’s price is too high look at the Toro TimeMaster Model 75759
Mark
Hi Paul – appreciate the article. I have about 1 1/2 acres to mow and speed matters to me since I work a lot of hours. I have used a Simplicity Champion 44″, 20 HP for the past 11 years. I am interested in mowing faster and getting better striping, so I have been looking for a bigger machine. I found a Simplicity Cobalt 61, 2017 model with 475 hours on it for only $4600. Seems really reasonable, but wondering how many hours I can expect before major expenses. I think the Cobalt is the closest thing to a commercial mower Simplicity makes and it retails for $10k-$12k.
Paul
Hi Mark, If the previous owner took care of it, the Briggs Vanguard engine and ZT-4400 transmissions will easily last 2000 hours before you have to work on them. Just make sure you get a copy of the owners manual and follow the oil change and air filter change recommendations.
You’ll be able to mow your 1 1/2 acre lawn is less than 30 minutes so if you mow about 25 times a year that’s about 15 hours a year use. The mower should last you 100 years before the engine/trannys need work.
Chris
Hi Paul, thanks for the article. I have 1 acre of mostly sloped lawn (about 10 degree slope). A family member works for a tractor and implement dealer that also sells Hustler brand ztr. So, I feel inclined to give them business but I am having issues and wondering what I’m missing. I’ve demo’d three units so far. 1 – Hustler Raptor Limited, 52″ deck, basic “EZ” hydros, medium width tire, side discharge. This one worked well, but I felt the hydros were a little underpowered and I’m making right turns facing downhill at the bottom of the hill, it would slide into the dirt landing at the bottom and require work to get out of the dirt. So we moved to #2: Raptor Limited SD, 42″ deck, better hydros (2800’s), standard tires which I didn’t realize at the time I took it, and mulch mit instead of side discharge. It didn’t hold a line running perpendicular and when facing downhill would not turn right or left (wheels spinning in place) and basically stranded me. Dealer said they made a mistake suggesting that one and that I should have taken the 52″ deck SD with extra wide tires, wider deck, wider stance. So, that’s what’s I did with #3: I took that one which also had a mulch kit on it and ran it over the property. I got the job done in less than an hour but the hydros worked overtime to take me out of skids and turning at the bottom of the hill. I feel like it had more power but less control than #1, and was loads better than #2. My thoughts: maybe the mulch kit is causing some of the traction issues (loose grass was all over the back tires and maybe causing “slippage” and tire spin at the bottom of hills and going sideways on hill) and I need to go side discharge only, on #3? Also, maybe I’m expecting too much out of a machine in this slope and will burn up the transmissions? Do you have thoughts or recommendations? I feel like a traditional rider isn’t suiatable for my slope. Thanks in advance. Till now, I’ve been mowing with a push mower 5 hours every weekend.
Paul
Hi Chris, Thanks for the long explanation. It really helps me help you.
1. It appears your slope is more than 10 degrees. Especially, if you feel a lawn tractor is unsuitable. Mulching is not your problem – too steep of slope and too light of ZTR is.
2. Residential ZTR’s are NOT designed to mow slopes. Everything you have encountered so far is “normal.” The transmissions are not heavy enough to last, the transmissions are not strong enough to hold the mower on the slope and the mower is not heavy enough to stay on the slope. (By the way, if you are having issues with the ZTR sliding on turns – start mowing the slope at the bottom and the TURN UP THE HILL when you make your turns. That will keep the mower from trying to slide down the hill and if the hill is too steep the uphill tires will just spin)
3. If you want a ZTR you have three options:
a. Move up to a heavier commercial machine. The Hustler Fastrak 54/60 or X-One 52 are good choices if you want to stick with Hustler.
b. Buy a steering wheel ZTR. Steering wheel ZTR’s use the front wheels to hold you on the slope and don’t skid at the bottom of the hill when making a turn. The only one I recommend is the Cub Cadet Z-FORCE® S/SX SERIES. If you have a Cub Cadet dealer in your area check it out.
c. Stand On ZTR. Stand Ons are the choice for commercial operators. They handle hills exceptionally well because you stand in just the right place so you can use your weight to aid in turning and traction. Plus, if you get in trouble you just step off the mower. Hustler has a commercial model but my choice for homeowners is the Bradley ZTR Mower. A 48 inch Stand On will out-mow a 52-60 inch ZTR on slopes.
Chris
Thanks Paul, that’s helpful. Now I’m wondering what you think about tow-behind finish mowers. Behind an ATV, for example. As my property is on a hill, perhaps I could get some versatility out of an ATV that I wouldn’t have with a ZTR, etc…?
Paul
Hi Chris, Yes, tow-behinds are a good alternative. The best one on the market is the Acrease Finish mower. I’ved owned different pull-behinds over the years and the Arcease is by far the best. I’ll show you a picture of my setup. I could mow up to 8 mph and 15 acres an hour with two of them attached to a ZTR.
Check them out here: Acrease Mowers
Mike
18 months ago I replaced my 19-year-old John Deere LX176 with a new Toro 48″ MyRide Time Cutter ZT for my 1 acre property and I absolutely HATE my new Toro. With nearly 40 hours of run time I still can not trim around any obstacle without tearing up turf nor can I cut as close to the obstacle as I could with my JD resulting in more time spent with the string trimmer. Furthermore any 90 or 180 degree turn results in massive divots in my yard as I have found no way to keep the inside tire turning. This has been one of the worst purchases of my life. The local retailer has been little to no help in resolving these issues ….. any suggestions would be appreciated.
Paul
Hi Mike, Using a ZTR takes practice and it’s a lot more than just “push the levers forward and drive it like a shopping cart” But, it’s not hard when you use the method I’ll show you here. The method I’ll show you won’t tear up the turf like the “forward” turn way you are now using.
You will learn two methods. Both will seem weird at first but they will help
First Method. 180 reverse turn.
1. Mow in a straight line and when you come up to the end of the row stop.
2. Pull both levers back a little ways until you are moving backwards.
3. Leave the right lever exactly where it’s at – don’t move it.
4. Then pull back on the left lever all the way. Spin around until you are 180 degrees from your starting position.
5. Release the levers and stop. Look down – you didn’t tear up the turf!
6. Push forward on the levers and mow the next row.
7. When you get to the other end repeat this method.
Do this the same way 20-30 times. Then try pulling back on both levers – then pulling the right lever all the way.
Practice this at least 30 times in each direction. You can also use this for 90 degree turns – just reverse turn 90 degrees instead of 180.
Part two. 180-degree fluid turn.
Now once you’ve gotten this method perfected the next step is.
1. Follow steps 1-4 above.
2. Instead of releasing the levers in step 5 and stopping now just push both other forward. In other words, you will make the reverse turn and then fluidly push the levers forward to move right into going forward.
Now once you are used to the reverse turn there is one more step to learn to make a perfect 180 turn without tearing up the turf. It called the 3-point turn.
Let’s assume you are mowing in a straight line and the unmowed lawn is on your left.
1. When you come up to the end of the row turn left until you are over the area you next want to mow.
2. Do the reverse turn and then stop
3. You will notice you are directly inline to mow the next row. (Practice how far of a turn you have to make until you end up in line with the next row)
4. Push the levers forward.
5. No turf destruction!
With practice, you can make this all one fluid motion and also use it on 90-degree turns.
Here is a picture of the 3-point turn
Larry Gilbert
Hi Paul, I bought my first zero turn riding mower last week. It is a John Deere 42″ Z335E. I have practiced riding it for about 8 hours. It mows and handles great on my fairly flat 1/2 acre lot. My only problem so far, is that part of my yard is enclosed with a chain link fence. And try as I may, the bolts that hold the wheels onto the mowing deck. Keep getting hung up in the fence, when I try to trim as close to the fence as possible. I never had this problem with my old riding lawn tractor. But to me the handle bars on the new mower, do not keep the mower going in a straight line like the old mower did.Is there anything I can buy that would either cover the ends of the bolts up. Or will allow me to mow close to the fence but let me sort of slide easily against the fence ? So far I have jerked 2 holes in my fence, and if I can’t somehow correct this problem soon. I will be sending it back to Lowe’s before the 30 day return period ends soon. Thanks for your help and I hope you can reply fairly soon, as time is getting short on the return.
Paul
Hi Larry, 42-inch decks and chain link fences are a pain in the butt! Even my $4000 Exmark will catch the anti-scalp wheel bolt if I get to close. I wish more brands would design the deck so the “nut” end of the shoulder bolt fits into the bracket. I also don’t like string trimming my 150 feet of chain link every time I mow so I’ve gone the easy way – I spray about 8 inches on each side of the fence with a total kill like RoundUp Max Control 365. Now even my wife can mow the fence without getting caught in it.
I also have over 400 feet of 8-inch glacier rock landscape border so I use the total kill on those areas also.
The simplest solution you may consider is just removing that wheel. It’s just an anti-scalp wheel to it doesn’t affect the cut height. I need it on my mower because I have a lot of rough areas, tree roots and sidewalk edges where it does help the deck ride over the obstruction but if your lawn is relatively free of those areas just take it off.
About your mower wandering.
1. I’ve noticed that the Z335E is the only Deere zero-turn that gets complaints. No one ever complains about that on the Z345M or the Z345R. My guess is the larger engine (more torque) and the premium lap bars (better control) actually make the difference. By the way, Consumer Reports just gave the Z345R the highest rating for all zero-turn mowers for cutting, bagging, discharge and all around build quality. It’s only $200 more than the Z335E. 2. I also see most of the complaints coming from Deere mowers purchased at Lowes. Why just Lowes? I think it’s because Home Depot and your local dealer have a certified John Deere mechanic set up the mower, inspect it using a checklist, and make sure it is ready to mow.
Briana
Hi Paul, I really appreciate this article, including the updates made in 2018. I have been trying to research the best mower to buy for sandy conditions. We live in south Texas, just outside of the San Antonio city limits. We recently bought a house on two acres and our sandy lot consists of native grasses and weeds typical of the dry south Texas plains region. It is covered in stickers and there are many little gopher mounds throughout. We do have some gentle sloping areas, some Live Oak trees and stumps to maneuver around, and also a steep culvert/ditch area at the front of the property. We thought we were going to go with the Toro Time Cutter, but then one of our neighbors told us not to get a zero turn mower in our sandy conditions. He uses a Cub Cadet riding mower instead. Another neighbor said that was nonsense and they use their zero turn on their 17 acres without issue, however they have a commercial grade Scag. We are former city slickers with no experience with zero turns. We were getting by with an old used Craftsman garden tractor (1997 model!) this past summer, but it finally died – I’m sure we killed it. Spring is around the corner and we need a replacement soon. What would you recommend? Thank you so much!
Paul
Hi Brianna, Lawn Tractors: Sand and the standard high-lift blades that come on a lawn tractor or residential zero-turns don’t work well. The blades suck up the sand and it quickly wears out the blades. You can reduce the wear by raising the deck up as high as it can go (around 4 inches) and using mulching blades. Because your ground is rough a 50-54 inch deck on a garden tractor is the best choice (around $3300) There is one Garden Tractor – the Cub Cadet X3 series with a heavy-duty deck that is the best choice but it’s around $5000 with a 48-54 inch deck.
Zero-Turn: Medium Grade zero-turns ($4000-$7000) have heavier duty blades so they last longer, heavier decks so it doesn’t bounce as much on the rough ground, stronger frames and transmissions so they don’t break down near as often. Zero-turns have a learning curve to drive one well but with a little practice, you’ll be flying around the field. A zero-turn in this price range will mow twice as fast as a lawn tractor and last years.
I suggest researching local dealers to see what brands they sell. Then come back here and ask questions about the right one for you. I’ll help you narrow down the selection.
Mike
Hi Paul, Whats your opinion on the John Deere X354 four wheel steer tractor vs a zero turn mower?
Paul
Hi Mike, A name brand zero-turn in the same price range ($5000) mows a lot faster. You can pull all kins of stuff with the X354. You can only pull a yard cart with a zero-turn. The X354 will also bag better and the bagger is less expensive than a zero-turn’s bagging system. Both have a learning curve if you have never driven one. With the zero-turn, you need to learn the steering levers and with the X354 you need to learn the 4-wheel steer.
Wayne Nehring
My main complaint about zero turn mowers is excessive dust. I would like to run my mower at slightly above half throttle, but I have been informed by the dealer that I must keep the engine at full throttle to get enough pump pressure to operate the transmissions and for cooling. I have a Cub Cadet Tank with a 60 inch deck and steering wheel. My grass is pretty thin and consists of whatever mother nature put there. Will operating it at less than full throttle cause damage?
Paul
Hi Wayne, What you dealer said is interesting. It’s not wrong. When mowing slopes and other areas where the transmissions are pulling a heavy load the higher rpm does help the oil circulate more. One question. Does that ZTR have an oil cooler over the air intake of the engine? If it does then the higher engine rpm helps to get more air through the oil cooler. If it doesn’t then the aluminum cooling fins on the transmissions themselves do all the cooling and extra oil flow by higher engine RPMs doesn’t help at all. That said,
One thing the dealer didn’t mention is when you increase the RPMs the standard blades generate more lift and the mower cuts your thin grass better – and it generates more dust. You can switch to mulching blades. They don’t have as much lift so you can increase the RPMs without generating so much dust.
Wayne Nehring
There are 2 round oil tube coolers with a fan on each. They are located in front of the engine and the fans are driven by electric motors. Of course, there is also the fan on the flywheel that forces air inside the engine cover, which would not be turning as fast at lower rpm.
It seems to me that lower engine rpm would create less heat due to lower fuel consumption, provided that the engine is not being overload by cutting tall or thick grass. Lower heat shouldn’t require full air flow. In tall or thick grass I would certainly think that full throttle would be necessary. And also if a strain is being put upon the engine or transmissions.
I’m just asking because it doesn’t make sense to me that full throttle is necessary for light duty mowing. The excessive dust also eats the mower blades.
I have experimented with lower rpm briefly and all the grass is being cut unless it’s thick or too tall. The engine doesn’t seem to be straining at all.
Paul
Hi Wayne, Since the oil coolers have their own separate fans then engine RPM does not make a difference for cooling the trannys. All the other points you make are valid.
Brandon
Paul, this article was great. I currently have about 1 acre of land and a well-used craftsman lawn tractor 42″. The land is mostly flat save for a small hill which i use a push mower for. The front lawn has many trees while the rear only has a couple. The lawn tractor I am currently using is on its last legs and it is a pain to shift while mowing and the steering is horrendous. So long story short it needs to be replaced.
I was looking at the JD Z335e mower as its replacement. The ZTR mowers seem flat out more fun to mow with and if there are any time savings that’s great and just a bonus. Do you have anything bad to say about this ZTR? I have complete faith that I will be able to minimize the yard chewing that the ZTR might give me.
Also, would there be an issue mowing the drainage ditch in front of my house near the road with a ZTR? Its not deep, just slopes in like a “V”.
Paul
Hi Brandon, For your size law the JD Z355e is a great choice. It’s a well built, lightweight mower that will be easy to learn to use.
About your ditch, the only thing I can really say is “try it.” If you mow the ditch with the zero-turn it won’t tip over running along the slope. (It may tip over backward if you try to mow up the slope) The only problems you may have is the ZTR sliding down the slope when it’s wet or the deck getting stuck in the bottom of the ditch if it’s muddy.
Yes, they are a lot of fun.
Brandon
Are the baggers okay to use with these mowers? I mean they sell them but that does t necessarily mean it’s a good idea to use it.
Paul
Hi Brandon, 1. Baggers screw up the balance and most need front weights added to the ZTR otherwise the front will bounce off the ground when the bagger is loaded with green grass. NEVER, NEVER try to go up a slope with a bagger full of grass.
2. Residential baggers really only work well on dry grass and leaves. The tube from the deck to the bagger is too long for it to work well on green grass and it won’t work at all on wet, green grass.
3. Mid-priced and better ZTRs use a belt driven blower mounted on the deck. They work well. The baggers also come with the appropriate weight kits for the front of the machine. These baggers are expensive – starting around $1800 and can cost as much as $4000 though.
Paul
Hi Jim, A locking differential gives a lot more traction for going up hills, plowing snow, using a snow blower and pulling scrapers, tillers and drags. Basically, when you step on a lever on the floorboard it locks both rear wheels together so you get maximum traction. It’s similar to positraction in your car or pickup.
Ground engaging is attachments you use to till the soil and level you gravel driveway like moldboard plows, disks, drags and scrapers.
The 27048 does have the large tires and heavy frame like your old tractor. In addition, it also has a heavy-duty transmission that usually will last the life of the garden tractor.
Jim Saake
Hi Paul: Another question… on the pro series 50 inch model number 27048 there is a locking differential. The unit also states it has or can have a ground engaging attachment. The machine also costs $1000 more. Could you tell me The value in having a locking differential? Could you also explain what they might mean with an attachment that’s ground engaging? Model 27042 is my first choice, however I would like to hear what you have to say about both machines. Thank you again Paul, your experience is well received.
Regards,
Jim S.
Jim
Hi Paul: Your advice is well received. Thank you for your response regarding my inquiry about going with the craftsman yard machine. I am preparing to purchase the tractor. I went to Sears and the sales person recommended purchasing the extended warranty. This is in the tune of several hundred dollars depending on if you select the three or five year term. I typically don’t buy these but it may be wise. What’s your thoughts on this?
Thank you
Jim S.
Paul
Hi Jim, The Sears Protection Plan fixes any defects and other problems with your mower like battery, belts, and tires. It does not include normal maintenance items like oil, filters, and mower blades. The price includes the labor and trip charges.
Is it worth it? That’s really up to you but Craftsman lawn tractors are dependable and any defects are included for 2 years, plus longer for the frame and front axle. If you do the normal maintenance they will last.
Jim
Hi Paul: Thanks for the article! I was considering a ZTM before I read you article. Now I’m going in the yard tractor direction on your advice. Just went to Sears to see the Pro line. My question is that part of my back yard has a slope ~ 30 deg. Then flattens out level. I know not to walk down it when wet. I mow it now with an electric self propelled walk behind. (EGO). I think it will be ok if I do not attemp to mow when wet and go perpendicular to the slope. What’s your thoughts on this?
Thank you for your insights.
Paul
Hi Jim, Basically if you can’t back up the slope it is too steep to safely mow up it. That said, I used to mow steep walkout basements and berms by mowing DOWN them only. As long as there was not a drop-off or pond at the bottom we could safely mow them by mowing down and then drive the mower up a shallower section of the hill back to the top. Then repeating until the slope was done.
Paul
Hi Jesse, When it comes to mowing steep hills it’s really hard to find a unit that will have the traction and stability to feel safe and do a good job.
My first suggestion is to look at a Sub Compact tractor like the Mahindra, Koita, Kubota, etc. with a rear mounted brush mower. You can also do a lot more with a subcompact like grade your driveway and use a bucket loader for snow and moving dirt.
You may also want to look at and demo the Cub Cadet Pro Steering wheel ZTR. It will handle slopes and side hills better than the models you listed. https://www.cubcadet.com/equipment/cubcadet/pro/pro-z-100-s-series/features
Jesse
Hello Paul. Great article. I recently took over mowing approximately 8 acres. It is mostly open fields with just a few obstacles but a good bit is hilly western PA terrain some of which is steep. I’m torn between a commercial zero-turn like a Bob Cat XRZ or Gravely Pro Turn, or a heavy duty 60″ riding mower like a Cub Cadet XT3 or equivalent John Deere. The zero turn would be my obvious choice if it weren’t for the hills and minimal obstacles. What would you recommend? Thanks!
Max Soetermans
Paul:
I’m in the market for a new mower. I’ve used my Father-in-law’s John Deere X380 tractor and like it very much compared to the entry-level Cub Cadet I was using. I went to my local John Deere dealer to have a look and see if they were offering any specials and he also showed me a Z535R zero-turn unit. John Deere has no reviews on their web-site for these machines. Other than his word, i don’t really have much info on this model.
Based on reading your article here, it seems that the Z535R falls into the “estate” mower category and does appear to be built a little heavier than the run of the mill residential units.
I mow approximately two acres and one end of my property is on a slope with a few steep areas. I’ve been reassured by the dealer and friends with zero-turns that I can just mow downhill. The dealer even offered to loan me a demo unit. It’s a commercial unit so will mow faster than the model I would end up buying, but the demo is about comfort with zero turns and learning how to drive one.
Any advice? Thanks.
Paul
Hi Max, Yes, you can mow down the hills as long as there are no drop-offs or ponds and the bottom of the hill. Most people get injured on zero-turns when they go down a hill – and can’t turn at the bottom away from an obstruction. They slide into the pond and/or tip it over trying to stop it on the slope.
Demo-ing a commercial unit is fine for learning to use a ZTR but it won’t tell you if the Z535R will handle the slope well. The Z535R is lighter so it won’t have as much traction as the commercial unit. It does have larger rear tires so it better than many other estate ZTR’s. (That’s also an advantage because it won’t make ruts in your yard like a heavier commercial unit can)
All that said, I do like the Z535R and it is a good mower. It cuts great and has a good reputation for dependability. So, the only decision for you is: Can you and the mower get along mowing those slopes.
Derek
Paul,
I just bought a house with 3 acres of wide open yard and am looking to purchase my first zero turn. The property is mostly flat or gentle slope with maybe a dozen trees. I was hoping you could help guide me in the right direction as I don’t want to spend more then necessary but also am a believer in buy once cry once.
The most inexpensive mower mower I looked at was the Cub Cadet Z-Force 54″ L/LX (about $3,900) but the sales rep recommended the Exmark Radius E Series 54″ for around $1,200 more. He claimed it mowed at a faster speed, more reliable (1,000+ hr expectancy), less parts in the deck to break, and a better warranty. The other mower I looked at in another store was a Bad Boy MZ Magnum 54″, about $4,000. I like that this brand is made in the USA and the idea of a fabricated deck but I’ve some reviewers saying the ride is on the rougher side.
Do you recommend another over these? The most important qualities to me are a mowing time and machine reliability/longevity, the next being comfort. Speaking of comfort here was also a Radious S Series for $1,200 more then the “E”, are the S upgrades worth it if Exmark is the way to go?
Paul
Hi Derek, You get what you pay for with zero-turn mowers. But the first question is what do you need? Based on what you said, The Radius S will give you the best ride and mows at up to 9 mph. With the 52 inch deck, it will mow your property in less than an hour. The Radius E will take an hour. The Cub Cadet an hour and 5 minutes and the Bad Boy about an hour 20 minutes.
The Radius S has the rider suspension platform so the ride is as smooth as your car. The other three don’t have suspension seats so they are a lot rougher ride – but the Radius E has the larger tires so it will ride better than the Cub Cadet. The Bad Boy is the roughest by far.
The Radius S has commercial grade transmissions. The Radius E and Cub Cadet has heavy-duty transmissions that will last. The Bad Boy has cheap residential trannys.
Quality of cut: Radius S will cut well even at 8-9 mph. The Radius E at 7-8. The Cub Cadet at 6-7 and the Bad Boy is dead last at 5-6 mph.
So, the Radius S is worth every penny if you want to spend that much. It will give you the best ride, mows great, mows the fastest and with proper maintenance will be the last mower you need to buy. The Radius E is a close second but does not have the suspension platform so it’s ride is rougher than the Radius S.
The Cub Cadet Z-Force L is a good mower on paper but it doesn’t have the durability and quality of the ExMarks. In fact, if you only have $3900 to spend have the ExMark dealer show you the ExMark Quest 50 inch. The Quest cuts better than the Z-Force and will last just as long as the Z-Force on your yard.
The Bad Boy MZ does not compare to the others mentioned. But if you have to have orange paint look at the Bad Boy ZT Elite ($4700) It compares to the Radius E.
Bernadette Puissant
Hi! I’ve really enjoyed reading your articles, but I’m still stumped on which mower to get! We have about 3.5 acres some obstacles and a few small inclines. We want a bagger system as well. What would you recommend? We were looking at the Bad boy brand and I was wondering what you’ve heard about them. The main reason is we have two locations near us who sell them and recommend them highly, but I haven’t been able to find much on them.
Also with that much property, trees and kids I won’t have time to pick up every stick, so would you recommend soemthing else because of that too? Thank you for your help!
Paul
Hi Bernadette, The reason you don’t hear much about Bad Boy and about 40 other brands is they are dealer-only products. No one rates all these mowers online. Bad Boy is a relatively new company but has a good line of mowers.
For 3.5 acres please stay away from the lower priced MZ and MZ magnum series. The ZT Elite (around $4700) is a much better choice for durability, mowing quality and long life.
Here is a Bad Mower for your size property: Bad Boy ZT Elite
Matt w
Looking at a Gravely ZTR X 42. I have a 47” gate to get through. I like it because of the fabricated deck, and the added power of the 24 hp Kohler engine. I can get one on sale right now for $2900. Is there a better option for me at that price? Do you have a better suggestion at that price point. I only have half acre to mow, but I’m just getting sick of pushing it. I’ve never owned a zero turn, but I do have a lot of trees and a swingset, and a fire pit. I thought a zero turn might be easier to maneuver than a rider. I had a 30 inch rear rider that didn’t last long, poor quality.
Paul
Hi Matt, The Gravely is a good choice. You’ll have to lift the discharge chute to go through the gate. It’s rubber so you won’t hurt it when it catches a little. You’ll be happy with it!
Duane Pelerine
Thank you! This is a great article Paul, After owning ZTRs Big and small for a couple of years, I can relate to your content. I wish someone would have laid it all out for me a few years back. You’re a very good writer.
Paul
Hi JakeD, I never recommend buying used unless you are an experienced mechanic, you want an antique or you are getting the deal of the decade. I don’t know about your experience but there are now “classics” or deals in the bunch you list.
If you have someone repair used stuff for you – the repairs can easily add up to $1000 or more.
I’ll go through the list;
2013 Cub LTX 1050 KW (320 hrs / $1,000): Not Cub Cadet’s best tractor. Has a history of deck issues and doesn’t cut as well as the new ones.
2018 Husq GT52XLSi (new / $2,900): I like the tractor but the too many owners complain about the cut quality.
2017 JD X350 (70 hrs / $2,900): Good mower but you can get a brand new one with a 4-year warranty for a few hundred more.
2015 JD X360 (260 hrs / $3,350): That’s a lot of hours for a 2-year-old machine – I wonder if someone tried t use it commercially. It’s not made for commercial use.
2016 Cub Cabet SX54 (50 hrs / $3,600): Of your list, this is the model I’d recommend.But not this particular mower because you can get a brand new one with a 3-year warranty for $99 more…..This is a good choice because it drives like your car, has a good cutting deck, has a great reputation and will handle your walkout basement better than any of the lawn tractors.
The steering wheel ZTR’s are unique because they turn like a zero-turn, but since both rear wheels drive all the time they have great traction. That in combination with the front steering and they won’t lose traction on a hill like a lawn tractor can and are much safer on slopes than a zero turn.
Buy new at the Home Depot: Cub Cadet RZT-SX 54 in. Fabricated Deck 21.5 HP Kawasaki Engine Gas Dual-Hydrostatic Zero Turn Lawn Mower
JakeD
Thanks again Paul. Here is another option, 2013 Cub Cadet RZTS 42″ for $1,150. Thoughts? Do you think a 42″ deck will be enough to cut 1.8 acres of open grass, (very few things to mow around.
I understand that buying used might bite me, but I have a farming background and am used to working on machinery.
Paul
Hi JakeD, Take a close look at the ZTR from the front or the rear. The mower is wider than the deck. This forces you to mow in only one direction. If you mow back and forth the way a ZTR really saves you the time you will knocking down uncut grass with each pass. Will that work for you?
JakeD
Hello Paul. Thanks for the great write-up. We are moving outside of the town and for the first time I will have more than 0.3 acres to mow. So, I am gonna need to upgrade from my walk behind.
New house sits on 2 acres. House is a walkout so front yard is generally flat both sides and back are daily slope. Generally just an open grass lot, not too much to mow around.
I would like to buy something that is user friendly so my wife and kids can learn to mow.
Perusing the local used selection, I see the following options:
2016 Cub Cabet SX54 (50 hrs / $3,600)
2015 JD X360 (260 hrs / $3,350)
2017 JD X350 (70 hrs / $2,900)
2018 Husq GT52XLSi (new / $2,900)
2013 Cub LTX 1050 KW (320 hrs / $1,000)
Thoughts?
farmgirl
Thanks so much for the information!
I currently am cutting grass every 5 days, but will move to once a week in the next month or two. I cut from early April through November and always bag the clippings due to dogs and foot traffic in my house. I am not really interested in the attachments that come with the mowers with the exception of the bagger (and an automated one would be ideal!).
I understand that the Toro My Ride would be the best option for comfort and price, but I think it is a deal breaker that it’s wider than 48″ with the bagger on and my grass is thick, so my husband does not feel that the mulching attachment would keep enough of the clippings off of the yard for my liking. This leaves the Walker and the 8000, sounds as if the only reason not to get the Walker is due to price? If the 8000 is more difficult to work on and maintain, that does drop it down a notch. We will be buying new and from a dealer. Any last words of wisdom?
Paul
Hi Farmgirl, Thank you for the summary. You can’t go wrong with the Walker. I suggest a Model C 19 or Model C 19i.
Use their Dealer Locator to find a dealer near you Dealer Locator
farmgirl
Hi Paul, I would like to know if you have any opinions or info on a 48″ zero turn with a rear discharge and bagger capability. We have a farm and mow around 3 acres/week with several tight spots due to landscaping, etc. I have found a walker (which is not to be good on hills) and a Toro 8000. We are wanting 24 HP with a welded deck. Any thoughts are much appreciated!
Paul
Hi farmgirl, I’ll give you an alternative first – then discuss the Walker and Toro 8000.
Do you have to bag every week? Do you mow every week? If you don’t have to bag and you plan on mowing basically every week the best mower for you is the Toro TimeCutter HD with MyRIDE 48 in. Fab 22.5 HP V-Twin Gas Zero-Turn Riding Mower with Smart Speed. It has the best ride available right now. I gave you a link to Home Depot but I suggest buying it from a dealer and have them install a mulch kit. With the mulch kit installed so you can remove the discharge cover. With the cover off it’s the same width as the Toro 8000. This mower is built as well as the Toro 8000 and will last many years. The best feature for you is it’s new and comes with a good warranty.
One more thing. I don’t recommend that you buy used unless you are mechanically inclined and know how to work on commercial mowers. If you have anything go wrong with a used machine – it’s out of your pocket and they can be VERY expensive to repair – and even worse if you have to have a dealer repair it. That said,
Both the Toro 8000 and the Walkers ride differently than a conventional zero-turn. You sit directly above the drive axle so the mower does not whip you around when it turns. Because you sit directly over the axle the bumps give you a vertical jolt instead of the neck-slamming back and forth jolt a conventional ZTR has. I like the ride better than a ZTR but it is still rougher than the Timecutter HD with MyRide I mentioned above.
I’ve owned both the Toro 8000 and Walker mowers and they are both excellent mowers. But, the Toro 8000 is a dedicated bagger and there are no other accessories or options to do anything else with it. In addition, most of the used Toro 8000’s have a lot of hours on them and they are a real pain to work on. Everything is crammed into the machine and even doing tune-ups, changing the belts or other minor tasks are very labor intensive.
Walker mowers are my all time favorite zero turns. They mow the best of anything on the market and are the most agile. They are actually very good on hills (depending on the model) because of their very low center of gravity. In fact, unless you have a full bag of green grass they will hold a hill better than almost all other lap-bar ZTRs. Like the Toro 8000 they are built very compact but are easier to work on. If I could afford one I would own one for even my little one-acre yard!
A big advantage is Walker makes many different decks and attachments that you can install. For example, if the model you bought is a dedicated bagger you can purchase an additional mulching deck and use it that way most of the year. Or if you change your landscaping and you can install a larger or smaller deck. You can even get additional decks to side discharge.
Finally, if you decide to go with the Toro 8000 or a Walker understand it drives differently than a conventional ZTR. You steer the mower with your left hand and control the speed with your right. It’s very intuitive and makes the mower very agile but if you have never driven one make sure you get a little training on how to drive it before you take it home.
Wayne W.
Hi Paul, have read many of your reviews and articles. I recently bought a Hustler Raptor 42 but am now having buyer’s remorse. The machine is fine but I found that sometimes my hands start to numb, I have tried to loosen my grip and have now lowered the bars and also hold the bars lower while it seems better it’s still somewhat uncomfortable. Another aspect of my regret is first I feel I have thrown good money out on a machine I purchased mainly due to the fabricated deck not available on lawn tractors for the most part. I feel I should have just bought a spare deck shell for my 2 year old Cub cadet XT2 for about $350 instead.
I’ve called the dealer I bought the ZTR from and was told it was not reurnable (2 weeks since purchase and 2 hours of use) but they offered to sell it on consignment for me at a considerable loss.
I’d like to point out that even though I only mow on a 1/2 acre lot I found that on my tractor I can actually relax while mowing with one hand, it’s automatic whereas on the ZTR I’m always thinking about maneuvering the bars (I’ve used the mower 4 times so far) doing turns and lining up on the next pass. i may end up mowing in laps like with a tractor and doing the 180’s at the center.
Thank you and keep up the great write-ups
Paul
Hi Wayne, The more practice you get the more confident you’ll be driving your ZTR. It takes many people more than 10 hours to get used to it.
It’s actually pretty common for people’s hands to go numb on a ZTR. You are not used to holding your arms out and having the weight of your arms resting on your fingers. That’s why many come standard with armrests. Try wearing wrist braces and do some strength exercises for your wrists and fingers. You can buy medical wrist braces at your pharmacy or sports braces at the sporting goods store. They both will work for you. Squeeze a tennis ball for a few weeks.
Mark
Paul, I have 2.5 acres that has a lot of trees (and therefore a lot of sticks, pinecones, leaves, etc.) with a couple of minor slopes. I’m trying to determine whether a zero turn is right for me, and if so, whether I need a high end residential or need to step up to a commercial grade.
Paul
Hi Mark, I don’t think you need a commercial grade unless you plan on mowing over everything that falls. In other words, a 2-inch branch can bend a deck or break a spindle if you try to chop it up with the mower.
The only thing I suggest is that you get a mower with 4 ply tires. Most of the cheaper mowers are sold with 2 ply tires and you’ll have a lot of problems with punctures and flats if you don’t get the heavier tires.
In fact, even with the 4 ply I suggest putting slime in the tires right away: Slime Tubeless Tire Sealant. One quart for each rear tire to start and split a quart between the fronts.
Figure out what brands are sold in your area and then take a look at the mowers in the $4500 range.
Paul
Hi Rob, For 1.5 acres both are really over-kill. They are made to mow hours a day, every day, all year long. Both will mow over 10 mph so it will take you no more than 20 minutes to mow your yard.
I actually suggest taking a look at the John Deere Z525E 54 in. 24 HP. It’s thousands less and will last you a long time on your yard.
Rob
Paul, your responses to the comments below are the most informative on the web regarding ZTR specifically (thanks for that!). Your suggestion – Husqy Z554 or JD Z915E? Both dealers are local and price is similar. Or is there another machine that you would recommend for maybe a lower price? Will be mowing 1.5 acres, all flat with a few trees. Residential so every other week.
Paul
Hi Tim, That statement is taken out of context. All zero-turns under $4000 ride rough. A lot rougher than your lawn tractor. In fact, most ZTRs ride so rough that women need to wear a sports bra. What you read was in reference to someone complaining about how rough riding their ZTR is. The respondent suggested letting some air out of the tires to see if will ride a little smoother.
Right now there is one that does ride better than your lawn tractor and better than most of the other ZTR’s. It’s the Toro 50″ MyRIDE® TimeCutter® MX5075 (74768 / 74778) (Home Depot Link)
Tim
Hi Paul, I have a neck injury and my small JD lawn tractor rides rough enough to hurt me. I have read that zero turns ride better if you lower the tire pressure. Can you provide some guidance?
andy
Hi Paul, Great article thank you. I’m a mowing contractor with clients who have varied requirements in terms of quality and quantity and as such I have a few different mowers etc. I’m looking at a ztr and am interested in the Dixons from what you have said/implied. Is the following scenario realistic at all given they are close in price: A brand new JD ZTrak Z335 42 vs a 2008 Dixon Ram 44 wth 1900 hrs, 25hp B&S twin. I know the JD is a residential machine but it may only get used for 5 – 8 hrs per week on better quality properties. The links are:
https://www.deere.co.nz/en/mowers/residential-zero-turn-mowers/z335m-residential-ztrak-mower/
https://capitaltractors.co.nz/tractors-and-machinery/used-machinery/ride-mowers/dixon-zero-turn-mower/
So they are both around $5kNZ (USD3.5) once I add freight to the Dixon. Interested in your thoughts. We have most of the US brands here in NZ. cheers, Andy
Paul
Hi Andy, the choice is easy. Dixon is no longer being made. The name is owned by Husqvarna but most Husqvarna dealers don’t stock parts for it. As a contractor, I’m sure you want something you can get parts for.
Mick
Hi Paul. Great article. I have recetly purchase a large acreagehorse stud. I have access to a tractor and rotary cutter for the most difficult pastures. Around the home there is about 4- 5 acres of lawn that has some steep swails and hills (mostly gentle flats however) looking at a cub with 4w steer. What is the deal with wheel motors as opposed to standard hydros. Can these zero turn riders be used to tow more like a leaf vac? Cant cut the area around the house with the tractor as it is quite sandy and the tractor ag tyres with leave impressions and the leader of the opposition party wont have that!
Paul
Hi Mick, I don’t know the specific model you are looking at but pump and wheel motor systems are still used on the heavy-duty commercial units. The wheel motors are usually cast iron so they can handle the extreme loads of all-day-every-day use and don’t overheat when mowing side-hills. I’m going to assume Cub Cadet is using Parker pump-wheel units and they are the best. The all-in-one aluminum hydros are used on residential equipment though some manufacturers are now making cast iron commercial all-in-one units.
I do recommend a 60-inch deck. That size deck cuts well and the extra width of the unit gives you better stability on hills.
Leaf Vacs have really gone out of favor. Current lawn tractors just are not heavy enough to handle them. They are long, cumbersome and will tip over on slopes. Plus you have that extra engine to deal with. Unless you already have one that you want to use I strongly suggest going with a mulch kit or a power assist bagger. Three things.
1. If you are picking up green clippings I suggest installing a mulch kit instead and raising your deck up to 4 inches. On sand that will really help your lawn. You will see a noticeable improvement in your lawn after a year or so.
2. If you need debris and leaf removal go with the power bagger system. It goes on and off easily when you don’t need it and it doesn’t mess with the hydros.
3. If you do have a yard vac I strongly suggest only filling it up half-way with green clippings. The will keep the weight down. A yard vac full of grass can weigh over 1000 lbs.
I really understand the tractor tire issue. Growing up on the farm I once drove over a city lawn to drop off a date at the “front door.” I didn’t know any better at the time but her Dad still brought that up 20 years later! 🙂
Justin Peterson
Not sure if this thread is still active but I started a little lawn service and recently bid some big commercial contracts at where I thought I could be competitive and low and behold I was just awarded my first big contract worth 54,000 a year for the next 2 years. I know I need bigger equipment for the job. I see a ton of guys hate on residential ZTR’s… I know I want a ZTR. This contract will eventually take my business to the next level and at some point I’ll be buying 20,000 mowers that will run 10 hours a day every day. In the meantime I have 5,000 to spend on a ZTR with at least a 48 inch preferably 54 or 60 inch deck. It’s a huge lawn and speed it a factor as I want to do the 7 acres in 4 hours if possible…there is a ton of trimming and other planting, etc to be done on this job weekly. So heres the real question… Residential ZTRs or low end commercial…. whats the best bang for the buck in the 4-6k range. Im not looking for a mower thats going to last my business 5 years… Im looking for the best bang for my buck hopefully 18 to 24 months running 5 days a week 2 to 4 hours a day. Please let me know what you think. I’m leaning towards the Hustler Fastrack but at 6,000 its really the absolute top of my budget and i even need to negotiate a bit with the dealer. I need to buy before the contract starts on Jan 1.
Paul
Hi Justin, ExMark, Toro and Gravely also have ZTR’s in that $5000 price range that cut /stripe well. If the lawn is fairly smooth a60 inch deck is the best option. Take a hard look at the Exmark Radius first, then you can compare the other brands to see if they offer the same quality for the same price. ExMark Radius
Tony Moseley
Paul,
I just purchased a home with 7.5 acres, all flat, nice lawn. I will be mowing weekly. Want the best ZTR for the job without breaking the bank. There are so many choices, I would like to keep the price around $5k. Can you help?
Many thanks for your time Paul.
Paul
Hi Tony, where do you live? What dealers do you have in a 20 miles radius around you. There is no need for me to suggest a mower you have to drive 50 miles or more to get parts and service.
ray
I would love your advise. I just bought a house on 6 acres of lawn. I am torn between a compact tractor like the BX series in Kubota vs a zero turn. I dont want to spend all weekend cutting it… it is mostly flat. what do you think?
Paul
HI Ray, What do you really want to do? Just mow your lawn as quickly as possible or do you need a power unit to do more than that? A tractor can mow the lawn, haul hay and feed for the livestock, clean up after the livestock, clear snow, level a gravel driveway, set fence posts, carry chainsaws and other equipment for brush clearing, move dirt, level dirt, move firewood, haul rocks for landscape beds and yard ornaments. And so on.
A tractor with a 60-inch deck will mow about 2.5 acres an hour at 5 MPH. If you don’t want a perfect cut you can speed up and mow at 7 mph and mow 3.5 acres an hour.
If you want to cut fast and well a $6-8000 ZTR with a 60-inch deck will cut about 4 acres an hour at 8 MPH.
If the lawn is rough the tractor will give you slower but much better ride.
Kubota is the name you are familiar with but Mahindra is the tractor you’ll probably buy. It’s almost impossible to beat for features, price, and reliability.
Mike Zimmerman
I recently replaced my 19-year-old John Deere LX176 with a new Toro 48″ MyRide Time Cutter ZT for my 1 acre property and I absolutely HATE my new Toro. With nearly 10 hours of run time I still can not trim around any obstacle without tearing up turf nor can I cut as close to the obstacle as I could with my JD resulting in more time spent with the string trimmer. Furthermore any 90 or 180 degree turn results in massive divots in my yard as I have found no way to keep the inside tire turning. This has been one of the worst purchases of my life. The local retailer has been little to no help in resolving these issues ….. any suggestions would be appreciated.
Paul
Hi Mike, it takes practice and asking for help from someone local to watch you and help you with the details. Go slow. Use your armrests to brace your arms so you can take small, smooth movements. Move your hands down to the angled area if you need to to keep your arms on the armrests.
Learn to mow at 3-4 mph, about the speed or your old tractor first, then you can speed up as you learn. I wish your machine had the three-speed switch like the HD series – I’d tell you to put in low and leave it there until you get used to the machine.
If you don’t know anyone who also owns a ZTR ask one of the local mowing contractors – the guys with three or fours ZTRS on a trailer behind the truck. You’ll be surprised how willing they are to help.
Here is a video that may help. Youtube has a lot of videos like this one.
Mike Zimmerman
Thanks for the reply … I had already watched that very video earlier today. Also my unit is the HD series it is the 75211 model…… I have tried both the low speed and high speed with no success …. lots of divots and lots of burning of the turf.
Paul
@Mike, leave it in low. Please follow my suggestions and get someone who knows how to use a ZTR t watch you and help you out. It really does take practice.
Chris Shoffner
Hi Paul, Thank you for writing this article. I wish I had read it before I bought my z-turn. I have perhaps done a few things wrong, and would appreciate your comment. I have a 2016 52″ Gravely ZT HD with the 23.5 HP Kawasaki FR691V engine and the Hydro-Gear 3100 transmission. I did not know you shouldn’t use them to pull much of anything. I put the correct hitch on my machine, and used it many times to pull this little 42″ Brinly dethatcher. That $79.00 dethatcher did a great job on wire grass in my pasture. This was not extremely tall grass, but some of it was probably 8″. I move very slowly while dethatching, and clear the tines as needed. Twice I also used a small dump cart to haul 7-8 large rocks at a time. It may have been 200 lb; I don’t know. I don’t have any more need to do those activities. Do you think I could have damaged my transmission, and be unaware of it. Also, my mower now has 90 hours on it. It was supposed to have the Hydro serviced at 80 hours. I have to mow several acres every 4 days, and basically must mow a good 6-7 acres a week. My dealer has not had time to pick up my mower, and other dealers won’t service a mower that was not purchased from them. Any suggestions about how many more hours I can put on that Hydro before it is a problem?I am not like this. I have seen YouTube videos on servicing the Hydro, and am willing to buy the filters and oil, and do it myself. But I don’t want to mess up my warranty.
Paul
Hi Chris, I doubt you have done any damage to your Tranny’s. It’s the cheaper, ZT2200 that you have be careful about. Just keep your loads under 500 lbs and you’ll be fine. You may also use that dethatcher with weights and not worry.
The “recommended” first time service is 50-80 hours but you would be surprised how many owners never change the oil in the better trannys like the 3100 and they last thousands of hours. In particular if Gravely is using synthetic oil I’d suggest that waiting until the end of the season is not a problem at all.
Christine Shoffner
I am so very grateful for your time and effort and replying to my question. I did not even use a weight on my little dethatcher, and I doubt that I ever exceeded 200 lbs towing other than the weight of the small dump cart. As I recall, the Gravely operator manual specifies synthetic oil for the tranny. Whether my dealer used synthetic or not is something I will find out Monday. Again; thank you so much! You relieved some of the pressure on me.
Chris S
Paul
Thank you so much for writing this very informative article. As comprehensive as the article is I am now undecided on what I should purchase and would like your advise and product/make/model suggestions. I currently own a 1996 38″ cut murray tractor with a 12.5 hp briggs and stratton engine. My property is about 60 ft wide x 340 ft long that is relatively flat with one mound where a tree was removed(20ft diameter) and the grass is mixed sometimes kicking up dust. I have 8 trees, 1 snowball bush, a neighbors metal fence, a driveway of about 10 x 120 and two 12 x 20 sheds(no house). Property is in Md on a creek. So now that you have an idea of the obstacles and lay of the property what mower would you recommend? I rather not spend a lot but realize you get what you pay for and would much rather spend more on a well built good residential (if they even make one) or semi pro/ commercial. I was thinking of something that has a 33-36″ cut that is either a tractor, ZTR or rear engine –something that is a rider but I am eager to hear your suggestion. Thanks in advance, Chris
Paul
Hi Chris, Unfortunately, no one makes a 33-36 inch riding mower at this time. Only Ryobi has the 38 inch electric but that’s $2600. So please go to this article and you will find a good selection of riders to pick from: Seven Best Riding Mowers Under $1500 for 2017
Dean Ousterhout
Hello Paul,
Thanks for the excellent writeup. WE are buying 7.5 acres that has mostly been used as pasture. About 20% is under trees with no grass. It has a 25% grade and in a couple swales it is steeper.
My wife wants to have some “wild meadow” areas with natural area plants that will probably get to several feet high.
The rest will probably never get above the 6-12 inch height you mention.
I have been looking at a Kubota ZD326 60″ diesel ZTR, used, and wondered your thoughts on how that might do?
Paul
Hi Dean, I’m not familiar with the higher priced Kubota’s. But I did run a search and there are a lot of the Kubota ZD326 for sale. You didn’t say the year but they range from $4500 to $12,500. Most of them have very low hours so I’m wondering if there is something about the machine people don’t like or if most of these are just leased machines.
Be very careful buying used. I strongly suggest staying away from anything with more than 1500 hours unless you are able to repair it yourself. One transmission on these can easily cost over $2500 and the engine over $4000. In addition many used mowers need belts, blades, bearing and so on so you can end up with $1000 worth of repairs before you have it a year.
Scott Hazel
Dean, I am also looking at the ZD326 60″ and have a very similar property that I’m looking to maintain much like you described. Did you decide to buy this Kubota, and are you happy with what you bought?
Josh
Hi. Was looking into using a zero turn for something other than grass. Removing the deck and running the mower to haul a tank of and supports close to 1000 lbs of liquid with a spray bar designed off the hitch. If I place the tank over the engine and add weight supports to the front, do you think there is a zero turn out there ready for my needs? The ability to turn on the dime is the most important factor really, any other suggestions are welcome. Thanks
Paul
Hi Josh, Google “zero-turn sprayer” and then click on the images button. A bunch of ideas will pop up. Lesco and Cub Cadet have done this in the past but they didn’t sell too many.
If you remove the deck and put the tank in the back you will have to add 200-400 lbs up front to counter the weight.
Jrco has a system already built that you just bolt onto the rear. They make high quality units.
Gary
Paul,
I have a Troy-Bilt 42″ Zero Turn mower I got at Lowes 5 years ago. For the most part it has worked fine. Lawn is mostly flat with a few trees and one slight incline in the front yard. One day after a cut the yard I noticed it was running rough. When I looked at the engine, I noticed the bed was cracked and two of the bolts were gone. I replaced the bolts with ones from Lowes and put a flat metal bar across the engine bed where it was cracked and bolted in in. It worked great until a few cuts later when I noticed the engine broke of at one of the bolts (the one not missing). It still works, but it is a ticking time bomb. I’m waiting for the engine to go flying past me as I cut. I want to try to get through the summer without the purchase and maybe get an end of year sale. I was looking at the Hustler Raptor Zero Turn and my neighbor said to get a tractor because they last longer. Do tractors last longer than zero-turns? Would a zero turn in the $3000 range last longer than 5 years? It is garage kept and only 3/4 an acre. Thanks!
Gary
Paul
Hi Gary, In the $2000 and less price range tractors do not last any longer than ZTR’s. But, in the $3000 and less zero-turns the build quality is about the same as the $2000 tractors. Also, I’ll bet the problem with your mower was the bolts that hold the engine were not torqued properly at the factory. When they came loose the engine started to vibrate. That vibration caused the frame cracks. By they way, I see this problem happen on all snow blowers, tractors and ZTr’s but it’s not common and it only happens in one out every 20,000 units or so. I do recommend if you know how check those bolts (and transmission mounting bolts on tractors) after the first 50 hours on new equipment. That said,
The Hustler will last. So will a Toro Timecutter, Ariens Ikon X, and John Deere Z345.
Gary
Sorry, I’m confused. So you are saying that in the $2000 range the tractor and Zturn are about the same longevity wise. Are you saying that In the $3000 range the tractor longevity is better?
Of the four models that you mention, which would be your best to least in order of preference?
Paul
Hi Gary, Yes, The under $3000 ZTR’s use two transmissions but everything else (like decks, bearings metal thickness, etc) is basically the same quality. The manufactures feel they can charge more for the the ZTR’s because of the extra transmission and demand.
Yes, a $3000 garden tractor will last longer than a $$1500 lawn tractor – but they don’t make one with a small 42-46 inch deck.
Of the four ZTR’s I mentioned I have no preference. All four of them will last you more than 5 years. In fact, with the recommended preventative maintenance they will easily last 10 years on your 3/4 acre. I suggest buying one of the brands from the retailer or dealer you trust.
Gary
Paul,
Thanks for your help. I ended up getting an Ariens ZOOM 50. I wanted the Ikon 52, but it was backordered until mid September and I couldn’t get by that long without a mower. The ZOOM was also a little less expensive. I thought about the Toro Timecutter, but read too many people having problems with the brake assembly and a few other issues. Two cuts in and I love it. It is smooth and fast. I only hope it lasts. I just thought I’d let you know.
Thanks,
Gary
Paul
Hi Gary, Congratulations! I wanted to clarify for other people reading this comment. The automatic electric brake sticking issue was found immediately the first year of production and only a few actually got into the hands of owners. Once the issue was identified all units were repaired before they were sold. I own the ExMark version and I love the auto parking brake.
Jay
One thing though, I made a mistake last year waiting for end of season sales and they truthfully weren’t that good. I found the spring sales were much better!
Paul
Hi Jay, Yes the best deals on mowers is in the spring and the best deals on snow blowers in the fall. The best deals may be a sale price but many brands will offer longer warranties or accessories in place of a cash discount.
Because the lawn & garden industry does not use model years only the discontinued models may be a good price at the end of season.
Jeff
Paul,
wondered what your thoughts are between a Gravely ZTHD 60 and the ferris is700z for 3-5 acres of regular mowing, (not a typical residential lawn) and some occasional field / path mowing or brush hog entire area and then mainten the height with the ztr….? Not sure I am justified in stepping up is all?
Paul
Hi Jeff, I have to assume you are going to rent/hire someone to do the field and brush hog work. Then keep it mowed with a ZTR. ZTR’s are NOT designed for that type of work and you will quickly destroy the decks. They are designed for mowing lawns and grass no more than 6-12 inches tall.
The Gravely will give you the least problems over the years.
Chris
I am looking for a zero turn that will hopefully have the capability of adding a plow or bin to pull behind for <6-8" of snow and to move logs from one spot to another for splitting. I have looked at Toro but not sure what the best models would be. I am open to other models within a normal man's budget for a 1 acre property. Hope you can give some advice.
Dan Mikel
Looking for a recommendation on a 60″ ZTR. I have a 1971 Yazoo 14 hp Commercial mower (front deck, tricycle) that was a forerunner of the ZTR currently it is on life support in the shop. I have been borrowing my buddy’s 60″ XMark or his Gravely 60″. They are great mowers but they are very expensive commercial units that I don’t feel like investing that much money into for a sometimes weekly chore. I have looked at 60″ models of Toro, Country Clipper, Bad Boy, & Hustler – All seem reasonable for what I want to do and have their own unique spin on what is important or better about their particular model. Looking to stay out of trouble from a repair and upkeep standpoint and for a mower that I can use for many years with the proper maintenance and storage etc.. Any suggestions or direction that you can point me in would be greatly appreciated.
Paul
Hi Dan, Wow. I’m impressed! I owned one of those “Tilt-A-Whirls” myself 40 years a go so I know what they are.
First, find a local dealer you like. Then explain to them how big your yard is and they will help you find the right machine. Generally, all the brands have good ZTR’s that will last in the $4000-$5000 range.
If you liked the ExMark you will like the ExMark Radius-E and the Toro Timecutter HD. Both fall into that 4-5K price range.
Oh, The Country Clipper is the easiest to work on.
Lee
Hi Paul
I live near Winnipeg in Canada on 2 acres of land (all flat except the ditch). There’s quite a few trees around the front, sides and especially very back of the yard, with a few trees dispersed throughout the middle of the yard. It takes me about 4 hours+ to mow the yard because I’m always going back and forth around the trees. I have a Craftsman LTX 1000 riding mower which is ok, but am looking to get a ZTR or something that can cut some of that time out of mowing. I’ve looked and rode the cub cadets (both riding and zero turn) but I hear so many people saying bad things about them. I’ve read up some of your reviews on mowers as well as lots of peoples comments on other mowers. One person says one thing about this brand and another person says another. Getting very confused about what’s good out there. What I’d really like is just a good ZTR and later on replace the Craftsman with another machine that I can attach a snowblower and tiller on to. Any help you can give would be appreciated. Thanks,
Lee
Paul
Hi Lee, I’d like to start out with two comments. 1. With the amount of lawn tractors and ZTR’s sold for every person who complains there will be a thousand others who are happy with their mower. The happy people just don’t write reviews like the owners who are upset. It’s surprising how many people have a brand preference with mowers. So, any person who likes Craftsman or John Deere will always complain about the brands they don’t like. 2. Yes, Cub Cadet did have more problems with small things on their lawn tractors like belts, bearings and other deck related stuff. So Cub Cadet/Columbia went back to the drawing board and introduced ALL new lawn tractors in 2015 and they are now one of the best, if not the best for dependable tractors and mid-priced ZTR’s.
I’m not that familiar with what brands and models you have available in the Winnipeg area. If you could write back with the brands some of your local dealers carry I can help you better.
Lee
So true about commenting online. Sometimes I just start forgetting that most people that like what they have almost never post about it.
I did forget to mention that there is a slight slope up towards the house on the front and side, but it’s not that steep.
The brands we have up in Canada are, 95% of the time, identical to the ones you have in the US. Most of the versions you’ve spoken of are the same thing that is sold here. I have access to Toro, Cub Cadet, John Deere, Kubota, ExMark, Husqvarna, etc… We have the MTD versions in stores like Home Depot as well as resellers that have the more extensive versions of each brand.
David Gardner
Hi Paul,
A really useful/informative article. I`m looking at a zero turn instead of a domestic tractor mower since I have less time to maintain a big tricky lawn. It needs a bit of grunt for when the grass has been neglected for a couple of weeks and to get around a lot of trees etc.
I was offered a used 2003 Ariens 994301 stand up.
It has a 19hp kawasaki engine, and either a 30″ or 34″ deck.
I`m in the UK and can find no information on this machine even to confirm the cutting width.
Talking 2-3 acres with no serious slopes.
I would really appreciate any thoughts or links to manufacturer (made by husquavarna?).
Thanks
David
Paul
Hi David, The cutting width is 34 inches.
That mower is pretty rare and is very easy to tip over. If you have any slopes at all stay away from it. Because it’s so rare you will have problems finding frame and drive-train parts.
34 inches is very small for 3 acres. It will take you all day to mow.
History-wise that mower was NOT made by Husqvarna. The original company was called Great Dane and was owned by Dane Scag – the person who started Scag mowers. The mower was made in a no-name factory in southern Indiana, U.S.A. Dane was a great business starter but got bored easily so if I remember correctly sold the company to his son who changed the name to Ever-Ride. His son had cash flow problems and sold the company to Ariens.
David Gardner
Paul,
Greatly appreciate the swift reply.
I realised it was going to add some cuts and had been looking at 48″ mowers (including Great Dane) but it was local.
I’ll take your advice given the stability issues and parts availability and look elsewhere.
Many Thanks
David.
Kevin
Paul I have one more question. I have been reading a lot about ZTR’s and came across an article that claimed Hustler Turf sells a ‘lesser’ product to Lowes and Home Depot. I want to purchase the Hustler SDx 54′ with a Kawasaki 23 hp, unless it is inferior to the one I purchase at the Hustler Dealer.
Paul
Hi Kevin, Sorry, there is a lot of fake news out on the web. Here is the original article that interviews Hustler and squelches all the nay-sayers.
https://www.rurallifestyledealer.com/articles/3308
Kevin
Thanks! that give me a little comfort knowing I may purchase a product identical to the one the dealer offers.
Kevin
I think this is the last question. Would the John Deere Z525 be comparable or better than the Hustler SDX? Will the motor on the John Deere, a 22hp Briggs ELS last as long for the homeowner who mows 4-5 acres per week (during the southern grass cutting season). By the way, I am using the Hustler SDX right now. It just plows through my grass way better than my 2009 Dixie Chopper Iron Eagle 2350 with a Kohler Courage – no I have never had any issues with that machine.
Paul
Hi Kevin, I have a feeling if you had the chance to mow 3-4 times with each machine you would pick the Hustler. Also mowing 4-5 acres the Hustler SDX will hold up better and require less maintenance.
In your situation the Kawasaki or the Kohler 7000 is a better choice than the Briggs ELS.
Kevin
I have a question regarding ZTR’s. I have 5 acres and I mow about 4 of it. I am thinking of buying the Hustler SDx 54 with the Kawi and ZT 2800. I like it over all. I read a little about the Husqvarna MZ54s which you recommend. I like fact that the husq has a 5 gallon tank and ZT3100. I don’t like the stamped deck and the BS engine. Every site recommends the Kawi over the BS. What do you recommend or advise? I am a homeowner not a commercial landscaper.
Paul
Hi Kevin, Quality-wise both machines are about equal but the Hustler has a heavier deck and will take more abuse over the years. There is not enough difference in the transmissions to buy the Husqvarna – both trannys will hold up well. The deck on the Husqvarna is so much lighter and slower than the Hustler deck. Plain and simple – Kawasaki residential is not better than the Briggs or Kohler. Asking the Internet which motor is the best is like asking an owner of a Chevy pickup which truck is the best.
Paula Boucher
Hi Paul
I have 3/4 acre. My husband is 70 and I am 65. He has incurable blood disease that takes his strength and Im just a bag of arthritis. He fights me every second trying to help, but I have managed to cut the grass a few times and now we cut it together. I desperately want to buy a rider that will reduce our load, but Hubby refuses to help me because he wants to be the strong man he always was and hates me having to do things that he feels is his job. We have a lot of trees to ride around and its hard for me to pull the rope to start it. I thought maybe an electric start and a zero turn would help and maybe a seat that is not so hard on the back. I read your articles which are very good, but Im not sure what is best and I have to buy it without Hubby’s help. Can you help with advice? Thanks Much
Paul
Hi Paula, If you have no experience with riding lawn mowers I suggest a lawn tractor instead of a zero turn. Zero turns can be hard to learn to drive. A lawn tractor is more forgiving and won’t tear up your yard.
I suggest starting with this article: Seven Best Riding Mowers Under $1500 for 2017
Gary Sisk
Hi Paul,
A great article and the first I have seen that was obviously written by someone who truly understands mowers and who has used them. I am a retired facilities director 30+ years for school districts so have had huge acreage to mow every day and because I was always short handed I helped the guys mow many days. If buyers pay attention to your article they should have a great mower and mowing experience. I first used zero turn mowers in the early 90’s and used many sizes from 42″ up to 12′ and many manufacturers and can say for most applications they can’t be beat. The only place I would ding them is slopes. I am so glad you mentioned that many times and in bold print, these things will buck you off and kill you. For anyone reading my response to you I will say the following as a quick rule of thumb, which will point out many of the things you have said.
1. For big acreages bigger is always better if time is an issue.
2. The sub 3000.00 zero turn mowers are only for residential use. Don’t expect professional long term results if intending to use on large acreage or everyday use. I have used them for some of my smaller areas commercially and they always required more maintenance/parts to keep them running.
3. NEVER EVER MOW ON STEEP SLOPES, (especially with drop-offs, water features or busy highways below) these zero turn mowers will loose traction fast and soon spin out of control. They will hurt or kill you.
4. Like Paul says, get some practice mowing on open areas before getting into the actual mowing. I had many brand new zero turn mowers with decks knocked off, all the covers knocked off and front suspensions bent out of shape the first couple minutes of use because new zero turn operators didn’t listen or follow my directions. Zero turn mowers will buck and snort and try to get you off if you don’t truly understand how quick and fast they are. These are amazingly quick machines. When learning how to operate them “do not” engage the blades
5. Probably the biggest thing I can push is safety. ALWAYS WEAR EAR PROTECTION, safety glasses, proper fitting not open toe shoes/boots, SUN SCREEN, and keep hydrated (not the alcohol types, these mowers have no place for alcohol or drugs)
Thanks for your articles Paul, these are the best out there
Gary
Brad
Hey Paul,
Appreciate you sharing some knowledge here. I am building a house on 3 acres. Not flat but nothing crazy as far as hills go. Not a tree on the land at all. I really like the 50″ toro with the steering wheel that you recommended to someone else. Curious though if it can handle pushing some snow. Would I tear it up doing that? I’d prefer a wheel over the levers. Trying to stay under $3,000 but I can go up a bit if I need to. May go look at a Simplicity built, Massey Ferguson 2924D this weekend. Has a 54″ mowing deck, 3 point hitch, and front PTO. I love the idea of being able to do more with my mowing machine. Basically I want a nice cut and to not be out there all day. Bonus for being able to push snow in the winter if need be. I’m in Missouri so we don’t get a ton. 5 inches or so at a time is normal. Seen 12+ on occasion but it is rare. appreciate any suggestions of what to look for, new or used.
I would buy a zero turn with the levers if there is one that stands out to you in my price range. It just isn’t my first choice. More difficult to hold a beer and mow. And again I like the versatility of something like that little Massey tractor. Right now I lean toward that toro though just because it would be new. $3,000-4,000 range. Appreciate any help.
Brad
That’s a quick response! Thank you. I found a used Massey for about $3800. It has about 1140 hours on it. Here is a link if interested.https://stlouis.craigslist.org/grd/6149967877.html
Any opinion on which I’d be better off with? The Massey is probably about a 1999 model I guess. And will the toro sw5000 model. Also, if I get the toro I think I want the 50″. Which specific model would have a strong enough transmission and hold up well enough to move some snow with a plow? any chance I could pull a few hundred pound trailer with any of the toro’s?
Thanks again so much for the insight.
Paul
Hi Brad, I had forgotten they even had that model – I was thinking it was a sub-compact. The only real issue with the Massey is there is no warranty so it’s as is – where is. That engine should run 2500 hours without an overhaul and the rest of the machine is a Simplicity so you can get parts. It mows a lot slower than a ZTR but they always had a decent cut.
The Toro will handle what you want to do so either one is a good choice.
Jason
Hi Paul. For the past three years I’ve been mowing our yard with a 30″ push mower (Yard Machines). After dropping comments here and there for quite a while, I finally have the green light to get a riding mower. I am on a tight budget though, so it’ll have to be used. I found a Cub Cadet Z-Force 44 for sale that doesn’t start. I’m confident it’s the solenoid. Even if it’s not, I believe in my abilities to get it running. I have negotiated the price down to $500 as is.
My yard is modest in size at just over 1 acre. There are only 3 trees, a patio, fire pit, and some landscaping around the house. I do have a ditch on both sides of the drive way and they aren’t the steepest I’ve seen, but they are still sloped enough to make me think twice about using a rider sideways on them. Also, the lawn is not very smooth. It’s quite bumpy.
In your experienced opinion: 1) Am I crazy to pay $500 for that mower when it doesn’t run (otherwise looks pretty decent, a little dirty). 2) Would you even recommend a zero turn for my situation? 3) Do you have any other comments for me or words of wisdom in my pursuit of a riding mower?
I appreciate your time
Paul
Hi Jason, I’m always very nervous about buying a ZTR that doesn’t run because I can’t test the transmissions. I’ve bought ZTR’s on auctions and about 1/2 the time there was a major issue they didn’t mention.
Personally, If you think it’s just the solenoid I would jump the solenoid and get it running temporarily before I bought it. $500 is not a lot of money and the average price for a used one is $2000. But bad rings in the engine or a bad transmission can quickly eat up the savings of buying it cheap.
Nikki
Hi Paul,
I have been pouring over articles about zero-turn mowers. I have always had riding mowers and am looking into getting a another mower. I’m altogether not sure whether I should get another riding mower or if I should go with a zero-turn mower. Let’s pretend I am your wife (so that “caring” will be a factor in your help) and I am the one who will be cutting the grass. What mower and type would you suggest I look into purchasing?
Here are some details on my property:
I have about 1 acre of ground. It is smooth to slighty bumpy. I’ve been told I live on “marsh land” so my grounds in some areas can be rather soft to wet. I have no obstructions to get in between. I do have a large septic mound system, not sure on the degree of the angle, although I believe it is standard. The hill looks a little higher on one side than the other though.
Things I am concerned about:
Getting stuck. Because my ground can be soft majority of the time, I tend to get stuck in certain spots using my riding mower. Not sure if getting a mower with a certain type of wheel or wheel base would help prevent this or not. I alone, am able to lift my riding mower enough to get whatever wheel is stuck in the “mud” unstuck. If I go towards a zero-turn mower I have to consider its weight and whether I would be able to handle getting it unstuck by myself.
Septic Mound System. I would like to have a mower that I can ride up and down my septic mound to cut it. I don’t wall to tilt over or fall backwards (my worst fears).
Ground conditions: When I moved onto the property in 2007 the previous owners did their final cut using a large farm tractor with a pull behind, which left the property very rutted. 10 years later the property is a lot smoother in areas although there are still areas that have small ruts, depressions, and is slightly bumpy. Over the years the mowers that I have had, have all pretty much fallen apart due to wear. I had a brand new Ariens mower that after one year looked liked it had been worked over for 10 yrs! I need a mower that is “Built Ford Tough” as they say. . .if your a fan of Fords that is.
So, with all these things in mind. . . .what do you think your wife should look at buying.
Nikki
Thank you for your quick response Paul! I do like the 50″ version! The only thing that makes me a little nervous is my Septic Mound! Is the transmission durable in this machine? Is it heavy enough that I won’t flip over? What is the difference between a stamped deck and a fabricated one? Although, I do get 10% off at Home Depot. . .the deck on my Ariens was the first thing to fall apart. . .and I bought it from Home Depot. . .so buying another mower brand that Home Depot carries makes me a little nervous. . .especially since they flaked out on the warranty and wouldn’t cover any repairs, so I’m also leary of buying a the HD extended warranty as well. So I really need a mower that’s durable.. .and has minimal maintenance. I can add oil, gas, and air. Is Toro a better brand than the Ariens?
I don’t own a trailer so getting my mower to repair facilities is difficult. And there are no mobile lawnmower repair people in my area. . .at least not that i have been able to find. Getting my mower to a facility for the yearly maintenance is about all i can manage without stress. Please don’t consider my location when factoring in what I need lol (by the way I am located in Smyrna, Delaware near Woodland Beach). I am willing to travel a reasonable distance for a mower that is right for me! Also, I am open to all types of mowers!! Free your mind!!
Paul
Hi Nikki, I used the toro dealer locator and you have repairing dealer in Clayton and Dover. Your local dealer usually has a reduced rate on picking up your mower for service if you bought it from them.
This mower is considerably heavier and better built than your old Ariens. The Ariens lawn tractors at Home Depot were a “price point” item and everyone is happy that Home Depot/Ariens have stopped selling them. In a way, this experience is a positive towards Home Depot. They realized that maintaining trust is a lot more important than making a sale.
If you are uncomfortable buying from Home Depot – don’t. A local dealer will give you better service and will help you learn how to use the machine. You can call a local dealer and get a knowledgeable person on the phone. Personally, I’d start by talking to PUGH’S SERVICE, 728 LEIPSIC ROAD, DOVER, DE 19901 US, Phone: (302) 734-4231 , Email: patty@pughsservice.com. Tell them, I suggested the Toro 50″ TimeCutter® SW5000 (Model 74790) They can show you all the features and why it will work well on you property. By the way, I have the 42 inch Exmark version of the SWX4250 and I really like it. My wife even likes it!
The SW5000 will handle your septic mound going up and down or across and it won’t take long before you are comfortable using it. It has great traction – a lot better than the Ariens Tractor. It’s wheelbase is also wider than the lawn tractor so it won’t tip over. The transmissions will last because this steering wheel version doesn’t have the load on the rear transmissions that the lap-bar ZTR’s have.
Stamped decks generally cut better and fabricated decks generally are stronger but I want to talk about the Toro decks specifically. The Toro stamped deck is a lot heavier built than the Ariens deck you owned. It’s stronger and it actually cuts a lot better. On one acre the 50 inch deck should last you 20 years. In fact the entire machine will last until you get tired of it.
No, I don’t believe in extended warranties from Home Depot and Lowes. Feel free to keep asking all the questions you need to feel comfortable with this purchase.
Trent
Hi Paul,
First, thank you for all of the effort you put into this site. It’s proven extremely helpful and very informative!
I’ve narrowed my search down to the Hustler Raptor Limited 52″ deck because Hustler states the Raptor is good for slopes up to 15deg. (I have a septic mound that slopes from 12-15deg.) However, my only concern is the EZT transmissions. I know Hustler says it’s safe on 15deg slopes but would I wear out the transmissions prematurely? The Huster SD has the ZT2800 transmissions but costs an extra $600 ($3,799). It has the Kohler 7000 engine and I preferred the Kawaski but if the transmissions fail on me, the engine really wouldn’t matter anyway. Thank you again for the advice!
Paul
Hi Trent, Just a septic mound is no problem for the EZT drives on a 52 inch deck. The SD is worth the extra $600 because it’s heavier duty all around – if you want to spend the money. Don’t be afraid of the Kohler 7000. It’s proving to be a great engine to the point I would not pay extra for a Kawasaki anymore. Remember, Kawasaki got the good name recognition from the commercial engines and the water cooled versions.
David Sommers
I have the rz4623 Husqvarna mower and it has under 500 hours and he was beginning to pull to the left so I play with the linkage and it began to get worse and I couldn’t push both sticks forward and took it to a shop had the belt changed and got worse adjusted it more and now you can only hit the sweet spot to go wherever Direction you want. They say the pumps are bad. My Cub Cadet has around 550 hours with the same Hydro Gear transmission and it whines like the power steering fluid is out in your car and gets worse as you drive the opposite of the Husqvarna that gets a little better as you drive
Paul
Hi David, Residential mowers like the RZ4623 are spec’d and priced for about 10 years of use for the average homeowner. Most homeowners use their mowers about 1.5 to 2 hours a week so that works out to 40-50 hours a year. Simply put then 500 hours is about right for those drives. If you put more hours per year on your equipment it pays to move up to more durable/expensive drives like the ZT2800, ZT3100 or higher. Along with the heavier transmissions you also get stronger frames, heavier duty decks and longer engine life.
So, spend $3000 up front and get 500 hours – spend $10,000 and get 2500 to 4000 hours of use.
Leo
Hi Paul,
I had been looking into Husqvarna ZTRs (specifically the Z246 or Z254) but have been reading that Husqvarna may not be the most reliable brand. What are your thoughts on this? I don’t want to spend $2.5-$3.5k to have the mower in the shop all the time.
I see you’ve been recommending the Toro SWX5000. Would I be getting a highly quality machine going with this mower instead? Is the model 74795 worth the extra $400 over the 74790? My property has a small slope of about 12-15deg before it turns to my neighbor’s property if that matters.
Thank you so much for all of your help!
David Gruenberg
Thanks for taking the time to run this site.
I’m trying to figure out what kind of mower to buy. I have about 3 acres near Eugene Oregon with some small slope. The grass gets long as I can’t keep up with my push mower. There are some pot holes, lots of small trees, paths, fencing and edging. No ponds of walls. I was thinking a standing mower like the Hustler Super S 48″ would allow for the hills, close quarters and still be fast on the open areas. It more expensive than my fallback, the Hustler Raptor or Raptor SD. I don’t know the dealers in Eugene. I’m not sure how to service the standing mowers with a jack. I’m not sure I’m asking all the right questions yet, but the grass keeps growing and I am falling behind. I should have researched this sooner. What else should I consider before buying? Thanks
Paul
Hi David, Just about any of the stand-on mowers from any of the brands would be a good choice. They are all commercial machines and built to take a beating. They would last you years. A ZTR will cut your mowing time in half over a lawn tractor, but a stand-on will cut your mowing time in half over a ZTR again. In the mid 90’s I replaced 7 person crews using “conventional” landscaping equipment with 2 person crews using one ZTR and one Stand-on. I actually increased the productivity by 30% while reducing labor costs by 5 persons per crew!
They will handle any hill or ditch (mowing sideways) and if the hill does get to steep you just step off the machine. Toro, Scag, Hustler, ExMark, Gravely, Bob Cat and Wright Stander. Wright is one of the original standons. The Gravely standon is the grandchild of the other original standon manufacture.
I really like the Wright Sport
I’m not a big fan of the Ferris, Bad Boy and Jacobson stand-ons but everything else will make best mower you’ve ever owned.
You can service under the deck with a jack on the front of the deck, a lift under the front casters, a chain hoist lifting the front and even in a pinch setting it half-on the ramp of a landscape trailer.
David Gruenberg
Paul
I see you recommending steering wheel ZTMs for slopes. I’ve been considering a stander as I already mentioned because of the small footprint but I also have some slopes. I have not seen a stander with a steering wheel. I’ve never operated a ZTM before, so the steering wheel seems attractive on my mild slopes and potholes.
Can you please provide any considerations that will help me decide between a stander and a steering wheel ZTM.
If you end up recommending a steering wheel ZTM, is there one with a fabricated deck you can recommend? Before I looked into the standers, I was considering a Hustler Raptor. Anything like a Raptor with a steering wheel?
As to size, I believe you don’t recommend a 36″. We have lots of bushes that a 3′ to 4′ apart that might be serviced by a small mower, but we have lots of land that will take longer. Should I get the size above 36″ to get into more small areas knowing it will take longer to do the larger areas or get a 48″ and trim the small areas?
Thanks again
Chad
Ok, I have a 1 acre yard. About half of it is a gentle slope (approximately 15 degrees). For 13 years I have used a John Deere GX345 and felt very secure sideways, at an angle, or up and down. It now has transmission issues (250 hours) and I am not sure if it is worth putting a bunch of money into. Since mine broke, my friend has been mowing it with his Ferris 600 or Gravely stand on, both up and down or sideways. Everywhere I go, they are trying to sell me a zero turn. They, as well as my buddy says an estate or low end commercial mower will be plenty safe for me or my teenager son. I hate to spend $5000+ and get it home and not feel safe. Should I pull the trigger or stick with a comparable tractor? Your thoughts?
Trent
My riding mower recently died after almost 20 years and I was looking to purchase a Husqvarna Z254 with the Kawasaki engine for my acre lot (was hoping to keep it under $3,500 w/the bagger.) My only concern is our septic mound which was added about 5 yrs ago and has a slope ranging from 10-14deg. The rest of the lawn is relatively flat with a very gradual slope in the back. Do you think this mower would be a good choice? I’ve read about transmission issues on steep slopes but I’m not sure if this would be considered “steep.” Any of recommendations would also be appreciated. Thanks for the advice!
Paul
HI Trent, The ZTR should handle the slope especially if you mow at a diagonal but if you are not comfortable mowing it I suggest buying a rear wheel drive self-propelled walk behind to mow the mound.
Remember, never mow straight up the slope with a ZTR. Only mow straight down if there is nothing to hit or fall into at the bottom.
Russell
Howdy!
Thanks for all the advice!
I have a new home and about 2.5 access of a lot that sat for 4 years and is all weeds.
I’m on a budget and just looking to make things easy on me for years time, as I’d rather be in the garden than mowing.
Would you recommend a riding tractor meet or a ztr for non commercial use and which models still available for your recommendation attempting to keep at $2k and below.
Thanks
Paul
Hi Russel, There are no ZTR’s that will really work for you under $2700. So, I suggest a 46-50 inch lawn tractor. John Deere D100 Series Lawn Tractors, 2017 Cub Cadet XT1 – XT2, and Craftsman Yard tractors are all good choices.
dan
HI-
I have a bad right leg (from ms) so I need something that I won’t need to use it on. I have had an stx-38 and now an L100, but it’s slowing down, time to go!
I have about a 300×100 yard. I have some large trees, with a lot of leaves that I mulch up. I have been considering the Deere z335 as I love the idea of a switch to go from mulch to blowing. But I would like a 36″.
I am thinking of a 36″ or 42″ deck (I have a small 48″ garage door in the back for a mower).
Any recommendations on units too look at?
Paul
Hi dan, I got both of your comments. Just so you know, I’m so busy it usually takes me a day or more to answer.
Do not buy a zero-turn smaller than 42 inches if your lawn is not perfectly flat. The small ZTR’s lose traction quickly and tear up your yard. They also tip over on 10 degree slopes.
Either the Ariens 34 or Toro 32 are the only choices for a quality mower in that size. I prefer the Toro because of the big single blade. It cuts and mulches really well.
Check it out here: 32″ (81 cm) TimeCutter® SS3225 (74710)
Either way, I strongly suggest buying from a local dealer. They can give you the hands-on experience you need to drive these little bugs correctly.
Matthew
Hi Paul,
Interesting and candid article. What are your thoughts about a used commercial “out front mower” such as a John Deere 1445 for residential use? I’ve run a couple of zeros (limited use on commercial and high end residential types) and personally prefer the stability and familiarity of a tractor type. I use a JD 455 60″ tractor type now but will be building our new home on a larger property with more trees to mow under/around and slight slopes, nothing over 5%. About 3 acres worth of lawn with some old field terraces I do plan to level at some point. Overkill, probably, but I think I’d like the front mower for maneuverability, speed, and ride quality compared to the 455 or a high end residential zero turn. I’ve seen some used diesel front mount mowers around $5000 with 60″ 7 Iron deck and 4WD (3000+ engine hours). I do prefer diesel mowers as a general rule for longevity and fuel economy. Thanks!
Paul
Hi Matthew, I think out-front mowers are the best answer for mowing lawns but the U.S. market long ago chose to go with zero-turns instead. So yes, I’d love to recommend the 1445 except: Be very aware that a mower like this is usually used by a city, college or other government entity. so, 1. They let the work-study kids use them so they tend to be beat a little more than commercial mowers. 2. Large area John Deere mowers are priced less than the Toro and Jacobson equivalents (for the accountants) but they don’t last as long. 3. Also understand, a $20,000 mower (new) can be very expensive to repair. For example, I once bought a Kut-Kwik Super SlopeMaster for $4000 on an auction ($35,000 new) I used it for 20 hours or so and I had a transmission go bad. While it was apart we also found a cracked frame.
$6500 later I had it running again.
Matthew
Paul, thanks for the speedy reply and caveats on JD front mounts–they do seem to depreciate fairly quickly but would hopefully work OK for my residential use. Those Kut Kwiks are amazing machines, too. I do like the fact the the fount mounts can accept other attachments such as blade, flail mower, snow blower, etc. for more uses. Thanks for your input!
Paul
Hi Matthew, If you do find trade-in’s from municipalities a lot of time there is more than one. And if you keep an open mind there is usually one “parts” machine that they will throw in with a good one just to get it off the lot. Bad motor, bad transmission, cracked frame – but there are thousands of dollars of parts left.
jim owen
Hi Paul,
I’m building a new home on two acres. It is wide open now but I will plant some trees. I want to buy a mower that will last a long time. I’m looking at the Hustler Fastrak (54″ or 60″), the Gravely Pro Turn (52″ or 60″). Are these comparable machines? Would you prefer one over the other? What is the comparable ExMark mower to these two.
Paul
Hi Jim, The comparable ExMark is the Lazer.
At this price level it really boils down to the dealer. Buy from the dealer you like. ExMark/Toro sells half the commercial mowers in the U.S. Hustler makes a comparable machine and the new Gravely’s are light-years better than they were 5 years ago.
Actually, before you spend that much money for 2 acres take a look at the new Toro Titan HD.
Jonas
Any advice appreciated: I currently own a 2013 Craftsman GT6000 garden tractor, I mow about 2.5 acres of mostly open grass (though I am planting more trees). I love everything about the tractor except it’s steering is horrible, very loose and tows the wheels in and out. I acquired a 2008 Toro Z5000 Timecutter zero turn with a blown motor. I probably can’t afford to keep both, so I am debating selling the Craftsman and converting the Toro to an electric motor. If I knew that the Toro was going to be better for mowing (timewise) I would have no issues with this decision. I also currently use the Craftsman with a 46 inch snowblower, I would likely get a smaller snowblower attachment to rig up to the zero turn, even though I know they are not really designed for this. I don’t have a huge driveway, so it only takes me about 25 minutes to clean up with that big of a blower. The other item that gives me a little pause is I have a small section of yard with about an 18 degree slope, I currently run weights on my tractor to make it up and down. I figure a bank of batteries on the zero turn will give me enough weight to make the couple of passes I need to do. Any advice?
Paul
Hi Jonas, you are way out of my comfort zone on the changes you want to make. I can say that I strongly suggest staying off that hill with a zero-turn. If you are using wheel weights it’s too steep for any zero-turn.
Jonas
Thanks, I appreciate it.
Mike
I’m a small landscaper, mostly gated areas but wanted to get a zero turn for my yard and a couple others. was looking at the 48 in toro commercial. either Kawasaki engine or v-twin?
Paul
Hi Mike, I don’t suggest commercial mowers. There are too many. For example, there are at least 8 different Toro/ExMark models that offer a 48-50 inch deck. I suggest talking to your local dealers and pick a model from a dealer that you like.
Bert
Paul,
I am building my landscape company on the side. I work for a bigger company monday-thursday and do work for myself on fridays and saturdays. I am in the market for a used ZTR mower and found one in my budget. it is a 2014 craftsman 54″ ZTR model Z6600. it has 80 hrs on it. they are asking $2200. I’m thinking I can get it for $2000. I live in Asheville, NC and deal with a lot of hills and slopes in yards as we are in the Appalachian mtns. I only have 7 full time yards now but am getting insured next spring and will be on several property management lists and really trying to work for myself full time. I run toro zmasters with my other job so I am familiar operating ZTR mowers. Is this a decent mower? Will it handle okay on hills? Is this a fair deal? Should I start with something on this level or keep saving money for a commercial grade? I want a mower that will allow me to take on bigger jobs and reduce my mowing time, but I just don’t think I need to spend $4000+ quite yet. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks for your time, Bert Ramsey.
Paul
Hi Bert, If you are not ready to spend $7000 or more you are not ready to get into the landscape mowing business.
The Craftsman is a good residential mower and if you used it on your own property 40-50 hours a year it will last a long time. But you are going to put that much time on the mower every week. As soon as you go out on other properties you know all the stuff you can find on the lawns that will kill that Craftsman in a very short time. The blades, deck, deck suspension and on and on can’t handle the banging it’s going to get mowing other properties.
In addition, the Craftsman may cut well from a Consumer Reports perspective but you and I both know that it doesn’t even compare to the cut quality you get with a ZMaster or ExMark. And you also know that the commercial decks can cut in just about any weather. The residential decks only cut well in dry conditions. Especially since you are limited to specific days your mowing equipment has to be able to mow in varied conditions.
Finally, No, the Craftsman uses ZT-2200 drives on a large 54 inch deck. It will not last long on hills.
Chris
I’m looking for my first ZTR. Narrowed it down to the Husqvarna MZ52 Kawasaki or the Toro Titan ZX5400 Kohler Confidant. Price within $300 of each other. Both have the ZT3100 which may be overkill for my lawn but I fear hydro problem and would rather upgrade to reduce the risk. I mow about 2 acres with many trees and obstacles with a slight slope. Currently using a 42 inch lawn tractor mower. Would appreciate any input to sway me either way on these. Thanks
Chris
Paul
Hi Chris, They are both good mowers. If you like one dealer over the other I would pick that mower.
As far a features the Kawasaki FR in the Husqvarna is just a residential engine. The Confidant in the Toro is a commercial model and has three times the life.
The Toro Titan is also know for a great cut. Again unless you had a golf course perfect lawn you would not really notice the difference in the cut.
Toro also has the better reputation for mulching kits and baggers for these larger ZTR’s.
Scott
Any thoughts on the Toro ZX 4800 with the Kohler Confident 21hp engine?
Paul
Hi Scott, the Titan is a high end residential/low-end commercial grade mower. The Kohler Confidant engine is commercial grade so it will last 2-3 times longer than the Kaw FR, Kohler 7000 or Briggs Pro engines. Mowing 5 acres you would never wear it out.
Scott
Paul:
What is your opinion of the Scag Liberty Z (48). Is it worth the extra $1500 over the Gravely ZT 42 as it pertains to reliability and cut quality?
Scott
Paul
Hi Scott, I really don’t get into the midpriced ZTR’s. I do prefer the Gravely ZT X over the two you mentioned though.
Josh
Paul, great article and it certainly helps me think about a few more things as I’m searching for a mower. You mentioned one thing that I’m having difficulty finding information online about and wanted to pick your brain.
That item: Articulating Mowers.
I know that Husqvarna has a couple models in the <$4,000 range- not sure who else does. They appear to be more of a european design not yet caught on in the US.
Would you rank a $3-4k Articulating above a similarly priced Zero Turn?
For a 180 degree turn, Do the articulating actually turn on a dime as well or would you still need to do a 3-point turn like with a riding mower?
And are there any concerns about certain parts wearing out or repair issues with an articulating design vs a Zero Turn?
Thanks so much
Paul
Hi Josh, The Husqvarna 2-wheel drive will turn back onto the next row. The 4WD version has about a 12 inch turning radius.
The articulated’s have a center, idler pulley that the ZTR’s don’t have. I’ve had to replace the bearings in that once in my 1999 machine. The recycler decks have a frame around the entire deck and that actually helps the decks last a lot longer.
The biggest advantage with articulated’s is trimming. The deck is out front and it is so easy to trim around a tree, bush, fence post, etc. compared to a zero-turn. The articulated’s also trim inside curves a lot better than a ZTR or tractor.
I have a new 42 inch ZTR and it takes me about 30 minutes to string trim after I’ve mowed. I have an old green Craftsman 42 inch tractor and it takes me about 20 minutes to trim after I mow with that. The front and rear wheels are closer to the deck so I can get into corners and trim around trees better. I have a Husqvarna Articulated with the 41 inch recycler deck and it takes me about 10 minutes to trim after that. I can stick the deck under bushes, do inside curves and trim around any size post or tree.
The Husqvarna units are really the only articulated in the U.S. right now. Husqvarna and other companies have been trying to sell articulated’s here for 40 years but they just have never caught on. Husqvarna actually has a full line of articulated mowers available in other parts of the world that rival any ZTR we build here. Some of their ZTR’s can cost well over $20,000.
But, We like our tractors. We also have this crazy need for speed so we have adopted a zero-turn mower that fits on a trailer well and goes in a straight line really, really fast.
Mercedes Medina
Hi Paul, I live in ky have two properties with grass, small slope in back yard of one, the rest is just a lawn. Getting older, have a slight hip problem walk behind mower is getting rough, what is your opinion on a cub cadet 420cc ohv 6 speed rear engine zero radius rider 30 inch cut? Some in and out things to mow, ac unit in yard, not much to zero around, just looking for something easier than a push mower. Had a rider, to much back and forth and too many 3 point turns. Thank you!
Robert Marsh
I have found that very informative. Springfield MO area = rocks not matter how good a job of picking, 40 acre farm – 1/2 acre yard mow kinda weekly – 1/4 acre cemetery I trim after grazing with sheep 2/3x a year (mostly open straight mowing). I use a mower hard. Gravel driveway so some small gravel.
On the farm I have about 8-10 miles of electric fence, I have mowed once or twice a year for many years using a old tractor style Cub Cadet, sometimes after cutting hay or using 70HP tractor / brush hog to within a foot or so of the fence. Will occasionally mow a 1/2 acre pasture AFTER grazing (usually only the one or 2 closest to the house) All but the yard is FLAT. Yard is 1/3 flat semi-wooded, 1/3 almost flat open, and 1/3 quite steep mix of open and trees that I mow up and down the slope. The 20 year cub was end of life, I replaced with a Kubota Kommander 42″ (told them all of the above). It does great for all of the above but keeps throwing the deck belt (about every hour to 1.5 hours of mowing) and has thrown the hydraulic belt twice (BIG JOB to put back on!!!). Dealer tells me NOW that this mower can not mow any sticks (Hickory trees in the yard, little sticks frequently, big one’s I pick up). For 3 weeks after THEY put the hyd. belt back on I mowed ONLY dry grass, ONLY the yard, and ONLY AFTER picking up any twig I could see… and keeping the mower deck just about spotless. It has thrown the deck belt 3 times, twice when I started it, 3rd time after mowing a minute or two. About 14 months old, has 43 hours on it.
1. I obviously need a heavier built mower. (Best friend has a Gravely, has never picked up a stick/branch; son-in-law has an old used high end commercial, uses in mud,rock and 6′ tall weeds for a couple years and never any problems).
2. I plan to wash/wax and sell the Kubota (42″), but now am worried that it will throw belts even for a small yard… it has been to the dealer 4 times (first, keep the deck cleaner, 2nd lost hydraulic pump, 3rd no idea, 4th you can’t mow anything but a small yard with this mower), any suggestions
3. I found a dealer I feel GOOD ABOUT, his suggestions were Gravely ZT HD vs Hustler Fastrack either would do MY job. He suggests Fastrack, heavier deck, rides better over rough stuff. Says he has a number of clients using commercially… and in the largest up to 60″ size I can get on trailer / through gates (I was leaning to 48, or at most 54 (60 will not fit). Your thoughts ? Thank you very much in advance, Robert
Paul
Hi Robert, I’ll say the same thing as the Kubota Dealer. These mowers are designed to mow lawns. Even the ones that cost $15,000 are designed to mow lawns – of course the expensive ones are designed to mow lawns faster and longer than the Kommander. That Said, Let’s talk about what you can expect with a little more expensive mower than the Kommander.
I suggest getting away from a 42 and going to a 48 or 60. Cost – at least $6000. Although I would most likely recommend a $4000 mower in your case if you want a mower you never have to worry about spend at least $6000. This gets you into the low end commercial mowers.
Low end commercial mowers have decks, transmissions, etc are heavy-duty enough to handle banging into fence posts, clipping pasture grass mounds and taking down the occasional sapling.
I also suggest the Fastrak/Fastrak HD to many people but I’ve very excited about the Gravely Pro-Turn. It’s a new mower and the next mower up in the Gravely line from the ZT HD. It has a lot of improvements in how easy it is to use, how well it rides. It’s one tough mower. https://www.gravely.com/en-us/zero-turn-mowers/pro-turn
Can you get a 60 around in the cemetery?
Before you put the Kubota up for sale put a new deck belt on it.
By the way, there are only two reasons that Kubota is throwing belts. 1. Your fault – You have a rock, stick, etc wedged in a pulley. 2. The dealers fault for not finding the problem – Something is bent, broke or missing. If you were overworking the mower by mowing too thick of grass you would be burning belts, not popping them off.
Julie
Hi Paul, We are looking to buy a zero turn and would like to know what you recommend. We are in Marshall MI with 3.5 acres some rough spots and a few slight slopes.
Paul
Hi Julie, With 3.5 acres and some rough spots I suggest looking at a zero-turn with larger rear tires, a heavy duty residential deck and ZT2800/ZT3100 transmissions. Basically we are looking at zero-turn mowers in the $4500-$6500 range.
I don’t know any of the local dealers in your area but there is a Tractor Supply close by. Tactor Supply has two brands that have a good reputation and products that will work very well for you. These ZTR’s will give you an Idea of what will work for you and last a long time.
I list my suggestions here:
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Amy Lyon
OK. That makes sense. And I again appreciate your help with my questions. I knew you were the only one I could ask without getting a sales pitch from a dealer on why their machines are better than Brand x.
You are awesome!
Nam Tran
Paul, thank you for taking time providing such a great info and invaluable advice. I am planning to buy my first zero turn mower and currently considering the following:
1). Toro SWX5050 that has steering wheel mower with ZT-2800 and Toro engine and 50″ fabricated deck. Price is $4,600 out the door with 4 yr warranty . From your posts, looks like the steering wheel would handle the slope better but I do concern about the quality of Toro (since this is consumer mower and saw mixed review on Home Depot about its quality at low hours. In addition the engine built by Toro is still new, not sure if it would last long compared to Kawa or Kohler engines).
(2) Cub Cadet Pro S154Z with steering wheel (Kohler EFI Command engine and ZT-3400). Price is ~$6,700 otd with 4 yr warranty. This one looks well built. Saw some videos of the Cub cadet Z force with steering wheel on slope and was very impressed. However I read some reviews online complaining about belt damage at less than 20 hours due to some design flaw in their deck. Also my conversations with some dealers in my area did not leave me with good impression about their services. Since I have not seen any commercial guys use CC, would that imply something about the quality of the machine?
(3) Ferris F160Z lap bar with Kawasaki FX730 and ZT-4400) – $6,800 otd. This is the best built of the three, and can be considered entry commercial level. In addition, the dealer is just 15′ away and has great reputation in my area. I think the ZT-4400 would handle the 15-20 deg slope well and would last a very long time. I can do basic maintenance like oil change, blade sharpening, etc.
But want to hear your opinion. Is the Ferris overkilled for my needs or the Toro SWX5050 would serve me well. Only a few comments from HD websites were related to this steering wheel zero turn, and quite a few of them complained about the steering wheel not in sync, machine could not start after a few hours or belt damaged, etc.
Thank you for your time
Nam
Paul
Hi Nam, Home Depot does one thing with reviews that makes no sense at all. The combine all the reviews for a brand and then put all of them on every product. So, for the Toro SWX5050 it shows over 219 reviews but not one of the reviews is for the mower. All the reviews are for other Toro machines. Home Depot is doing a dis-service to themselves and the products they sell.
I have heard of no issues with the 50 inch so I went through all the reviews. ExMark steering wheel models come off the same assembly line so I also went through those reviews. There are problems but they are all with different model ZTR’s.
Now, I really can’t give you my opinion because I can’t find where you told me how big your yard is, how rough it is, what type of grass, where you live, etc. I did notice you have a slope but how big is it? Write back and I’ll give you an opinion.
Nam Tran
Paul,
Thank you for your prompt response. I did went through most of the reviews on HD website and looks for those related to Toro mower with steering wheel mower. There was no review for this specific mower SWX5050, but I just picked up the complaints about other Toro mowers that have Toro engines or an issues with the steering wheel system, which I think could be applicable to this machine. I just don’t want to get a new belt every 10 hours or have the mower in the shop when I need it.
I live in NJ. My yard is less than 1/2 acres with a mix of grass (whatever Scott uses in their grass seed sold in HD).
Thanks,
Nam
Paul
Hi Nam, It’s very easy to get confused with all this stuff. In the case of the Toro there are three different quality levels all wrapped up in those reviews. The SS series is not as heavy duty as the SWX series. The reviews with problems were all for the cheaper machines.
For 1/2 acre of grass any of the mowers Toro sells is a good pick. The SWX 5050 is actually overkill but will last you years and years and years.
Nam Tran
Thank you, Paul. Very much appreciate your honest and unbiased advice. HD offer their protection plan for $350 which extend manufacturer warranty by additional 3 years with free pick up and delivery from day one. That makes total warranty of 7 years (Toro is currently offering additional 1 year warranty). So looks like the SWX5050 is the winner here. I am gonna go for it.
Again, thank you so much Paul.
Matt
Hi Paul,
Can you explain what you mean by the more advanced technique “reverse zero turn”? Do you have a video or demonstration of this? Maybe you can just explain it in detail. I have just purchased a Toro MX5050 and find I am leaving some divots from time to time.
Thanks,
Matt
Paul
Hi Matt, Experience and getting to know your lawn really helps. There will be certain areas of your lawn where the ZTR has more weight on one rear tire than the other and it will scuff the lawn when you turn. If it does it in the same spot every time – don’t turn there. Change you mowing pattern so you are turning somewhere else.
Reverse Turn:
1. I usually mow around the entire area twice with the discharge pointing in. This is the area where we will make the turns.
2. I’ll use the example, you are mowing in a straight line (the row) with the uncut lawn to your left.
3. Come up to the end of the row and as you get into that end area (the already cut) move to your left but still keep the ZTR pointing to the end of the row.
Do the next steps slowly at first. With practice you can do it very quickly
4. Pull both lap bars straight back. As you begin to move backwards in one smooth motion push the left lap bar forward. The ZTR will change from backing up to a full zero turn (one wheel going forward and one going backward)
5. As soon as the ZTR swings 180 degrees and is pointing back to mow the next row move the right hand lap bar into the forward position. (I’m right handed. If you are left handed going the other way may be better for you)
Starting the turn with the ZTR moving backwards changes the momentum and allows you to move it quickly without tearing up the turf. With practice this will become one fluid motion. With practice you will be able to do this at full reverse speed. With practice you will be able to make your mower “dance” without hurting a blade of grass. When you get really good – it will be as much fun as riding a tilt-a-whirl.
Laura
Thank you for your article and all the comments on here, some very useful info. I am looking for some advice, I currently have an old, engine on her last leg Dixie Chopper XW2202 Quad Loop 60″, that I am debating on either replacing the engine on or purchasing a new zero-turn, if I can find one that can safely handle the work. I’m currently mowing approx. 3 acres around the farm house/buildings with an additional occasional 3-4 acre pasture mowing just as clean-up purposes after cattle run through. The land is all heavily slopped, deep short ditches in some areas around 40 degree or better on some ditches. That old dixie walks up and down these without a problem, when I have power, but like I said my engine is on her last leg, she was a freebie by the way, so I really don’t mind putting some money in it. I have looked at quite a few 60″ commercial mowers, but get the feeling that the center of gravity along with the fact they have you sitting pretty high up in the air, that safely trying to accomplish what I need to is debatable. Closest Dixie dealer is well over 2 hours away, local mechanics don’t really want to touch a Dixie even though she is a pretty stripped down version now. Any suggestions on a new zero-turn that may be able to handle the ditches/slopes or is my best bet to just throw a new engine in the one I have??? Thank you for any advice and taking your time.
Paul
Hi Laura, I think that mower has a horizontal shaft engine so a replacement will run you about $100 a horse. The repair guys don’t want to mess with it because there is always something else that needs to be replaced so a 24 hp engine can easily cost $3000 installed. If you get the new engine on and the drives go bad you are looking at another $2500-3000. You might as well put that $5000 or more towards a new mower.
I’ve always liked the ExMark Lazer Z, Hustler Fastrak HD or Scag as good hill climbers.
Mike
Great website and advice. I’ve got a JD F930 mower/72 inch deck with 1,200 hours and mow about 4 acres weekly. That includes a few trees and other obstacles to navigate. Mow time is about 90 minutes or so. I love the mower, but it’s starting to nickel and dime me. What is the min. ZTR price range that will equal cut and time to mow? I think that I may be in the upper range and might be just fine with the nickel and dimes versus a new mower. However, I’d like your advice.
Thanks
Paul
Hi Mike, The old 930’s were good mowers. Most of the time the engines went long before the mower did. I suggest you start with the John Deere Z535M. The 54 inch deck will cut faster than your F930 and you will really like the cut of the new decks. It will ride a little rougher and you will have to relearn how to trim. (Front mounted decks are so nice for detail work.) The price is reasonable and comparatively a good deal compared to what the F930’s used to cost.
Amy Lyon
Hello! Thank you for taking the time to give me the details on each type of transmission. Since I made my first inquiry to you – I did some research on the Exmark and Walker mowers. Both of these brands are sold in my hometown. I’m thinking that these mowers will have the same 2800 to 3100 transmissions depending on model? Is there a top pick of models to compare? I know he carries the Gravely because that is where my brother bought it. And I have a feeling he carries some of the models that you talk about in your forum.
Also sounds like I need to spend the money up front to tackle all of the terrain I will have for it and to get something that lasts for a long time. Will something with a 48″ deck ride as smooth as this Gravely did with a 60″ deck? I couldn’t believe how nice it rode. Felt like a cadillac and I wasn’t jostled around like on my current mower.
Paul
Hi Amy, You are correct with the transmissions. On a $5000 Gravely or ExMark a 48 inch deck and a 60 inch will ride about the same. A $4000 – 48 inch won’t ride as well as a $5000 48 inch though. In other words the more expensive the mower the heavier it is. In addition, more expensive mowers usually have better seating. Some even have suspension under the seats.
The Walker mowers are a completely different animal. At this point lets drop that brand from the discussion.
It really is worth spending money up front for a Gravely or Exmark. The more you spend, they more heavy-duty they are and the longer they will last.
Amy Lyon
Hello Paul. I would estimate that last fall I had asked you about a mower for my hobby farm. I wasn’t quite ready to purchase a mower at that time and the suggestion you had for me was lost. Can I trouble you again to offer a suggestion? I tried out my brothers Gravely with a 60″ deck this weekend. It mowed like a dream on my bumpy, sloping ditches, uneven terrain, numerous trees. But, this was a $6,000 mower. Not sure if I need something that fancy for my yard. In the fall, I have used it to mow some areas in the pasture where the horses didn’t eat it down to nubbins. I know you are not supposed to do that, but I do mow through it very slowly and take about two feet at a time. Then go back and mow it over again. At any rate, I think I would be OK with something that is in the $4k range, but would spend more if it means having a mower that I will have for a long time. I don’t know the difference between the deck styles (rigid) or if a front deck or middle deck would be better. I would think minimum maintenance/moving parts would be best for me. I have someone to help me sharpen blades, grease mower and change oil. Major items I would take it to a repair place.
Paul
Hi Amy, A dealer will argue with me all day long but I use the following price/reliability/longevity for farm yard type mowing.
Lawn/Garden Tractors: If you just mow the lawn around the house and nobody drives on it a $2000-$3000 one will last 10-15 years. If you mow around the farm buildings, ditches and fence rows they will last less than 10.
Zero-turns under $3500: ZT-2200 Transmissions. In general they will last about the same as the lawn tractors.
Zero-Turns $3500 to $5000: ZT-2800 Transmissions. If you mow around the farm buildings, ditches and fence rows they will last less than 15. If you go out in the pasture they will only last 10 or so.
Zero-Turns above $5000: ZT-3100 Transmissions. When you get into this price range you get heavy duty blades and decks. They will take a lot more abuse like hitting fence posts, tree roots, farm yard ruts and heavy growth out in the pastures. They will also have heavy duty transmissions that won’t overheat and burn out when using them in tall grass, on ditches or slopes. If you just doing light dragging you should be able to use this grade to loosen you horse arena. (It will have about the same pulling power as a 2-wheel ATV but won’t be able to work in 4 inch loose sand.)
I like Gravely’s so let’s talk the Gravely ZT XL and Gravely ZT HD specifically: The Gravely ZT XL starts about $4000 and has the ZT-2800 drives. If you just wanted to mow around the house and out buildings this would work. The Gravely ZT HD though I would have no problems going out to the pasture and cutting down the longer stuff and saplings under 1 inch. The ZT-3100 drives are heavy enough to take all the abuse you could give them. Then deck is heavy enough to take all the pounding you can give it.
If you wanted to save money I would suggest going with a 48 inch deck instead of the larger 60. There is only a 15% difference in mowing time between the two sizes. I would also go with the Kohler engine instead of paying a premium for the Kawasaki.
Jason
Hi Paul, This is a great site. I am considering a ZTR to use at my farm. I have approximately 8 acres on the property that I try to maintain using a JD D130 around the house (less than an acre) and my Kubota MX5100 with 6ft Bushhog for the rest. I try to mow each week but sometimes I dont make it up there but every two weeks. Most of the land is sloping towards the lake with lots of trees, blueberry bushes, fruit trees, & flower beds. This place is my families get away and we all love it but I spent 8 hours this weekend getting everything maintained. I’m thinking about a commercial grade 72″ to hopefully get back some time with my family. There is a Scag & Husqvarna dealer in the nearest town and a Kubota & Exmark dealer in the next closest town. I’ve never considered a front mount deck over the mid mount deck. What are your thoughts / recommendations?
Paul
Hi Jason, Please stay away from the 72 inch decks. A 60/61 inch can actually be faster for the type of mowing you want to do. Why? A 72 inch uses a lot of power, quite a bit more than a 60 in tall grass. They really don’t make larger engines specifically for the 72 so I’ve found that the units tend to bog down and you have to go a lot slower than you would with a 60. With a good 60 you will be able to cut your mowing time in half or more.
ExMark Lazer Z and Scag Tiger Cat are the most popular with the commercial operators. Their mowers are built for reliability and performance in mind. Those machines will take a beating trimming around all your stuff and never have an issue.
Husqvarna will be a little less initial cost and it has good equipment but the maintenance costs are a little higher.
Kubota will be the highest initial cost but if you want to trade in the tractor and bush hog that may be the best choice for trade-in value.
Start with the ExMark Dealer. Get to know that machine well and then compare the others to it. That will give you the best machine for the price.
Jason
Thank you for the information. I will be looking at both the SCAG Tiger Cat and Exmark Laser Z this week.
David
We’ll see. I’m waiting for a quote on a Walker comparable to the Grasshopper. 17G, but that is with a hydraulic deck lift, powerful, and the collection system. Still expensive.
David
Wonder why Craftsman discontinued their “Easy Blade Replacement” system on their Pro Series tractors? Seems like a really great idea, as the video shows. My 2016 Craftsman Pro Series 8200 bought last month has the typical “bolt-on” blades.
Paul
@David, That is a Husqvarna exclusive technology. The 2016 tractors are made by MTD. Personally, I think they are going to be a problem. The plastic caps will break and the spring clips will get bent on stuff. I want something simple spinning at 200 MPH!
David
Great article. I appreciate the info. I am considering a zero turn and would like your advice. I have about an acre of flat to lightly sloped centipede lawn I cut at 1.5 inches every 7 to 10 days with a 42″ JD D130 (irregular shape and a couple dozen trees and other obstacles to cut around), 2.5 acres of sloped (~10 deg) pond dam and 4-5 acres of flat field I cut with a finish mower every 2 or weeks or so, depending on conditions. The top of my list is the Grasshopper 725DT, in part because I can add a vac/hopper system, which is a necessity in the fall and spring, and I think I will like a front mount better than mid mount. My assumption is it will be easier to cut around trees and irregular obstacles, as well as be more balanced on hills. Please correct me if I’m wrong, and give me your informed recommendation. I live in Dunn, NC.
Paul
HI David, The Grasshopper front deck is an excellent all around unit. I will say that it will have a little more regular maintenance than a mid-deck ZTR. It has more belts and bearings. Once you get a price, also take a look at the Walker Mowers. The Walkers have a very low center of gravity, have great cutting decks, have one of the best grass handling systems and are as nimble as a mountain goat. One advantage of the Walker is it’s very easy to change decks so you can have one for normal mowing and another when you need to collect .
David
I discovered the additional maintenance required for the front mount while doing research to narrow down my choices, and I’m OK with that. I did look into the Walker mowers, but I am having trouble finding a dealer in my area that knows they are a Walker dealer. I called a couple places listed on the Walker web site, and they said they didn’t sell Walkers. I would like to look at one though, because I know that Walker and Grasshopper were connected at some point, and many of the design elements are very similar. Can I expect the same center of gravity and nimble handling characteristics from a Grasshopper that you said I would get with a the Walker? I looked at the Grasshopper and really liked it, but they are very expensive. The demo will have to go really well for me to pull the trigger on a Grasshopper. Thanks again.
Paul
Hi David, I suggest going through Request a Demo page and let them find you a good dealer.
A good dealer goes a long way to liking a product. Walker, Country Clipper, Hustler and Grasshopper have been doing zero-turns since the beginning and are still making quality products.
The Grasshopper is nimble – a lot more nimble than a mid-mount. Is it as nimble as the Walker? It’s a little larger and the ground clearance is higher so not quite as nimble.
David
Request submitted. I hope the Walker is as good as the Gasshopper, but cheaper. Almost $17,000 before tax is alot to pay for a mower, even if it will last 20 years. Thanks for the reply.
Paul
Hi David, What!!! That’s insane! Yes, by half. By the way, nice pun with the spelling.
David
I got a demo from the BBC Walker folks a couple months ago. Their mower is almost as overpriced as the Grasshopper (both were gas motors). I would have to buy 2 decks with the Walker because the collection deck serves no other purpose – I don’t always want to collect so I would also need a side discharge deck. Almost $15000 for the mower and collection deck, then another $2700 for a side discharge. At those prices, I guess I will keep my JD D130 and 3 pt finish mower.
Joel S
Time cutter is nice but have garage space issues. What do you think of the gravely zt42 Joel
Paul
Hi Joel, A 42 inch ZTR will take up the same amount of space no matter who makes it. That said, The I like the 2016 Gravely ZT X 42 a lot. UI don’t talk about it much because it’s a dealer only ZTR. I don’t care for the 2014 and old older Gravely’s though.
Joel S
Live in canton oh suburb was told not to walk now anymore due to medial meniscus tear. Looking at a small rider. Currently trying a Troy Bilt 30 inch rear engine but feels top heavy going around trees or turning. Will not cut in reverse. Probably will return to box store. Also considering Gravely zt34 or 42 but not much garage space leaning toward 34. Not a large yard and slight slope but not dramatic. Is it worth buying a zero turn?
frank
Paul,
Thanks for your words of wisdom! I was considering a 61 inch Ferris with the 37 HP Kawasaki engine or possibly an Exmark. Do you have a preference? I have a little over 100 acres and keep roughly 8 acres around the house and barn mowed on a bi-weekly basis. The property is near Meridian Texas and the terrain has some minor slopes and lot of trees. I currently use a tractor with a brush hog and was
contemplating just getting a finish mower but have decided to try a zero turn to get under the peach trees a little easier. Just curious on what commercial grade mower you would choose
between Gravelly, Ferris, or ExMark,?
Paul
Hi Frank, Given the chance I will always pick the ExMark over the Ferris. There are a lot fewer moving parts in it and the machines last and last. Mowing 8 acres a week you will never wear a Lazer Z out. Commercial operators agree with me – ExMark has more of the market share than the rest combined. The new suspension operator’s platform is really smooth.
Now Gravely. The new Gravely Pro Turn 100, 200, and 400 series are completely redesigned for 2016 and I like them a lot. The new operator’s platform will work very well to take the rough ride out of the ZTR.
I suggest going to the local ExMark dealer and Gravely dealer. Buy from the dealer you like. You can’t go wrong with either machine.
Jim
First of all, thank you for great info. About ZTRs. I have about half an acre land with little slops. Only couple of trees in front and back yard. Little rough yard. I am confused between tractor or ZTR. I purchased John deer D140 with 48′ deck for $1550 since I have 10% off coupon from laws. But it will not been delivered until end of June. But then I saw craftsman 20411 for $1800 at Sears. What should I do? I do not have any experience in lawn cutting since I just bought a house 1st time. Sears (craftsman) has protection plan for $400 for 3 years. I don’t know if lowes or John deer has same plan. I don’t know how to fix them so I need buy very reliable, low maintenance, under 2k tractor or ZTR. Please advise. Thank you.
Paul
Hi Jim, I would suggest you stay with the D140. I like Craftsman in general but they do have a few lawn mowers that I don’t like and the 20411 is one of them. That ZTR is too lightweight and the mower is actually wider than the deck so you are running over uncut lawn all the time.
The D140 you bought has a good reputation and it will last you a long time.
The Lowes plan is not the best and I don’t recommend it for Troy-Bilt products.. For John Deere products though it does an adequate job. Buy the four year.
Here is the details directly from the Lowes site: Outdoor Power Equipment Protection
Outdoor power equipment that’s eligible for a Lowe’s Extended Protection Plan includes but isn’t limited to chainsaws, chippers, edgers, shredders, pressure washers, portable generators under $5,000 (excludes standby units), push mowers, riding mowers, snow blowers, tillers and trimmers. An Extended Protection Plan provides coverage for three or four years and includes benefits not covered by the manufacturer.
Extended Protection Plans covering outdoor power equipment start the day you purchase them.
Parts and labor are covered 100% on qualified repairs for three or four years‡
For products $800 or more — including riding mowers — we will pick up, repair and return the product.
We offer a Sure Service guarantee. If we can’t fix your riding mower within 14 days of initial service, we’ll send you a one-time payment of $50.
You’ll receive a 35% reimbursement up to a maximum of $500 for the following riding mower maintenance supplies: batteries, belts, blades, filters, spark plugs, and tires, purchased at Lowe’s.
If your product can’t be fixed, we’ll replace it*.
Dirk Dunham
Paul,
I am curious about what you said on the Craftsman 20411 mower. It looks identical to the Cub Cadet RZT L 42 inch model other than the color. Some of the other Zero turn mowers with lever controls I have looked at seem like the decks are about the same to me unless you go with the wider deck. Is it more the deck size or just that particular Craftsman model that you don’t care for? I have been looking at both of the Cub Cadet RZT S 42 and the Craftsman 20400 42″ model with the steering wheel options and the deck sticks out almost 2 inches past the side wall of the tires on both. I am having a hard time deciding which mower to buy because I am trying to stay under $3,000 and when you go to the wider deck size the price jumps up over my budget. I have found very little information on the Craftsman 20400 model number and quite a bit on the Cub Cadet RZT S 42 model.
Aren’t they basically the same mower?
You have a very good site and it is full of great information.
Thank you,
Dirk
Paul
Hi Dirk, Yes, they are basically the same mower and I think you are looking at them wrong. Stand in the front and look at the side to your right. The mower deck sticks out an inch or two. Now look at the left side. Do you see the black discharge chute? Have someone lift that up and then look where the actual deck ends. It ends UNDER the mower. If it was a 46 inch then it sticks out both sides.
You do realize that these residential ZTR’s don’t cut any faster than a lawn tractor. You can buy a Craftsman Pro or Cub Cadet XT1 tractor for hundreds less and it will cut just as fast. If you need the maneuverability buy the Craftsman Pro. With the 5 inch Extreme Turn Tight steering it will turn just about as short as the ZTR’s. If you put a 46 inc Craftsman Pro and a 46 inch Cub Cadet ZTR on the same property you would see less than a 10% difference in the time it takes you to mow the yard.
Hey, I like ZTR’s myself but if my budget is tight I would select one of the new Cub Cadet or Craftsman Pro tractors instead.
Dirk Dunham
Paul,
I see your point about the discharge side. I wonder why Consumer Reports ranked them so high if that was an issue. I have read all kinds of user reviews on the Cub Cadet ZTRS 42 and I only saw one comment about the deck issues. Most people gave high reviews about the quality of cut. Not sure what they did for a work around on that.
I am not looking for speed as much as I am cut quality and the sharp turning. My local Cub Cadet dealer has the Cub Cadet ZTRS with a 50 inch fabricated deck that I am assuming would take care of that problem, of course it is more money. Sears also has a 50 inch model available with a stamped deck for the same price as the Cub Cadet fabricated deck. The Craftsman ZTRS 42inch model is on sale right now for $2500, about $200 cheaper than the Cub Cadet, and if you buy one on your Sears card you get another 5% off. That is one reason I was looking at the Craftsman models and they were also doing that 5 year in home protection plan for an additional $200. I will go back and look at some of the other sharp turn conventional tractor models.
Thank you,
Dirk
Paul
Hi Dirk, Consumer Reports only ranks for side discharge, bagging, mulching, handling and ease of use. They do not list that their points system looks at any other criteria. For them it is not an issue. I want you to know about it and I am giving my opinion that it’s problem for the way I mow.
Paul Burdick
Paul,
This is a great article and I would love to get your opinion on the machines I am currently contemplating as an addition to my John Deere D140 48″ rider. I will more than likely keep this unit for occasional bagging around the patio area, using the spreader, thatcher and pulling around the yard cart. I’m in Macomb, MI., I’m cutting 3 acres, relatively flat except for the culverts near the road which I usually use the trimmer or push mower on. There are some areas that are a bit bumpy and I have a handful of trees to cut around. It’s currently taking me 3 1/2 hours, or more depending on conditions, to cut/trim. I should also mention that some areas grow fast enough that I can’t go a full week between cuts.
Between the 2 local dealers that sell Emark, Toro, Gravely, Cub Cadet, etc.. (one does sell the smaller JD’s) here is what I was looking at so far or at least what I think I rounded it down to:
60″ Exmark Pioneer S series – about $7000
60″ Toro MX6000 Titan – about $6000
60″ Gravely Pro Turn – about $6000 (2015 model for this price, i believe)
After seeing the Toro and Exmark side-by-side at the dealer, the Toro “looks beefier” and is $1000 less. They also both use the same suspension style seat. (i think i really want/need this option) The Gravely looks tough as well but lacks the suspension seat (maybe I can add that?) and I think they all use the same brand of hydro gear.
Initially I also had a 60″ Cub Cadet Pro z 100 and a Gravely 60″ ZT HD in the list but since have crossed them off (i mention that in case you think I should still consider one of them)
Price and comfort are just as important to me as cutting speed and I really would love your opinion, even if it is something other than what I listed.
Thanks in advance!
Paul
Paul
Hi Paul, I don’t know the 2015 Gravely but on the 2016 Pro Turn the suspension is two-parts. 1. There is suspension inside the seat and then there are rubber vibration dampeners that isolate the entire operator’s area. It’s not obvious like on the Toro/ExMark.
I’m surprised your Toro/Exmark dealer couldn’t tell you the exact differences between the two. Most dealers are very well-versed on the ExMark especially. Did you know the Toro and ExMark come off the same assembly line?
You’ve picked three very good machines and you would be happy with any one. It would be nice if you could drive them across a field to get a feel for the suspensions. I suggest looking at the dealer and picking the dealer you like best.
Paul Burdick
Well, Paul, I think you’re right about the Exmark/Toro dealer, maybe if I were looking at the Lazer Z model they would have told a lot more, I don’t know. The last time I stopped by there I basically said I’d like the Exmark Pioneer if they could help me better understand what I was getting for the $1000 increase in price over the Toro. They had already told me the Toro had a more durable frame after I asked out the size difference in it and then said the cutting deck was virtually the same. So the answer I got was about the transmission being bigger and other than maybe saving 7 minutes of cutting time overall at full speed (Hydro 3100 vs 3400), that I wouldn’t notice much else based on my use.
Having said that, I took your advice in a manner of speaking. The Gravely/Toro dealer’s sales manager was a great guy and offered to drop off a demo Toro unit at my house to try it out. So after driving it across the exact field I would be cutting and the dealer going the extra mile, I pulled the trigger on the Toro with that dealer. (he also threw in the ROPS folding kit as this one was stationary)
In the end, I’m glad I ran across your article and I thank you for your words of wisdom!
Paul
@Paul, You are very welcome!
Dan
Hi Paul,
I have a Snapper commercial grade zero turn mower. It’s a 54″ I believe. I had a friend cut my yard and he ran over a small stump or something he says, so I called my Snapper dealer and they wanted $175 to fix it. Apparently, it has a bent deck and they also changed out the blades. I cut my yard recently and I too ran over something and have the same problem. This time they said since the deck was bent the first time, one of the blades is hitting the deck and causing this loud banging sound. My question to you is, can I have them remove the blade that is hitting the deck and be fine or do I need all 3 blades? The cost to me would be just to have them remove the blade versus buying the whole deck which is back ordered til late June ’16. The cost of the deck is @$1500.00.
Paul
Hi Dan, This happens all the time and very few people have to buy a new deck. Take a close look at where the blade is hitting the deck. You will see it’s just making a little mark. (a bright spot on the inside of the deck)
If you and your friends are at all handy I would pull the deck off your mower and inspect it. Most of the time you just caved in the side or front of the deck a little and you can beat it back into shape with a sledge hammer. You may have to remove the blade to get enough swing with the sledge hammer. If the blade is bent, it will look different than the other 2 – then replace that.
One last thing. When you have the deck off spin the blades so that the edges come together. Are the edges on the same plane? When they are closest together one blade may be higher than the other. If that’s the case you bent the spindle mounting plate on the deck and that’s a much larger job to straighten.
If you guys don’t have the expertise to pull the deck I suggest taking it to metal shop or someone else so they can take the deck off and straighten it.
After you get it straight do yourself a favor and raise the cut height up one or two notches. Don’t be too upset with the dealer for trying to charge you so much. Most of the dealer won’t repair stuff anymore, they will only replace with new. I don’t know if it’s a liability issue or they just don’t have the repair experience the old farm implement stores had.
Dan
Thank you Paul for the quick response. I appreciate the advice.
Roger
HI Paul, thanks for the great information on your site. I’ve read a few articles and now have a conundrum. My thoughts were to buy a ZT but am thinking about going back to the ‘old style’ garden tractor. My lawn is around 3 acres with a mix of back-and-forth mowing to mowing around obstacles such as trees (mature oak, ash, apple, pear), sheds, garden, firepit, blueberry bushes, etc. all on a 10-15% slope. My old GT1554 CC with the 27 HP Kohler has ended its 10 year run on these slopes and I thought I’d go ZT. But after reading all the info I could I’m a bit scared of the steepness of my slopes mixed with the wetness of my lawn in spots.. (few wet springs here and there) So I’ve narrowed my search down to either the Toro ZT TimeCutter 50 or the Craftsman 54 Pro Series Garden Tractor. Am I over-reading and over thinking the info about steep slopes and ZT’s? and are my choices valid?
Roger
I bought the Craftsman Pro Series 54″ and so far so good!. Don’t like the ‘easy’ deck removal ‘system’ but it feels strong, agile, stable and quick. Thanks for the great info you hand out!
Paul
Hi Roger, Thank You! Yes, compared to their old system it is a step forward but it’s not a drive-on, no tools system that’s for sure.
David
Thanks for the article.
I have a 2.5 acre lot, and mow 1.25 – 1.5 acres that is rough with not many trees. I have been doing it with an older used lawn tractor that I recently broke a spindle on which is a 46″ ( lawn general). I was thinking if going to a pull behind rough cut mower as my lawn is not finished and I let it grow beyond 6in at times more so with a new child. Everyone pushes ztr for speed but like you said I don’t think it is that great of a fit for me as I do not have a finished lawn. I have been looking at used commercial equipment from municipalities (county/city) as I was reading it was a better deal than buying from big box stores. Currently I am looking at ( High – low on prices) :Exmark Lazer 60″ Zero Turn Mower (> $2500, 774hrs 25hp Kohler) , toro proline walk behind 44″ ( 20 HP Kohler @ 444hrs)or 52″
(Kawasaki 17hp with 777hrs) both about >$600, last choice is a John Deere 316 with 46″ deck with a 20hp Oman with 840hrs around $500. Which would you go with or should I look at a Swisher rough cut mower and just pull it with my atv or just buy new from a big box store/dealer and just go with a cub cadet with new warranty?
Any help would be great.
Paul
Hi David, I don’t really talk about used here. they can get very expensive very fast. But….The ExMark feels too cheap. It is a commercial mower so parts can get expensive really fast. Parts for an Onan engine are getting very hard to find. The engine is usually what goes out on that Deere. The price on the Proline is very good. There is little to go wrong if they are the gear drive models. For $600 I’d buy the 44 inch myself.
If you really want a good rough cut and you want it to last 20 years I strongly suggest spending the money on an Acrease Rough Cut.. It a lot better mower than a Swisher, it cuts better, a will last a long, long time
Matt
Paul,
Great article and thanks for answering all these questions from us amateurs! We have recently moved into a new house (.5 acre) in which I have built a 4′ retaining wall that spans the back and then a vinyl fence that locks everything in. We have a gradual slope in the back half of the yard (close to 10 degrees). The max gate width is 5′ so I’m limited in width of mower. I’m torn between 1. Buy zero turn or not. 2. Best brand to buy for under $5,000. 3. If I buy zero turn will I have issues with slope. I would also like to tow an aerator behind it as well…is that possible? I do have previous experience mowing a golf course for 3 summers with multiple mowers including zero turn. My previous house’s lawn was small so I have always owned a walk behind. Brands that I’ve considered so far are John Deere, Toro and now Gravely since I have seen a lot of posts on here. We live near Greensboro, NC so dealers for any brand should not be an issue. Thanks in advance for any help!
Matt
Yes, sorry meant half an acre. Thanks for the response…very helpful
Paul
@Matt, sometimes I get confused. So my response is right!
Matt
Hustler or toro? 42-50″ deck. Comparing apples to apples what brand do you like better?
Paul
Hi Matt, That’s very simple, I like the brand that has the closest dealer I like. The equipment is really to close to call.
42 or 50 depends on the size of your yard and the obstructions. I have one acre with a lot of intricate landscaping. I’d pick the 42 V-Twin. My neighbor has 2 acres and no landscaping, the 50 is best for him.
Another neighbor has a 15 degree slope. I’d pick the 50 because it has a wider track.
Ray Craft
Can you explain what you meant by this statement.
I can explain why the original Dixon ZTR was one of the best residential zero-turns and why it’s no longer made.
I have 15 year old Dixon 4516 with a 50 inch deck i have been debating replacement of. This mower is perfect for my needs and i just want a new one but as you know they are done. What mower would you recommend to replace.
Thanks
Paul
Hi Ray, I meant the old cone drive transmissions. The 428 or 3302 are a couple of examples. They were so easy to use and you could not tear up the turf with one. You could throw your teenager on it and the lawn would look just as good as if you mowed it.
They were very lightweight which also helped them to not tear up the lawns. The biggest problem was that they took a mechanic with an engineering degree to adjust the drives correctly. Replacing the drive cones was just about as expensive as buying a new mower.
Dixon was bought by Husqvarna and the last blue Dixons became the new orange Husqvarna. But your machine is a little older. Your’s fits into that time frame of when Dixon had lost the ZTR business because they cheapened the Cone drive too much and it no longer worked right. So they got into the hydro’s but it was too late for the company to get their dealers back.
You Dixon has the EZT drives and it they lasted that long for you in reality just about any zero-turn will work well. Cub Cadet, Craftsman, Husqvarna – all of them in the $3000 price range would be good replacements. Do you have a brand(s) that you are looking at?
Ray Craft
Thanks for the follow up.
I remember the Dixon dealer i used to get parts from told me some of what you said above. I have had relatively reasonable service needs with this mower but i know i’m due a big ticket repair.
The cones vers hydro debate always made my head hurt trying to understand. No need to explain its just magic to me. I fix industrial refrigeration equipment i’m plenty full of random engineering knowledge.
There is a Full service Toro dealer down the road 10 min i will most likely get one from.
I really have been debating getting lawn tractor that i can use to mow and pull a lawn roller and other stuff. I have a fair amount of stuff to mow around but the newer tractors look like they might be closer than they used to be when it comes to maneuverability.
thanks
Paul
Hi Ray, Take a look at the Toro MX5050 and Toro 50″ (127 cm) TimeCutter® SWX5050 (74797). The SWX ZTR is the heavy duty steering wheel version. It can pull other stuff though I’d keep a lawn roller to about 350 lbs. The only new tractors that really turn tighter are the Craftsman and Craftsma Pro’s.
HARLAN BREEDLOVE
Paul,
I have 3 acres of gentle slopes I mow weekly with a Kabota B-7500 with 5ft finish mower, takes 3hrs to mow. I am comparing the Cub Cadet Z force L-60 25 hp Kohler ($3799.00) to the Gravely ZT XL 60 with 23 hp Kawasaki ($4699.00). Both have ZT-2800 trans. but the Gravely can be serviced and the Cub is sealed. Is the gravely worth the extra money? I trust both dealers.
Thank’s
Harlan
Paul
Hi Harlan, It depends what servicing means. If it’s just checking the oil in a clear reservoir that’s one thing, but I strongly suggest you keep you dirty hands off the hydros. It’s way too easy to introduce contaminents into the units when servicing them yourself which leads to premature failures. It’s not like changing the oil in your car.
The latest technology is also to have individual and completely separate hydros. With systems that have a common reservoir or cooling if one unit fails it also takes out the other.
I’m really not sure you will gain that much by going with the $4-5000 machines. They won’t cut that much faster than your Kubota. Your real time savings would be to go to a Gravely Pro 100/200 or Cub Cadet Pro Z 100 or Tank
HARLAN BREEDLOVE
Paul,
Thanks for the infro. I am my worst enemy when it comes to mowers, I supervise a sod farm and know all about 22ft and bigger finish mowers and trying to replace my 18 yr old tractor and mower for my house and am overwhelmed by my choices, so I will research your suggestions.
Thank’s for your imput.
Harlan
Paul
Hi Harlan. I understand because I like the big stuff myself. Take a look sometime at The mowers I’ve owned.
If you are going to look at the larger stuff the Gravely Pro-Turn has really up’d the game. The ExMark Lazer Z is still the one to beat though. A 60 inch can easily cut 5 acres an hour.
HARLAN BREEDLOVE
Paul
Your mowers brought back a lot of memories. The Wife came home with her choice to buy a Kubota Z125SKH-54 for $5779. Was stunned because she has never got on any of my tractors or riding mowers. What is your opinion of this mower?
Harlan
Paul
Hi Harlan, Historically Kubota’s tend to be over-priced compared to some of the other brands but they are good equipment.
In this case though $5779 feels like a very good price. This is the top=of-the line in the Kommander series and I doubt you will ever wear it out mowing your lawn.
It’s a good heavy ZTR, with the stronger ZT3100 trannys and a good Kohler 7000 series engine. If you can stand orange in your garage I’d buy it. 🙂
HARLAN BREEDLOVE
Paul thanks for all your help and time. I bought the Kubota and have enjoyed mowing with it.
Harlan
Vad
Hello Paul,
What a great article. Thank you very much.
We just purchased a house with 1 acre lawn with 15 mature trees on it. The lawn is not flat it has small hills (2-3 feet high, with slopes less than 5%) I am thinking to purchase Husqvarna z246, but I have no experience in lawn tractors or zero turns. The price is good (about $3,300 Canadian) and warranty is 3 years. I will be glad to know your opinion. Is it a good choice? Thanks in advance.
Paul
Hi Vad, The Z246 will handle your lawn nicely. If you have no experience using a zero-turn I suggest searching youtube and watching a few youtube videos. Then when you buy it from the dealer ask them to give you a full training on how to drive it, what to check each time you use it and what noises to expect when it’s running.
Vad
Paul,
Thanks a lot.
Have a good weekend.
Darin Rayzor
Hello ,
Thank you for providing so much information, I’m new to the whole riding mower thing, recently moving to New Freedom PA, on about 2 acres on a slight slope, fairly even terrain, but would like to get something that will stand up to some abuse. I’m very good with maintenance and upkeep, so hoping to find something that will last. I would like to stay in the $3000 range, and I’m looking at the cub cadet RZT S50, The new husqvara GT54 CS, and the toro timecutter sw5000, would really like something that does at least 7mph to get the job done fast! Your advice would be so greatly appreciated!!
Paul
Hi Darin, To actually cut at 7 MPH you need to get above $5000. The Toro SW5000 is close but the other two you list are more in the 4-5 mph range.
David Ramsey
Paul,
Thank you for the time you’ve invested into publishing this information. I have about an acre to mow and it takes me about an hour and 10 minutes from start to finish with a John Deere X320. I am considering a Zero Turn mower but I’m a bit unsure of what might be my best option. My yard is not very smooth and it is sloping. There is a Gravely dealer nearby as well as a John Deere. I haven’t been overly thrilled by my X320 and I’d be interested in knowing what you might recommend.
Paul
Hi David, I like the new Gravely ZT, Gravely ZT X and Gravely ZT XL a lot. If your lot slopes less than 5 degrees than the ZT and ZT X models are good choices. If your lawn slopes more or you want a “little better” than the ZT XL is a great choice.
The Gravely’s were redesigned last summer and they have a lot of the same engineering as their award winning Pro Turn line. In particular the 4 1/2 inch deep deck will let you mow considerably faster than the deck on the X320.
David Ramsey
Paul,
I bought a Gravely ZT HD 48 inch deck. Thank you for your help!!!
Paul
@David, You are very welcome!
Doug
Paul,
Thanks for the updated article and all the great info. My lawn tractor finally died on me last week and I am looking to replace it. I have 1 acre of flat lawn with many obstacles. I have been wanting to get a zero turn mower for a few years but have been hesitant to not get a cheaper model that won’t last. My current budget has me looking for a mower around $4000. My only issue now is that I will need to also be able to pull a utility cart from time to time. This is usually pulling loads of dirt, rocks, or wood. Are there any zero turn mowers in my price range that would be able to pull those types of loads without long term damage? If not, I will probably need to get a separate tractor (maybe an inexpensive used machine) so my budget for the mower would be lower. My local dealers have JD, Cub Cadet, Hustler, Bobcat, and Toro. Any machines you recommend from them $3500-4000? Thanks in advance.
-Doug
Paul
Hi Doug, in general you can get a good ZTR with ZT2800 transmissions and fabricated deck from any of those brands except John Deere for $4000. John Deere doesn’t have a fabricated deck in that price range because they are going for the best possible cut.
But I’m really leery of suggesting any ZTR for hauling dirt and rock. Why? It’s pretty hard to get more than 250 lbs or so of firewood in a 10 cu. ft. cart but it’s very easy to get 500 lbs of dirt and 1000 lbs of rocks in the same cart. 500-1000 lbs is way over the limit for any ZTR. Not only can you tear up the transmissions but it would be very easy for the mower to get completely out of control going up or down a hill. ZTR’s only steer using the traction of the rear wheels and it’s very easy to get to the point where they won’t steer with a load pushing them .
Even slowing down on a flat lawn or gravel could cause the ZTR and trailer to jack knife.
Mitchell Barber
Paul
I have 22 acres of old farmland with only a few sloped areas. ~6 acres require mowing. Half of that is fairly open area while the other half has a lot of trees, bushes and perennial beds we have been planting over the years not to mention a few fence lines. Some of the areas are a little rough but not too bad. I’ve been slowly filling in and smoothing the worst areas. I have a MF 35 w/ a finish mower but I mainly use a John Deere 455 that I like and have been contemplating a ZTR w/54 or 60″ cut. 1) A second mower will get it done that much faster. 2) If one is out of commission needing service, at least I have the other to keep up on the mowing. I tend to buy as good a quality as I can afford and generally don’t like the pure residential quality. I’d rather buy low-end commercial or better but am having a hard time getting a good feel for the various models/brands that would fit my situation. I wanted to get your thoughts as to a few good quality ZTRs you would recommend for my situation.
Thanks
Mitch
Raleigh, NC
Paul
Hi Mitch, Basically, any of the brands starting at $4500 for high end residential and $5500 for commercial. There are about 40 different models that fit your price range so it’s hard to suggest one or two. I suggest looking around the dealers in your area. Just stop in, tell them what you are looking for and let them give you their sales pitch. If you find a dealer that you like feel free to stop back and I’ll answer any questions about the brands they sell.
Since you live near Raleigh there is one brand I suggest staying away from. The DEK, Stanley, Beast Zero-turns. Their U.S. office is located there.
Brian
Paul,
I have 1.75 acres of mostly flat ground. Smooth with a few gentle slopes .
I am looking at a Cub Cadet Z-Force L 54″. What is your opinion on this model?
Thanks for your time.
Kevin
Thank you for the information. I have a 8.5 acre yard where 4 acres will need mowed weekly and 3.5 additional acres mowed every other week (depending, of course, on growth). I have lots of trees and the yard is one long slope. I’m debating on getting either a zero turn or a subcompact tractor for it. The tractor wouldn’t save any time around the house because of maneuverability issues but I don’t know what zero turn would be able to handle that big of job that often. Of course I don’t want to spend a fortune but I’d rather pony up now and get the right machine then be servicing and replacing in two years. I’m currently looking at husqvarna and hustler commercial mowers. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Paul
Hi Kevin, I’m sorry. I am way behind this week.
It will cost you $12,000 to 16,000 for a sub compact with a belly mower so it would be realistic to look at zero-turn mowers that cost $6000-$8000. Spending more than $6000 will get you a ZTR that will handle both the weekly and bi-weekly mowing well and do it quickly. In fact you are looking at about 4 hours total time with a 48 inch deck and 2 hours with a 60 inch deck.
In the Hustler I would look at the Fastrak or Fastrak HD. Husqvarna the MZ-T 61. Since you are looking at the Hustler and Husqvarna also take a look at the Gravely Pro Turn and Pro Turn 100 if you have a dealer nearby.
David B.
Paul,
Thank u, thank u, thank u for your “Do u really need a zero-turn mower?” article as I was dead set on buying one. This past Saturday 5/14/16 I bought a Craftsman Pro Series 46″ deck tractor with the 5″ radius “turn tight” feature and could not be happier. Thanks again.
Paul
Hi David, You are very welcome! If you ever have a question feel free to stop by!
Michael
Great read.. I have been a Regional Sales Manager for several years now and am tired of the lifestyle so I’m considering taking the plunge and starting my own lawn care service. I don’t have much experience in the way of commercial lawn care; I’ve only taken care of my own property and helped a friend with his landscaping business on the occasional weekend. That said, where would you encourage someone new to the industry to start?
I want to keep my startup costs low and grow slowly while I become acclimated to the business so I was looking at going with a simple setup, including a commercial walk-behind, a small deck push mower, weed-eater, hedge trimmer, and blower. After pricing the commercial walk-behinds, it seems like I could find a fairly decent zero turn for just a few bucks more.. but I really hate to sink too much money in it at the beginning because I know my first year is going to be tough.
Thanks in advance for any/all advice!
Paul
Hi Michael, I’m sorry, I am way behind this week.
Please do not take what I say here personally. Only 1 out of every 200 lawn care businesses make it to year five.
Here are the reasons why they don’t make it:
You don’t educate yourself on running a business.
You don’t educate yourself on general maintenance of your equipment.
You don’t charge enough.
You don’t know your overhead.
You don’t know the payback of equipment. A commercial walk behind will last 3 times longer than the zero-turn of the same money. The walk-behind will pay for itself – that zero-turn won’t.
You don’t educate yourself on lawns, grasses, weeds.
You mow too short and your work looks like shit.
You don’t pattern mow.
You leave ruts in the lawns from mowing them the same way every week.
You don’t know how to use a zero-turn mower. That means NEVER leaving a divot from the rear tires or a plow mark from the front casters on a customer’s lawn.
Your dealer is more important than the brand or price of your primary equipment.
You buy equipment based on price. You must buy equipment based on what you intend to do and the quality you want to give the customer.
Faster is not the best way for at least the first 5 years.
Any zero-turn mower priced at below $6000 will never pay for itself in a commercial application.
NEVER think of yourself as 2 guys and a pickup. Never price your work to compete with 2 guys and a pickup.
If people don’t want to pay your price for quality work find different people. You are actually better off sitting at home than doing shoddy work because of price or equipment.
If you can’t do as good of a job as the professional either get out of the business or learn how to compete with the quality of the big guys.
Never try to get business using the classified’s.
By the way, I found very little of my own business. I partnered with landscapers and other commercial mowers and did the lawn care they didn’t want to do or the work that was too small for their crews to do. The rest of my business was done by word-of-mouth. I went from 23 lawns the first year that did not pay enough to 400 lawns by year 5 that I could charge the right amount to make a really good living.
If you are going to mow high end residential and/or high end business start with an easy to use commercial walk-behind. Even when you make it big keep it for the tricky lawns and slopes. When you can cost justify it – buy a Walker Mower with a bagger for sites under 1 acre. Yes, you can buy the additional decks for the non-bagging work.
For sites larger than one acre use 60 inch ZTR’s from a local dealer you respect.
Buy your handheld equipment from your primary dealer. Buy Commercial string trimmers, hand blowers and hedge shears. DO NOT. I repeat DO NOT buy residential products from Home Depot, Lowes, Sears, or Amazon. (you can buy repair parts from Amazon) OK, I’ll tell you why. A residential string trimmer that costs less than $250 will last maybe a month before it starts to give you problems. You will fight with that POS for the next year or two before you realize you bought the wrong stuff. Buy a commercial string trimmer ($350-500) and it will last 2-3 years of everyday use before it starts to aggravate you.
Here is a little more I found online: The Real Facts about How to Start a Lawn Care Business
Ed
I have another question about the Cub Cadet SLT 1554. Is it safe to turn the mower on the side to do any work underneath such as fixing the transmission drive belt since I don’t have a lift and if so, which side if any is safe? Also, should I remove any gas from the engine before doing it? I have an electric impact wrench to remove the bolt under the clutch pulley and did not think I owned a wrench like it before I allowed someone else to try and change the transmission belt but if there is a way that I can fix the belt myself without paying and waiting for someone else to do it, I would like to.
Thanks again.
Ed in Southern VA
Paul
Hi Ed, It’s really not safe to turn any riding mower on it’s side. The battery, oil, fuel will all drip or run out of the tractor.
I want to buy a tractor hoist but I now use a rope and come-along tied to a rafter in my garage. I have a 2X6 brace that I put under the rafter so I don’t break my garage. I can then pull the tractor front end up enough t work under the tractor. I have a back up rope tied to another rafter just in case my redneck lift slips.
Ralph
Paul,
Thanks for all the info, has made me a better informed consumer as I have been shopping for a ZTR this week. I apologize if this post shows up more than once, I have tried to post twice so far and it doesn’t appear on the blog???
I have narrowed it down to 3 or 4 units and would welcome your opinion/advice.
The Yard: Just over an acre, residential in the county, no sidewalk, no curbs. A slight slope (my neighbor’s ZTR handles it fine) up from the ditch to the beginning of the yard. Lawn is not golf course smooth, is a little bumpy in spots, but by no means a field. Just a few trees and shrubs, and a few hundred feet of chain link fence.
My wants: A good quality serviceable mower that will last me years to come, that will also give a good quality cut. I’m tired of buying things that a salesman says is good and it breaks prematurely; whether its a mower, washing machine, toaster, or light bulbs, etc.!
My favorite thus far is the Scag Freedom Z 52. I have not been able to find a 48 in stock.
Second choice is Gravely ZT48HD. Both the Freedom and Gravely are the same price.
Third choice is the Scag Liberty Z that is in stock in both 48 and 52.
I also liked the Hustler Fastrak 48 but it is higher priced than the Freedom and Gravely.
All of the above are at 2 dealers which I know and trust.
Questions: Any advantage to a chain attached deck?
Is the Scag Freedom truly overkill for me?
Should I be concerned about Kohler v/s Kaw on these?
2800 v/s 3100?
Your opinions and suggestions please!
Thank you very much.
Ralph
Paul
Hi Ralph, I approve all comments on this blog manually. If I didn’t I would have hundreds to trolls everyday in the comment section trying to sell the latest “male enlargement pill” and/or screaming that you should never buy a certain brand. The Internet spam is a pain in the butt. In addition, I have up to 20,000 legitimate visitors a day so I sometimes get a day or two or three behind.
Let’s go through the facts first. The Gravely is actually the best of the bunch. It has the larger/heavier duty ZT3100 transmissions. The Gravely compares to the Liberty Z Pro. The comparable Gravely is the Gravely ZT XL.
I actually don’t recommend the Scag Liberty or the Gravely ZT. Both of these have lightweight residential transmissions. They may work for you but for a few hundred more you can get a ZTR with the stronger ZT2800 drives.
This of it this way: EZT-2200 trannys are for the inexpensive ZTR and only for flat land. The ZT-2800 are good residential trannys and can easily handle 5 acres of sloping lawn. The ZT-3100 drives are low-end commercial. If you are mowing 20-25 lawns a week they will last a long time. I would rather see you over-do the tranny’s then to have a cheaper one go bad after 4 or 5 years.
There is no advantage to the chain. It’s just a design preference.
The sweet engine this year is actually the Kohler. They have taken over the top spot from Kawasaki. I don’t mind Kaw – just don’t pay extra for it.
I’ve owned both Scag and Gravely. Both are good brands. so, Do you like red or orange in your garage?
Ralph
Thank you. Now I’m going to go test drive the ZT-HD tomorrow, plus this is actually my favorite dealer.
Ed
Paul,
I have about 5 acres of grass on the east side of my house and another 5 acres on the west side and have been using an old International Harvester 140 tractor with 3 point hookup with a Woods Dixie Cutter M5 60 inch mower behind the tractor to mow the large open areas but have also thought about purchasing a larger riding mower instead of using the tractor. I currently have a Cub Cadet SLT1554 riding mower with 54 inch cut from 2006 but am having trouble with the transmission drive belt and having someone install it correctly. I was wondering if I should have the Cub Cadet fixed or buy a larger mower which can do the work of the tractor and Woods mower or stick with what I have.
Paul
Hi Ed, Many people mistakenly think that a zero-turn mower will mow fields. They don’t. Zero-turn mowers and riding mowers only mow up to about 4 inches. They don’t at 5-6 inches like your Woods and they won’t mow down grass 12 inches or taller. Now, if you are willing to mow your 10 acres every other week or so then a ZTR could make sense. But to mow 10 acres or more and have a machine that will last you will need to spend $8000 or so.
A new 30 hp compact tractor will run you more than $15,000.
If you trade-in the Cub Cadet is not worth a lot but the 140 can be worth up to $5000.
So, if you want to spend that much than lets talk about a ZTR. If you don’t I suggest fixing up the Cub Cadet. Have a dealer check the idler pulleys and make sure the transmission mounts are tight.
Ed
Thanks. I was also wondering if the Woods M5 mower might betoo heavy for the lift of the 140 because a bolt on the left side of the 140 which goes into part of the lift often becomes warped and not straight as it should. The Woods mower weight around 481 pounds. But, that is the only thing I have noticed which might concern me. Also a person who is not licensed to fix lawn mowers recently returned the Cub Cadet and said to have put the new transmission drive belt on which broke after ten years and I did not own a impact wrench to remove the 3/8 inch bolt under the clutch pulley but now, something has happened near the pulley under the engine which the transmission belt loops around and it appears the new belt has started to come off in shreds and the mower will barely go forward or reverse. I will contact an authorized repair person.
Paul
Hi Ed, Yes, those old Woods mowers are heavy. I had a Kubota that could pick up the mower but the front end was too light. You had to stand up and bend way over the steering wheel to put the tractor/mower on and off a trailer 🙂 I would think though the 140 could handle the weight. My uncle designed that tractor to be pretty tough (my uncle actually designed the 40 and 60 series Farmalls)
It’s very easy to get the belt around a belt guide wrong. If the person is not paying attention (or experienced on that tractor) they can easily miss a belt guide and the belt will shred quickly.
Tristan
Hi Paul. In Winnipeg, Canada. Love the site – so helpful! Am trying to decide between the Toro Timecutter SW5425 and SWX5050. My yard is 4 acres; 5ish degree slope in the front, ~1.5 acres I only started mowing a yr ago is still a bit rough. From what I can tell the key difference between them is the fabricated deck on the 5050. Would that be worth the extra cost given the roughish area I have or would the 54 inch deck be a better choice? Thanks a lot.
Paul
Hi Tristan, The SWX series is all around a heavier duty unit. Larger frame, fabricated deck, heavier transmissions, and of course arm rests. It is worth the extra cost.
Brian
Paul, need a final validation before pulling the trigger on an Exmark Quest S Steering 50″ this week. It seems like a very solid machine. I’d go with the Toro SWX, but the $700 rebate on these Exmark’s is tough to beat, plus no interest for 42-months is a no-brainer. Exmark dealer is nearby and very solid, too.
Will I be able to pull an aerator or a cart with this? Has the 2800 transmissions in it. I need to be able to pull a cart for sticks/limbs and to be able to aerify my lawn when needed.
Thanks so much in advance!
Paul
Hi Brian, yes you can do those tasks with it!
Mike
Paul,thanks for this site!. I have learned a lot.
I have had a Toro rider, which i got rid of when my yard was made more into a garden with grass accents than a yard. you hit the nail on the head about their value and ability.
we are purchasing a 2 acre property, abt half flat, half on a 3-5 degree long slope. smooth, well kept.no trees per se, no fencing. (per your comments, the owner stays away from the creek/pond at the bottom – you can see where he stops mowing and goes in with a DR brush cutter.) He has a great dane ztr (unsure of the model, looks the the ‘Brutus’; a seat, front deck, roll bar, and appears to be about a 60″ or so. he says it’s 900 hrs on the meter, it appears to be well kept (garaged and serviced), no rust, etc. I haven’t looked at it closely yet . Parts are apparently still avail (Great Dane is OOB).
He wants to sell it to me for 2500.00. Anything i need to look at more closely? a good deal? (meaning would you buy it?)
Paul
Hi Mike, I don’t do used on this blog. There are too many things that can be wrong. But, I do know Great Dane Mowers and I’ll help you a little. Great Dane is now owned by Ariens. Any Ariens or Gravely dealer can get you parts. Great Dane is a company started by one of the founding fathers of the zero-turn mower industry – Dane Scag. Dane originally started BOB-CAT mowers, sold it off, Scag mowers, sold it off, started Great Dane, sold it to John Deere. John Deere sold it back Dane’s kid. Dane was quite the character and a serial entrepreneur. Dane Scag invented or improved many of the equipment landscapers use today. I actually gave him a design that became the second generation stand-on mower. The basic design is still used today.
The Brutus was one of the last models made under the Great Dane brand. That actually means it was one of the better zero-turns on the market in 2006 ish. It uses independent pumps and motors so if one does go bad it’s not as expensive to repair. The entre mower is pretty straight forward and durable. 900 hours is about right for a 2005 ish ZTR on 2 acres. I doubt it was ever used commercially. They sold for about $6000 new and the comparable mower today is over $8500. I know the brand and the mower so if I was buying that house I would be trying to convince my wife to get the ZTR also. Yes, the price is reasonable.
Mike
thanks, Paul – my commercial landscaping client said the same thing. I inspected it hard this morning. well maintained mechanically, no rust, cracks dents, serviced professionally yearly – one bogey wheel on the front is well worn, the other is brand new. belt good, zerks have fresh grease. blades are decent, prob last year was when they were changed. (it’s the wife’s mower btw, she’s the groundskeeper). I also watched the neighbor property being mowed while onsite – that crew was using the stand behinds, (2 guys/machines) Toro’s – they made quick work of 3+ acres. 4 men, 2 ride on’s, one string trimmer, one walk behind. wham, bam, thank you ma’am and they were gone. not bad. may buy the mower, and get a price from them to mow, and tell the mrs I spent all morning mowing? 🙂
Paul
Hi Mike, Yes, I was one of the first contractors in the Chicago area to switch to ZTR’s. I went from three standard 7 man crews down to one 3 person and one 2 person crew – 1. a 60 inch ZTR, a 60 inch Stand-on and one person string trimming and pulling weeds for the commercial works. 2. A 48 inch Walker and 36 inch Walk-behind for the delicate/residential jobs. We could do 600 properties a month with that set-up.
Mitch McCullough
Hi Paul, Your site is very helpful!
I have a John Deere 1026R with a lot of attachments (front-end loader/forklift, tiller, snowblower, box blade) and find it very useful, though when using the forklift wish it was more robust. Installing and removing the mower deck is not as easy as portrayed, and I often find myself struggling and spending too much time to make the switch to mow. I have a bagging setup for it, but hooking that up is involved, and it cannot handle heavy grass, which is the very time I want a bagger.
I’m thinking a dedicated mower might save me a lot of aggravation.
We have nearly 6 acres. About a third of it is level but can be wet, as it abuts a wooded wetland. The rest is sloped. Some of it is rough, and I am guessing was once a plowed field with rows. Beats me to death. Would like better ride quality.
I recently purchased a DR field and brush mower for common reed and clearing that I haven’t yet used.
We don’t fertilize and don’t water much and do not require an immaculate lawn. We view parts of it as more of a meadow. We have chickens. I would like to bag when the grass gets heavy.
Haven’t been able to decide even what type of mower is best, much less brand and model. I like the regional John Deere dealer, which sends a mobile unit to service me, and I like the local Toro dealer.
Suggestions?
Mitch
Northern New Jersey
Paul
Hi Mitch, Yes, Forks work well with forklifts and rear mounted lifts but unless you have a 50 HP or larger tractor forks don’t work well at all on the front. Even medium sized skid-steers have issues with forks.
I’ve been trying to come up with a reasonable solution and I keep going back to what my father has. He has 5 acres of lawn with about half of that former corn fields. Plus, he mows about 2 miles of trails through an old pasture/timber. He also has 1/4 miles of driveways to clear snow.
Like you he has a New Holland Boomer with a mid mount deck. He thought that was the perfect solution and works well for the trails and the areas away from the house, but it just doesn’t do a good job near the house.
He ended up finding a good used ExMark LazerZ commercial mower. It has a suspension seat and will mow the 5 acres in a little over an hour. I can’t say it is smoother to mow with, but it’s so much faster that it flies over the bumps.
Finding a good used commercial mower can be a real crap-shoot. You really need a mechanic who knows used equipment to help you find one that won’t nickle and dime you. A new commercial ZTR with a suspension seat is well over $8000 plus another $2000 for a bagger. So, let carry on this conversation. Is that what you are interested in or do you want to spend a lot less?
Pat
Thanks for all the info in helping me make my decision, Paul! It’s a great service that you’re doing here.
I found what I think is a good deal on a Husqvarna PZ60 at ~$8350, down from it’s roughly $11K MSRP, so I’m going for it. It seems to be a great machine that will do more than I need it to, and will hold a decent resale value.
The only decision remaining is the Kohler EFI 31 HP engine or the Kawasaki FX921V 31HP (not EFI). The dealer has both.
Paul
Hi Pat, The dealers have been saying Kohler is really great to work with if your ever have a problem. Most of the time the dealer can make repairs without getting a pre-approval. EFI is the way to go. A lot better fuel mileage and the engines run a lot better on today’s crappy gas.
Dewey
Hi Paul,
I’ve been reading a lot of the Q & A’s but really haven’t gotten a real good feel for what i plan doing.
I am moving to southern Florida soon and have a house with approx. 1/4 acre yard with a few obstacles that have plenty of space to get around. I also want to pick up maybe 10 or so properties with yards similar to mine just for something to do and get some extra beer money. Could you give me your opinion on a ztr that would fit the bill?
I’ve got info overload and could use your help
Thanks
Paul
Hi Dewey, I really don’t do commercial mowers here. Yes, you need a high end residential or low end commercial ZTR for 10 lawns. Why? Because with 10 lawns you are doing 10 times the work a residential mower is designed for. The machine will wear out 10 times faster. So, if the machine usually lasts 10 years – it will only last one year on 10-15 lawns.
$4000 minimum, $6000-8000 is better. Minimum ZT2800 drives, ZT3100 or ZT3400 are better.
Don’t forget to spend the money on a good gas powered pole saw. There is good money in trimming palms.
Dewey
Thank you very much Paul, i appreciate your advice.Just one more question on the high end residential. Do you have a make or model you think is best?
Thanks again
Dewey
Paul
Hi Dewey, To decide on the best mower you really need to take a look at the clientele you want. If you are moving down from north of the Mason Dixon Line I would take some time and learn how the landscapers mow in the area you are moving too. It’s a lot different than northern grasses. Some people just want the grass knocked down and others want it looking better than a golf course. Are you going to side discharge, mulch or bag. Do you have a place to put grass clipping and debris.
ExMark, Toro, Scag, Wright, Walker in that order are the most popular. You can’t go wrong with the commercial models of these brands. Walker is very popular and I notice quite a few good used ones for sale in Florida.
I’m sure some of the south Florida readers will be glad to chime in here and help.
Pat
Hi Paul,
Scag Tiger Cat STC61V-26CV-EFI
Husqvarna MZT61 (2015 leftover at one place) $5499, 2016 at another for ~$5800
PZT61 ~$7500
I haven’t come across Grasshopper or Country Clipper but will Google for local dealers now
Paul
Hi Pat, The commercial guys will all say, “Get the Scag” The Tiger Cat is a very well built and dependable unit. It has the best cut of the models you listed.
Ferris is trying but they have a poor reputation from earlier models. There were too many moving parts in the suspension system and it shook itself apart.
Husqvarna is also trying and they are getting some traction in the southeast. But ExMark, Toro, Scag have so much of the market that there is little room left for the other 40 manufactures. Husqvarna is one of those brands trying to get a toehold. For your property the Husqvarna will last.
Tim Aberle
Tim in NE Kansas. I have a Cub Cadet LXT 1046 lawn tractor that was sufficient for my old lawn of about .75 acres. I recently moved and my yard is now about 1.5 acres and I plan to expand it within the next two years to 2.5 to 3 acres. I also mow a 3 acres lawn at my business. Currently I am using my brother’s JD Z655 so that I can get the lawns mowed in a reasonable time. My yard is about 70% slopes, has quite a few trees/obstacles and is a fairly rough. I am looking at trading the LXT 1046 off at my local Cub Cadet dealer for a either a Cub Cadet PRO Z 154S EFI, Z FORCE SX 54KW or a TANK SZ 54KW. I am looking at this as an investment and hope for it to last 20+ years. Do you suggest any of these over another or should I be looking at something else?
Paul
Hi Tim, for six acres, hauling it back and forth, and some rough spots I would go with the Tank. It’s a heavy duty mower and will last. (The z-force would be good for your 3 acres) Now, don’t pay extra for the Kawasaki engine, the new Kohler engines are as good or better than the Kaw’s
Pat
Hi Paul,
Thanks so much for your prior response. I’m following up after speaking with several dealers. You’ve steered me away from 72″. I am now deciding between a 61″ Ferris, Scag, or Husqvarna, the Husqvarna being the lowest priced.
I’m being guided towards the Ferris 2100 with the Vanguard 810cc/28HP EFI engine over the Kohler or Kawasaki, or Briggs & Stratton. I’d love to hear your thoughts on these three mfrs and on the various different engines I can get.
Thanks again!
Mowing ~6.5 ac. mostly open, gentle slope old pasture land
Paul
Hi Pat, If you don’t mind would you please give me the model numbers of the Scag and Husqvarna units. The Ferris is a $9000 plus ZTR and Husqvarna makes a 61 inch from $4999 to $10,000. Have you looked at Grasshopper and Country Clipper?
John D
Hi Paul,
Thank you for your advice and expertise. I have learned a lot in two days from your site since my Craftsman 54″ lawn tractor died. I have a 1.4 acre property with approximately 1.2 acres requiring to be mowed. It is fairly flat and not glass like, but relatively smooth. There are a few rough areas around tree lines, however. It usually takes me about 2 hours to cut, trim and clean up. I am a big fan of quality equipment and willing to pay a bit for it. I am searching for a machine that 1) is long lasting, 2) will provide a quality cut, and 30 will reduce my cutting time. I would like to also continue using the machine to pull attachments for activities such as mulching, yard waste clean-up, seeding/fertilizing and occasional aeration. I have researched both lawn tractors and ZTRs your thoughts on an appropriate machine would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
John D
Blue Bell, PA
Paul
Hi John, If you want to get done faster we are going to have to find a mower that will most the open areas faster and go around the areas to trim closer.
Both of the mowers I am going to suggest have a smaller deck than your old Craftsman but they will trim faster and mow the open areas faster.
The first one is the 50 inch Craftsman Pro Tractor model 20443. It has the 5 inch turn-tight steering so it will trim a lot closer than your old tractor. It also mows very well so you can increase your mowing speed by 1 or 2 mph. It has a heavy duty transmission and larger tires so it rides well. I expect you can speed up your mowing chore by 20%.
The second mower is the Craftsman Pro Series 48” 24 HP V-Twin Kohler Fabricated Deck Zero Turn Riding Mower. This one will mow faster yet and is a lot more manueverable for trimming. It has heavy-duty ZT-2800 transmissions so you can pull the stuff you list without worrying about tearing up the ZTR. This will save another 15-20% for a total of 35-40% time savings over your old Craftsman.
Sam Ferrara
Hi Paul,
I have decided to purchase a Cub Cadet Z-Force 48 from my local dealer. I writing you to ask whether I should consider purchasing a new 2012 model at a discounted cost rather than a 2016 model. What makes my decision more difficult is that the discount price for the 2012 model is $3,300 is based on a list price of $4,199 which sits between the list prices for the 2016 Z-Force models ($3,599 for the L model and $4,900 for the LX model. My dealer promotes the 2012 model as being superior in quality and performance versus the 2016 L model which he has in stock but I am not so certain about that. I compared the specs of the 2012 model against the 2016 L and LX models and I concluded that the specs of the 2012 model as being nearly the same as the 2016 L model which lists for $600 less than the 2012 model which leads to two questions. First, is the 2012 model higher in quality and performance than the 2016 L model and second, if the 2012 model is more similar to the 2016 L model why is the list price for the 2012 model $600 more than the 2016 L model. Please explain and provide me your recommendations on whether the 2012 model priced at $3,300 is of greater value than the 2016 L model at priced at $3,599? Thank you.
Paul
Hi Sam, The problem with a 2012 was that in 2012 no one wanted a zero-turn from Cub Cadet. Cub Cadet had developed a poor reputation with the lawn tractors at that time and that reputation was carrying through to the Zero-Turns. I remember a local retail store put one on clearance in 2013 and it got down to $1999 before someone bought it.
I realize he’s probably been paying interest on the money owed on that ZTR but only $300 off of a mower that’s sat around for 4 years? As far as I know the only thing different is the new models have larger fenders and a different engine. The Kohler 7000 on the 2016 model has a lot better reputation than the Kohler Courage that probably on the 2012. (If it has a Kohler Command or Kawasaki – those engines are ok)
A used 2012 with 650 hours is going for about $2600. Personally, I’d be a lot happier paying less than $3000.
Sam Ferrara
Thank you Paul. I appreciate the information you provided and your recommendation and yes, the 2012 model is equipped with a Kohler Courage pro.
John D
Paul,
Your advice and experience is much appreciated! My Sears Craftsman 24 HP 54″ lawn tractor basically died today and I have been on your site ever since. This, of course, is after I went through a period of discovery, presented the facts, deliberated and finally won the case to purchase a new machine with my wife who happens to be an Attorney. We have a 1.4 acre lot with 1.2 of it needing to be maintained. It is fairly flat and smooth, has multiple mulched beds and a few rough areas around tree lines. It takes me about 1.5 hours to mow and another .25 hours to trim. I love working outside, take pride in its appearance and can appreciate solid equipment. With that being said, I was curious as to your recommendation on a machine. I would like to find something that will 1) last, 2) provide a high quality cut and 3) save time. While I like the idea of a zero turn, I am all about finding the right machine (lawn tractor or not). I would like to continue moderate towing such as mulch, debris removal, bagger attachment, an occasional aeration, etc. I have all the attachments already and would hate for them to go to waste. There are many reputable dealers around me and big box stores as well. Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks,
John D
Blue Bell, PA
Paul
Hi John, The tractor I am going to suggest uses a different bagger, everything else will work. I feel this tractor will last and it really does a great job of mowing. I know you will see an improvement over the older Craftsman. The deck is a little smaller but it maneuvers a lot better than your older Craftsman.
Take a look at it here: Craftsman Pro Series 50″ 26 HP V-Twin Kohler Garden Tractor with Turn Tight® Extreme
Jeff
Hi Paul
I have 2 acres of flat yard to mow, no slopes, and lots of trees (50 pines). I’m looking to cut down on my mowing time! I have been mowing for 8 years with a John Deere LX280 54″ mower. Great mower, just looking to buy something to do the same job quicker. Would like to spend $4000 or less. I take good care of my stuff, but I still like to buy something of good quality.
I’ve been considering going to auctions and picking up a used EXMark or Ferris ZTR 54″ or 60″ deck, but am wary of a used machine. As far as local dealers go, I have good service on John Deere, Cub Cadet, and Husqvarna.
I am definitely leaning towards a ZTR. It would be nice to find one in that budget range that can also pull an 825 lb roller behind it. Not sure if that exists…. If not, I can live without being able to pull the roller. Thanks for your advice!!
Paul
Hi Jeff, Yes, I am very cautious of suggesting used equipment. Especially used commercial equipment. Engine rebuilds or new engines are $100 a horse and new transmissions can easily run $1500 or more. Oh, a used Ferris is something to stay away from. Some of the models are seeing stress cracks and other problems with the frames and decks.
Under $4000 I would suggest a ZTR with ZT2800 or ZT3100 transmissions. The Cub Cadet Z-Force, Craftsman Pro, ExMark 50 inch Quest QTE708GEM50200. In your price range Husqvarna wants to sell you a stamped deck (Poulan Pro P54ZXT). I haven’t looked at the new John Deere Z525E with 48- or 54-inch Deck
Robert Speer
Hi Paul,
I have gone to Sutton Tractor and learned a great deal about the difference between Hydrostatic transmissions that are sealed and those that are serviceable. The problem is the cost at around 5K
I have since been reading in your posts about CVT Transmissions. I found a Poulon Pro PB18VA46 for$1399. I believe this might be the way to go on my 2 acre hilly lawn. What is your opinion of Automatic or CVT transmissions vs serviceable hydrostatics? The PoulonPro is at a farm supply and seems to have been discountinued by Poulon. It sounds like a good deal though. It is hard to tell on Amazon..com which ones are CVT and which ones are Hydrostatic.
After several days of research I think I need to make my decision. What would be your choice for my hilly 2 acres.
Paul
Hi Robert, this article shows the hydro models, every other model on Amazon are CVT’s. The 2016 Poulan Pro Lawn Tractors at Amazon are the best deal you can get for 2016.
You are not going to get a serviceable hydro unless you spend over $5000. The X500 Deere’s and Simplicity are the only ones left. Everything else is sealed. So the question becomes. Do you spend $5000-7000 to get a serviceable trans and a tractor that will last 10-15 years or do you spend $1400-2000 and then just throw them out every 5-7 years? At this point in time I’m not betting on the longer life tractors because I think fuels are going to change so much in the next 10 years that you may not be able to run today’s stuff economically 10 years from now.
That Poulan Pro is a good deal. Husqvarna appears to be changing the Poulan Pro focus from “the other brand” for hardware stores to an economical online-only brand.
Robert Speer
Hi Paul,
I have spent endless hours trying to find my next mower.
I posted earlier about my hill. I have been using a John Deere LA500 that I bought 9 years ago.
For the last 2 years after warming up for about 20 minutes the transmission makes a horrendous noises when I try to go up the slightest hills. I have been mowing sideways on my hill instead of up and down. Mowing my 2 acres takes me the whole day, as I have to let it cool down for a couple hours before finishing. Hill Gradient tells me it is 11.7% grade.
My predicament is finding a mower, be it ZTR or tractor that has a hydrostatic transmission that will not go bad after 5 years of mowing. I might add that I lost 165lbs 4 years ago and have kept it off. That may have had something to do with the deteriorating transmission.
Any advise would be appreciated.
Paul
Hi Robert, Yes at that slope the Raptor will do just fine. The EZT2200 transmissions can handle that slope. Be careful the first few times you use it, especially going down hill. ZTR’s have a tendency to not want to turn going downhill but slowing down before you get on the slope helps a lot.
If you are worried about the transmissions holding up then I suggest going to the next size stronger. The ZT2800 transmissions are available on the Raptor HD, Craftsman Pro and a dozen others. Let me know what dealers you have in your area and then I’ll be glad to narrow your choices down.
Robert Speer
Hi Paul,
I have gone to Sutton Tractor and learned a great deal about the difference between Hydrostatic transmissions that are sealed and those that are serviceable. The problem is the cost at around 5K
I have since been reading in your posts about CVT Transmissions. I found a Poulon Pro PB18VA46 for$1399. I believe this might be the way to go on my 2 acre hilly lawn. What is your opinion of Automatic or CVT transmissions vs serviceable hydrostatics?
Paul
@Robert, If you are interested in a flip deck, see if there is a Country Clipper dealer in your area. The CC BOULEVARD is about $1500 less that the Raptor Flip and just as good. Country Clipper Boulevard. Use their dealer locator to check them out.
Jon Schumacher
I’ve got a 5 acre flat lot (other than the septic mound). With a budget of $5,000 or less, what do you recommend?
Do you have an opinion on the Bad Boy Mowers?
Paul
Hi Jon, There are over 40 different ZTR’s that fall into the same category as the $4000 to $5000 Bad Boy’s. OK to better mowers, Average to OK engines, OK to better cutting and bagging. The price is inline with all the other brands. I don’t talk to much about them because the dealer network is still spotty in many areas of the country. They get a lot of press because of their bright orange color and over=the-top advertising at the trade shows.
If you have a good local dealer/support they are a good choice.
Stuart
I am trying to decide between a zero turn and a lawn/garden tractor, I live in Fordoche LA and have a 5 acre yard and about 3 1/2 is mowed lawn the rest rough cut, mostly flat but does have a fair slope towards the front that ends in a bayou and some other small hills and slight slope to the sides of my driveway.. I currently have a Ford 8N that I bush hog with and keep the rough areas cut but want something that finishes cleaner and is easier and safer to operate. My budget is about 3500 dollars and at this time I am leaning towards a lawn and garden tractor so I don’t always have to use my old Ford.
Paul
Hi Stuart. A really good choice for you would be the Cub Cadet XT2 garden tractor. Check it out here: Cub Cadet XT2 GX54″ GARDEN TRACTOR WITH FABRICATED DECK It has larger wheels so it rides well. It has a fabricated deck so you can do the finish mowing and the rough cut areas without wearing out the deck in a few years. I looked up your closest dealer and it’s:
Billy’s Inc.
5281 I-49 South Service Rd.
Opelousas , LA 70570
(337) 948-9009
billysinc5281@bellsouth.net
Tom
Hi Paul,
I just killed my Sears 420cc 42 inch mower and economically need to replace it. I’ve been on my property for 2 years now, 2 acres with 3/4 acres of grass around the house and 1 1/4 acres horse paddock, which is fenced in to 3 paddocks, so a lot of mowing going close to fencing.. The mower was good, but really lacked power in the pastures (estimated, not published at about 13hp). I mow around the edges and in to the center in a circle and the turning radius was not great, but OK except for the last little bits, 18″ is advertised. I have a drainage channel outside the front that is on 15-20 degrees and I could get most of it dangerously with the old mower, but something better at slopes would help here.
The land is fairly flat, but VERY bumpy from the horses. When it’s wet they leave 4-5 inch round holes about 6 inches deep in the ground. I bounce around a lot on the mower so something that handles holes would be good, I’m not sure how zero turn little front wheels would do here. We also get a lot of water and often I have to mow damp grass with standing water (about 0.5 inch), which coupled with the length of grass leads me to think that high horsepower is needed. I tend to mow over sticks and horse manure and my wife also spends a lot of time on it and will need something easy to operate and durable.
I am looking to replace the mower and upgrade in one, and whilst originally I was keen to spend $3000 on a zero turn, I’m now open to all suggestions after reading your “Do you really need a zero turn” post, such as the one you make about the sears pro series tight turn mowers, which come in $1,000 cheaper. I don’t really have a budget, but start to pucker up at $3,500.
It would take me ~45 minutes on the old mower to do around the house and then 2-3 hours to do the paddocks which I did more often than desirable because the long grass slowed me down so much.
I have no preference for zero turn or normal tractor, I just want the best mower for my use and would appreciate your input. I expect to need the mower for 3 years after which I will sell, so that is also part of the consideration.
Thanks!
Paul
Hi Tom, Lawn tractors are not designed to mow rough areas like pastures. In particular the Craftsman Lawn tractors are not made for it at all.
Zero-turns under $4000 also are not strong enough to handle that kind of a beating. You really need to get to a Craftsman Pro, Cub Cadet Z-Force, Toro MX series to get something strong enough to last more than a couple of years.
So Tractors, The Craftsman Pro Series 50″ 26 HP V-Twin Kohler Garden Tractor with Turn Tight® Extreme and Craftsman Pro Series 54″ 26 HP V-Twin Kohler Garden Tractor with Turn Tight® Extreme are good choices. The larger tires and turn-tight steering will let you get done faster. The 54 inch deck may be too big. You’ll have to measure between you obstructions. A 54 inch deck takes about 64 inches with the discharge cover down.
If you want a heavier deck and really don’t need the turn-tight steering the Cub Cadet XT2 available at your local Cub Cadet dealer is another good choice. The XT2 GX54″ GARDEN TRACTOR WITH FABRICATED DECK is built like the Craftsman Pro but has a heavy duty deck.
Pat
Hi Paul,
I am in central Virginia and have an 8 acre yard where I need to mow about 5.5 acres. I have been mowing using a big old mid-80s Massey Ferguson 40 HP tractor with an 84″ mowing deck. Maintaining the whole package is becoming a challenge for me so I’m considering a (commercial grade) zero turn. My yard is open, gently sloping and borders a pond on one side. I don’t need to mow right down to the pond so am not concerned about sliding in. I mow parallel to the shore line and it is flat. I’m thinking about either a 60″ or 72″ ZT, but am concerned that I won’t actually be saving any time and, in fact may be dramatically increasing my mowing time. My initial research shows a 72″ to be significantly more than a 60″.
What do you think about the choice between a ZT (60″ or 72″) vs. an even more significantly higher priced new or used tractor which may or may not be powerful enough to pull my 84″ deck? If not then I’ll need to buy a new appropriately sized deck as well.
I’d like to hear your thoughts including how powerful I’d need to go on either choice.
Much appreciated!
Pat
Goochland, VA
Paul
Hi Pat, I always recommend a 60 inch deck over a 72. 72 inch decks are too big unless you have large flat areas like soccer fields to mow. They scalp easily and don’t mow evenly. In addition, they take a lot of power to run, especially if the grass is longer than 6 inches.
Time savings, With your current mower you are mowing at 3-4 miles per hour. That means it’s taking you about 2 1/2 hours to mow. At 60 inch ZTR like an ExMark Lazer Z can mow more than twice that speed so even if you have your time and enjoy the mowing you can easily knock an hour off your mowing time.
Where you live there are probably 20 different dealers. If you walk into any one and say I want to spend about $8000 you will get a good mower. Feel free to listen to their sales speeches and then write back. I’ll be glad to help you make the best choice.
Mark
Hi Paul. Your site is a great source of information. I have 3 acres in the Texas Hill Country outside of Austin. The site includes irrigated Bermuda grass (0.75 acres) and a buried septic field (0.25 acres) that require mowing. The rest of the property is kept natural. I have several stands of trees in the lawn that are outlined with metal edging, a long, curving limestone retaining wall that borders the front lawn, and a wrought iron fence around the lawn in back of the house. Most of the lawn area is gently sloping, and the septic field (which lies outside the back fence) is flat, but a little bumpy. I plan to mow about once a week. Currently I have a lawn service but want to start doing it myself. I’ve never owned a riding mower, and want one that will do the job quickly, provides good quality cut, is capable of towing a fertilizer hopper, and minimizes the amount of trimming I have to do…..am I expecting to find a unicorn?
After reading your site, it’s clear to me that I want something with a durable deck that will stand up to the occasional bump against the retaining wall and bumpy ground in the septic field. I’ve looked at the Cub Cadet RZT L 46 and S 46 models (fab deck), Ariens IKON-X 42 (fab deck), and Toro TimeCutter SS4200 with Smart Speed (not a fab deck). I’d prefer a 46″ deck to be able to trim more easily, but Ariens and Toro don’t seem to offer them, and a 50″+ deck is too big to get through my fence gate. Any advice you can offer would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Will
Paul
Hi Mark, No, a unicorn is trying to find a zero-turn that doubles as a snow machine. The Toro and Ariens ZTR’s have a little smaller wheel base than the Cub Cadet so the 42 inch decks actually stick out of the side of the mower the same as the 46 inch on the Cub Cadet.
All four mowers are a good choice and in my opinion the Ariens is the toughest, then the Cub Cadet S46. The Cub Cadet L46 will be a little faster but I don’t think the transmissions will hold up as long as the S46. The Toro is quite a bit cheaper and because of that the least capable mower of the 4.
Rudy
Hello Paul, I have bookmarked this page and have read it top to bottom numerous times but still remain indecisive of a ZTR or another Lawn Tractor. I am sorry for the following long post but here are the specs of my mowing areas and usage:
Front yard: 1/3 acre, open, not overly rough (some sink holes where pine tree stumps rotted down but am filling when possible), mostly flat with exception of a sloped long ditch bank along a major highway.
Side lot: 1 1/2 acres, flat (with exception of the long ditch but is not near as high sloped as front yard), mostly open with only 3 blueberry bushes & a pear tree.
Back lot: 1/2 acre, 2 pecan trees and 4 mimosa trees, mostly flat with one small slow rolling area.
Backyard: 1/8 acre, flat, half open other half a nightmare with high maple tree roots (I have use a trimmer to cut the grass along the roots).
I have been mowing these areas once a week with a 2000 series Cub Cadet 2166 shaft drive and 42″ deck for 12 years and it is still going strong with very little maintenance other than buying extra blades, (2) batteries, (2) pto to deck belts and servicing the single cyl. 16 h.p. Kohler engine each spring. I also replace the trans filter every couple hundred hours and top off the fluid. I pull a lawn sweeper in the backyard only for leaves and occasionally a dump cart for “this-n-that honey-dos” (bags of top soil, flowers, bush debris, etc.). Based on your professional input and for what all I would use it for would a steering wheel model ZTR tackle these jobs and save me time rather than another tractor? I am in my senior years with a fairly flexible budget and would like to reduce my time mowing although trimming is inevitable. The unit would need to be heavy duty as I and my yard would be a little rough on it at times and I also need a steering wheel for the ditch slopes. I am familiar with Cub but no so much with Toro. We have reputable Cub & Toro dealers in town so service/parts would available on either. The Cub XT3 GS tractor, Z-force S and the new Z100 S ZTRs look appealing, as well as, the Toro Timecutter SWX units. Any input you would offer on good quality “do-it-all” yard machine is greatly appreciated. Taylorsville, MS.
Thanks in advance,
Rudy P.
Rudy
Thank you very much Paul; would you believe I was actually looking at a Z-Force S 48 Commercial w/23.5 Kohler v-twin and external canister filter at the dealership where I got my 2166. He said this unit is a last year’s carry over and has an out the door cash price of $5299.00 + tax which is really tempting. I need the 48″ for gate entry but he did not have an other S 48’s although he could order one. It would be less money for the standard unit but to move up to the commercial unit with heavier transmissions and faster ground speed is something to really think about. Thanks again for your advice and a Z-force S 48 is now on my very short list.
Cassie
We are in Akron, Ohio. Our lawn is 2.5 acres. It is pretty flat except for septic mounds. The lawn is pretty smooth. There are about 25 trees and a few mulched beds. One side is bordered by forest. Our goal is to spend $3.5k or less and want a nice cut but want it to be as quick as possible. Based on what we’ve read, we’d like a zero-turn front deck so we don’t have to trim much. Could you recommend a mower?
Cassie
Thank you, Paul. Let me ask a few follow ups.
1) If we go up in price to around $4K, would any of these 4 models be able to handle pushing snow on a 100′ drive? Or go you recommend against that?
2) How do you recommend we decide between the three all around $4k? They all seem so similar. The major differences to me seem to be:
Cub Cadet: 25 hp, fabricated deck, 3 yr warranty
Husqvarna: 25 hp, stamped deck, 3 yr warranty
Popular Pro: 26 hp, fabricated deck, 2 yr warranty
3) what do you think of the Husqvarna R 220T? Will it be too slow?
Thank you!
Paul
Hi Cassie, I feel the R 220T is too small for 2.5 acres. With the 48 inch deck and half the mowing speed of the zero-turns I think you will be wishing you bought a different mower after a few mows. And even though the Husqvarna Rider is one of the most popular mowers in the world they just can’t get the north Americans interested. I’m not sure they will continue to sell and support it here.
The brands don’t really have snow plows or snow blowers for the zero-turns but there are a couple of aftermarket snow blades for around $700. But let’s talk about a snow blade. Where you live it does make sense to go with a snow blade because of the amount of snow you get but your driveway is very short for a snow blade on a lawn tractor or zero-turn. It would take more time to clear with a blade than it would with a walk-behind snow blower. Instead I suggest the Toro SnowMaster. It’s fast, it will clear snow well for Akron and it will throw the snow away from the driveway. It’ $750-850 and takes up less room in your garage than a push mower. You can read more about it here: Introducing the 2015 Toro SnowMaster – This May Be Your Next Snow Thrower and here: 2015 Toro SnowMaster 724 QXE, 824 QXE Picture Review
I missed that the Husqvarna has a 3 year warranty. I thought they only carried a two year.
Which one should you pick. A lot of people have a brand preference or retailer choice so I try to include a couple different brands. Some people also have a local dealer they have done business with in the past and like them. If you don’t have a choice of your own then I select the Cub Cadet out of the three. It’s a strong zeero-turn that will last you years. It cuts well and rides well. It’s the easiest to adapt a snow blade to if you decide to go that way. Nordic Auto Plow LLC Zero Turn Mower Plow, 49″ L and TerraGrips Tire Chains 20×8-8 [ST90001]
Paul
Hi Cassie, Here is the exact mower on cubcadet.com. https://www.cubcadet.com/equipment/cubcadet/zero-turn-riding-mowers/z-force-l-lx-series/z-force%3Csup%3E-reg%3B%3C-sup%3E-l-54-kh-2016-zforcel54. In reality, the “Big Box store products aren’t as quality” is a myth put out by some shoddy dealers. The truth is at Home Depot all the items are also available through the brand websites and the brands dealers. What may be confusing for some people is in addition there are some products that the brands make that are dealer only. For example, John Deere only sells the X300 series tractors at the dealers but both the dealers and Home Depot carry the 100 series. The 100 series tractors are exactly the same.
MTD does not play games with the Cub Cadet brand. This is their best quality and they do their best to give you a dependable, long lasting zero-turn for the money. The Z-Force is their high end residential series and the quality is comparable or better than all the other zero-turns in this price range. Keep asking – I’ll keep answering.
Cassie
Hi Paul,
I couldn’t respond to your last message in this thread so this is regarding HD versus the dealer product. The mower on Cub Cadets website has KH in the name but this isn’t on HD’s website. Do you know what that would represent?As well, the weight in HD is 160 pounds more (HD website – 900 lb, CC website 740 lb) so I was concerned they were different products.
Paul
Hi Cassie, What even makes this all that much harder to figure out is no one is using the actual model number – it looks something like this 19A30018100. I wish they would just use the model number instead of trying to reinvent a numbering system for each retail store.
The hood label and the website number usually include a designation for the engine. (some other brands also list the type of transmission) So KH is a Kohler engine, BS is a Briggs & Stratton engine, C is Cub Cadet engine and KW is Kawasaki. Home Depot is not using that letter designation.
Cassie
Hi Paul,
A few more questions:
1) If we’re sticking with that $4k number, do you recommend the John Deere Z-Trak Z525E? It goes 8.5 mph, but I know that doesn’t mean it’s superior or will cut well at that speed.
2) If we go with the Cub Cadet Z-Force L, would you get the 60″ instead of the 54″? It’s only $100 more.
3) The same Z-Force products on HD’s website vs Cub Cadet say they have a taller seat (18″ on HD, 15″ on CC), etc. Do you think it’s just a mistake or do you think they change the product?
Paul
Hi Cassie, I am way behind this week so thanks for the gentle reminder.
1) You are correct, top speed has nothing to do with mowing speed and I don’t expect the stamped deck on the John Deere to mow well above 6 MPH or so. I may be wrong…. The John Deere Z-Trak Z525E is new so No One has had a chance to test it yet. In general stamped decks like the John Deere cut better but fabricated decks like the Cub Cadet last longer and will take more abuse. That said, John Deere has yet again come out with another deck! They keep changing and changing and changing. The Deck on the Cub Cadet mows well and really doesn’t need improving. And then you know the joke about Green paint costing extra….
2) I’ve always been a big fan of 60 inch decks. The additional length of each blade always made the 60 seem to mow better. When I mowed commercially I could always tell the difference between a 48 and 60 inch deck.
3) Home Depot doesn’t change features on the Cub Cadet products so I have a feeling their website in incorrect. The pictures are the same so I’m going to say the seat height is 15 inches for both. The only way you could tell for sure is to get the model/serial number off the HD unit and then compare it to the parts list.
Robert Speer
Hi Paul,
I have about 2 acres with a portion of it about a 25 degree slope. I had been thinking of a ZT such as a Hustler for around 3,000. I currently have a lemon of a mower. John Deere LA155 with the horrible transmission. After it warms up it will not go up hills. It is basically a throw away. What is your recommendation for my slope?
Thank You,
Bob Speer
Paul
Hi Robert, There are no mowers under $45,000 that will mow a 25 degree slope. If you have mowed it in the past it is not that steep. The Hustler Raptor will also not handle that slope. It is too light and the transmissions will fail within 100 hours or so. Do me a favor and take another look at your slope. Use the slope gauge I have listed below.
The slope at the Daytona Speedway is only 31 degrees or 17% slope.
I have an app on my Android phone called Hill Gradient that I use to check slopes.
All I know is these slopes are too steep:
You can print this slope gauge out and use it on your lawn.
https://todaysmower.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/mowing_slope_chart_right.pdf
Robert Speer
Hi Paul,
I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your quick response.
Hill Gradient tells me it is 11.7% or 1 in 9 or 6.7 degrees
What do you think?
Paul
Hi Robert, Yes at that slope the Raptor will do just fine. Be careful the first few times you use it, especially going down hill. ZTR’s have a tendency to not want to turn going downhill but slowing down before you get on the slope helps a lot.
Keith
Hey Paul, I live in the area of Albany, GA (southwest GA) on 1.2 acres. It is basically flat but the front yard slightly slopes down toward the street. There is a drainage ditch with enough of a slope that I can’t mow it with my Honda Harmony 2013 (36″ cut I think). My neighbor (bless his soul) often cuts it for us with his zero-turn and I finish it with my push mower! The Honda is in its eighteenth season and I am ready to replace it. My wife, who likes to cut, thinks she wants a zero-turn. Our yard has a number of trees and other plantings, some exposed roots (pine, oak, and ornamental pear), several depressions from removed pines, and we have our share of mole tunnels. I do use my mower to tow a utility cart and a lawn sweeper. I would like both mulching and bagging options. Any suggestions?
Matt Newsome
Thanks so much for the article!
My goal is to get around 20 residential yards to mow. It’s northeast Alabama, so there are hills and slopes. I want to spend less than $10000. The less the better, but I don’t want to spend $1500 on a mower if it is not going to last long or be breaking down all the time with the above work load.
Thanks in advance,
Matt
Paul
Hi Matt, I really don’t recommend commercial mowers. I stick with helping residential customers. That said, I would take a look at your local dealers and talk to them. It really doesn’t do any good for me to suggest a mower if your local dealer is an idiot.
Myself, for production mowing I like stand-ons the best. Toro and ExMark are always good mowers. Gravely and Wright also have some really nice stand-ons.
The best finish zero-turn mowers are Walker. If you have a lot of bagging or very intricate lawns there is nothing better. Followed by ExMark and Gravely. Some guys like Scag and Dixie Chopper but I’ve never had good dealers in my area.
Husqvarna is trying but I don’t suggest them for your first commercial mower. Also stay away from the Spartan, Grasshopper, Country Clipper, and Kubota as your first mower.
mike
Hey Paul I’m looking to buy my first zero turn mower. I have about 1/4 acre tall (fescue) I think, very flat lawn with few bumps and holes with one tree. Looking for a mower that is the right size and will last a long time and also get the job done fast. I have no width restrictions so I’m thinking bigger is better but I don’t want to make the wrong dicission by buying too big of a mower that I will regret in the future. I have always been partial to husqvarna but I’ve seen alot of terrible reviews online. Louisville ky. Thanks in advance.
Joshua Butler
Hey Paul, I’m about to purchase my first zero turn. After looking at reviews and talking to folks I’ve narrowed it down to a Husqvarna MZT 61. My yard is right at 5 acres, mostly flat, with only a few trees. Is 61 a decent size? I’ve heard when you get to big, the mower is more prone to scalping. I originally looked at 52, but the dealer has the 61 on hand. What’s your opinion on this Husqvarna zero turn or their zero turns in general? Probably going with the Kawasaki engine. Any opinions on it or the Briggs? Thank you sir.
Paul
Hi Joshua, To answer your question about if it’s a decent size – I could mow your 5 acres with a 61 inch in about 1 hour and 9 minutes.
Personally, as a mowing contractor I always bought 61 inch mowers. I found overall they cut better than the 48-52’s because the blades are longer – which gives you better lift.
You will quickly learn the few places where it will scalp and you’ll figure out how to mow those areas.
I don’t have a preference of the Kawasaki or the Briggs. Both of these engines are commercial rated so both of them will last for 2000 hours or more before they need any real work done to them. I would not pay extra for the Kawasaki. In other words if the dealer has a 61 on hand don’t worry about the engine on it. You didn’t say where you lived so I’ll guess you mow 30 times a year. That means either engine on your lawn should last 53 years.
Derek
Hi Paul,
Thanks for putting together all this great information and for actually responding to comments and the many, many additional questions this post have created for you! Of course I have a few of my own for you:
I just moved my new family to Florida (Merritt Island) and we’re sitting on a 1.5 Acre property…which will be in need of mowing. From what I’ve gathered we’ve got Bahia grass and I’ve heard it can be tricky to cut. I’ve never had acreage, never owned a home, never had to mow a lawn (let alone deciding what type of riding mower to get). I read a review some time ago about a Cub Cadet 42in mower that has an EFI engine (XT2 LX42 EFI) – but a local dealer dissuaded me from this model (said the engines were being built in China, and no-one in the area knows how to fix EFI engines if there’s problems. In the same stroke they also advised I go with a better deck instead of the more flimsy ones on that XT2. The dealer proceeded to show me a Huqsvarna mower with a Kawasaki engine (YT42XLS). He was going to give me a good deal on it because he had 14 sitting at his dealership (wonder why..if they’re good?). I wasn’t able to find many reviews on that model…so I decided to go home and research more. Oh – the dealer also advised me to stay away from big box stores as all the machines they sell there are crap.
Today, I happened to be at a big box store and saw a Toro Timecutter SS5000 – also with a Kawasaki engine..but this was a ZTR. The little marketing banner advertised that this thing could mow and tow…and I would like to be able to tow at least a spreader since the yard has fleas, ticks, and every type of ant you can imagine.
To wrap it all up for your advice:
1.5 Acres of Bahia Grass
No real obstacles along the way
Minor slope at one point since home was built on fill to keep water draining away
Lots of little holes everywhere from some type of animal
Need to be able to tow a spreader at least once every few months to treat for insects
Would like to stay under $3000
I’m open to any and all suggestions – complete greenhorn!
Thanks so much!!
Derek
Hi Paul,
I can’t thank you enough for your advice! He was going to give me the YT42XLS for $2399 with a spreader for an extra $50 – it sounded like a good deal.
To clarify something about the Toro I saw at HomeDepot – it actually has a 23HP Kawasaki Twin Engine – it doesn’t seem to be available on their website (the site says Toro Engine) but I even took a picture of the thing at the store. Do you still recommend the SS5000 with the Kaw engine or am I better off getting it with the standard Toro engine?
Thanks again for your feedback and help! If you’re ever in town please feel free to drop me a line and I’d gladly treat you to a beer or two and let you critic my mowing skills!! 🙂
Best regards,
Derek
Paul
@Derek, If you go over to toro.com it shows the details of the 74730. Toro does not use model years so that may be one that sat in the warehouse all winter. Nothing wrong with it. There is nothing wrong with a Kaw motor – a lot of people swear by them. I just don’t think people need to pay a premium price for it anymore.
If you buy that one in the store you’ll get the Kaw, if you use the link to order one it will come with the Toro engine.
Derek
Hi again!
My SS5000 (with the Toro 24.5hp engine) arrived today and I put it to use on the 1.5 acres – let me tell you, it was the most fun I’ve had in a while! I thought there would have been more of a learning curve but I felt it was very intuitive and was mowing and trimming tight quarters from the go. Cleaning was a breeze too. The only thing that bothers me a bit about the machine are the anti-scalping wheels – what is the point of having the convenient lever to adjust blade height when you still have to unbolt and re-bolt the scalping wheels with every height adjustment…or perhaps I’m misunderstanding the point of those wheels.
Either way – just wanted to come back and post how glad I am I went with a ZTR and the Toro – although, I don’t have anything to compare it too!
Would you recommend I use synthetic for this machine? I’m supposed to change oil and filter for first time after 5 hours..so I want to be ready.
Thanks again for the article, the recommendation, and the feedback!
Best regards,
Derek
Paul
Hi Derek, Excellent! The Toro’s are so smooth to use.
I use Mobil One in all of my engines. Car, Truck, Mower, snow blower. And I could be a running advertisement for Mobil One. I’ve been using it forever and never have had an engine failure. I change the oil and filter in the small engines once a year and the cars every 10,000 miles. I currently have two cars here with over 200,000 and they use less than a quart of oil in that 10,000 miles between oil changes.
Yes, anti-scalp wheels are just there to help the deck go over obstructions like the edge of a sidewalk or tree roots. They are not gauge wheels that set the height of the cut like the old John Deere decks. If you mow at 2 inches or shorter leave them in the upper hole. If you mow at 2 inches or longer you may put them in the lower hole. I mow at 3 1/2 – 4 inches and I have some tree roots that could dent my deck to so I would put them in the bottom holes.
Bobby O'D
Hi Paul,
I just bought a 3 acre property in southeast PA that probably has 2.5+ of lawn to mow. It’s pretty flat, has about 15+ trees and obstacles, and is pretty soggy in quite a few areas. The lawn has a fair amount of ruts and I expect more because the traffic related to the septic being replaced asap. I’m considering the 54″ fast auto tight turn 24hp craftsman lawn tractor. The top speed, turning radius, high HP for mulching, mildly rough lawn and ability to haul debris/attach a snow removal device is what has me leaning this way. I’ve read so many reviews I don’t really know which way is up but yours have been most helpful. I can’t find any non marketing type reviews of this mower though. They have a refurbished from the wholesale dept for $500 off not sure if thats a good idea either. I would be open to a zero turn or other lawn tractors you would recommend, storage space is not a problem. Also there are 2 commercial zero turns for sale up the street, x mark w/ 2400 and 1500 hours for around 5k, was considering them as options as well.
Thanks Bobby O’D
Paul
Hi Bobby, I’m always very cautious about suggesting a used mower to anyone. I don’t know how mechanically inclined you are and these mowers can quickly have more repairs that a new one costs. The ExMark’s especially – a replacement engine is $2500 and one transmission is $1400.
For some reason some Sears outlet stores are not putting the full 2 years warranty on the refurbished so that another reason to stay away.
I think the 20408 Craftsman 54″ Fast Auto 24 HP Briggs & Stratton V-Twin Turn Tight® Garden Tractor is a good choice. Just be aware the tractor goes fast for running around the yard and plowing snow but it still mows well at the normal speed, 3-4 mph.
Michael Marrocco
I am considering getting the hustler raptor 52″ please give me your opinion on this mower. thank you.
Paul
Hi Michael, It’s a good mower but I really need to know more about how you will use it. There are 200 good mowers on the market but if your lawn is too big, too small, has hills, is flat, is rough, is smooth you won’t be happy with your purchase.
PLEASE ASK YOUR QUESTION OR LEAVE YOUR REPLY HERE. PLEASE INCLUDE CITY, STATE, HOW BIG IS YOUR YARD, DO YOU HAVE SLOPES? IS IT ROUGH, SMOOTH, ETC.
Dustin
Hi Paul,
when you compare dollar to dollar on all the zero turns, in your opinion, what would you consider the best zero for the money.
I have been partial to the scags since they do last long and maintain there value.
On a side note, I have been looking at getting a 48″ scag Freedom Z zero turn that has 200 hours but looks brand new. It has been used lightly when mowing. Is 4k worth the money on this?
Thanks
Dustin
Paul
Hi Dustin, I can’t answer that unless I know what you are going to use the ZTR for. If you have a very detailed lawn and you want the best cut – you buy a Walker. If you are mowing 100-500 lawns a week you buy ExMarks. Scag makes a decent mower for smaller properties in $5000 range but so does 30 other brands. So, what I’m saying is look at your local dealers. When you get into the $5000-$10,000 price range the dealer and the dealer’s reputation is just as important as the mower itself. If the dealer can’t answer your questions, takes too long for repairs, has no parts in stock, etc. will make you hate your mower – even though the mower may be a great machine.
I’m sorry, I really don’t deal with used equipment. Especially used commercial equipment. A pressure washer and a coat of clear sealer can make even the biggest POS look like a good mower. Unless you have the experience or you know someone who can test the transmissions, engines and moving parts I’d be careful buying a used machine.
Anita
We are trying to decide between a Simplicity 44″ “ReadyStart”, a 42″ Toro SS4225, or a 42″ Cub Cadet RZT S 42. Our lawn is just shy of an acre and pretty flat, with very few obstacles. I have a bad habit of trying to force a normal turning mower into a ZTR by cranking on the steering wheel, so we have decided this time to purchase a ZTR. A friend of ours said to stay away from Cub Cudets–he said the ratings are bad. The salesman said that the only two bad things about the Toro are that (1) the auto choke does not work well in cooler weather, and (2) for some reason, if the battery dies, you can’t push the mower. As you can tell, I’m NOT up on any of this stuff, I just need good advice on what to buy. If you could suggest something, even if it is a different brand, I would GREATLY appreciate it. Thank you!
Brady
Hello!
I live it east Texas on 30 acres and mow about 5-6. I had a scag 60in deck residential(freedom z I believe). I am looking to upgrade to a commercial at least 60 in deck. Mostly flat with so hills. Lots of fence and trees to mow around. Trying to decide best brand and model. Looking at exmark, kubota, and Dixie chopper. What are you thoughts/recommendations? I would like to stay under the 9-10000 range.
Paul
Hi Brady, I really don’t get into the commercial equipment here. There are too many to keep straight – that said. I’ve always been very happy with the ExMark Lazer Z. I had them 20 years ago and they were just tanks back then. Today they are even better. The commercial operators and owners like them well enough that they have 50% of the commercial market.
Kubota, Country Clipper, Big Dog and Grasshopper cater to the rural lifestyle market. Don’t be afraid to look hard at any one of them if you have a good dealer nearby.
Dixie Chopper is now owned by Jacobson/Textron. They are shiny but no better than the rest of the pack.
I suggest starting at the ExMark dealer. They are all trained to work with you and find the right model for your property. Learn from him. Then go and compare the other brands that have local dealers. By knowing what the ExMark dealer teaches you – you can make an informed decision on the best ZTR for you. p.s. I like suspension seats like ExMark offers instead of suspension axles or flexible front casters. If you have any other questions feel free to ask.
Theresa
Hi,
I have an acre or so to mow but…it has about 75 pine trees and lots of bushes. The biggest grass area may be about 40 yards squared. To add to this, there are a multitude of roots and uneven patches in the yard. No slopes other than the front ditch but a nightmare none the less. I have always used a Husqvarna lawn tractor but I am considering a zero turn. Would you recommend a zero turn for a yard like this?
Mike
Hi Paul,
We just bought a property with 3 acres to mow, pretty much open with a slight slope. Been trying to read up and compare different ZTR’s until my head is about to spin. I am somewhat leaning on towards the Scag 52″ Liberty Z with 24HP Kohler 7000 Series Engine for just under $5000 which is the max I want to spend. Reading through the posts I did’t find this mower mentioned. What are your thoughts/experience with the Liberty Z?
Thank you,
Mike
Troy, MO
Paul
Hi Mike, I do this site by myself so I haven’t had the time to talk about the dozens of mid-priced ZTR’s. As long as you stay with an American built machine and a local dealer just about every one is a good mower for a property like yours. Scag was always a commercial only brand but decided to jump into the homeowner machines a couple of years ago. I trust Scag to make a good machine. The Liberty has the better ZT-2800 Drives, and a good, solid, welded construction all around. If you have a good local dealer – you will like the machine.
I suggest you spend a little extra and get the arm rests and rear hitch. Arm rests take the strain off your shoulders when using the taller lap-bars.
A F
Hi Paul,
It looks like you’ve already answered a similar question for Malcom dated March 17, but the models I’m looking at are smaller than his. I am considering buying either the John Deere X350 48″ Deck Riding Mower or the Z525E 48″ Deck Zero Turn both with a bagging kit. My yard is approximately 1/2 acre of lawn and fairly flat, I would be using it to mow the lawn, willow leaves and their small branches. We do have a creek that runs next to the property but the terrain isn’t too sloped to go over. There is only a $300 price difference and was hoping you could steer me to the right decision. Thank you!
Paul
Hi AF, Of course I have to say that you can get a mower that cuts just as well, turns tighter and has power steering for a lot less: Craftsman Pro Series 46″ 24 HP V-Twin Kohler Power Steering Riding Mower with Turn Tight® Extreme. That said,
If speed is your thing then I suggest the ZTR. You should be able to mow your 1/2 acre in about 20 minutes with the Z525E. I don’t know enough about the X350. Consumer Reports states that deck cuts very well. (on the X300) If you have good local John Deere dealer it will be a great mower and holds it’s trade-in value at the Deere dealers. You should not have traction problems with either one around the creek but please stay at least two mower widths away from the water. Creek banks can get soft and you don’t want to tip over into the creek.
A F
Thank you, Paul! I appreciate your input and answering our questions!
Nam Tran
Paul, thank you for the great information you provided on your site. Yours is one of the most informative sites on lawn mower that I could find. I am trying to decide between Cubcadet RZT-S46 (zero turn with steering wheel – EZT-2200) and ZForce-L48 (lab bar with ZT-2800). My lawn is less than 1/2 acre, but there are some areas pretty sloppy (20-25 degree). Which one would you recommend? Thanks in advance.
Nam
Thanks for the quick reply, Paul. Do you think the Hustler Raptor SD would handle the slop well? I think I will put 50-60hrs a year on the mower. I am fine with either the lab bar or steering wheel. Just looking for something well built and reliable. This will be my biggest investment for my lawn so far, so hopefully try to get the most for my buck.
Paul
Hi Nam, The manufactures only rate their mowers for 15 degree slopes. I can’t tell you they would work on steeper slopes. That said, there are a whole bunch of $4000-$6000 mowers that have the heavy-duty transmissions, wide stance and heavy-duty components. The Raptor HD is better than the $3000 Raptor but if you want to go with Hustler I would suggest the Fastrak. All around it is a stronger zero-turn
Harvey Guilford
Hello Paul,
I don’t have a separate handbrake and I did check all the switches and fuses. When this first started happening the engine would die immediately so like you I thought it had to be an electrical issue. After verifying all the electrical components were functioning properly I continued trying to get the PTO to engage which it would, but only at full power (max RPM). It has never done this before and I was always able to engage the PTO at around 75% power to save wear and tear on the clutch. The PTO is putting an extremely heavy load on the engine which is making it stall. After a complete tune-up I have got it to work but something still isn’t right. The issue isn’t completely resolved but at least I can use this mower again. Thanks for your help!
Paul
Hi Harvey, I’ll play “mr obvious” just a little more. Take some time and check the belt, bearings and underside of the deck. I would loosen the deck belt and then spin each blade by hand to make sure they all spin freely. Sometimes grass, rope, string etc wraps around the spindles and you can’t see it. Leaving the belt loose I would also start the engine and then engage the clutch. Be careful, so that you don’t wrap the belt around everything. When you engage the clutch with the belt loose it should not pull the engine down at all. If it does you may have a clutch going bad and you need to have a mechanic check it.
Harvey Guilford
Thanks for the advice, Paul. It’s one of the weirdest things I’ve ever seen. Switches, spindles, clutch all check good. A couple of days ago I was warming it up and when I pulled on the PTO it came right up like nothing was wrong. I still had the choke on but didn’t think anything of it. Yesterday I went to use it and once again when I pulled on the PTO the motor stalled. So I pulled on the choke to where the engine begins to sputter, backed it down just a bit and when I pull on the PTO it comes right up with no problem. So, I’ve been running it for two days now and as long as I pull the choke on the engine doesn’t bog down when I engage the PTO. Temps are in the mid 60s here so I don’t know why it is acting this way but at least I know my clutch is okay.
Paul
Hi Harvey, I’m going to ask you to do a really weird fix. Put in a new spark plug. Make sure the gap is set for .30. I’ve had engines that won’t run under load until they were warmed up and a new spark plug usually fixed the issue.
Malcolm
HI Paul,
Thank you for providing all of this information. It has truly been educational. I have 1 acre most is a moderate slope, fairly smooth with limited obstacles. I have a good John Deere dealer nearby for servicing. I have been looking at two models in particular One is a tractor the X380 either a 48 or 54″ deck. The other is a zero turn Z535 48″ deck. I will use it to pull a cart sometimes but can easily limit how much weight I place in it. I would welcome your opinion. Thank you.
Paul
Hi Malclm, You will cut your mowing time by 25 to 40% using the Z535 over a X380. The Z535 also has heavier transmissions than the 400 series ZTRS so you can pull you yard cart without worries. So, the only reason I would suggest going with the X380 would be for snow removal.
Malcolm
Thank you again. I was on the fence with the decision. that helped.
Sean
Thank you very much for the info. I rode my mower around about 2/3 of the property last night just in a big circle basically and it seemed to take awhile even at full speed (not mowing) on my craftsman tractor. It probably took 5-7 minutes just to ride the fence line of 2/3 of the property.. if I were actually mowing I can see that time adding up real quick.
Paul
@Sean, You can figure out how long it will take you using this (acreage chart). For example you old Craftsman mows well about 3 mph and it’s 42 inch wide. It will take over 5 hours to mow you property. A Hustler 60″ HD will mow at 6-7 mph well and would take you 1.25 hours. Remember, all of these mowers under $7000 won’t mow as fast as they state they will go. Figure 2-3 MPH slower when figuring mowing times.
Ruth Moran
I bought a Hustler Raptor 52″ deck, 23 HP Kawasaki Engine the middle of last summer after my SEARS lawn tractor died. This Hustler is my first experience with the zero turn. It has changed my life. I have a little over one acre of lawn, a couple of trees and an inground pool to go around. The old SEARS tractor, 38 inch deck (maybe it was 42, I honestly cant recall) Anyway, it was a slow, plodding, horrible mower. Took me 3 or 4 hours to really get the lawn cut. The new zero turn? ONE hour. (not including my weedwacker time)
This zero turn has changed my life. No longer do I DREAD mowing the lawn. In fact, I hired TRUGREEN to fertilize the lawn now and do weed control. The old tractor was slow, plodding, and HOT, and hard to steer/turn. It took a lot of arm strength. The zero turn has liberated me from the ball and chain of lawn mowing, It took me one time out on it to really be comfortable. I took to it very quickly. Its a cool ride, literally, since the engine is in the back. I tell everyone that if they want to change their life; but a zero turn.
Paul
Hi Ruth, Thank You!
Charles
Hey Paul I’m looking at the trim cutter mx5000 I have a sloped yard and debating if a zero turn is right for me or that I just really have wanted one. It’s a 3/4 acre with about 30 big trees on it. I read what you had to say and I still don’t know what’s best for me and what is the definition of a small zero turn? I also tow my jetski up the road with my craftsman I have now and didn’t know that zero turns that you aren’t able to tow things but the mx5000 comes with a hitch. So I’m looking for some advise between the zero turn or I was going to buy a rider with the vac system because the 20 some oak trees sure makes a mess durning fall in Wisconsin as you know but that’s why I bought the stihl backpack blower last year.
Sean
I’m closing on a new home tomorrow on 5 acres, and don’t think my old craftsman 42″ tractor is going to get the job done quick enough for me. I’ve been looking at a Hustler Raptor SD I’m not even sure on the price I was hoping its around $4,000 since the raptor is $2999, and the only difference is the deck basically. I want a larger deck than 42-46 I was thinking 50-60″ range. Anyway the reason I’m posting my question is because nobody ask you about Hustler mowers, I assume they’re fairly new and this is an older post but surely Hustler was around less than a year ago. Any info you can give me about hustler mowers or make a reccomendation for a good mower that’ll last me a very long time with proper maintenance would be greatly appreciated. The most I’ve ever spent on a mower was $400 so $4,000 is a large purchase to me, I want to make the right decision.
Paul
Hi Sean, I think the SD is closer to $4500-4900. It really is a heavier built machine all around. Frame, transmissions, deck, etc.
I was not answering questions on the heavy-duty, estate models before last year. But, this class of mowers ($3800-6000) has really taken off and there are over 40 new models since 2013.
If you would, please start with the “Zero Turn buying guide” tab at the top of the page.
The biggest feature with this price range ZTR is you can mow considerably faster than you can with the residential grade (under $3200) models. For example you can buy a 48 inch Craftsman Pro for less than $3899 and it will mow your lawn quite a bit faster than a 54 inch residential machine. Plus the estate category will last a lot longer than the residential class.
I’m still working on getting the ZTR lists up to date. I should have it done by April 5.
Tad
Sean I just took delivery of a 60″ Hustler Raptor SD last week and already cut with it (and played around a bunch with it too.) Cost about $4600 with tax and all and Hustler dealers do not seem to barter but they are priced fair compared to others and I have a huge dealer with a big shop about 5 minutes from me. I have a three acre lot and 4 years ago purchased a Husqvarna 54″ riding mower (from Lowes) that just was too slow and not holding up well. The motor was fine (Kohler) and over all it was an ok machine but the Hustler so far is a whole different animal. i find I have to pay attention more with a zero turn but its a lot less boring and waaay faster. The handles take some getting used to. And the cut is way nicer even though my lines so far are ‘not the best’. I also considered a Cub Cadet, Gravely and Bad Boy and John Deere (too much $$ for what you got). The dealer also sold Toro’s – both residential and commercial. This particular Hustler is high end residential but has some very nice features and seems VERY well made. The dealer talked me out of the flex forks but I may need then as my lot bordered heavy woods and has roots and bumps all over. i wish i bought this First and saved money on one I had to unload for cheap.
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Paul
@Tad, Thank you. A simple way to mow in straight lines is to not look at the lawn in front of you when mowing. Instead, look at a point at the end of the swath you are mowing. Farmers make straight rows in the corn fields by looking at a fence post at the end of the row and driving to it.
Will
Hi Paul, Thanks for all of the information. You provided valuable information that I haven’t found on other sites. I have 5 acres in Annapolis, MD (used to be an old horse farm) and I’m trying to decide what to buy. Our lot is about 220ft x 1000ft, with a house, barn, stable, several fences, and trees. The property is flat, but can be bumpy in some areas. I mow it about once a week.
Currently I have an old IH244 compact tractor with belly mower, but it requires a lot of time/effort to get close to any obstacles. Overall, it takes me 4+ hours to mow the property, and there’s still a lot of close trimming that has to be done after. I borrowed my father-in-law’s 48″ Scag and cut my time to 3 hours, with virtually no string trimming required (which was the biggest win!). All that being said, I a bit overwhelmed with all of the information.
After reading your site, it’s clear to me that I want something durable that will definitely reduce my cutting time, but I’m on the fence as to whether I should go ZTR or garden tractor. The only ZTR I’ve looked at so far is the Husqvarna MZ 61, but others have recommended Craftsman, Scag, or Exmark. Any advice you can offer would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Will
Paul Sikkema
Hi Will, After you got used to using a 60 inch for a while you could probably get your mowing time down to 2 hours or so. A 60 inch deck will trim even closer than a 48.
I have no issues with the MZ61. It’s a good high-end residential zero-turn. In fact it’s solid enough that I’ve suggested it to the “2 men and a truck” ie., people just starting out in the lawn care business.
Craftsman Pro is about the same quality as the Husqvarna. Scag and ExMark have residential quality mowers but the one you used was most likely a commercial machine. The commercial mowers really start around $6000.
5 acres is the high end size for a garden tractor. They mow slower than a ZTR and the decks are not as durable as the MZ 61 or a commercial mower. If you don’t have $4000-5000 to spend then write back and we can explore the best garden tractor for the money.
Carsten
Hi Paul & Will,
I would like to chime in to the conversation. I have about 6ac to mow in Purcellville, VA. The plot is mostly flat but has a lot of trees and a few outbuildings I have to circle around. For the same reason I can only work with a 52″ to 54″ deck.
I am trying to decide between the Husqvarna MZ52 and the GT52XLS. Both have the same deck and the same Kohler engine.
I like that you can use a lot of accessories with the tractor, but can you really mow at the max. speed of 7.8mph (the GT52XLS has a fast hydro transmission)?
For the zero turn Husqvarna put a productivity number in the specs (3.5ac/hour for the MZ52) but they don’t do that for the tractor. What would you estimate?
Thanks for your help!
Carsten
Paul Sikkema
Hi Carsten, Tractors mow well around 3-4 mph. You can mow around 5 mph but the quality of cut will not be as good. The same goes for the MZ52. If it has the same deck it won’t mow at the fastest speed well. Here is an accurate mowing chart. Acreage Chart. In reality the MZ will mow closer to 2.6 acres an hour because of the actual speed and the fact you overlap your cuts. (You lose 4-6 inches)
ExMark and Walker are the only manufacturers that don’t “fudge” the numbers.
Will
Thanks Paul. I really appreciate the advice. I’m less concerned about the price, and much more concerned about the time. The Scag I borrowed was definitely a commercial mower. Based on your feedback, it definitely sounds like the best bet is a ZTR, as the most important things to me are speed and durability. I guess the next step for me is to decide which ZTR. It looks like it comes down to the Craftsman Pro or the MZ61, and right now there listed at exactly the same price ($4999). Again, if I’m reading your review right, the Craftsman might be a better value. Would you agree? I’m just a bit overwhelmed by all of the options out there.
Paul Sikkema
@Will I agree. Everything else being equal I like the deck on the Craftsman the best. It’s strong and cuts well. If you can order it here with free delivery: Craftsman Pro 25 HP V-Twin Kohler 60” Fabricated Deck Zero Turn Riding Mower
Amy Lyon
I’ve been reading the comments about the various mowers available out there and it looks like you have great suggestions for the best type of mower. I need help! I have an 8-acre hobby farm with a fairly good sized yard, a steep ditch and many trees to mow around. In the fall – I like to hook on a sprayer and take care of weeds and mow the pastures down. Sometimes I need to mow around the perimeter, which includes some nice sized weeds and baby trees that have grown up from seeds. I also could use something versatile enough to pull a drag for the riding arena. I had a John Deere all wheel steer that was very good with pulling, but it took a long time to mow. Now I have a Grasshopper ZTR, which scalps my yard and isn’t recommended for pulling anything. The benefit is that I’m done within an hour or less. Looking for any suggestions you may have.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Amy, I had to think about what would be best for you for a day or two.
First, The Grasshopper. How short are you mowing the grass? You didn’t tell me where you live but if you raise your deck to 3 3/4 to 4 1/2 inches you won’t scalp near as much. Also your lawn will be healthier and as time goes on it will fill in and have less weeds. Will the Grasshopper mow the steep ditch and with the deck raised all the way up will it mow the pasture? How big is the deck on the Grasshopper?
My first suggestion is to get an ATV. They work very well for dragging the arena, spraying and general work around the farm. You can also use it to pull a weed/brush mower for the perimeter and in the field. With the heavy work taken care of by the ATV then a 48-54 inch deck mid-range ZTR or even a Garden Tractor would handle the mowing.
Amy Lyon
Hello. I looked at my deck and it is mowing at 3.5 inches. I have a feeling my frame on the mower is bent – I bought it used. The deck is 52″ I believe. It doesn’t do my ditch very well at all. My mom would have kittens if she saw me mowing. The front tires stay towards the top, but the rear tires slide down so Im kind of mowing diagonally. t did think of the 4-wheeler for pulling but wanted to limit my expenses (I think they cost the same as a mower). I know a decent mower is going to cost $3k to $5k. I want it to last. Have you heard of Woods brand mowers? A local dealer has a 42″ Woods ZTR that he had listed at $4k. Its a 2010 model, but is still new with one hour on it. He just can’t get it sold for some reason. He sells a lot of the larger mowers with 50″ plus decks. Does a rigid deck hold up better than one that flexes? I don’t know the correct terminology for that.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Amy, Sorry for not getting back yesterday.
Is the Woods 42 inch a front deck ZTR? If it is the reason why he hasn’t sold it is his clients generally want a much larger mower. There is not much of a market for a $4000 42 inch ZTR on farms. The Front deck model is a good mower from a very dependable company.
If it is a mid-mount ZTR (the deck hangs underneath) stay away from it. I can show you mowers that are just as good for less money.
Amy Lyon
Good Morning! I”m just glad you are able to help me! I have to go look at the mower this week. I’m not quite sure why it hasn’t sold yet. I will look for that and ask him some questions. But, if there is something else you believe to be better, I’m willing to look at them. I just want it to last. We love the ZTR mower for how fast it goes across the lawn. This same dealer suggested a used JD tractor for $700 to use for my pulling projects (which he has there), but an ATV would be faster for pulling a drag in the arena. Every time I see a post from your site, I go check out the information on the mower. But most of the details doesn’t mean anything to me because I have no idea what I’m actually reading about. I will keep you posted on what I find out from this dealer. Was looking at by Wednesday for sure. He called me back on it – a motivated seller or good salesman.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Amy, I understand that you and many other don’t understand the details of lawn tractors. This site originally started out as a review site, but I think it is time that I change it to an education site. I’ve been planning on taking the winter and developing more Tractor and ZTR basics/safety education.
Randy Reynolds
Hi Paul, Thank you so much for the great information! I just moved to a 1.2 acre home in Westminster, MD. The yard is relatively flat and most obstacles are easy to mow around. I need to move up from a walk behind mower to a tractor and was considering the Sears Pro Series 20442, until you posted the new 20443. The larger deck is not important and I assume that the quality of cut would be better with the 46″ deck versus the 50″. I plan to add a snow blower attachment and wonder if the 20442 will be sufficient. With a difference of $460 is the heavy duty transmission in the 20443 important?
Thank you,
Randy
Paul Sikkema
Hi Randy, The 20442 will be sufficient. The only thing the the 20443 gives you is larger tires and a heavier duty trans. If you had a rough lawn or needed to snow blow a sloped driveway then the larger tires would be nice. Otherwise the 20 inch tires on the 20442 will do well.
Randy Reynolds
Paul,
I just placed my order with Sears for the 20442 and the mulching attachment. I will apply the money saved to the snow blower attachment in the Fall.
Thanks again for the excellent advice!!!
Randy
herb Gersenson
Hello Paul, Your site is much appreciated.
I have a Yanmar Diesel 48″ deck lawn tractor. I have had it for 35 years but now I am looking at about $1,300.00 in repairs and I am thinking it is time for a new unit. I have 2.5 acres to mow. Mostly flat with one small area of a slope of perhaps 20 degrees. I am 62 years old and would like something to make my mowing a bit more comfortable for the next 20 years. Obviously quality of cut and durability are important. I have some roots to deal with and am occasionally hitting those with the deck. I live in Otsvile, Pa. 18942. Thank you for your help.
Herb
Paul Sikkema
Hi Herb, Your old Yanmar is a nice heavy tractor. The new ones weigh a lot less so just about all of them may have traction issues with a 20 degree slope. All of the manufactures only rate their tractors for 15 degrees.
That said, I suggest a Garden Tractor. These have larger wheels, a heavier frame, good engine and good, strong transmissions.
$3000 range: Craftsman has two models, Cub Cadet has 3, Husqvarna has 5.
$5000-7000, Simplicity has a the Conquest and Prestige. John Deere has the X500 series.
Did you have a particular brand or two in mind?
Joe Bilbro
JoeB in Lubbock Texas – Not sure what you get out of this site but it is a tremendous resource for everyone. Thank you! I’m about to get my first ZTR. I’ve read your posts back to 2014 and didn’t my specific question addressed (sorry of I missed it). I have 1 acre, very flat (can watch your dog run away for 3 days). 50+ trees, a barn, grape arbor, curved brick patio, etc. About 60% of the yard is wide open, about 40% has trees and obstacles to dodge. It currently takes me about 2.5 hours on my 21 year old 36″ MTD lawn tractor. I”m torn between a Toro TImecutter SS4200 and the SS5000. I can’t decide if the 42″ or the 50″ will be faster overall to mow my yard. I’m thinking that the 42″ will be more nimble / easily maneuverable than the 50″, and what I save on the long runs with the extra 8″ cut width on the 50″ will be more than made up on the 42″ with my ability to zip around trees and the other obstacles faster. Will the 50″ be as nimble? Will the extra 8 inches on the 50″ make it the winner? One other question. I noticed in one post that you said about the Timecutter ” I like the 3 speed drive so you can pull a cart without worrying about the transmissions.” Does this mean I can pull a cart with several hundred lbs in it without damaging the transmission? You had said in another post “they will burn out quickly if you try to pull loads like a yard cart filled with dirt or a leaf vac.” Was curious if the 3 speed transmission overcomes the load problem. Appreciate and respect your input on this!!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Joe, I like your analogy and I understand flat. I lived in an area of the Illinois Prairie for a while where you could climb on a 6 foot step ladder and see 50 miles. The highest point in the county was the overpass for the Interstate!
If you live in an area that has light, sandy soil or a poor lawn that is easily torn up by a zero-turn I suggest the 50 inch. The frame is wider and it has better traction when making the turns. The deck also sticks out from under the frame a little more so it will be easier to trim under the grapevines and around the trees. The only other thing to consider is the width. The 50 inch will need about 57 inches with the discharge chute down. Go out and measure between your obstructions to make sure it will fit.
The 3-speed is not a gearbox but is actually a travel limiter for how fast the ZTR will move. You burn out transmissions on ZTR’s by pushing them too hard to the point where they overheat. The 3-speed limits the amount of stress you can put on the trannys so they don’t overheat. The 2015’s have the 3 speed lever because the 2014’s low gear was too slow and owners complained.
Be reasonable in what you haul. Buy a 10 cu.ft. cart instead of a 17 cu.ft. If you are hauling dirt don’t fill it rounded full. (take one more trip instead) You can haul a full load of firewood in a 10 cu.ft. cart and not overload your ZTR. If you are moving landscape bricks or bags of compost know how much each one weighs and limit your load to less than 400 lbs.
I came home from work one day and my wife told me, “I can’t move the lawn cart, the tires are flat.” When I went to look at it I quickly saw why the tires were flat. She had neatly stacked the old John Deere 80 cart full of street pavers. I counted them out as I was emptying the cart to fix the tires. She had managed to put one hundred and twenty six 9 lb street pavers in a 10 cu.ft. cart! The tires weren’t flat – they were crushed! When I emptied the cart the tires still had 10 lbs of air in them!
Joe Bilbro
The wife and I died laughing about your tire story! Thanks for the info. I do have sandy soil (as you pointed out), and was already a little concerned about the small tires on the 42″. In fact the small tires were the #1 complaint in the ratings on the 42″ Toro Timecutter. I took your advice and made sure the 50″ would clear everywhere, and it will, so I ordered one this morning. I”ll post again in a month or so to let you know how it turned out. Again, THANKS!!
Mark W
Paul,
Thanks for the great article and for sharing your experience. Our suburban lot is about 2/3rds of an acre with irregular flower beds and borders and some 5:1 slopes (dip/swale along the road, etc). It takes me about 2 hours to mow it with our 21″ push mower and I’d like to reduce that time without spending a ton of money. I was leaning toward an old used (blue!) Dixon ZTR with the mechanical transaxle, but reading your article here it sounds like it might not handle the hills. Would a wide-format (30 – 33″ or so) walk behind be best? The new ones seem pricey (about $1300, same as a low-end lawn tractor). Can you recommend any oldies-but-goodies I might look for? Thanks very much.
Mark
Dayton, OH
Paul Sikkema
Hi Mark, Yes, a Dixon with the original sludge-o-matic probably won’t work but one of the later models with the series 2 transmission definitely won’t. If you do get an old one make sure the cones are good because replacing them is about a $600 project by a qualified mechanic. You need special measuring gauges to install the cones and adjust them.
If you are mechanically inclined you can find some great deals along the road or through the classifieds. I recently found a 1999 Craftsman 42 inch tractor for $50. All it needed was a new set of blades, a $4 steering gear, drain the gas and a good cleaning. I sold it for $400 and the new owner loves it.
A new 30 Toro with the fixed front wheels will hold on the hills well but a larger residential mower with front casters like the Cub Cadet CC 760 ES will be hard to hold on slopes.
Small commercial walk-behind mowers have steering controls for each wheel so they will work on slopes but a good used one is usually $2500. (My favorite is the Toro T-bar)
Mark W
Paul,
Thanks for the reply–yes. I’d wondered if the castoring front wheels on the Cub Cadet CC 760 (and other MTD versions) might make cross-hill tracking more challenging.
RE; “Found by the roadside”: I recently got a free Honda HT 3810 lawn tractor that way. It’s a nice machine, built int he mid 80’s and in great shape. I just need to figure out why the engine isn’t getting a spark. I don’t think it will be a good mower for us–parts are just too hard/expensive to get. But, I’ll get it running and try it on my yard to see if modifying my landscaping will make a riding mower practical for us. Thanks again.
Adam
I am trying to decide between the exmark quest 50″ or the ferris IS600Z. The exmark is $3999 and the ferris is $4999. I mow about 2 acres with some hills. Do you think the extra $1k is worth going with the ferris? I know the ferris is a commercial mower and the quest is not.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Adam, I really don’t know that much about the Ferris. All the dealers I had in my area have moved on to different brands. The ExMark Quest is a very good mower for the price. If you are really concerned about the hills look at the steering wheel version of the Quest.
Mark
Paul – Really appreciate your site – lots of great information. I’ve learned a lot reading your reviews and answers to folks’ questions. I’d like your help deciding which mower would be a good fit for us. We have less than one acre to mow, with slopes on both sides of the house, I believe 10 to 15 deg max. Because of the width of the sloped areas, it makes more sense to mow them up and down. Back yard is mostly flat and smooth, with some rough areas. I don’t think we need anything larger than a 42″ mower. Saw you recommend the Craftsman 20390, but sat on one at our local Sears and found the height of the pedal to be pretty awkward. Have also looked at the Husqvarna YT 42LS, the Craftsman Pro 20440, and the John Deere S240. Then today, a local dealer recommended a Hustler Raptor. I had not considered a zero turn mower before. In researching them this evening, I stumbled across the Toro SS 4225, which gets very good reviews. I’m open to a tractor or zero turn model. Currently use a 21″ push mower and am ready to move up to something bigger. My primary goal is a mower that cuts well. Appreciate any suggestions you might have.
Thanks very much –
Mark
Colorado Springs, CO
Paul Sikkema
Hi Mark, If you have to mow up and down then a zero turn is out. You should mow across a hill with a zero-turn. They don’t have enough weight in the front and may become unstable going up a hill.
If you really want a zero-turn look at the Toro Lawn Mowers TimeCutter SW4200 42 in. 24.5 HP V-Twin Zero-Turn Riding Mower with Smart Park 74784C
. this mower will hang on the hills better than a lap-bar ZTR. It is heavier in the front and acts more like a tractor on slopes.
Too many people have complained about the Husqvarna 3 blade 42 inch deck on the YT42LS. The deck has a tendency to leaves strips of uncut grass. I can’t recommend that tractor.
I’ve had a few readers purchase the S240 and they really like it. They like how easy the tractor steers and the cut of the deck. It looks like Deere has a winner with this dealer only model.
That leaves the Craftsman. Most readers are purchasing the 20442 instead of the 20440. The extra 4 inches of deck sticks out from the sides of the tractor just a little bit more and this allows you to trim easier than a 42 inch deck.
The 20442 was also rated as the best cutting tractor this year by Consumer Reports. They liked it in side discharge mode, mulching and bagging. New owners really like how easy it steers. In reality the 5 inch Turn-Tight steering is almost as good as a zero-turn. You don’t have the learning curve or traction issues of a zero-turn. Plus it’s $300 less than the SS4225 and $600 less than the Hustler.
You can see more and buy it here: Pro Series 24 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 46″ Turn Tight Extreme Riding Mower
Mark
Thanks for your advice, Paul. May just stick with a lawn tractor. I’ll go out and actually put my hands on both the Deere and Craftsman this weekend. From reading about them, they both seem like very good mowers!
Mark (from Colorado)
Darren
Paul, great article. Thank you for providing detailed info. It is causing me to rethink my options for mowers and I am hoping you can provide some suggestions. I am currently looking to upgrade from a 21 inch walk behind to a rider and have narrowed down to one of the following. Toro time cutter SS4225, Husqvarna YT 42LS, or John Deere S240. I have about 1/2 acre of lawn to mow. Obstacles include a wooded perimeter, 8 pine trees, 2 maples, 1 floating bed, and foundation beds. The back yard has a swale for drainage. In addition, there is a slope in the yard. Most of the yard is flat or with a slight slope but there is a steeper slope of about 10-12 degrees on one side of the yard. I prefer to mulch the grass as much as possible and will usually catch it in the early spring and during fall leaf season. Based on this, which of the above riders do you recommend or do you recommend something else? Also with respect to engines, is there a preference between Kawasaki and Kohler if the option is available?
Thanks,
Darren
Cleveland, OH suburbs
Paul Sikkema
Hi Darren, Most people do not like the Husqvarna 3 blade 42 inch deck on the YT42LS for mulching. The deck has a tendency to leaves strips of uncut grass. I also feel you may have issues with a zero-turn on your slopes. If you really want a zero-turn look at the Toro Lawn Mowers TimeCutter SW4200 42 in. 24.5 HP V-Twin Zero-Turn Riding Mower with Smart Park 74784C
. this mower will hang on the hills better than a lap-bar ZTR.
I’ve had a few readers purchase the S240 and they really like it. They like how easy the tractor steers and the cut of the deck. It looks like Deere has a winner with this dealer only model.
I have no preference between the Kohler 7000, Kawasaki FR, the Briggs Intek Plus and the new Toro V-Twin in the SW4200. All of these engines will last a long time on your yard. Dealers want to charge more for the Kawasaki but the new Kohler 7000 and the Tor engine are just as good.
Darren
Paul,
Thanks for the quick reply. I didn’t realize the Husqvarna has a three blade deck. Didn’t think the third blade was added until 48″. I will need to revisit the spec sheet.
Darren
Mike B.
Hi Paul, This article was great! But was hoping you could offer some personalized suggestions for my yard. I have about 1 acre of flat mowing with a shed, pool fence, and 2-3 border garden beds, as well as a drainage ditch that borders my neighbors property(usually mow this with push mower). For the last 10 years I’ve mowed it all with a Toro 38″cut lawn tractor. It is time to upgrade. I originally was set on a Toro Timecutter SS4260 w/the kawasaki engine. Price w/bagger and high lift blades was $3200. Now I’m not sure this is the right choice. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Should I stay with a tractor, maybe save a few dollars but still improve on my cut time? Or is there a better zero turn option for me?
Thanks,
Mike
Upstate New York
Paul Sikkema
Hi Mike, You can do a little better by purchasing a 2015 model. The Toro Lawn Mowers TimeCutter SS4225 42 in. 22-HP KOHLER Zero-Turn Riding Mower with Smart Speed 74721C
gets you the new three speed Smart Speed and a good Kohler engine.
The bagger for the Timecutter is quite expensive. Have you thought about mulching instead? Toro Lawn Equipment Parts 42 in. Recycler Replacement Blade 131-3938-03
Bagger: Toro Lawn Equipment Parts TimeCutter Twin Bagger for 42 in. Stamped Steel Decks 2011 79381
Mounting Kit: Toro Lawn Equipment Parts Mounting Kit 131-3966
Front Weights: Toro Lawn Equipment Parts Weight Kit 131-7658
Mike B.
Thanks Paul. Is there a better non zero turn option I should be looking into? I did find that Northern Tool is offering the Husqvarna Articulating mower w/42″ deck for $1999.00. Model #R120S. The only concern i have with that is finding someone in my area to service it.
Than ks,
Mike
Paul Sikkema
Hi Mike, Keep asking, we’ll get you the right mower. I one of those guys who thinks the Husqvarna riders are the best mower around. I have two older Husqvarna riders myself. Both are 16 years old. One is my primary mower and the other is my wife’s landscape tractor. You can go here to see one in action: Husqvarna 970
The R120S is a great mower at $1999. Until this year it was always $2999 so with the $1000 off it does make it an exceptional deal.
Servicing your new mower is not an issue. You have 5 preferred Husqvarna dealers around Albany so getting warranty repairs, parts or service will never be an issue.
Just so you know. There are no baggers for the riders. Instead you pull a lawn sweeper. What is unique about the riders is the item you are pulling actually follows the track of the rider. You don’t have to worry about it catching the sweeper or cart catching the corner of the garage or tree or landscape bed. I have this one: Agri-Fab 45-0492 Lawn Sweeper, 44-Inch
You can get the Husqvarna Articulating Lawn Mower – 19 1/2 HP Briggs & Stratton Professional Series Engine, 42in. Deck, Model# R120S
through Northern Tool for 1999 plus shipping bringing your total to about 2218. If you have issues with the mower you will have to find a local dealer to service it. Readers here have purchased a few items through Northern Tool and they have always been good to deal with.
Amazon also carries it for $2208 with free shipping. A couple of things that make Amazon a great place to buy from is 1. Their famous guarantee. Yes, the guarantee applies to the large items. 2. Shipping is simple and great. No extra charges for “tailgate” delivery. They deliver it to your garage door. Read this article to learn more: Amazon – The Real Truth About Shipping Large Items. 3. If you have a problem you can either return it, replace it or they work with Husqvarna to help you find a good dealer to do warranty and service work.
So far everyone who has purchased this mower through Amazon has bragged about the machine and the Stellar service from Amazon. I’ve had thousands of readers purchase Mower, Riders, ZTRs and snow blowers through Amazon and we just have not had any issues.
Go here to see it on Amazon: Husqvarna 967181801 R120S Articulating Riding Mower, 42-Inch
Mike
Thanks again Paul. One last question, would you mind recommending a traditional lawn tractor for my same 1 acre yard? Again, looking for something that will keep my mowing time down, and provide me with years of good service.
Thanks,
Mike
Paul Sikkema
Hi Mike, This year one of the best cutting lawn tractors is the Craftsman Pro Series 24 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 46″ Turn Tight Extreme Riding Mower
. It’s just the right size for your 1 acre. You can read my overview of the Craftsman Pro models here: 2015 Craftsman Pro Series Tractors
tedd
The Kohler engine has plastic gears in it the kawasaki is a much better motor and has more power then advertised tedd f in texas have owned a toro time cutter 42 since 09 and love it I got a 22 hp briggs vanguard after my Kohler blew up after 3 years and now it’s even better than before
Paul Sikkema
Tedd, Do you know why Kohler uses poly gears? Not because it’s cheaper but to make the engine quieter.
Kawasaki uses a different SAE rating system than the other brands. Yes, if you used a dyno you would get a different rating. Just remember each engine will have a different actual HP. This is a quote from their website. “The gross power rating of the FD620D engine is reference for OEM customers. Kawasaki does not intend this information to accompany the engine and/or the lawnmower at the time of retail sale to a consumer. The gross power rating was determined by using measurements is according to SAE J1995 as rated by Kawasaki, not were witnessed by third party tester. Actual power output will vary depending on numerous factors, including, but not limited to, the operating speed of the engine in application, environmental conditions, maintenance, and other variables.”
Gershon
Hi Paul:
I’m the owner of an 87 acre summer camp which is mostly woods however we do have two large paying fields as well grass all around our 30 cabins.
Last summer I got tired of the landscapers charging me $700-$1,000 a cut so I brought from home my 34″ Ariens Zero Turn mower.
I realize that it’s taking me too long and need a wider machine.
The other day,I was at our local Tractor Supply Co. store and I noticed a Cub Cadet 54″, 24 HP, RZT L54 Zero-Turn Riding Mower.
Are you familiar with this mower? If so, do you think it will do the job considering I have been doing it, all be it slowly, with a 34″?
Or do you think I would need a 60″-62″?
In terms of residential, land owner, or commercial. I feel we fall into the land owner category.
Please advise…
Thank you,
Gershon
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Gershon Sandler
Director
Camp Gan Israel n the Poconos
845.425.0903 http://www.CGIPoconos.org
Paul Sikkema
Hi Gershon, The L series is a good mower and I would say if you are only mowing around 5 acres of grass it will do well. If you are mowing more than that move up to the LZ series.
A 60 inch deck will let you get done faster. At 7 mph you can mow about 20% more in the same amount of time. This will make a big difference in your open fields.
A typical landowner mower is $5000-$7000. All the brands (except Kubota) are competitive in that price range so use that price as a guide to see if you are getting the machine you need.
Gershon
Pual:
I originally posted you a question on May 19 about purchasing a new zero-turn mower for my summer camp. I had asked Cub Cadet 54″, 24 HP, RZT ($3,000) to which you suggested moving up to the LZ series if I’d be mowing for then 5 acres.
I went today to look at the Cub Cadet 60″, Heavy Duty Z-Force ($4,000) and while there the Tractor Supply Co. salesman encouraged me to upgrade to the Bad Boy 60″, 747cc, ZT Elite ($5,000.)
I then stopped by the John Deere Dealer and looked at both the EZtrack Z465 62″ ($5,500) and the EZtrack Z665 60″ ($6,500).
After all reading many comments, one advantage of the John Deere mowers is that they come with a 4-year bumper-to-bumper warranty which the Tractor Supply Co. charges about $500 for their Cub Cadet and Bad Boy mowers. Also John Deere offers better financing options.
Which would you purchase?
Cub Cadet 54″, 24 HP, RZT L54 ($3,000 + $500 warranty)
Cub Cadet 60″, Heavy Duty Z-Force L60 ($4,000 + $500 warranty)
Bad Boy 60″, 747cc, ZT Elite ($5,000 + $500 warranty)
John Deere EZtrack Z465 62″ ($5,500)
John Deere EZtrack Z665 60″ ($6,500)
To see an aerial map of what I’m mowing, click the following link
https://cgipoconos.org/about-us/facilities/
PLEASE ADVISE…
Thank you!
Gershon
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Gershon Sandler
Director
Camp Gan Israel in the Poconos
845.425.0903 http://www.CGIPoconos.org
Paul Sikkema
@Gershon, Just remember, standard bumper to bumper warranties on this equipment only covers defects. It does not cover wear and tear like belts, tires, batteries, and abuse like hitting tree roots or knocking the deck off by hitting trees. Only mowing 5 acres you probably never use the warranty on the mowers over $4000.
Buying from Tractor Supply is OK but I want you to go back there and completely understand who and where your equipment gets repaired. Especially with an extended warranty. If your mower gets hauled off to some repair center 100 miles away – it may take months to get it repaired.
I am going to assume you will let employees also drive the equipment so you want to stay with the heavier duty equipment.
All 5 mowers you are looking at are considered residential grade. That’s fine since you are only mowing your own 5 acres. So let’s go through your list.
Cub Cadet 54″, 24 HP, RZT L54 ($3,000 + $500 warranty). This mower is too lightweight. It’s good for a homeowner with 2-5 acres but if you want a mower to last the transmissions, frame, deck supports, etc. are too light and the machine won’t last for you.
Cub Cadet 60″, Heavy Duty Z-Force L60 ($4,000 + $500 warranty) This machine is listed by TSC as heavy duty but it is not the heavy duty model. The Z-Force® LZ 60 KH (notice the LZ) is a dealer only model and $4999. Your closest servicing dealer is 22 miles
Bad Boy 60″, 747cc, ZT Elite ($5,000 + $500 warranty) This is a good machine and the price is right. Your closest servicing dealer is 25 miles
John Deere EZtrack Z465 62″ ($5,500) John Deere EZtrack Z665 60″ ($6,500) Both of these mowers have a good reputation and are good machines. But when you compare them to the others on your list they are over-priced by $1500. Of the two the Z665 is the better mower and if you just wanted the right John Deere for you property that is the one I’d pick.
So to answer your question:
If you are comfortable with the repairs from TSC I would pick the Bad Boy first, the Cub Cadet L60 second based on ruggedness. If you are going to just use the mower yourself the Cub Cadet L60 is a good choice.
If you are not comfortable with the repairs at TSC and you want good local service, the John Deere Z665 is the best choice.
Gershon
Thank you, Paul!
I found a closer John Deere dealer to my camp who is now trying to sell me a 2013 BOB-CAT® FastCat RZ 61″ Kawasaki® FR691V for $5,000 which would cost me $1,500 less then the John Deere Z665.
What do you think?
Gershon
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Gershon Sandler
Director
Camp Gan Israel in the Poconos
845.425.0903
http://www.CGIPoconos.org
Paul Sikkema
@Gershon, The FastCat is a good solid mower and I feel a heavier-duty unit than the Z665. $5000 is a very fair price. I looked around and most of the dealers are asking $7000-$8500 for that mower. This deal sounds like a good choice for you.
Gershon
It’s at the price because it’s a 2013, Paul. The dealer told me that Bob Cat overestimated how popular the 61″ deck would be? Probably the $7,000-$8,500 price you’re finding is for a 2015, right? If so, do you think there’s much difference between a 2013 & 2015?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Gershon, I was looking at prices for used machines. If that is a new mower is actually steal at that price.
Michael
Athol, ID
I have a new home on 6 acres, 1 acre will be grass and the other 5 acres natural wild grass etc. Uneven terrain (not smooth), not sloping terrain. Trees scattered, some bunched. I’m looking for a mower for the 5 acres, just cutting 2-4 times a season. I can not see spending 4-5K on a mower with limited usage, what would you recommend?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Michael. Your other 5 acres will get very tough to mow. A regular riding lawn mower of zero-turn will not “cut it”
Here is my best choice.
Do you have an ATV? You can pull this with an ATV, a lawn tractor or UTV. This one is heavy enough to last years.
You can read more here: Acrease Brush Mower
Michael
Athol, ID
Paul, thank you for your feedback. I have a UTV but this will not be able to maneuver around and through the trees. I have cut everything down to 4” with a field mower and remove 90% of the obstruction (on going discoveries!). I looked at a Gravel ZT HD 48”, but this is $5K for 2-4 time usage per year. Is the issue with regular riding lawn mowers or ZTM’s the lack of commercial blades? If the 5 acres was straight open field, your recommendation would be spot on. The cut would only be at 4-5”, is there something else?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Michael, There is a real need for a self-propelled riding field and brush mower but the problem is no one is willing to pay the $10,000 for one that will last. These mowers have to have heavy, commercial quality spindles, swinging blades and 1/4 inch steel decks to withstand the heavy grass and other junk that is in a field. If the manufactures built anything less it would quickly get a poor reputation for not holding up to the abuse,
There are walk-behind units like the 32 inch DR Brush mower but even those are $2500-$4000.
The Gravely you looked at is not a field mower. It is a mid-priced lawn mower.
You either need to clean the area up enough to use a commercial grade zero-turn lawn mower like the Gravely on the entire property or clear it enough to use a compact tractor with a 3 pt. brush mower. There is no in-between other than the AcreEase.
Michael
Athol, ID
Paul, thank you again for the feedback. I have cleaned the 5 acres up, removed rock, small trees, brush, etc. I used a DR Brush mower during this process. I plan to burn 2-3 acres to remove the built up mulch and needles. The only negative is that the ground is not totally flat. I plan to use a yard rack behind a tractor to smooth the major high/low spots. How would a mid-ZTM like; Toro TimeCutter S S4250 or S5000, Husqvarnas or Ariens at $2500-3000 fair? It would only be used 2-4 time a season! Michael
PS Is there a way to insert photos?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Michael, The Toro Timecutter’s have the smallest transmission of all the ZTR so I can’t recommend them for any off-lawn mowing. The other’s would do fine – just be careful of branches over 3/4 inch and tree roots. Be sure to walk the property every spring to see what rocks have frost heaved out of the ground.
Michael
Paul, can you make a recommendation on 2-3 ZTM that would met my limited needs for the 5 acres? Price $3-4K, cuts 4-5”, no bag-mulch-pull required, used 2-4 times per season, good engine and durable construction.
Paul Sikkema
@Michael, I’m sorry but there are no ZTR’s that are designed to mow fields. There are no ZTR’s in that price range that cut over 4 inches. (There are a few commercial units that state they mow up to 5 inches) There are no ZTR’s designed to be used as field and brush mowers.
Since ZTR’s are designed to mow lawns they do not do well at all only mowing fields 2-4 times a year. ZTR’s are designed to cut off no more than six inches so by letting the grass get 12 to 48 inches is just knocks it over, cut some, but when you turn around to look half of it is left standing. It will not mow it cleanly. Yes you can eventually get it cut by mowing it one direction, turning around and mowing the same strip again and then depending how long the weeds are possibly having to mow it cross-ways one or more times.
In addition, long grass is hard on these mowers. Some of the long grass will get wrapped around the spindles above the blades. This wrapping can get bad enough that is overloads the belts to the deck and it’s very easy to burn out the belts. If the belt holds it can overload the electric clutch and burn that up ($300) Sometimes it will wrap enough that it wrecks the bottom bearing seals, the grease runs out and you ruin the bearing.
Finally, the tires on ZTR’s are designed to work on lawns – smooth, obstruction free turf. They are not designed to last running over sticks, stubble, tree roots and sharp rocks. If you do go buy a ZTR also buy a gallon of Slime and put that in the 4 tires right away. It will keep you from having a flat the first time you go mow.
So, You can buy a 48-50 inch ZTR with a fabricated deck for $4000 that will cut at 4 inches. Just go to any local dealer and tell them what you want. Toro, Cub Cadet, Bad Boy, Hustler, etc. It will get the job done for maybe 2 years. From that point on expect that you will have to keep spare belts, spindles, tires, etc. on hand.
Mike
Hello Paul
I have about 2.5 acres mostly with a small slope and a ditch down by the road to mow lots of trees and I’m trying to decide between the hustler 60″ fast track or the Bad boy 60 ZT Elite Both dealers have bad reviews for there service on line so I’m just planing on doing it myself. Do you have any thoughts about the life and mowing ability on these units. I’m just stuck in the middle.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Mike, I’m sorry, I got behind on answering this weekend.
That’s a tough choice and I don’t know which way to steer you without dealer support. Excel has been around a long, long time and there is a lot of engineering history in the Hustler Fast Track. It’s a good mower. But on the other hand Bad Boy is really working hard to become the ZTR of choice. Little things like the laser engraved logo’s show they are going above and beyond to make products that will last.
Mechanically they are so close that there is really no discerning differences.
Adam
What are your thoughts on the Exmark Quest S series with series 2 50″ deck? I will be mowing about 2 acres. With some slopes
Paul Sikkema
Hi Adam, It is a good mower and just the right size for 2 acres. Take a look at the steering wheel version – it’s one of my recommended mowers for slopes.
Kevin
I have two acres with some low spots were my septic field is I’m looking at ferris IS 700z and hustler fastrak in 54 ” cut what’s your opinion?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Kevin, Personally I like the Hustler Fastrak but the first thing I suggest you do is check out your local dealers. The one you feel you can get along with the best is the one I’d buy from. In other words, both ZTRs will last a long time but if you can’t stand the dealer you bought it from – you’ll hate the mower.
Cassie
Very informative article! I am looking for recommendations for cutting approximately 4 acres. Yard is not level in all areas. However, no slopes. Currently have a Craftsman GT4000 lawn tractor with a 48″ deck. My husband is usually working four hours between cutting and edging.
I believe a zero turn is the right answer for us, I just don’t know which would be better for our needs.
Thanks so much!
Cassie
Girard, GA
Paul Sikkema
Hi Cassie, A residential zero-turn like the Craftsman 24 HP V-Twin Kohler 54” Zero Turn Riding Mower
will cut about an hour off your mowing time. It will also trim closer than the GT so trimming won’t be quite the chore.
A higher quality, landowner zero-turn like the Craftsman Pro 24 HP V-Twin Kohler 48” Fabricated Deck Zero Turn Riding Mower
will cut your mowing time in half. It mows faster (over 6 mph) and the heavy duty deck does a better job at mowing than your GT4000.
If you are leary of the learning to use the lap bar steering the steering wheel zero turns like the Toro Lawn Mowers TimeCutter SW5000 50 in. 24.5 HP V-Twin Zero-Turn Riding Mower with Smart Park 74790C
are a very good alternative. It mows faster than the red Craftsman, but not quite as fast as the Craftsman Pro.
Wayne McDaniel
Wayne @ Lynchburg, VA Paul: I wrote to you last Sept 2014 about the Hustler Raptor 54 and my lawn conditions. I purchased the Raptor 54 and was pleased with its performance thus far however something happened over the last weekend that I wanted to comment on. I was mowing the neighbors yard after they had been out of town for about 10 days. It was later in the evening and the dew caused the grass to become wetter as dusk was falling. With the thickness of the grass and the wet condition, the discharge shoot became clogged with the wet grass on 5-6 occasions. I couldn’t understand why but noticed the deck on all of the Raptor SD decks were constructed with about a 1 inch wide bar across the bottom of the deck, I assume for strength. This bar caused the wet grass to accumulate and clog the discharge shoot.
I was not happy with this result but liked the Hustler brand and traded the mower for a Fast-Trak 54 deck. The mower is heavier, smoother, more agile and more comfortable than the Raptor. I don’t understand the design of the deck on the Raptor and would think that anyone interested in the Raptor should know how this deck design affects the grass discharge under wet conditions. I am tickled with the Fast-Trak 54 but I am not sure many people would be willing to pay the significant difference in price to get the performance. I am not expecting to ever have to buy another mower. Just wanted to share my experience and thanks for your time.
Wayne
Paul Sikkema
Hi Wayne, Thank you. Yes the bar is there for strength. It’s pretty common for the fabricated decks to pug like that in heavy wet grass.
Decks always work best on good grass that is dry. Rain wet, high humidity, dew can affect most decks and many will plug the discharge. I had one occurrence like that last year. Dusk, heavy dew and a lot of water grass. The stuff coming out the discharge looked like it has been run through a VitaMixer!
You can try raising the deck as high as it will go – mowing the lawn – and then dropping it down to normal mowing height and going over it again.
Charles
Hi Paul
I wanted to start out by saying thanks for great article. I am fairly new homeowner with about 1.25 acres of land so I decided to make the jump to by my first mower. I started my research about a month ago and was going to go with the Commercial Toro 48in Fixed Deck Gear Walk behind. I landed on this mower because I have 2 slopes of concern. Based on the chart you provided I would say the first slope is 30% grade and the 2nd slope somewhere in between a 40%-50% grade. From what I researched the Toro 48in mower would provide the slope support and seemed to be a workhouse that would last a long time. Then I stumbled across the ZTR residential series. I was definitely impressed with the convenience and time saving these mowers put out. Let me also reference I am not much of an outdoors man. The quicker the job for me the better. I did my research and kept coming back to the Hustler Raptor series. From reviews Ive gathered that this ZTR handles better on slopes than most residential ZTR out there. I would prefer the 42″ Raptor but after reviews I wondering if the Raptor 48″ SD will hold up better with the slopes with the bigger tires, heavier weight, bigger engine? Its about $1k price difference between the two, where SD is a little over my budget but if its much more worth it I can make the sacrifice. The other benefit I like with the SD is it has a serviceable transmissions, where the Raptor is not serviceable. Do you know much about the reliability of the transmission on the Raptor vs SD. For the price tag I want want something that will last. Also, does one cut better than the other? It would be interested to know your thoughts on the HustlerRaptor vs SD ZTR or if you think I should have sticked with my original idea of Toro 48in Fixed Deck Gear Walk Behind. Thank you !
-Charles
Glastonbury CT
Paul Sikkema
Hi Charles, 30% or 15 degrees is the steepest slope that it recommended you mow with a ZTR. The steeper slope will have to be mowed with a walk-behind. If it’s not too big of a slope a rear wheel drive like the Toro Lawn Mowers Personal Pace Recycler 22 in. Variable Speed Self-Propelled Gas Lawn Mower with Briggs & Stratton Engine 20332
. is a good choice.
I would not buy a Raptor for you lawn. It is a good mower but I am concerned about the transmissions holding up over time. The Raptor SD has stronger transmissions and and is heavier so it will stick to the slopes better.
By the way: Your idea of buying a Toro 48 inch walk-behind is sound. You can mow your entire property in about an 1.25 hours. The 48 inch will get around stuff better so you will have very little trimming. I especially llike the Toro T-Bar steering because you don’t have to have both hands on the mower. You can drive it on the slopes and actually walk off to the side of the mower. I used the T-Bar Toros for ditches, business berms and other areas you can’t mow with a rider. The Toro 48 inch walk-behind will give you the best cut and a better cut than any zero turn or lawn tractor. If you enjoy lawn work and don’t have to get done in 17 minutes the Toro T-bar is a great choice.
Charles
Hi Paul
As a follow-up to my May 6th post. I ended up purchasing the Toro 48in Fixed Deck Gear Drive Walk Behind. The dealers in my area didn’t have the T-Bar so I had it ordered and should arrive next week. I had one follow-up question, what are thoughts on putting a velke on belt drive walk behind. I’ve seen some mixed reviews on them in reference to putting stress on the machine. I am 6’5 265lbs. I am particularly interested in the Wright 2 Wheel Velke X2. Thank you for the help!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Charles, I had a Velke for a 36 inch belt drive T-Bar and never saw any adverse affects. The belt drives are pretty simple and tough. You might have to replace a set of belts every couple of years but there is really nothing else to break.
Chris Seay
Paul, do you have any comments (positive or negative) on a Hustler Raptor SD. My other option is a Husqvarna MZ 61. Both are dealers with in-house repair shop.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Chris, I have suggested the MZ 61 to many small lawn companies. It’s a fairly lightweight ZTR and works well for trailering and all different kinds of residential lawns.
But the Raptor SD and Fast-Trak (whatever you can afford) are heavier built and that is the one I would buy for myself if I had the choice between the Hustler and the Husqvarna. The SD cuts well and if you are mowing just your own property it will last you many, many years. (Hustler will have the parts for years also)
Joel Beecham
Knoxville, Tennessee
My yard is about 1.5 acre but it has 80+ trees or other obstacles to mow around. About 2/3 of the yard is smooth with a slight slope. The remainder of the yard is rough with swells and uneven tree roots. I even have a uneven creek bank to contend with. From this brief description, would you recommend a zero turn or a tight turn riding mower? Cut quality is not my biggest concern. Getting the grass mowed around all those trees in the shortest amount of time is. I would appreciate your thoughts.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Joel, A 46 inch zero-turn like the Craftsman22 HP V-Twin Kohler 46” Zero Turn Riding Mower
, or the Cub Cadet Lawn Mowers RZT-L 46 in. Fabricated Deck 23 HP V-Twin Dual-Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Riding Mower with Cub Connect Bluetooth RZT-L 46 FAB
are a good choice for that many trees and 1.5 acres.
If you don’t have a lot of experience with zero-turns take a serious look at the Cub Cadet Lawn Mowers RZT S 46 in. 23 HP V-Twin Dual Hydrostatic Gas Zero-Turn Riding Mower with Steering Wheel Control RZT-S 46
. It gives you the agility of a ZTR but drives like your car.
Please be very careful by the creek. The banks can get soft spots overnight that can cause you to tip over. Always walk the bank before you mow each and every time.
john potucek
hi paul ,I live in Fairfield county ct. I’m looking at a troybuilt 42′ zt .my 3/4 acre yard has a couple of 15 to 20 degree slopes. is that to steep for this mower? Thanks.
Paul Sikkema
Hi John, Yes, the Troy-Bilt 42 inch /Cub Cadet L 42 inch and the Craftsman 20411 are all to light for 15-20 degree hills.
Glenn Johnson
Hi Paul, I found this just in time. I live in southwest Minnesota and am looking at a ZT or a tractor. I have about an acre with some trees, garden, shed and a separate garage. The first priority is mowing, second is to pull a small trailer for the garden supplies and finally a bagger. Although I’m not committed to the bagger yet. My push mower has a bagger but it’s a pain to empty and it’s has to be done often.
Lastly why are ZT more expensive than tractors?
Thanks, Glenn
Paul Sikkema
Hi Glenn, Well you don’t live at the end of the world – but you can see it from there….:) I think the first thing to do is to find out what dealers you have in your area. Bad Boy, Simplicity, Deere, Bush Hog, Hustler, Ariens, Country Clipper, Walker. There may be a few new Dixon ZTRs around yet. Then I’ll help you find the best one. You only “need” a 42-46 inch but depending on the brands you have I may suggest a 48 inch.
Do you have a Sears Hometown store, a hardware store that sells Husqvarna or a farm equipment dealer that sells Cub Cadet?
ZTR are more expensive because they have two transmissions instead of one. These cost an additional $600-800. Plus many ZTR’s have heavy duty decks that can mow 6 to 8 mph. A cheap 42 inch Cub Cadet is around $2500, a good, heavy duty 48 inch can be $5000. It just depends on the speed you want to cut at, etc.
Glenn Johnson
Paul, thanks for the quick response. I have Running and an Ace hardware store near by. Mankato and Sioux Falls are about 2 hours away. There are two Menards about an hour way.
I was recommended. a cub cadet 42 inch but it has no place for attaching a small trailer. I was also told that the Kohler engine was better that the Kawasaki. I found a potential deal on 2014 cub cadet 42 inch tractor model with the Kawasaki engine.
There are Dixon in town but I am unable to find a decent used one. The person who used to cut my lawn had a Dixon. I like the Dixon because it does a great job cutting the grass and leaves hardly any tire impressions.
Thanks Glenn
Paul Sikkema
Hi Glenn, I think the rear bumper has the holes drilled for this hitch. You can get it at the dealer or search “cub cadet hitch” on Amazon.
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The Cub Cadet ZTR is a decent mower. It mows very well. Keep the trailer loads you are pulling to 300 lbs or so (half a load of dirt) and it will never give you problems. You can get a 2 bin bagger of a mulch kit for it. It’s one of the lowest priced ZTRs and I think it’s a good deal.
Currently Kawasaki FR and Kohler 7000 engines are both good engines. You can’t go wrong with either one.
Glenn Johnson
Paul, what is your opinion on bagging or sweeping?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Glenn, Sweepers generally work better on pine needles, pine cones and gumballs. If you mulch it’s nice to have one around if the grass gets away from you and you end up with a bunch of grass clipping on the top of the lawn.
You can back up with a bagger. With gator blades that chew up dry leaves they are faster, but dirtier in the fall.
If I had 2 acres or more and wanted to pick up grass clippings I would buy a Walker mower with the hopper and be done with it. Walker Advantage
Glenn Johnson
What do you think of Husqvarna. I was out looking at mowers today and I found a 42 inch at Runnings that is discounted. Otherwise I think I am going with the 42 inch Cub Cadet.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Glenn, It really depends on the model. Most of the Husqvarna’s are very good machines. The only two I don’t recommend are the LGT2654 (weak transmission) and the LS models with the 42 inch fabricated deck (mows terrible)
Glenn Johnson
Hi Paul, first I want to thank you for all your input and the information on this site has been invaluable. I don’t think I would have been able to narrow down my choices and make an intelligent decision. Here my finalists Husqvarna RZ46i, Cub Cadet RZT-L-42 and RZT-L-46. Any final thoughts on these three mowers.
Thanks again.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Glenn, The RZ46i is being replaced with the Z246i. I always liked the RZ but consumer reports has always stated the the Cub Cadet’s mow better. Of the three my choice would be the Cub Cadet Lawn Mowers RZT-L 46 in. Fabricated Deck 23 HP V-Twin Dual-Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Riding Mower with Cub Connect Bluetooth RZT-L 46 FAB
. It cuts really well and the deck sticks out from the frame a little more than the 42 inch. This allows it to trim better especially inside curves in your landscaping.
Matt Michael
Hi sir, I have a friend wanting to trade me a late 90s Craftsman EZT 40″ for my Kubota 175 diesel lawn tractor. Are the Craftsman EZT quality machines and what about the 15.5 hp Kohler? What would you say the EZT is worth in fair condition? I tried it out(my first experience with a zero turn) and it is super fast compared to my tractor, of course. Thanks for your time.
Matt
Yatesville, Ga
Paul Sikkema
Hi Matt, The green EZT was made for Craftsman by Simplicity and always was a very good “flat land” mower. It sets a lot higher than todays ZTR’s so it always felt unstable on hills.
What’s it worth? I looked around the Internet and I couldn’t find a single one for sale. The only prices I’ve seen is a late 90’s Craftsman LT2000 can go for about $500 in great shape.
Rob Andre' Stevens
04/28/15
Thermopolis, WY 82443
Enjoyed the read, but have a question. I have a 1/2 acre property, ’bout 12 trees, mostly flat. I have a 90’s Dixon 42″ at our other house in MT, ya know the ones that had the control levers out front, and the newer Dixon’s, or for that matter most other brands as well, have the control bars up near the seat. Personally I love my old tough Dixon, enough so, that 2 yrs ago I replaced the engine with an Intek 16hp Briggs, as the ol’ girl had never let me down on our acre of lawn, ‘n slopes. So now I’m faced with buying another zero, ‘n personally don’t like the Toro’s or Husqvarna’s Dixon takeover, and understand Dixon was just bought out again. So I’ve found a brand new 2013 ZTR Dixon 42″ still in stock locally. So my question is, what are your feeling on the ’13 Dixon with its 19.5hp Briggs Professional motor, etc, as I found one for $2450.00, plus as I noticed the front tires that come with it are now made smooth, vs my old that had tread, would it be better if I changed out to treaded fronts for better traction?, and/or any other recc’ns, and lastly, how good is the rear mounted grass catcher that’s available, re plugging, etc.. Cheers, Rob
Paul Sikkema
Hi Rob, I understand the love for the original Dixon’s more than you know. If all residential ZTR’s drove like that one – every household would have a ZTR in their garage. Unfortunately Dixon really messed up when they put the series 2 drives in the 2000-2005 models.
The Dixon is still owned by Husqvarna. But they have killed the brand name. They will still support your mower through Husqvarna and Poulan Pro.
The 2013 Dixon is the same mower as the Husqvarna RZ4222. If the Dixon has the fabricated deck the Husqvarna Equivalent is RZ4222F.
The single cylinder Briggs Pro is a good motor and will last longer than the Intek you put in your old sludge-a-matic.
I’m going to assume the 2-bin bagger is the standard 42 inch. It works well if you are using high-lift blades on the deck.
Rob Andre' Stevens
That makes me feel better, so thanks. I kinda wished it was an SE, but I couldn’t find one. Now what about those front tires, should I worry that they don’t have tread?
Paul Sikkema
@Rob, Zero-turns don’t need tread on the front. The tires just hold the front of the mower up. They don’t do any steering or guidance like the front wheels on a lawn tractor or your tire. When they are smooth they don’t tear into the turf as quickly. The smooth tires on that one are tough and never wear out.
Rob Andre' Stevens
..Oops, one last thing.. a friend just recc’ed I get this Gravely vs that ’13 Dixon. The 915190 zero-turn zt34 (34″) with an 18 HP/656 cc Briggs 2 cyl motor; it’s 34″, but with 2 blades, ‘n has anti-scrape rollers on the floating deck, which the Dixon doesn’t, ‘n he says it’s built like the old Dixon’s were, so what’s your feeling on this?..
Paul Sikkema
Rob, I absolutely hate the zero-turns under 42 inches. The Gravely/Ariens 34 inch, Dixon/Husqvarna 30 inch, and Toro 34 inch are all balanced wrong. They have no traction and tear up your yard. Because they have no traction they are undriveable on any type of slope. Even that little slope around a mature tree give them problems.
The only good use I ever saw of one of these small ZTR’s is the Shiner’s club in Chicago turned one into a hat to use in Parades. The Operator sits inside this 6 foot tall Shiner’s hat and it spins around and around. It makes the kids laugh.
Rob Andre' Stevens
Thanks for all the advice, ‘n your expertise. So with what you’ve said, I’ve gone with the Dixon. Bought it over the phone this morning, the Dealer is setting it up today, ‘n I’ll be hooking up my trailer to drive the 100 miles to go get it tomorrow. Cheers, ‘n have a Happy Humpday.. 【ツ】 Rob
Rob Andre' Stevens
Oh yeah, I also had them install the high-lift blades due to all the trees in the yards, figured if I ever wanted the bagger, I’d be then all set to go, plus I’d the have the extra set of blades it came with.
Paul Sikkema
Rob, you’re welcome! Enjoy your new O’l Blue.
Corey
Looking at buying a ztr this weekend. I would really like to stay under $3500. I was looking at a new cub rzt l 54 for $2999 but also ran across a used hustler raptor 52 (non sd) with a guestimated 50 hours for $2300. If it was the sd version I would likely jump on it. I have roughly 2 acres of flat land in Elizabeth IN. My main question is how do these mowers compare in your eyes? Would it be worth forking up the extra cash for a new one. I know the hustler is also around $3000 new. Thanks in advance!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Corey, The biggest point is do you want a full 3 year warranty? Does the Raptor come with the remainder of the warranty?
The Raptor has a heavier deck. The Cub Cadet mows better. Otherwise the performance is about the same for both. I have no preference between the Kawasaki on the Raptor or Kohler engine on the Cub.
So, if you want your lawn to look it’s best – Cub Cadet. If you tend to be a little rough on your mowers go with the Hustler.
Corey
Thank you for the prompt reply Paul. I appreciate you keeping up this website and helping people like me. I’m not sure if the warranty is transferable or not. I have some homework to do. Thanks again!
Lea Ann
Hi Paul. I have read this article and others and comments you have written. It sure came in handy when I wanted to find out the best choice for my yard. Recently before studying on ZTR’s I got a used Toro TimeCutter 14-38z and I have a smaller city yard – and wanted to help a neighbor with 3 other adjoining lots. It was a good deal and works pretty good but, we have sloped banks that I cant get near with it and found out the steering I have to learn the tricks because I have made ruts and scrapes where I never did before. All that said, I would love to sell it and I have decided from your information and the youtube videos that I am infatuated with the Husqvarna Articulating 322T. I wanted to get buy with the 220T but, don’t know just how much I would need to have to have the AWD. Right now the biggest problem is finding a local dealer. Can you help me find the closest dealer to Knoxville, TN? The local Lowes does not know anything about the articualting and the Husqvarna site gives a small dealer that is authorized for small engine repair. I will call them and continue to try to find someone in this area. On the Husqvarna site I saw a review from Johnson City and that is a couple hours from Knoxville so I may need to go further to find one. Also wanted your input on purchasing from Mowers Direct if no local dealer and your input on service if you don’t have a local dealer…Wow. Thanks.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Lea Ann, Use this dealer locator to find a “Preferred Dealer” near you. I looked and there are preferred dealers in Maryville, Oak Ridge, Sevierville and Lenoir City.
I talked to Husqvarna recently and the U.S. is so focused on lawn tractors and zero-turn mowers that they are not going to pursue selling the articulating riders here. (They are the top selling lawn mower in Europe) Some area of the country will still have them and of course parts/service will be totally supported but they are not going to put a big focus on them.
If you can’t find one consider the Toro or Cub Cadet steering wheel ZTR’s.
Toro Steering Wheel ZTR Review
Cub Cadet RTS Review
Paul Sikkema
Hi Lea Ann, I forgot to tell you about Mowers Direct. They are an internet dealer I trust. If you talk to them on the phone tell them I sent you over. They will take care of you well. They will also work with you closely if you have any problems with the mower.
Matthew Arduini
Last year I purchased a property with just under 3 acres, house and ingroung pool. I used a Husqvarna Briggs and Stratton, 24hp, hydrostatic, 54 in cut (YTH24V54) – riding mower. No complaints about the ride or mower mechanics, but I would like to improve my time. It took me just under (3) hours to complete once a week.
The dealer is wiling to give me a good deal on the rider I purchased last year, but I am wondering if the following will noticeably decrease my time.
Husqvarna Briggs and Stratton, Endurance series V-twin, 27hp, 61 inch cut zero turn mower (MZ 61).
I would like to cut my mow time down and wondering if the above upgrade will make the difference I am looking for.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Matthew, the MZ 61 will cut over 4 acres an hour on flat level lawn. On the same lawn your YTH can only mow about 1.8 acres and hour. So I’m betting that you can cut at least an hour if not more off of mowing you property.
There are a few things that will slow you down.
Heavy, thick turf.
Lots of trees or stuff to mow around.
A rough lawn. The ZTR will mow twice as fast as the YTH but can you stay in the seat?
Lots of small areas to mow instead of big open areas.
I like the MZ 61. I have recommended it to many “two guys and a truck” outfits who are just getting into commercial mowing and want a really good ZTR but don’t have a lot of money to spend on an ExMark or Scag.
Robert
West Springfield, MA. Hey Paul, I could use your advice here. I have about 2.5 acres of land, right now I only have to mow about 1 acre, but as I clear out more brush I will have to mow more. I do have a couple slopes in my yard at about a 10 degree angle in a couple spots, but it is mostly flat. I am considering zero turn mowers in the market primarily for mowing the lawn faster, for their resale value, and because that style of mowing is pretty enjoyable for me. Right now I have an older Craftsman tractor, believe it’s a 32 inch deck or somewhere around there. It’s had a few problems with the battery on it, the starter solenoid, and some of the springs underneath the deck snapping, as it is a roughly 10 year old inexpensive machine.
Now, if I want a durable, dependable machine that will last me as long as possible with just mowing my lawn, what are some of my options? I was looking at the Husqvarna Z254, which has the option of either the Kohler or B&S engine, while the RZ5424 has the Kawasaki for a fair bit more money and a better deck. All engines are 24 HP, is there any big difference between them? Additionally, I was looking at the Gravely line of mowers, and looking at either the Gravely ZT42, or stepping up to the Gravely HD 44 or 48.
In your opinion, is either brand much better than the other? The Gravely looks a bit more durable and rugged, but is a little more expensive. I’m also not sure if it’s worth the extra investment for the fabricated steel deck with a thicker steel gauge, and the cast iron vs aluminum spindles. Not sure how much that increases longevity, and if it helps with resale value later on down the road. Also, is there much of a difference between the lifespan of a good lawn tractor versus a zero turn, if you take care of the machine? I don’t intend on towing any attachments, but I will be using a bagger.
Thanks,
Rob
Paul Sikkema
Hi Robert, Gravely and Ariens are the same mower. You can get the Ariens brand through Home Depot or the Gravely through a local dealer. Ariens Zoom is the basic residential line, Zoom XL the next step up and the Max Zoom the top residential/commercial line (for Ariens)
Aluminum spindles use sealed bearings so as long as you don’t blast them with a pressure washer they will last. The cast iron spindles need grease at regular intervals. If you keep maintenance records the cast iron spindles will last longer. If you don’t you will burn the bearings and usually the shaft/housing.
The Z254 is the 2015 model. Its had a complete update. I don’t know how long the RZ5424 will be around. It has been a great mower – it’s just not pretty. I believe the RZ series was the reason Husqvarna bought Dixon a few years ago.
If you would like to compare Husqvarna’s to the Gravely HD’s you should look at the MZ line.
The Gravely ZT 50 inch and Ariens Zoom 50 are very comparable to the RZ5424. In that price range you are looking at about the same life as a Craftsman/Husqvarna/Cub Cadet Garden tractor.
Robert
If I’m just mowing my own lawn, will buying a Gravely ZT HD, a Ferris IS600z, or a Husqvarna MZ be more economical in the long run, because of the longer life of the mower? I have a very good local dealer that sells both Ferris and Gravely, with another dealer in the area that sells Husqvarna but has gotten some bad dealership reviews. Between the Gravely, Husqvarna, and Ferris, what would you recommend? I’d prefer to spend as little as possible, but if it’s an investment that will last me forever if I take care of it, I can spend up to about 6.5k including the bagger.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Robert, The Gravely HD has the best reputation of the 3 mowers. It’s built really well and I never hear of any problems with it. Gravely/Ariens are just great to work with if you ever do have an issue. The Ferris is a niche product, meaning the suspension is cute and many people like the slightly smoother ride but in my opinion it is just more stuff to break.
I suggest the MZ to a lot of small contractors, but the Gravely is still a better overall mower.
Robert
Thanks, I appreciate the advice. If I am going to be mulching with the gravely HD, what is the best way to keep the underside of the deck clean? I don’t think it comes with a deck wash attachment, but I could be wrong.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Robert, Mow when the grass is dry. Decks that have greased spindles don’t use the deck wash because it can force water into the bearings and ruin them.
Otherwise I would not be that concerned about keeping the underside clean. Clean it when you sharpen the blades and before you put it away for the winter. For normal mowing it will keep itself clean enough.
If the deck changes pitch – in other words it sounds like an airplane prop instead of a mower then there may be build up under the deck from wet grass sticking and you can clean the big chunks out then. You will usually only get build up like that mowing crabgrass (high water content grasses) mowing right after a rain or mowing taller grass when there is still dew on it.
Robert
If I’m going to be keeping the mower for 15-20 years if possible, do you think the Gravely ZT HD 48 will last longer than the Ferris IS600z? Also curious how both of them compare with required maintenance. Going to take a test drive on both soon
Paul Sikkema
Hi Robert, If I had a crystal ball telling me the future I would place my bets on Gravely. The Ferris is owned by Briggs&Stratton and I keep getting the feeling they want to get out of the large mower business. (that’s just my opinion) Gravely/Ariens is a very conservative company and all of their products are made for maximum life.
The Gravely has less parts to go wrong. The suspension on the IS600Z is “cute” but in reality just more stuff to go wrong. If you are mowing 5 acres or so you may never have to do anything to the Gravely other than blades, oil, filters and maybe a v-belt once in a while.
Laurel Damsteegt
Berrien Springs, Michigan. Our 100series John Deere steering mechanism (and a bunch of other stuff) went bad and dealer said it would cost more to fix than to replace it. So that has put our family into a quandary as to what to buy. Budget? $3000 is stretching it. We have close to four acres with around the house and trees and gardens, and a slope; then a large field (with plenty of moles in both). I am totally confused with all the possibilities. I thought we might get a Hustler Raptor 52” deck ($3000) until I read in your article that the ride is exceedingly bumpy. Also looked at a Cub Cadet LX 54″ ($2300). Deeres seem overpriced for the features the others have but maybe they are better quality?Seemed nice too. Please, what would you recommend as fitting our situation and something that won’t be disposible in a few years. Really appreciated your article and questions and answers below.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Larel, The Cub Cadet LX series has the small rear wheels like your Deere.
There is one thing that I don’t like about the LX 54. It uses a K46 lawn tractor transmission and with the large deck the K46 has a history of not holding up more than 200-300 hours.
The Craftsman 22HP 54” Kohler Powered Turn Tight Riding Mower – Non CA
use a stronger transmission.
When you are out looking at other brands please stay away from any tractor that uses the LGT designation. (LGT2654) These tractors also use the K46 and many owners have had issues with the trans failing pushing these large decks.
In reality you are pushing the limits of a lawn tractor mowing 4 acres but a good 54 inch garden tractor with larger wheels and a heavy-duty frame will cost you around $3200. Let me know if you want to discuss those.
Laurel
Yes, I am very anxious to further discuss anything you have in mind. I do not have my heart set on anything. If a zero turn is best then we want to get that. If the lawn tractor you mention above is best, I am happy to hear about that. Thank you very much for your help.
By K46 do you mean Kawasaki? I thought they were the best transmissions. I am happy to be corrected, but that is what one dealer told me.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Laurel, It is very easy for me to forget that you are not used to the terminology of lawn tractors so feel free at anytime to ask for an explanation.
Kawasaki is an engine brand. It gets it’s reputation from a dealer because for a few years they had the best commercial zero-turn engines. Because of that reputation the dealer is able to charge a little more for a Kawasaki. In my opinion that is why he is pushing that brand. In reality their residential engines are no better than the ones from the other brands.
The current good engines for lawn tractors and zero-turns that will give you long life. None of these are particularly better than another.
Kawasaki FR or FJ
Kohler 7000, Kohler 7000 Elite, Kohler Courage (single cylinder)
Briggs & Stratton Intek Plus, Briggs & Stratton Platinum (Craftsman) Briggs & Stratton Endurance (Husqvarna)
John Deere
Subaru
When I mentioned K46 I was referring to the transmission. These are also made by a different manufacture than the lawn tractor and are generally sized for the tractor’s deck, frame and what you want to use it for.
Some of the manufactures try to meet a price point for certain sizes (like the LGT tractors) so I have to be aware of the type of lawn you are mowing (hills, etc.) so you don’t end up with a tractor that may not give you the long life you want.
There are also different manufactures and sizes of zero-turn transmissions but if you are only going to mow (not pull loads or go up big hills) I won’t get into those differences.
Zero-turns give you a very different ride than a lawn tractor. The front ends are a lot lighter so they tend to give you a lot of up and down bounce. They mow faster than a yard tractor so the bouncing can be aggravating especially to women (think sport-bra) You have to add options like the front flex forks on the Hustler to smooth out the ride or go to the expensive ZTR’s with suspension seats.
The 50 inch Hustler Raptor is actually a very good zero-turn and it will last. If you bought one and the ride was too rough you could always add the flex forks later on.
I do have to ask about your lawn though. Where you live the ground tends to be very sandy and there are many areas where lawns don’t grow well. Do you have lot of bare spots or really thin turf? Zero-turns tend to dig up those areas and if the sand is loose enough they can get stuck there – a lot.
Let me know what you are thinking and we can narrow down the best mower for you.
Laurel
Our lawn is nothing special (don’t like pesticides), lots of weeds, but not many bare spots except if it gets scalped or molehills get scalped. We do have an area in the field that gets rather wet—sometimes a lake—and I might be more concerned about getting a zero turn stuck in that.
I was just now looking at your review on the Craftsman 54″ and thinking that was looking pretty hopeful because we do haul firewood in our cart and I was a bit nervous about the zero-turn hauling a cart full of wood. I also like that you said the Craftsman performed almost as well as a zero turn with its steering for those who are unexperienced. Might that be a better option for us? Probably still not as fast as the Hustler Raptor 50 but better for our situation??
Thanks ever so much for your opinions!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Laurel, Sorry I didn’t get back to you right away. My Italian Greyhound needed to get to the vet today.
I got it…Looking at the red Craftsman Garden Tractor (model 20403) and the new Pro series (model 20445) I am going to suggest the Pro series. The Pro is more money but worth it with your lawn.
1. It mows very well for a 54 inch deck. I believe it will mow just a little faster than the 20403. CR rated the cut as the best of the large decks (48 inch and larger)
2. I like the new front axle and steering. It’s very solid and will work well on your rough lawn.
3. It has a good transmission. YOu will be able to mow lawn and haul anything you want on the trailer.
4. Yes, it turns very tight and you will be able to mow your “lake” sooner than with a zero-turn
You can usually get the best deal buying through sears.com including free delivery. (I make a small commission on the sale) The new Craftsman Pro Series 26 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 54″ Turn Tight Extreme Garden Tractor
is the best choice.
Keep asking – I’ll keep answering
Laurel
Thanks for your suggestion for the pro series. We had thought of getting the red one. One thing that concerns us is that the pictures and the specs don’t really match. For instance it says no arm rests but the picture has arm rests. But a bigger issue is that the specs say no cruise control. With as much as we need to mow cruise control is very helpful. Also the red one had a push button electronic start, which we weren’t too interested in. Does this one have the same starter? Which company makes it? Husquavarna?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Laurel, Yes, Sears.com is messed up. Please read this article and look closely at the pictures at the end. Those are pictures of the actual tractor proving that it does have cruise control, arm rests and a front bumper.
Craftsman Pro Series Review
We also discuss in the comments some other problems with sears.com. Sears is making the changes to the site but the way sears has redundant servers and mirrors it will literally take weeks for the changes to show up.
Laurel
Hi Paul, Thanks so much for your helpfulness. We went ahead and took your suggestion for the Pro above and I ordered it this morning. Thank you SO much for your help. It should be delivered on Wednesday. Hopefully they will set it up for me?
I still have a few questions:
1. I still cannot tell from the pictures what kind of ignition there is—key or push button?
2. It said somewhere that there was a removable deck for cleaning. Could this be possible? Wouldn’t that be super heavy?
3. On some mowers we looked at they had these hose hookup holes to the deck that you screw in and then turn on the hose and run your mower and it is supposed to clean itself, sort of like a high speed blender. Not sure if this mower we ordered has this feature, or whether it is even a good idea. Some of the salesmen poo-pooed the idea, some extolled it. Do you have an idea about it?
4. Somewhere on your site do you go through cleanup of the mower? To take good care of the mower what should you do to clean up the mower when you are done? Or perform other maintenance? How often should we get that Sears maintenance guy to come out.
5. I didn’t order the extended warranty. Should I have?
Thanks for all your input in these things.
Laurel
Paul Sikkema
Hi Laurel,
1. The Pro Series use a standard ignition key and a button to mow in reverse.
2. The deck is fairly easy to remove. It’s just three spring clips. There will be a procedure explaining how to remove it in the manual. The key is do it on a hard surface like you driveway or garage floor so once it’s unhooked you can slide it out from under the tractor. Once it’s slid out I suggest two people to tip it over.
3. Yes, It has the deck wash. Just hook up a garden hose, turn the water on and then start the mower deck. Remember to do this out on your lawn because it does make a mess.
4. Other than the deck wash I suggest just blowing off the dry grass with a leaf blower or air compressor. If you use a pressure washer don’t get the nozzle too close because you can force water into the bearing and other greased points of the mower. I use Scrubbing Bubbles on the stuck on stuff. Spray it on and wait 30 minutes for it to soak in. I use windex to clean the hood and fenders.
For the items not covered with a Protection Plan: If you would like to learn how to change your own oil, oil filter and air filter once a year. Change your mower blades once a year. Change your spark plugs and gas filter every two years you can save about $160 each year by doing it yourself instead of calling Sears Repair Service for that maintenance.
5. The Protection Plan is your choice.
Sears offers a 5 year protection plan. For less than $15 a month Sears will not only take care of any warranty issues at your home for free but also cover most wear and tear items on the mower. Wheels, battery, belts, almost everything that may wear out is covered. Even the seat. All parts, labor and trip charges are included in the Protection Plan. The only items that are not covered is mower blades, oil changes and filters, but Sears will give you a 25% discount on those parts. If you don’t want to work on the mower at all they also offer a discount for a tech to come out and replace the blades and oil change. (about 25%) Of course garage fires and hurricanes are not covered.
Laurel
Hi Paul, I just wanted to give a quick report on the Craftsman Pro Series 26 HP V-Twin Kohler Elite 54″ Turn Tight Extreme Garden Tractor that you recommended for us. We took your recommendation and bought this mower. I LOVE THIS MOWER! It has a pretty comfortable ride and the steering is incredible. I am used to a very hard handling steering but this is almost a power steering! It is wonderful! Thank you very much for all your advice.
If there were one thing that I would complain about it is that when you hit a bump and bounce on the seat the mowing blades shut off. At first I didn’t know what had happened (as I am wearing ear protection). Is there anyway to make that less sensitive?
If not, oh well, I’ll have to just pay attention.
Again, Thanks for your prompt help.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Laurel, You are very welcome! I knew you would like it! I’ll ask Craftsman if they have a mod like softer springs for the seat.
Ulric
A tad north of Houston, Tx….. It’s time for a new mower, trying to keep cost under 3k… bouncing between lawn tractor and ztr.
I’ve got roughly 1-3/4 to 2 acres to cover, moderately flat.. fair number of trees & flower beds, fairly flat but not necessarily
smooth all over.
I’ve got a truck and tractor for hauling and pulling…. just need to cut and maybe bagger/sweeper for some cleanup.
…not sure if I’d better better served with the ZTR or lawn tractor with a larger deck (ie: “42 toro or Hustler, vs D140/D160/170)… we’ve made do over the years with the lawn tractors
but it’s a long dirty & boring ride.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Ulric, I read two things that narrow my suggestion down to 2 mowers. Speed and rough lawn. The 52 inch Hustler Raptor and the 52 inch Big Dog Alpha.
With the 52 inch size you can mow your property in about an hour and there is an optional front flex fork that will smooth out the ride on your rough lawn considerably. These are tough mowers capable of giving you many years of use.
The Raptor and the Alpha are the same machines. Hustler aims their brand more to industrial customers and Big Dog aims more to the commercial/residential user but they are both part of Excel Industries. The mowers come out of the same factor in Kansas. They have the same specs and the same options.
Go to Hustler Turf and Big Dog Mowers and enter your zip code to find a dealer close to you. I found about a dozen dealers just north of Houston. Here’s one that handles both brands:
Z-Riders of Texas
12946 Grant
Cypress, TX 77429
(281) 370-2486
I strongly suggest buying from a dealer. They may give you a little better deal on the flex forks so you can stay within your 3K budget.
Jordan
I noticed in another post where someone had used a cell phone app and your reply was that on the iphone app 30% would be a slope of 15 degrees. We used the iphone level app and it was 20 degrees. We have used a yard machine MTD lawn tractor for years and mowed the ditch slope by mowing across (not up or down). The ditch has a gradual slope from the sidewalk up to the street (with the upside by the street). Do you still feel that a ZTR wouldn’t be a good choice?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Jordan, I’m still a little nervous about it but the Toro Lawn Mowers TimeCutter SS4225 42 in. 22-HP Kohler Zero-Turn Riding Mower with Smart Speed 74721
is still the best choice. Why?
The Toro has the Smartspeed and you can put the transmission in Trim and it won’t hurt the trans to mow on a slop. If you use the mow position you may overheat the transmissions and they may fail prematurely.
Like I said before, The manufactures say don’t mow over 15 degrees. I can only tell you what not to do. I can’t make you not do it. I tipped a running zero-turn over backwards once and lived to tell about it. Very few people are that lucky.
Jordan
We live in Southeast Kansas and we are looking at the Toro TimeCutter SS4225 42″; the Cub Cadet RZT L 42 in. 22 HP V-Twin Dual Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Riding Mower; or the Craftsman 42″ 22hp V-Twin Briggs and Stratton Zero Turn. This will be our first ZTR lawn mower purchase. We have approximately 1/2 acre in town, includes a garage, shed, couple of trees and landscaping around the house. We have a ditch that has approximately a 20 degree slope. Could you compare these three to our needs and would you recommend these mowers or maybe another one? We were looking at spending around $2200-$2700.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Jordan, I would pick the Toro Lawn Mowers TimeCutter SS4225 42 in. 22-HP Kohler Zero-Turn Riding Mower with Smart Speed 74721
. I like the 3 speed drive so you can pull a cart without worrying about the transmissions.
The Cub Cadet and Craftsman cut well but I feel the Toro is a heavier-built ZTR all-around. The Craftsman does not mow in reverse.
You ditch is too steep for any zero-turn or tractor. The manufactures only rate residential mowers for 15 degrees. Toro has a new 4-wheel drive mower that will work very well on that slope. Toro Lawn Mowers Recycler 22 in. All-Wheel Drive Personal Pace Variable Speed Self-Propelled Gas Lawn Mower with Briggs & Stratton Engine 20353
. If you don’t need to bag just hang the bagger up in your garage.
Harvey
Hey Paul, it’s Harvey from Floyds Knobs, IN again. This time of year the grass is very thick and wet even when it hasn’t rain for a while. I’m finding I have to manually clean under the deck after every cut, which is a pain. I contacted Big Dog about installing the washout kit on my Alpha MP 60 and they DO NOT support this installation, as it will void any warranty on the deck and attachments. I’m considering a mulch kit but in my mind this enclosure surrounding the blades would cause even more clogging, especially with thick, wet grass. Have you used mulch kits on your mowers? If so, what has been your experience with them?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Harvey, Don’t install a mulch kit until the grass slows down. In your area probably the 1st of June. Yes, With the mulch kit it will build up more and you will end up having a wet, sloppy mess on your lawn. Your clipping will look like you ran them through your kitchen blender.
This time of year – probably until middle-late May – Just mow it. Don’t worry about the build up under the deck. I would just clean it out if it gets to the point where it is leaving strips or the grass is not blowing out the discharge.
I’ve had to deal with your type of growth in Central-Northern Illinois. Wet, moisture laden grass. I remember I had one 20 acre lawn that the owner contractor with FS to apply the fertilizer. They used the farm spreader and the lawn ended up growing at 3/4 of an inch a day! We usually mowed 30-40 hours before we cleaned the deck and sharpened the blades.
Harvey
Thanks Paul, that’s kinda what I thought.
Andre
Yesterday evening it happened!!!! My Ferris IS600Z was delivered!!!!! Wow and amazing are where I’ll start. Now mind you, my neighbor has that bright yellow model with the black lettering that can be procured at the local big box store, and we have similar yards, but by far, the Ferris can cut much faster with a 48″ deck vs his 50″. Granted, the Ferris does have 25Hp vs 23Hp. But the suspension is what really makes the difference, you can see him bouncing and having to slow down in the long straights, whereas the Ferris was very stable, and the deck really is floating independent of the suspension. Think “old school” Ford F150 with the “twin I beam” front axle, now swap the word axle with deck beam, and envision it parallel to the frame. During my tire kicking and shop talk at the different vendors, I did pick up a few “hints” along the way, plus forums and websites such as this that are informative by nature, one can easily understand the dynamics of the ZT over traditional lawn tractor. Failing to mention several you-tube videos would be erroneous…
Armed with that data, and engraining that left controls left and right, well it controls right, regardless of direction, I was off and crawling rather quickly. It wasn’t too long and the throttle was up to mid-point and the laterals were becoming an extension of my hands. Soon after, the throttle was up, the deck set and lowered and the PTO engaged.
Total damage, 2 divots at separate locations, two limbs that required removal, one scratched ROPS.
A very well cut yard and a good ole boy smiling from ear to ear….I will say, my cutting time might be reduced, but my time on mower might be increased…
Did I mention,,, my Ferris IS600Z is nothing short of awesome????
Louisville, KY
Paul Sikkema
Hi Andre! I’m glad you got the right mower for you! Just remember to keep the wheel on the inside of the turn moving and those divots will go away.
I have a lot of people who love the suspension and a few that hate it. After thinking about it all of the people who don’t like it as very small – like 100-130 lbs.
Now don’t make too much fun of your neighbor’s bumble…bee.
Brandon
Brandon from Tulsa again. Can you please compare the engines and transmissions on the JD Z425 and the Raptor SD. With Deere using their own components on their mowers, it’s hard to compare to everyone else who outsources.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Brandon, John Deere brands their engines but it appears to be a Briggs & Stratton Intek Plus. I rate that engine and the Kawasaki residential (FR) in the Raptor SD the same for long life, torque and features. Both the John Deere engine in this mower and the Kawasaki FR have a great reputation.
The transmissions in the two mowers are different brands but they are the same quality. These are semi-commercial drives and you won’t have problems with either one even moving slopes. The transmissions are sized correctly for both mowers and will last you a long time. I really don’t have a preference for one or the other.
Brandon
Sorry for the repeat posts, my computer locked up and I didn’t think the first one went through. Thank you for your response, that’s exactly what I needed.
Paul Sikkema
@Brandon, no problem. I hold all comments until I can read them (to keep the trolls off the site) and sometimes it takes me a while to answer. So sometimes it will appear that it didn’t get to me.
Harvey
Hi Paul,
I just watched the video of the Hustler Raptor with the flip up deck. What a great idea! This makes cleaning the deck and sharpening/replacing the blades a breeze. On the subject of cleaning the deck, I’ve read several blogs and reviews about spraying the deck with a lubricant to help keep the grass from sticking so bad. I must admit that lifting the mower and cleaning under the deck is the one thing I hate the most so anything I can do to make this job easier I’m all for. Have you used this practice before and if so what did you use to coat the deck? I’d love to use my pressure washer but have read that you can ruin the spindles if you’re not careful. Any suggestions?
Harvey
Floyds Knobs, IN
Paul Sikkema
Hi Harvey, 20 years ago when we were still using enamel spray paint to paint the decks “slip-n-slide” was a good idea but today it is a waste of money for two reasons.
1. Todays decks are powder coated. A dry polymer is electrostatically applied to the deck and then it is baked on the metal. This gives you a very hard and slippery surface.
2. Almost all decks also have a deck wash system. When you are done mowing and before the wet grass underneath the deck dries hook your garden hose up to the deck wash, turn on the water, and then run your deck until the water coming out the discharge chute is clear ( 3-5 minutes) Once year or so remove the deck and soak any build-up with water and detergent (I love scrubbing bubbles bathroom cleaner) and then scrub it down with a stiff bristle brush. Don’t use a metal scraper or wire brush because that will scratch the powder coat. Any spots that are wearing through to the bare metal spray with Rustoleum spray paint. Rustoleum bonds better than the other brands.
Harvey
Thanks Paul. Since my Big Dog didn’t come with a deck wash system I’ll have to install one myself. I have one on my Cub Cadet LTX 1050 but I’m not impressed with how it works. I guess it’s better than nothing.
Paul Sikkema
@Harvey, Here is a kit: Husqvarna OEM415598 Universal Lawn Tractor Deck Wash Kit (Discontinued by Manufacturer)
. Your local Sears may have one hanging on the shelf.
Harvey
Thanks a bunch Paul. I’ll see if I can find one.
Brandon
Brandon from Tulsa again. Paul, how would you compare the engines and transmissions on the JD 425 and the Raptor SD?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Brandon, John Deere brands their engines but it appears to be a Briggs & Stratton Intek Plus. I rate that engine and the Kawasaki residential (FR) in the Raptor SD the same for long life, torque and features.
The transmissions are different brands but they are the same quality. These are semi-commercial drives and you won’t have problems with either even moving slopes. The transmissions are sized correctly for both mowers.
Henry
Hi Paul, just wanted to say thank you for all your advise on zero turn mowers. I just ordered a Ferris IS700Z, 52in cut, 27hp Briggs Commercial Turf Series. I mow 2-5 acres some of which was once pasture and farm land, some not so smooth. He even upgraded the seat suspension and added lights and hitch for very little. My other choice was the Grasshopper 226V, which in spec was close to the Ferris, but i got a better feeling with Ferris dealer. So thank you and i will give you an update after a good break in period.
Dale
Hi Paul,
I’m looking at a Hustler Raptor SD 54″, have you seen the new ones with the flip up deck? I haven’t actually seen one of these but I like the concept. I’m a little OCD on the cleaning part and the flip up deck is right up my alley. I’m also looking at the Badboy CZT Elite 54″. Both with Kawasakis. Residential use for less than 2 acres, probably overkill on the mowers, but I tend to be that way.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Dale, Yes, I have seen it and it really works well. All you have to do is throw a latch and then flip a switch. I have a video of it but I can’t find it right now.
Here’s the video:
Tony
Paul,
I am looking to get a Zero Turn Mower. I have narrowed it down to the Toro Time Cutter SS5000 and the Hustler Raptor 52″. Both have multiple dealers of equal quality nearby. I am having trouble deciding between the two. I can get both for the same price, and want to get a good looking yard, as quickly as possible each week. My question is which of these mowers would give me the best cut at the higher end of their speed range. Also they have multiple options for engines. The Toro has Kawasaki, Kohler, and Toro, and the Hustler has the Kawasaki. I have heard that the Kohler engines quality has dropped dramatically, and that the Kawasaki used to be a junk engine, but now seem to be what is preferred. I have never heard anything about the Toro engine since it is relatively new. Which mower and engine would you recommend and why?
Thanks,
Tony
Hot Springs, Virginia
Paul Sikkema
@Tony for speed I would go with the Hustler. By the way, the rumor you heard about the Kohler were with the old Courage models. They had a habit of leaking valve covers and blowing the head gasket on one side. The new Kohler 7000 series are great. I expect no issues with the new Toro engines.
Scotty J
Why not then get the Big Dog Alpha 52″ which had a kawasaki engine, more comfortable seat, led lights and a 7 year warranty?
Paul Sikkema
@Scotty, That is an option if he has a Big Dog dealer in his local area. It’s the the same mower just with different options. (and more money)
al pestche
Paul,
I have a hill with about a 32-35% slope when I used a smartphone app to determine slope. I was planning to get used JDx540 with rear weights and 1″ spacers for rear wheels or JDx534aws or JDx485 to do this slope. I see you now recommend Toro TimeCutter® SWX5050, would this be better than these tractors? I picked these tractor due to their wider wheel stance, x534aws has the widest rear stance of tractors. My first choice was buying a tractor but I am wondering if Toro SWX5050 would be best choice? Let me know your thoughts? Thanks
Paul Sikkema
Hi Al, First off I would stay very far away from the AWS (all wheel steer) The center of gravity moves when you turn and any turning on the slope would give you real problems.
30% on the iPhone app should be about 15 degree slope. You are right at the limit for what any of the manufactures suggest is the max.
.
Now, With a tractor you mow up and down the hill. The tractor is balanced with the engine weight on the front.
With a Zero-Turn you mow across the hill. The engine weight is on the rear so going up the hill can cause issues with balance. Side to side across the hill gives it the best stability. With the big rigs like the Kut-Kwik we start at the bottom and always turn up-hill.
So, my answer is for you, what is the best way for you to mow the hill? If up and down is the best way then go with the X540. If mowing across is the best way go with the SWX5050.
One other mower to consider. With the X540 you are getting into the price of a commercial zero-turn. Take a look at the steering wheel Cub Cadet Z-FORCE® SZ COMMERCIAL SERIES before you make your final decision. The 60 inch version would be the most stable of all the mowers. Cub Cadet was demoing it at GIE-EXPO last fall on a 15 degree slope and it hung on it like a billy goat.
Pete T
Pete T, NY: Hi Paul, I used the winter to contemplate what to buy to efficiently mow my 1/3 acre lot (something better than the 21″ Honda). I agree with you that a zero turn is not for a lawn like mine. I have it narrowed down to the 30″ push mower (concern is I will have the same problem with grass building up in the deck frequently during the spring) and a 36″ belt drive commercial walk behind such as Toro t bar or exmark metro ecs, where I would hope clumping/buildup isn’t an issue. I thought trimstar or scag swzt, but for the price and my use, it isn’t worth it. People say the commercial walk behinds are hard to use, but are they really that hard??? I’m getting there with my decision. Your blog is very helpful.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Pete, I’m one of those people who could never get the hang of the controls on most commercial walk-behind’s but I absolutely love the Toro T-Bar controls. (either belt or hydro) You can drive one with one-hand and they give a perfect cut even in the rain.
In fact, if I could find an old 36 inch Toro T-Bar to rebuild I wouldn’t ever use a rider on my acre. The 36 and 48 inch floating deck models give the best cut period.
Toro/Exmark now have the 30 inch walk-behinds and owners really like them. The Toro version is the homeowner model. Toro Lawn Mowers Personal Pace TimeMaster 30 in. Variable Speed Self-Propelled Walk-Behind Gas Lawn Mower with Briggs & Stratton Engine 20199
Josh
Hey Paul I am really torn as to whether I want a zero turn or a garden tractor. I have 1 acre to mow. Flat in the front. And flat coming out away from the rear porch then a very very mild slight slope then flattens back out to the woods in the back of the yard. Have the well house and 3-4 large oaks in the front, about 6 dog woods grouped together in threes in the rear. My yard is about 75 yards wide 60 yards long in the front and about a 100 yards long in the back, give or take on those numbers. The back has several mole hills and seems to stay trampled by my little furry four legged friends (may have to take the crossbow to them this fall!) I also have a garden in the back as well. I know a zero turn will be the fastest cut. That’s a proven fact when talking just mowing a lawn. But I like the versatility of a garden tractor. 95-98% of the use will be cutting grass. I don’t have a ATV like my brother for pulling a cart/trailer in the yard or when doing carpentry projects around the home. My driveway is fairly long. It was pain in my 32 yr old back this past winter shoveling off the snow. I am torn between the husqvarna GT52xls, GT54ls, and the RZ5425 and Z254. I like them all! This is one heck of a hard decision. Price wise they are all in my ball park in that 2500-3500 dollar range. How does the time compare it would take for an acre with one of those GT vs ZRT? Any advise or guidance would greatly be appreciated.
Thanks so much!
Josh- Pfafftown NC
Paul Sikkema
Hi Josh, Are you close enough to see the mountains north of you?
OK, let’s go through them. First the decks. They all use the same decks except the GT52XLS. The engines are all the same quality and the horse or two difference won’t be noticed. I want to rule out the RZ5425 right away. It’s last years stuff and the Z254 has had a lot of improvements. I really like that new ZTR.
Now with a 180 foot driveway you are a good candidate for a tractor mounted snow blower. A 42 inch for the tractor is about the same money (plus weights and chains) as a good 30 inch walk-behind snow blower.
I know the GT52XLS is interesting because it goes 8 mph but the 52 inch deck has a lot of love/hate owners. It appears that it does not mow well if the grass is damp or wet. It leaves clumps and won’t mow evenly.
The GT54LS goes the normal tractor speed (5.5 mph) but where it really shines is the trans. The K66ELD has an automatic locking differential so slopes, pulling your cart, and getting really great traction when blowing snow. Both transmissions are bulletproof but the K66 wins for the locking diff.
Finally, the GT54LS and the Z254 use the same deck. So they will both mow about the same speed. Both decks have the reinforcement around the bottom. The only advantage the Z254 would have is maneuvering around obstacles and at the end of a mowing row. With the same deck the Z254 will only save you about 15% on your mowing time.
Feel free to ask any other questions.
Josh
Thanks for the reply Paul. I cannot see the mountains from my home. If I were two counties west I certainly could. Snow is not a huge concern. Maybe 6″ a year a lot of snow here is 8″ or more. Which we have doubled this yr and last. I have heard the Husqvarna fab decks have trouble blowing the grass out cleanly. Especially damp cuts. Which that’s kinda obvious to me. That’s any mower deck IMO. My brothers YT with fab 46″ had that problem but the awesome dealer we have switched him to a 48″ stamped deck and problem solved. The main thing I want to pull or move is my 14′ Lowe Jon boat. It’s light. Need to bring it up the VERY slight (it’s more of a steady decline of levelness out to about 20-25′) slope I have in the back yard into the driveway to hook to the truck. I’m sure a zero turn with the right tranny could handle that no problem? The new Husqvarna Z line is definitely nice with new ergonomic and creature comfort updates. I don’t think I’ll go wrong with either Husqvarna GT or Z. What I don’t want to happen is get a GT and a month later have buyers remorse over not getting the zero. Far as a locking diff I don’t think it’s a deal breaker. But is always good to have and not need then need it an not have it. If I go ZTR that will just give me reason to get a ATV right? Lol I certainly love the Husqvarna products I feel they are a great value for your money and I’m talking the real Husqvarna the dealer only ones. I think their big ol GT are bad a$$ machines and look killer. I guess I’m in a win win situation?
Thanks again’
Josh-Pfafftown NC
Gerry
Hi Paul,
I just discovered your web site and WOW it is very well done!!! You really know your stuff about mowers. We are working on landscaping a couple of very hilly acres in the Black Hills of South Dakota. Lots of pine trees, rocks, ruts and steep slopes. We have 1/2 acre of planted grass and 1&1/2 acre native hillside grass. We only need to mow/mulch 3 times a year. The old lawn tractor with chains is not safe and gets stuck or spins out. Currently doing the mowing with the old Honda walk behind mower takes a couple of days. We have a UTV for plowing snow, moving firewood and use a swisher bucket for light landscaping.
My question for you is should I purchase a used (11.5 hours) Husqvarna 322T AWD for $4000 or a new Toro SW5000 50 in for $3000. My concern with the Toro is it is a 1st year item and new engine – I don’t need a lemon. Concern on the Husky is the narrow and short wheel base being rough and tipsy?
Really would value your unbiased opinion on our mower needs. Thanks for your assistance and great web site!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Gerry, Have you considered the DR Field and Brush Mower 26″ 14.5 HP Electric Start Pro
?
It will handle the hills, the rough stuff and you can add other attachments like a finish mower.
The Husqvarna is good going up and down the hills but if you have to turn on the hill you are correct, it’s too narrow.
The Toro SW5000 is a better choice but still not the best choice. While it is better on the side hills I’m concerned that the EZT-2200 transmissions may give out after the warranty runs out.
A better choice is the Toro Lawn Mowers TimeCutter SWX5050 50 in. Fab 24.5 HP V-Twin Zero-Turn Riding Mower with Smart Park 74797
. It has the heavy-duty transmissions for the hills and a fabricated deck to handle the heavier growth in your native area.
I’m not worried about the new engine. Toro does not make junk. The mower itself is not new. It just has the front steering added on to a great zero turn
Feel free to ask more questions.
Andre
Hi Paul,
I’m a residential homeowner with 1 acre now, and will gain another 3-4 acres in a couple years, or so my plan is laid.
I have been looking at the Ferris IS600z as it will handle both today’s and tommorrow’s needs.
After stumbling across this article, I’m questioning my determination to spend $5K on the “Ferrari” of Prosumer zero-turns. The dealer was very accomodating to allow me to drive it around their facility and test it out. They also offer after sale services at “no-charge” (except parts) for new purchases, something the dealership does, or so they lay claim. Which includes a pick-up, Fall service, blade tuning, machine tweaking/balancing/leveling etc and return. The only “claimed” cost is for the actual consumables.
I did notice that the front axle articulated very well going over the rough ground and the ride was rather comforatable, but the the deck was not engaged… It was very easy to steer and I managed to do a complete 0 turn, and walk the edge of the trim line for several feet, this being my first time ever on a zero turn! Lastly, I’d like to add, with it’s 900+ weight and serviceable hydro-gear ZT3400 transaxles with fans, the dealer claims it can handle most “residental” grade attachments that my current Husqvarna YTH can pull.
Help me man, do I spend the cash, or buy a heavier duty lawn tractor?
Unincorporated-Hardin County, KY.
Paul Sikkema
@Andre, Since you are buying a commercial mower the dealer is giving you the “commercial” treatment. Most dealers have special offers for the commercial businesses. The dealer sounds like someone I would do business with.
The Ferris is a nice mower and the suspension makes it look cooler than most of the other zero-turns. On a 5 acre residential property it will be the last mower you’ll need to buy.
The dealer is correct. You can pull all your attachments. I used to pull two 600 lbs wing mowers behind a zero-turn with those transaxles and never had an issues with them.
Lawn/garden tractors will only mow at about 1/2 the speed that the Ferris will mow at. They will be rougher riding and not as maneuverable. Plus blades, bearings, belts will wear out faster on the Garden Tractor. The life expectancy of the commercial engines in the Ferris are measured in thousands of hours – the garden tractor engines life are measured in hundreds of hours. If you take care of the IS600z it will last 3 to 4 times as long as a lawn/garden tractor. When you look at the cost of a garden tractor ($3000) and the lifespan for your yard the Ferris becomes a great deal.
Henry
Hi Paul, Got some great advise from you last year on zero turn to buys. However got sick and did not buy one. Well gotten my picks down to two. 1. Grasshopper 226 -V or 2. Feriris is 700Z both are 52in cu the 226 is about $500 cheaper. What do you think is a better machine. Thanks
Paul Sikkema
Hi Henry, I like the Grasshopper. They have been around since the beginning and have always built great mowers. They are extremely rugged machines and built so well a lot of municipalities use them. They have a lot better reputation than the Ferris models. I like the way you sit up straight on them. You are a lot less tired when you are on one all day. If your lawn is smooth enough it will mow at 8 mph!
Did you know the suspension on the Ferris is more show than useful? If the suspension actually worked on the Ferris the deck would bounce all over and leave your lawn looking rough when you mowed.
Brandon
Hi Paul, I live north of Tulsa, Ok. I spent over an hour reading over all these comments. Very helpful. I believe I know what you’ll say, but I’d like to hear the details why. I mow 2.25 mole infested acres. I have a problematic back, so comfort is important. $4000 price point. I had been looking at the John Deere Z425 with 54-inch deck, but I kept seeing you suggest the Raptor. How do you compare the Deere tranny to the ZT2800? Can you tell me what I’d be missing out on if I bought the Deere, or if there is another mower that you’d recommend for $4000?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Brandon, I have not had a chance to write a review of the 425 series Deere’s yet this year and you are the first to ask. The Z425 cuts really well and it will actually cut in your big open areas at 7 MPH (The unit goes 8.5!) It’s easy to work on and clean.
Be aware that the Deere decks cut very well, but they are not field mowers. If you are mowing every 7-10 days they do very well, but if you want to mow a field twice a year it’s not the best choice.
You can buy it here through Home Depot. They will have a dealer set it up and deliver it to your home. John Deere Lawn Mowers Z425 54 in. 22 HP Hydrostatic Gas Zero-Turn Riding Mower BM24656
As far as the Deere compared to the Hustler – they are very comparable. In this case I would look at the dealers and make my decision based on the dealer you like best. If you have any more questions feel free to ask.
Harvey
Hi Paul,
I’m new to this site and glad I found it. I live in Floyds Knobs, Indiana and I have been doing tons of research on Zero Turns over the last couple of months. I’ll be mowing approximately 3 aces a week and believe the best choice is a ZTR over a tractor mower given the amount of trees and obstacles involved. Most blogs or reviews I read are on sites that sell the units so I’m not real happy taking advise from them. You on the other hand seem to provide the best, unbiased reviews and opinions, which I think everyone appreciates. I’ve narrowed my choices, interestingly enough, to some of the units you recommend, (Hustler Raptor, Toro TimeCutter, Ariens Zoom, etc.) but I still find myself torn over which engine is best. The reviews I read seem to be about 50/50 on Kohler vs. Kawasaki. I’ve always leaned towards Kohler and since these units have the 7000 Pro Series I feel a bit better about choosing the Kohler. I’ve read an awful lot of reviews that warn against the Kawasaki because of higher costs and lack of parts. I’d love to hear your personal preference based on your experience and knowledge. Thanks!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Harvey, Yes, you have narrowed your choices down to three very similar mowers. All three are available at The Home Depot
or a local dealer.
Hustler and Kawasaki have a great working relationship so if the Raptor is really the mower you want your local dealer will have no problems getting warranty work done on the engine. This is Kawasaki’s residential motor so it is no better than the Kohler 7000 or Briggs Pro series. But, I know quite a few non-Hustler dealers who are having a hard time getting warranty repairs for Kawasaki engines.
Toro also has their own engine now and this new engine was specifically designed for use in a zero-turn mower. It features a 2 barrel carb that puts the right amount of fuel in each cylinder. Yes, you can also get the Kohler but don’t be afraid of the Toro engine.
The Kohler 7000 is quickly gaining a great reputation. All the quirks and oil leaks of the old Courage model have been fixed. It has the “consistent cut” which regulates the engine speed sooner so the engine doesn’t lag when mowing heavy grass.
My personal opinion stems back to when I owned the landscape company. That was 15 years ago but some memories are hard to forget. Back then Kawasaki was known as the “throw-away.” You could buy a new zero-turn for $300 less with a Kawasaki instead of a Kohler Command so many landscapers bought them. But they were a lot more expensive to rebuild than the Kohler’s and they didn’t last as long. So most landscapers just threw the worn out Kaw’s away and bought a new motor (or a Kohler) when the first one wore out. (Which again cost a lot more than a Kohler rebuild) Kawasaki is still very competitive on price to the manufactures so you still find them on a lot of mowers.
Take a long, hard look at the Ariens. It doesn’t get a lot of love because it is primarily marketed to homeowners even though it is the same mower as the Gravely.
Harvey
Thanks for the advice Paul. I had pretty much decided on the Hustler Raptor SD 54 and headed to the dealer to buy it. When I got there they had a Big Dog Alpha MP 60 on sale for less than the Raptor. Although it had a Kawasaki engine at least it was the FR730V, the largest in the FR series. I had researched both mowers and knew they were Excel Industries products so the quality was never in doubt. Plus, the MP 60 had a lot of extras that the SD 54 didn’t have. Getting the 60 inch cut, plus the extras and a 7 year 500 hour warranty, all for under $4K was too much to pass up. I’m very happy with the deal I got and only time will tell if I made the right decision.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Harvey, Yes, I like the features of the Big dog line. Excel created the Big Dog line just for dealers and it has more features that homeowners and smaller lawn contractors want. The new front lights are really bright! Free free to let us know later on how you like it.
Harvey
So far I love it Paul. The steering is very tight and responsive and the cut is very nice. I’m really looking forward to putting it through its paces this summer.
Paul Sikkema
Hi Harvey, Which mower did you get?
Harvey
Sorry about that Paul. I thought replying to the message stream kept all the responses together. I got the Big Dog Alpha MP 60. It’s a great mower and does a great job.
Harvey Guilford
Hello Paul,
This is a 1 year follow-up to the messages I sent you last year about my Big Dog Alpha MP 60 ZTR. Now that I’ve had it and used it for a while I thought this would be a good time for a fresh review. I have to say I’m not as thrilled as I was when I first bought it and started using it. I’ve had a terrible time trying to get and keep the right control arm adjusted properly. That in and of itself is really more annoying than anything. Since I live in Southern Indiana where the winters aren’t extremely harsh I opt to not winterize my mowers. I have a heater in my garage so I can work on cars and equipment year round. Every other week I would start up my mowers and drive them around and kick on the PTO to make sure everything stays in good running order. Last month when I took the Big Dog out for a run-up prior to changing the engine and transmission oil I couldn’t get the PTO to stay on. Whenever I would engage the PTO the engine would immediately die. No matter what I did or how long I let the engine warm up it would always die when the PTO was engaged. I verified the clutch, PTO switch, and safety switches were all in good working order. The blades moved fine by hand and the belt was good and properly routed. This mower only has 92 operating hours so I’m really upset and perplexed at this issue. I know I have the warranty to fall back on but it is still upsetting knowing I’ll have to take it back to the dealer for warranty work this soon. Have you ever had or heard of this issue with other mowers?
Paul
Hi Harvey, I’m 95% sure that’s a safety switch or the parking brake. Does your mower have a separate parking lever? If it does make sure the brake is off before you try to turn on the deck. If the park is part of the lap-bars – make sure both bars are fully moved to the run position.
If that’s not it then check the seat switch. Tip the seat forward, find the wires going into the seat – unhook the connector and then put it back on. Just removing it and then putting it back on usually is enough to clean the connector. Then try the mower.
I know, you have checked the rest of these but pull the connector off and then put it back on.
If that doesn’t work, try each safety switch for the lap bars. Do it one at a time so you know which one will give you problems in the years to come.
Finally if all that doesn’t work there may be a fuse under the control panel. You may have to remove the panel the ignition switch is on to get to the fuse.
p.s. don’t be embarrassed if it’s the parking brake – I do it all the time myself.
Wayne
Paul,
I currently am looking to upgrade from my lawn tractor (2005 Craftsman DLT3000 42in w/ 18.5hp Briggs Intek) to a zero turn. I have 1/2 residential yard with very little obstacles and flat land. I live in Baton Rouge, LA. I have been doing much research over the last month since this will be quite an investment (and one I do not have to do, but have wanted to upgrade to for while). I know I want a zero turn with a mowing deck between 42-48in. Originally I had about 5 or 6 different brands/models I was looking at including Husqvarna Z246i, Hustler Raptor, Toro Time Cutter SS4265, Craftsman, and Gravely. I too have had some debate on not only the mower models, but which engine brand to go with (Briggs, Kawasaki or Kohler). After discussing with a guy that does some small engine work for me, I quickly ruled out Kohler because of the whole Courage issues. Again, some mowers you don’t have a choice I know – but I don’t know how much weight to put on the engine brand in order to sway my choice on mower brand/model.
Little bit about me, I keep up my stuff very well and routinely maintenance everything (regular oil changes, air filter etc). In fact, my 2005 Craftsman still looks brand new because I keep it up so well.
I think I have pretty much narrowed it down to these 3 in order: Husqvarna Z246i w/ Briggs Command, Hustler Raptor w/ 21.5 Kawasaki or Toro SS4265.
I would like your professional opinion on which of these 3 may suite me best. Also, how much importance or weight to put on the questions I have below.
Should I worry as much about deck gauge being 12 vs 13 and stamped vs fabricated? Is it huge advantage for my price point the Hustler comes with 11 ga fab deck? (I have heard that even though some manufactures say its fab decks, it may be of lesser quality metal than typical commercial grade fab decks….thus maybe not as big of advantage – True?)
Is the Kawasaki a much more reliable and stronger engine than the Briggs Command?
Are the extra gadgets on the Husqvarna such as new SmartSwitch Keyless start and Spring assisted Deck lift system (now on side console) big advantages?
And how good is the warranty/brand support from any of these 3 manufactures? (I will be purchasing any of these 3 from a dealer and NOT a big box store like Home Depot).
Your help is much appreciated!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Wayne, since you are going to buy at a dealer the main thing you want to look at is the dealer. They will take care of the warranty, questions and problems that are outside the warranty. If the dealer is a dud – then you won’t be happy with the machine or the warranty – no matter what the warranty statement says. The dealer is more important than the brand because they are your only resource for getting things fixed.
Walk into the dealers and just talk to them about their machines. Do the rip on the other brands? Do they rip on other dealers? If they do stay away.
Do they act shady and make promises they won’t keep. Ask them for referrals. If they won’t give you any – there may be something wrong.
Are they a full service dealer? Or do they work out of their garage or even worse – their car?
Will they order you what you want or do they want to just sell you what they have setting around.
Now for the mowers. The Briggs on the Husqvarna is one of their best. No you don’t need the electronic push-button ignition but it is nice because you can code it so no one else can start it. It’s harder to steal that way.
The Kaw FR series in the Hustler is no better than the Briggs, Kohler 7000 or the new Toro engines. Hustler has a good relationship with Kawasaki but I would not specify that engine for the other brands.
The Toro you are looking at is a 2014. The 2015 models have a 3 position smart speed switch. I would take the new Toro engine over the Kawasaki FR.
Fabricated decks are the toughest and if you are rough on your equipment they are your best choice. Stamped decks give you the best cut. The decks on the Husqvarna and the Toro cut really, really well.
Again, the dealer and how you like them is much more important than the factory warranty.
Wayne
Paul,
Thanks for the quick reply and the info you gave. I have already spoken with in person all 3 dealers (Husqvarna, Hustler and Toro). In fact, two of the dealers sell both the Toro and Hustler. I understand to find out ahead of time which dealer will be easier to deal with and back their products etc. I guess I have some additional questions from your reply.
So, since I have a 1/2 residential yard (new home with just flowerbeds against house and only 3 small trees less than 10ft tall) which deck will be more of advantage to me? Meaning, I am a person who appreciates having better quality that will last and be tough (fabricated decks) but also take pride in my lawn and want to ensure even cutting and good cuts to prevent from diseases attacking my grass. Also to notate, most of my lawn is St. Agustine, however in the backyard most of it is just whatever grew there from dirt being hauled in and can grow quite thick and fast in summer time.
Also, if you had to pick between the Husqvarna or this years Toro which would you choose and why? What is the 2015 model equivalent Toro to their SS4265? Is the new Toro engine a Briggs manufactured only for Toro?
I was told by my small engine mechanic that in the $3K or less price range I am looking there really isn’t much difference between them all and that it may just come down to me sitting down on each and taking them for a spin. Guess what he is saying is which one feels the best to me. Would you agree?
Paul Sikkema
@Wayne, The 2015 models are 42″ (107 cm) TimeCutter® SS4200 (74720) Toro Engine and 42″ (107 cm) TimeCutter® SS4225 (74721) Kohler engine.
The deck on the Toro is a good solid deck and I believe it’s thicker than the Husqvarna. It has great airflow and cuts very evenly. You will like it.
The Toro engine is not made by Briggs. It is their own design.
Yes, try them out if you can. There is a big difference in the different brands but the 3 you are looking at are 3 of the best.
Wayne
I was told the SS4235 was the big box models that Toro sold and the SS4260 was what dealers sell (dealer price was $2,999). Does that sound correct? If so did the SS4200 replace the 4260? I don’t care for the single cylinder from what I see in the SS4200.
Also, one dealer that sells the Toro also sells Exmark – which I know is a very good brand in commercial zero turns. However that dealer said Toro owns Exmark and as far as the residential Quest models of only be paying an extra $300 more for the Exmark which is exact same as the Toro. Any truth to that??
You have DEFINATELY eased my mind that no matter which between I choose I really can’t go wrong.
My last question would be does the fab deck on the Hustler have nearly as good as a cut vs the Husqvarna? Or will I sacrifice a noticeable cut eveness on the Hustler to get a more robust heavy duty deck?
Paul Sikkema
@Wayne, That dealer is blowing smoke and wants to sell you what he has. There are no big box models. In fact if you buy from a “big box” the mower comes out of the local dealers inventory or it’s shipped from the local warehouse. The 2015 models have a 3 position Smart Speed. The Toro and Exmark come off the same assembly line. The ExMark has a slightly heavier deck and a better seat.
I missed the single cylinder, I thought that was only on the 32 inch models. Go to Toro.com and look at the SS models to see the differences/
The Hustler deck cuts just as well as the other 3. You won’t be able to tell the difference. If anything the Husqvarna deck is the slowest. It cut’s well but not as fast.
Wayne
Paul ,
I’m currently at the Husqvarna dealer test driving and later will go to Hustler dealer to do same.
Do you think it’s worth an extra $400 for the z242f than the z246i? I like the fab deck and cyclone motor on the z242f. Is that cyclone just as good as or better than endurance? Any idea on best prices you’ve seen on these 2 models?
Paul Sikkema
Hi Wayne, The Z242F has a fabricated deck and a better engine than the Z246i. It also has faster blade tip speed so it will mow faster than the Z246i.
So, The deck is heavier duty and will mow faster. The engine is a commercial series Briggs so it should last longer. Those two items make it worth the extra money.
The Z246i mows well at 4 mph. The Z242F will mow at 6 mph. Is the extra time savings, the heavier built deck and the commercial grade engine worth an extra $500 to you?
Wayne
Well again I only have 1/2 acre lot and which some of it is occupied by my house and shop. I do have half lawn st Augustine and other is just wild grown grass that can grow quick and thick. He gave me his best prices on each. It’s a $475 difference and the 242F would DEFINATELY go over my 3k budget. But again it’s a big investment either way. I would loose the led lights and smart start on the 242f. I just want to ensure I get best bang for my money. Heading to Hustler dealer later today to test drive. Ill make my choice after that. My grass getting too long lol.
Paul Sikkema
@Wayne, so speed is not a big factor for you. That makes the cheaper one a good choice. The time difference on a 1/2 acre lawn will only be about 5-7 minutes.
A commercial grade engine is not a big deal either because with a 1/2 acre lot the Briggs Endurance in the cheaper one will last the life of the mower.
The RZ46i does mow well. It bags well and if you want to mulch it does that well too.
If you need more lights here is what I am using on the Raven MPV7100 for side lights. They are just right for mowing at night. 2 pcs Set Waterproof Aluminum High Power 6W 6000K Xenon White Slim COB LED DRL Daylight Driving Daytime Running Light Lamp For Car SUV Sedan Coupe Vehicle
and they are only $8 a pair.
Wayne
Paul,
Well I ended up going with the Z246i. I tried out the Hustler. I was very impressed with the quietness of the Kawaski engine. However, I didnt like how low the seat sat and even though basics could mean less stuff to break, I felt as though it didnt have as many neat features as the Husqvarna. The Fab deck was nice, but only seemed slightly marginal better than the Husqvarna stamped deck. Had it not been for the Kawasaki motor on the Hustler it would have been a slam dunk for the Husqvarna. Both dealers were great and I felt kinda bad only 1 was going to get my business. Thanks for all your input and help!
Paul Sikkema
@Wayne, great! You will like the cut of the deck.
You bring up a good point. You can ride on a ZTR a lot longer without getting a backache if you sit up straight. One of the worst I’ve owned over the years was a Great Dane Chariot. You sat low and the seat actually tipped back a little. Your back was curved and it only took about an hours before it started to ache. In addition the levers were between your legs so getting on and off it was an issue for us old guys.
I had ExMarks that sat up straight and the guys would fight over who got them compared to the Chariot.
Well, you can always buy a string trimmer, etc. from the other guy.
Yes, I hope Briggs & Stratton is getting the message that they need to develop quieter mufflers for the lawn tractor engines.
Donald Kingham
I have almost 5 acres with a lot of sloping hills and I live in Moss Bluff, 70611 of Lake Charles, La. I had a Bad Boy Outlaw Extreme for 5 months, when the front right crossed over the edge of an embankment in a turn going around a tree, it slid down approx. 4′ , laid on it’s side and instantly caught fire. Prior to this, it would pop wheelies if you took off too fast, and going up a slight slope, I would have to take off very cautiously, and when cutting the side of a slope, the front side would be somewhat coming off the ground. It seemed very imballanced. I added a weight to the front frame as which comes on the diesel model. Seemed to work well in preventing pop ups, but i think that extra weight helped it to fall off the side of the embankment and then slide down, resulting in it turning on it side and catching fire in an instance in which I burned up $9500.00 worth of equipment.
Corey
Paul, I’m looking for a new mower since the engine caught on fire at the end of last fall on my Husqvarna lawn tractor. It had a 48″ deck and around 200 hours on it. We bought that mower when we first purchased our house back in 2011 without doing any research. We have 17 acres of which I maintain about 3 or so by the house and also I like to make another pass around the entire perimeter of the lot. I’ve go no steep hills but there are a few trees I cut around, trampolines, an in-ground pool, sand volleyball court, sheds, a chain link fence, and tree branches the dogs drag out from the woods that I run over all the time. It normally takes me half the day to maintain so I wouldn’t mind cutting that time down. I also want something heavy duty that will last for more than 3 years like the last one. I admit that I rode it hard and I’m sure I will ride the next one hard as well.
I started out thinking I wanted a zero turn because the wife thinks they will make it go so much faster. I then started looking into the Kubota tractors because I thought it would be nice to have a loader and some of the attachments that are possible but quickly realized that there is no way I could afford the price tag that comes along with that type of equipment. I’m not ruling anything out but I know I need something that will take a beating and continue to run strong for many years to come. I can’t afford anything with more than a $5K price tag but would love to keep it in the $3-4K range.
I would appreciate any thoughts and all your advice.
Paul Sikkema
@Corey, I agree with her. Sorry:) You can get a decent 48 inch fabricated deck zero-turn with heavy duty transmissions for around $4000. One of the ones I’ll recommend will easily cut your mowing time in half and last many years.
All of the mower I’ll list I like and recommend. They all have the heavy duty ZT-2800 transmissions, fabricated decks and are built well. You’ll get 10 years or longer out of any of these mowers.
Craftsman Pro 24 HP V-Twin Kohler 48” Fabricated Deck Zero Turn Riding Mower
Toro Lawn Mowers TimeCutter MX5050 50 in. 24-HP Kohler V-Twin Zero-Turn Riding Mower with Smart Speed 74770
Ariens Lawn Mowers Zoom XL 54 in. 24 HP Kohler 7000 Series V-Twin ZT2800 Transaxles Zero-Turn Riding Mower 91517300
Hustler Raptor HD 54 in. 23 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower
Corey
Paul,
Thanks for the reply and recommendations. I mentioned I was looking into the Kubota tractors but what I should have said is that I have a Kubota dealer within 5 miles and I thought it would be nice to have something so close for any maintenance or repair needs. Is there a piece a Kubota equipment you would recommend for my needs or do the four you already recommended outperform what Kubota has to offer? I’m also not big on the box stores so I kind of prefer the specialized stores. With all that being said, if the price is right, I will by from anywhere. Thanks again for your assistance and advice.
Paul Sikkema
@Corey, Unfortunately Kubota doesn’t have anything in the 4K price range. They have a small lawn tractor that costs around $3500 but in my experience they don’t last any longer than a Craftsman GT or John Deere 300 series.
Josh
Paul,
I’m in the market for a good mower and still trying to decide whether or not I want a tractor or a a small ZTR. I have .5 acres with a walkout basement (sloped from front to back). I also occasionally get a damp location in one corner of my lawn. Due to the small hill and dampness ZTR’ do not seem like a fit but I really like the look of the cut (diagnal) and ability to navigate trees. Any recommendations? It could be ZTR is not a fit but if it is, is there a good fit for my lawn?
Thank you,
Josh
Paul Sikkema
@Josh, There are three 42 inch tractors that will work better for you than a ZTR. The Craftsman 20381 42″ 19HP Riding Mower
(fender controled hydro), the Craftsman 98641 
and the Craftsman 20390 22HP 42” Turn Tight® Fast Riding Mower – 49 States
.
Pro Series 42″ 22hp Automatic Kohler Elite Yard Tractor
These tractors have a 6 inch turning radius so you can get around trees and make nice tight corners at the end of your row. They will go up the walkout better than a ZTR. If you ever want to pull a cart, install a snow blade or snow blower these three can handle that also. They cut as well as any ZTR.
hollow1107
When i bought my parents house and property in 2012 i inherited 2 riding mowers.
one a green 99 craftsman on its last legs and the other a 2009-10 craftsman zts6000( 289920).
The zts had been neglected and family members had abused it while my father was in the hospital but it still ran.
My property is 1.5 acres and the back 1/3 is long and flat with few obstacles, It is here that the zero turn shines it flys through that section much faster then any mower i own including the 2 new 2014 riding mowers i bought (20383 and 20403) Also it cuts beautifully i might add.
But up closer to my house is where it struggles, The property gets lumpy with some low lying areas that can get soggy and stay that way till the warmest parts of the season.
I often had to pull it out with the my kawasaki mule, And these parts where it got stuck i didnt think was bad at all but this thing has NO traction i found out.
The other issue is in the front yard up near the ditch there is a small hill and i do mean small.
It is a hill that in 30+ years of mowing i have never had a issue with but this zero turn is downright dangerous there.
I almost sold it when i bought the new motors but instead spent all year rebuilding nearly everything on it. I understand its limitations now and just use it on the flat section.
I might add its also the most comfortable mower ive ever sat in. But the new zero turns arent made like this one anymore.
Shayne johnstown,ohio
Paul Sikkema
@Hollow1107, Yes, I always liked how you sat up straight on that zero-turn but sitting that tall also makes you feel like the machine will tip easy. That’s also why it doesn’t like slopes at all. The high center of gravity makes it harder for the rear wheels to keep traction on the slopes. All zero-turns have traction issues because they have stiff frames unlike a lawn tractor that has an articulating front axle.
Scotty J
I will. I get it delivered in end of Feb so well give initial thoughts then will post some after owning it for a few months. I decided to get the atv style tyres instead of the turf saver ones for the extra grip. Will just have to be careful when turning on my god pristine lawn I guess. He reckons the won’t run the grass going straight. Hope he is right.
Scotty J
Thanks for your response. I really appreciate the thought. I contacted my dealer and there is no way I can afford the MD as it is another $3000 here. I will only need to do the pastures when there is no stock penned in which will not be often. He says I can type up to 200kg behind this. I get a 7 year warranty with this and he checked with the supplier who says the EZT is covered under that warranty. My ground is in really good condition and never gets boggy in bad weather. I am getting the ATV wheels on the rear. I am not to fussed with the size as I have trees that I need to get between and a few slim cattle runs to look after. S do you have any further thoughts? I was only intending to buy a ride on but went with the extra for the big dog due to its reputation.
Paul Sikkema
@Scotty, No, it sounds like you have a good solution with the warranty. I didn’t realize they have a 7 years warranty. Keep us informed on how you like it!
Scotty J
Hi this is a well written article. Thank you. I have purchased a Big Dog Alpha 42″ zero turn based on what the salesman told me. He said it would be great on hills and leave a great finish on my lawn and would also be able to do the short grass in my paddocks (I have five paddocks about 3acres in total).
He seemed to steer me well away from ride on garden /lawn tractors. He came across write convincing.
Now your article has me worried. I have not had it delivered yet. Could you look at it and tell me if this fits your description of a bad small zero turn? Everyone tells me it is the best.
I am in new Zealand and this cost me just under $8000nzd, so in USA it would be around $6300.
http://Www.bigdogmowerco.com
Alpha 42″ (not the Alpha MP)
Thanks mate.
Paul Sikkema
@Scotty, I am a little nervous about the dealer’s choice.
First, The dealer was correct in steering you away from a lawn tractor. You really need a fabricated/welded deck for mowing the area you want to mow. Paddocks (we call them pastures here) tend to be rough, uneven and have “surprises” like rocks, wood and rodent mounds. All of these can quickly ruin the deck on a lawn tractor.
1st. The Big Dog in general is a very good machine but the Alpha series only uses the EZT transaxles. I feel those transmissions are not heavy enough for hills and you will burn them up on less than 3 years.
2nd. A 42 inch is very small for 3 acres. Unless you have very small gates or a lot of close obstacles to go around I suggest going with a 48 inch deck.
So that leads me to suggest the Alpha MP. It has the heavy duty transaxles you need and the heavy duty 48 inch deck. The frame is also considerably stornger so it will handle the twists and bumps of mowing your rough ground.
Wayne M.
Lynchburg, Va. I have really enjoyed reading about ZTR mowers on your blog. It has been great to fill in a lot of blanks on what I am looking for.
I currently have about 1 acre of fairly flat yard to mow with trees and some scrubs around the edges. I currently have a JD X500 with a 48 inch deck that I have had for about 3 1/2 years. It does a great job on the yard and it only takes a little over an hour to mow. However I have wanted a ZTR mower ever since I got the JD. It only has about a 100 hours on it and I figure I can still get a good price for it.
I had pretty much dismissed the Hustler Raptor SD 54 mower until I found out today that we do have a dealer about 10 miles away. I will visit them tomorrow but from what I can see on the internet, this is a class ZTR mower. Any comment?
Thanks
Paul Sikkema
@Wayne, Hustler (Excel Industries) has been in the zero-turn business since the beginning. They have focused on the big stuff … parks, airports, industrial so they know how to build a quality product. The Raptor SD is a good example of heritage. Heavy duty chassis, heavy transmissions and a strong welded deck. They also offer front suspension and a deluxe suspension seat. I highly recommend this mower.
Your X500 is no slouch and mows well, but you will be pleasantly surprised that the Raptor SD mows just as well – at twice the speed.
Hugh
Great information Paul. Here in Knoxville TN replacing a Cub Cadet LTZ1050 with the 310-0510 hydro drive. The trans gave up after just 150 hrs mowing my somewhat steep 2.5-3 acre yard. It gradually goes from level to 10-15* incline at it’s steepest and flattens out again at top. I know now that I was doomed from the start becasue of the hill and vow to not make the same mistake again after I fix and sell the Cub. I mow either straight up and down or at a 45* angle across my yard and the incline isn’t too big of an issue safety wise so I think a zero turn will work in that regard. I’m looking at the 54″ Hustler Raptor SD you mention a lot. My question is will the ZT2800’s be enough to handle my yard? I should also mention that I am a large man so the mower will be hauling around an extra 100#’s right off the bat. Do you recommend a comparable mower that uses ZT3100’s beside the FasTrak since it has a large price jump and is probably overkill in a lot of ways. Picture of yard: https://i.imgur.com/SlZC4mc.jpg Thanks for any advice.
Paul Sikkema
@Hugh, Thanks for the picture of your lawn. It really helps. I have always liked a 60 inch deck instead of a 54. In general the 60 inch decks give a more even cut. Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 60 in. 24 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 933119
.
The ZT-2800 drives will work very well for you lawn. Each transmission has twice the torque of the trans in your old mower. Plus with the 7+ mph cutting speed you are going to get done is about an hour.
Pete
Hi Paul, I actually found a hustler dealer in my area. I was looking at the raptor 42 $2800 and raptor sd 48 $3900. The dealer suggested the hustler trimstar 36 $4600 or trimstar 48 $5000. I like the idea of a walk behind but that price is steep for my current needs. Maybe down the road I will have a larger yard but the house was just built 2 yrs ago and don’t plan on moving soon. In comparison he also sells the Toro t bar you mentioned at $3500. I can get a scag 36″ belt drive for $3800. What do you think is my best bet for a 1/3 acre lot? He said I can control the walk behind easier than zero turn resulting in less turf damage thru user error. Not sure if this is true. He also said annual maintenance performed by them is $150-$200. Should work be done every year or is every 2 suitable when I’m using for an hour a week max? Thanks for all your help
Paul Sikkema
@Pete, It really boils down to: Do you want to walk for 25 minutes or ride for 15? The items you are looking at are all great quality machines and will give you basically a lifetime of use.
I have no problem suggesting the Raptor 42. The Raptor 42 is plenty big for your yard. You will need to change the oil, oil filter and air filter every 50 hours or once a year. Plus you will need to sharpen the blades every year and replace them every 3 years or so. If you can use a hand file to sharpen the blades your total cost per year is around $40 if you do it yourself. (Having the dealer sharpen them is about $10 a blade) Yes, it can tear up the turf, but I have a feeling you can quickly learn to properly drive it.
A complete annual maintenace by the dealer includes those items and they should go through the whole machine, inspect all wear parts and lubricate the deck and wheel bearings.
The Toro walk-behind is a commercial grade mower and can go 100 hrs between oil/filter changes and 750 to 1000 hours without any other service. Sharpen the blades once a year. Total cost $30 for parts if you do it yourself.
You are correct. The Trimstar’s are nice but you don’t need that high cost of a mower. FYI: I don’t like the way the Scag operates. I know it is an industry standard but it is very un-intuitive.
Pete
Thanks for all of the information. It is very helpful. It is a hard decision for me because of the size of my mowable area (1/4 acre), cost and the fact that the exmark and other dealers here only care about their commercial clients. I tried to buy the exmark commercial 30 last year and they talked me out of it saying it was a single speed and only meant to operate at max 4.3mph, which I never understood. There is no hustler dealer here other than home depot and that has to be ordered, otherwise I would consider a raptor. I want more mowing production and won’t buy anything too cheap! Thanks, Pete
Paul Sikkema
@Pete, In case you still wanted a 30 inch, the Toro Timemaster is the same mower as the Exmark except it has a consumer engine and lacks the rollover frame.
A mower I don’t talk about often that is built even heavier than the Raptor is the Ariens Riding Lawn Mower. Zoom XL 42 in. 20 HP Kohler 7000 Series V-Twin ZT2800 Transaxles Zero-Turn 915163
. You will have to order it through Home Depot also.
Check around though and see if you have an Ariens or Gravely dealer. The Gravely ZT XL is sister/comparable machine in the Gravely line.
Rick Prosser
Thanks Paul
Gonna check out the grasshopper – looks like it might be the best solution.
Rick
Pelion, SC
Rick Prosser
Hi Paul
We have 50 wooded acres with a few areas that are cleared, but no smooth lawn. Mostly weeds and such. My wife has been using the Toro zero clearance 42″ model and it has not worked out very well. As you noted, it gets stuck in the sand, stuck on bumps, does not work well on hills, etc. Also seems to have trouble with the starter gears meshing with flywheel – often will not engage and we have replaced starters a couple of time.
Fed up and ready to get the right tool for the job. I have a tractor with bush hog, but we need a solution to mow closer to trees, fence, etc. Will be looking thru your site, but if you have recommendation – greatly appreciated.
We are located in the midlands of SC in very sandy soil. (very rough on blades) Not looking for a fine lawn, just need to keep things knocked down and look civilized 😉 Wide cut is not as important as getting between trees and handling rough, hilly terrain. My wife would appreciate a smooth ride.
thanks
rick
Paul Sikkema
@Rick, A heavy frame, welded deck mower is the best choice. Just about every commercial mower manufacture makes a good mid-mount 48 inch zero-turn with a good v-twin engine, and heavy duty transmissions. Most of these have wide rear tires that don’t get stuck as quickly as a residential zero-turn. The transmissions are heavy enough to last for years mowing hills.
But the problem is your sand. These large mid-mount zero-turns work well on turf but when you get into areas of bare sand they can act just as poorly as the little Toro.
So what does work. 1. A tractor like the X500 or X700 series Deere’s, a small Kubota or other brand of sub-compact tractor with a belly mounted deck.
2. A front deck zero-turn. One of the least expensive is the Grasshopper 623T
Here is a list of other brands that will do a great job for you. Your wife is used to a zero-turn so these will be easy to drive.:
Grasshopper
FrontMount MaxTorque 721DT
http://www.grasshoppermower.com
Gravely
Rapid XZ
http://www.gravely.com
John Deere
1445
http://www.deere.com
Kubota
F Series
http://www.kubota.com
Steiner
430 Max
http://www.steinerturf.com
Ventrac
3223D with LK520 deck
http://www.ventrac.com
Walker Mfg.
Super B Diesel
http://www.walkermowers.com
Pete
Hi Paul. I have asked several questions before. This is the last one! Would you recommend that I look into buying a used zero turn mower? I found a good deal on a one yr old ferris is600z (previously looking into exmark quest). Thanks.
Paul Sikkema
@Pete, Number one, make sure you have a servicing dealer in your area. Ferris mower dealers can be hard to find. Number 2, if a dealer has it, will he give you the remainder of the warranty? Number 3, If it has more than 200 hours on it….-it was used commercially and it might have hidden engine/transmission issues you can’t see.
Some owners don’t like the cut of the Ferris, try it before you buy it.
Finally, the industry is a little curious as to what Briggs is going to do with the Ferris line in the future. It was rumored it was for sale, and now they just moved the assembly line to an older location in New York.
Pete T
Hi Paul
I am still in the market for a more productive mower than my 21″ Honda. I have a quarter acre to cut. Was interested in the Exmark Quest S 42″. Someone pointed me towards getting a Ferris Hydrocut.
Any suggestions or comments?
Thanks–Pete, Western, NY
Paul Sikkema
@Pete, for walking a 1/4 acre take a look at the Toro Lawn Mower. 30 in. TimeMaster Variable Speed Self-propelled Walk-Behind Gas Lawn Mower with Electric Start
. It will cut your time by 1/3. I prefer the Toro Midsize Walk Behinds over all the other commercial walk behind mowers because of the controls. The T-Bar control is very easy to use. The Ferris Hydrocut is a good mower but demo it to see if you like using the controls before you buy.
All of these mowers will last forever on a 1/4 acre lot.
Aaron
Hi, I have spent several hours reading the different questions and responses that have been invaluable but now I must ask for advice for my situation.
I’ve got a couple of solid contracts secured which both have their own personality that needs addressing. The easiest of the 2 is for an investor with 15 apartment complexes & 50+ rental homes. Currently I have 3 of those complexes & 6 houses on a regular rotation but I want to earn them all! They are pretty straight forward, no slopes, just would like to finish quicker while looking great.
My 2nd major regular contract is doing abatement work for a local municipality. Those jobs are NUT BUSTERS! The grass is always 5-7″ with weeds 1-11/2″ thick, sometimes 8′ tall.
To date, I’ve been doing this work all summer with a borrowed 21″ Troy-Built & a new 22″ Husqvarna, self-propelled walk behind mowers, 2 stihl commercial weed trimmers, and a 3rd stihl pro trimmer with a metal blade brush conversion kit. Obviously, I am working hard, not smart, but it’s what I’ve got. On Friday a fellow landscaper saw me and my helper struggling through the last 1/10th of a nighmare yard, he took mercy on us and plowed though it all in 10 minutes for us. What a champ. I knew right then I must step up my game. I asked a relative for and recieved a check for $4,000 to help me in my cause.
In reading all of the questions/comments here today, I have a couple of mowers I’m considering and some questions and would implore your advice for me take my small time gig to the next level. My wife feels that this borrowed $ would be better used on some bills to give us breathing room while I contend that it would be better used on a tool that will also enable making $ for some of those bills. Too much info perhaps, but it really shows how desperately critical it is for me utilize this money as best as possible.
I saw one post/comment similar to the difficult yards I handle while doing the code enforcement was from someone who purchased foreclosed homes. The terrain he mentioned is very similar and I see you recommended the Predator 24″ Brush Cutter and a 42″ Craftsman Fast Riding mower. Together they totaled just under $3,500. I really liked that the Craftsman mentioned snow blade & snow throwing. In Oklahoma, that would come in very handy, and use in the winter months would be a card for me to play should I hear that I shouldn’t have spent that kind of $ on this equipment at the end of the mowing season. do all lawn tractors or ZTR have the ability to handle snow? That same Craftsman also says that it is capable of both light & ‘heavy’ hauling. Everything I’ve read of yours today indicates that the transmissions of most ZTRs, especially the residential models, cannot handle a leaf attachment. Is this also true of the Craftsman lawn tractor, or could it handle a cart, aerator, or leaf device?
In addition to snow, I’d like to know how to attack leaves.
Should I buy from a big box company like Lowes or home depot? Service is very important, and the thought of the Sears guy coming to me to service my equipment is very tempting. The guy who cuts most of my neighbors lawns swears by Toro and Scat. I’ve talked with one local dealer who sells my stihl gear and he offers Gravely models. How would Gravely hold up? One dealer ive seen has a brand called Big Dog. Thoughts? So much info, so many choices.. I run over some serious stuff sometimes that has killed several of my $300 residential push mowers. I need some good advice please. I currently have one helper but if I could eliminate that by getting real equipment actually made for this kind of work, not for the guy who has small yard in his neighborhood.
I like the idea of buying from Lowe’s because I have a Lowe’s card and get 5% off, but home depot is cool because my neighbor works there and wouldn’t be ashamed to ask for his help with a discount, I wouldn’t mind buying from a local dealer who I can trust and will service it. I see that Toro is offering a discount to military and law enforcement personnel. One of the local dealers offers some used or refurb, should I avoid or strongly consider that as an option? What about craigslist? Is it worth waiting a few weeks/months for an end-of-season, too good to be true, must be on drugs, blowout sale?
Thank you!
Paul Sikkema
@Aaron, I really don’t want to get into business advice on this blog. But I’ll get you started in the right direction.
If you are trying to make money mowing lawns and you need your equipment everyday I would ONLY look at local dealers. Your local dealer will give you priority service and advice. The big box stores including Sears cater to the residential owner and may take days or weeks to get the mower, get the parts ordered and then make the repair.
Gravely is becoming very popular with contractors. You can buy a good “starter” zero-turn from your local Gravely dealer and he will give you better service and advise than any of the box stores.
$4000 is enough to put a decent down payment on a good mower. If your credit score is half-way OK, Your local dealer and Sheffield finance should be able to work with you for a loan for the rest.
Al
Paul-
Thanks so much for the information in your article, found it very helpful. I have always had a small yard, but we just bought property with 2.5 acres of cutting grass, being somewhat hilly here in North Georgia. Therefore, I am now in the riding mower market. I like the idea of the zero turn mower to cut down mowing time, but feel after reading your article I need to go with a more traditional yard tractor. Mainly b/c of the hills and I want to be able to pull an aeriator/seeder/cart behind for yard work. I did not know the zero turns were not built for pulling, b/c the store I went and visited told me they could add it on the back of the zero turn. So was a little confused.
The reason I am writing is I did go by my local lawnmower repair shop and they told me to stay with either Craftsman or Troy built. I looked on line at the 54″ Craftsman 6″ radius turn, and it had several bad reviews saying to NOT buy. The Troy-built on line had all good comments, but it was from their own personal website. Can you let me know if I am thinking right that I need to go with a traditional yard tractor, and which brand style would be best? Thanks.
PS- One review told me that the 54″ decks, which I had wanted to do less passes of cutting, was not necessarily better for hilly grass b/c the wider deck cuts into the yard uneven. Any thoughts?
Paul Sikkema
@Al, I went and looked on Sears.com and read the seven 1 and 2 star reviews. Let me give you a perspective on these reviews.
1. I would guess the Sears has sold at least 5000 of these tractors. So twelve 4 and 5 star reviews and seven 1 and 2 star reviews is about what I expect. (No one tells you if they like it and everyone tells you if they don’t)
2. Of the seven bad reviews.
a. One review was for the wrong tractor, “turn and run” purchased a 20393 (54 inch 22 hp lawn tractor) and that one does have a height of cut issue. It only mows about 3 1/4 inches.
b. I do know of 2 tractors that have had a bad ignition module (Sears fixed it free of charge)
c. One tractor was delivered with the deck belt not attached. (the delivery team installs the deck and this crew didn’t get it right. I do know of 5 other case where the delivery team did this in 2014)
d. The manufacture did have an issue with the front deck weld on the 54 inch deck and the 46. It’s now fixed at the factory and any mowers will be repaired of it breaks in the first 2 years.
e. The wheels on the deck are not greased because they are not designed for grease. Many owners who had a Deere, Simplicity or Cub Cadet previously What a lot don’t know that these wheels don’t ride on the ground. They are only there to help the deck ride up over obstructions.
f. The suspension is horrid because it has none (just like very other lawn tractor) What the new owner didn’t do was read the manual and reduce the tire pressure to 12 lbs. (the tractors are shipped with too much air in the tires for shipping) Also, the mower is designed to mow well at 4-5 mph but the tractor goes 8 mph. Yes, you mowing job will look horrible if you mow as fast as the tractor will go.
g. The last review “under-designed front end” I grew up on a farm and it is common sense for me to know you don’t turn a tractor at full speed. You will either break the front end or kill yourself from tipping it over. It’s not an ATV. If you let your kids drive it like an ATV it will break. Again it is designed to mow well at 4-5 mph.
I personally like Sears service better than Troy-Bilts. Sears techs are trained on the equipment and they always come to you. You never have to bring your tractor anywhere. Here is the link to purchase the Craftsman: 24HP 54″ Complete Start™ Turn Tight® Garden Tractor – Non CA
Do you have a Troy-Bilt dealer in your area that sells the TB2654 Garden Tractor? Lowes only carries the smaller TB’s By the way, the Troy-Bilt is basically the same tractor as the Cub Cadet Lawn Mower. GT1054 54 in. 26 HP V-Twin Hydrostatic Drive Front-Engine Garden Tractor
at home Depot.
Finally a 54 inch deck does scalp more than a 42 inch one. If your lawn is rough they will scalp a little but that’s the trade-off for getting the job done faster. I compensate by mowing at 3 1/2 inches.
Daniel
Hey Paul, I really appreciated your advice. It made so much sense to me that I have already begun following it. I stopped by a couple of local equipment dealers. The only two with commercial quality equipment. Surprisingly, the guy I selected to be the one whom I trust for continued support is an employee at the local Ace Hardware. He showed me a commercial grade Exmark 30″ walk behind for $1,800. It’s smaller and looks less industrial grade than most commercial 36″ walk behind mowers. However, I could buy that mower and an Echo motor that receives attachment heads for a string trimmer, pole saw, and edger, as well as a blower for around $3,500! This seems like a smart way to start because I can be successful, at least on a smaller scale, to start my business, and when I’m profitable I can use my new revenue stream to buy a commercial ZTR. It seems like a piece of equipment that I will continue to have a need for no matter how large I’m able to grow my business.
They also showed me last years commercial Husqvarna walk behind that has a 48″ deck. It was offered to me for $3,200. I’ll check back in with you later. But I just wanted to thank you for the advice. It makes perfect sense to buy a commercial grade walk behind now, that will last for a decade or more and always serve a purpose in my business, as opposed to an entry level ZTR that will not last a year. I was surprised that both the Husqvarna, and especially the Exmark brands only carry a 1 year warranty (2 on motor).
Paul Sikkema
@Daniel, Great! I actually thought about recommending the 30 inch ExMark to you. (The Toro commercial is the same mower but the Toro at Home Depot is a lighter duty machine) It takes up little room on a trailer or back of your pickup and does a great job.
I would actually stay away from the Husqvarna walk-behind right now. The price is right but I’m not sure if Husqvarna is going to stay in the walk-behind business. You may have problems getting parts 10 years from now.
For many operators one year of use can be 1500 hours so the warranty really is not short. (That’s 15 years of use for most homeowners) Learn how to do the maintenance and figure out a set schedule to do the maintenance and the mower will last you years. Check the oil every start of the workday, Sharpen the blades every 20 lawns, etc.
Pete
Paul, I inquired about the 42″ exmark quest e or s series for my quarter acre lot. I see someone mentioned the exmark 30 push. Would this be a better alternative than the zero turns? I originally bought the 21″ Honda because the salesman at the shop said the commercial 30 has a single speed tranny and has to go max speed. I later called exmark and they said it can be operated at any speed. Same salesman I would buy quests from since there’s only one exmark dealer in my area. Still not sure what to do. Thanks
Paul Sikkema
@Pete, You can save quite a bit of money as a homeowner by purchasing the Toro residential version of that mower. It’s also about 50 lbs lighter than the ExMark or Toro Commercial version so it is easier to use. The homeowner version does not sacrifice any quality of cut or quality of workmanship over the ExMark. It just doesn’t have the extra frame that the commercial version needs to keep it from getting beat up on the trailer (and the college kids who use it)
The homeowner version has easily adjustable height, a good OHV Briggs 8.75 motor and Toro’s Personal Pace variable speed. It has the BBC so you can stop the mower and leave the motor run to move stuff out of the way. The homeowner version also has the quick stow handle that folds up so it take less room in your storage shed.
For a 1/4 acre it will reduce your mowing time by about 30% and still give you that great cut you get with a walk-behind. You don’t have to worry about tearing up your lawn, and it will handle any hills or ditches that a zero-turn won’t mow.
Toro Lawn Mower. 30 in. TimeMaster Variable Speed Self-Propelled Walk-Behind Gas Lawn Mower
Electric Start Version: Toro Lawn Mower. 30 in. TimeMaster Variable Speed Self-propelled Walk-Behind Gas Lawn Mower with Electric Start
And yes, you can install the commercial blades on the homeowner version if you want.
Vince
Howell,Mi–Hi Paul. I’ve read all your reviews and commentary and am glad I have. I never realized there was so much to learn about ZTR mowers. I have a little more than 3/4 acre to mow. The rear of my yard has a very slight slope and I also want the option to bag when necessary. The ZTR I’m considering is the Cub Cadet RZT-S 42″ 22HP model. My front yard is small and has Fendt wall but otherwise open and my backyard is wide open and expansive. thanks for your help!
Paul Sikkema
@Vince, Here is a price to reference to. This price is through Home Depot and is delivered to your home in a box. It takes about an hours to set it up and mow. Cub Cadet Riding Lawn Mower. in. 22 HP Kohler V-Twin Dual Hydrostatic Zero-Turn with Steering Wheel Control RZT-S 42
Lisa Kirkley
Trinity, TX
Hello, and thank you so much for the article and comments. I find that, even after reading those as well as MANY of the others’ questions and your follow-ups, I am still unsure what would be best for us. We live on 3 acres, minus the house and a decent-sized pond, with chain link fence around back half of property, several trees/bushes, sprinkler heads, slopes, and rather steep ditches (on one side of the property only and steep on only one side of ditches). Some of what you’ve said makes sense, but I’m not mechanically-minded by any means and so other bits just aren’t processing. Would greatly appreciate any feedback you’d be able to provide. Ty!!!
Paul Sikkema
Hi Lisa, You live is a beautiful area of Texas. I’ve been down RT 59 many times.
I am going to assume you can handle a zero-turn or at least are willing to learn so I’ll give you a couple of choices. I see you have a Home Depot fairly close so I’ll select a mower from there.
Chain Link fence, slopes and ditches tell me you need a mower that will withstand quite a bit of beating. A Zero-turn needs to be heavy enough and tough enough to handle those slopes. 2.5 acres or so of grass to mow and your’s can get pretty tough and can wear out parts fairly quickly.
My first choice is a Hustler Raptor HD, Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 54 in. 23 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 933101
. This mwoer will handle anything you can dish out. I like the fact that you can get it from Home Depot but if you need service there is a dealer in Huntsville and Onalaska.
My second choice is the Toro Riding Lawn Mower. TimeCutter Mx5060 50 in. 23 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Zero-Turn with Smart Speed 74641
. It’s also tough enough to handle your property. Again you can buy it through Home Depot but the nearest service is CROCKETT.
Finally, if you really don’t want a zero-turn the John Deere Lawn Mower. D170 54 in. 25 HP V-Twin Hydrostatic Front Engine Riding Mower
will be a fairly good choice. It will work fine for all areas except the ditch.
That’s a start, feel free to ask more questions so you can make the right choice for you.
Lisa
Thanks for the advice! We were leaning towards the Hustler…we actually talked to the shop in Onalaska about it but just weren’t sure if it was the best choice. Now we do. It is gorgeous down here – glad you got to see it. Thanks again!!!
Daniel
Hello Mr. Sikkema. I’m very glad to have found your article. I very much appreciate your willingness to take the time necessary to respond to and interact with those commenting on your site. I could really use your help. I’ll give you some background information as detailed and concisely as possible.
I have a growing desire to start a residential landscaping company. I am a police officer and have done little else for my entire adult life. I don’t have a lot of common sense when it comes to operating or repairing machinery. Nor do I have either training or experience when it comes to providing lawn maintenance related services. Heck, I’ve never even pulled a trailer. However, I don’t think it is necessarily secret guild knowledge. I believe, or at least hope, with dedication I can start and develop a successful operation. I anticipate finding this line of work to be enriching by improving my overall physical health, somewhat fun, greatly rewarding by allowing me to be my own man, so to speak, and somewhat financially beneficial as well. So, I am passionate. I just have a few obstacles with which to contend.
I plan on continuing my work in law enforcement while working this business as a part time job a couple of complete days and an additional evening or two a week. I don’t have much money saved. From which I will need to purchase a truck or suv to tow my equipment trailer. I will also need to purchase the trailer, as well as whatever equipment I will need. Herein lies the problem. I don’t know what I need, I don’t know what is good/bad, and thus I do not know how best to invest my money into beginning this business.
I was looking at some trailer and equipment packages featuring Husqvarna products. I’m reading now that Husqvarna isn’t the best. I hear Stihl is great, and plan on buying Stihl edgers, trimmers and blowers from a local dealer, but they don’t seem to make mowers.
In a nutshell, this is where I’m at: I can’t afford what is commonly termed commercial grade mower equipment, and I’m reading that any “consumer” or “residential” rated mowers will break down easily and be out of warranty rather quickly. I need to know where to look for very good quality that will grow with my business, and save me time so that the couple of days a week I can invest will go further. I need the best value, entry to mid level mower that will be dependable and durable. I recognize that I may not need a zero turn starting out. But a middle tier tractor is between $1,500 and $2k, while an entry level zero turn is around $2,800 to $3k.
Furthermore, because there exist few barriers to entry into this market space, everyone and their brother seems to be doing what I myself hope to accomplish. Will a zero turn mower help me get noticed? Will I appear more professional?
Thanks for all of your help.
Paul Sikkema
@Daniel, You don’t want to be noticed for your equipment. You want to be noticed for the job you do. You want to be the best and that takes time, experience and more time. Be the best and then you will get noticed for your work and your business will grow. Buy pretty equipment without knowing how to use it or a plan to make money with that equipment and you will only be noticed for the shoddy work you do.
Don’t buy a zero-turn to get noticed, everyone has one. Instead do a great job with a 30-48 inch walk-behind and you will be buying that one year old ZTR from the bank who took it back from the guy who looked great, but screwed up every job he did.
Word of mouth will be 100 times more powerful than advertising and new equipment.
The are a 100 guys in your town with a new zero-turn and a shiny pickup truck. Next year 90 of them will be gone and another 100 will take their place. Be known for the work you do, not the toys you own.
The first thing I want you to do is buy Kevin Whiteside’s Grass To Cash Book. Do not buy any equipment before you’ve finished reading it.
Then get with your state university and get all the information you can from them on lawn care, soil types and weeds in your area. Texas, Georgia, Illinois, Iowa and Minnesota state universities have great info depending on where you live. See if your local community college or tech school has horticulture classes. Take them.
Do not use Google to learn about lawn care, horticulture or what is the best equipment. 80% of it is wrong and 15% of the remainder is not for your area of the country.
Yes, I had over 400 properties but I started with one 36 inch Toro walk-behind mower and a 21 inch push mower. I ran that for 3 years before I bought my first rider.
Do NOT buy a lawn tractor or residential zero-turn. This equipment is designed for 250 to 500 hours max. That’s 10 years on your home lawn but only 2 to 6 months mowing lawns for other people.
I suggest going around and get to know the local commercial lawn equipment dealerships. Pick someone (yes I said someone, not a brand) you like and work with them on getting the best equipment for you. They just may have the perfect used mower laying out back. DO NOT borrow money to buy equipment for at least the first 3 years.
By the way, Husqvarna makes some of the best equipment in the world. Their European commercial equipment is second to none. Stihl does have great equipment but not on your budget right now. Tanaka, Shindawa, Red Max, Echo and Husqvarna all make great hand-held commercial equipment. Let that guy you like who owns the commercial dealership help you get the best equipment for your budget.
Will
Paul I have a small yard with no slopes no ditches and want to purchase a ZRT no bigger than 42″ because of gate in my back yard with that being said is there a mower at Home Depot that you suggest
Paul Sikkema
@Will, I put together a comparison chart for 4 zero-turn mowers at Home Depot. The Toro TimeCutter SS4235, Cub Cadet RZT-S, John Deere Z235, Hustler Raptor 42 in.
Click on this link to see it: The Home Depot
Why 4? Each of these mowers has specific strengths and I will go through them to help you decide.
– Each of these mowers can be ordered online. The Toro and John Deere are assembled by an authorized dealer and delivered to your home ready to go. The Cub Cadet and the Hustler are shipped to your home and it will take you about 1 hour to set them up.
– All 4 have full-pressure motors and the motors are have the same reliability. (The John Deere is made by Briggs & Stratton)
– The Cub Cadet has the same deck as the Consumer Reports top-rated Troy-Bilt. The Toro and John Deere are also rated well. The Hustler has not been rated yet.
– The Toro is arguably the most popular 42 inch ZTR this year. The TV advertising has been working well for Toro. The smart speed lets you safely use the mower to pull a yard cart, aerator, sweeper without damaging the transmissions.
– The Husler Raptor is the heaviest built (and the most expensive) The fabricated deck and heavy-duty frame will take a beating.
– The Cub Cadet is the easiest to use.
– The Home Depot Protection Plan is available on all 4 machines. The Hustler has the most comprehensive standard 3 yr warranty
Myself, I would have a hard time deciding between the Toro and the Hustler. I like the heavy duty features of the Hustler, but I also like the way the Toro handles and cuts.
Toro Riding Lawn Mower. TimeCutter SS5000 24-HP Kohler V-Twin Zero-Turn with Smart Speed 74637
Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 42 in. 21.5 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 931741
John Deere Riding Lawn Mower. Z235 42 in. 20 HP V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn BM24622
Cub Cadet Riding Lawn Mower. in. 22 HP Kohler V-Twin Dual Hydrostatic Zero-Turn with Steering Wheel Control RZT-S 42
Warren
This is the best article and detailed info out there – thanks for sharing. I have 5.25 acres and all flat. Two dealers for Exmark and Kubota are in the area. I’m in a bind because my Simplicity Conquest 52′ is going to die. I’ve suffered with the slowness and kidney bruises for 9 years but am frugal so I got my money’s worth. I originally intended to replace with a sub-compact with versatile attachments but we’ve made it this long with out it. I borrowed an a Exmark 60′ (not sure of model) and it was awesome. What should I buy and are you opposed to buying demos or used?
Warren, Cincinnati
Paul Sikkema
@Warren, I am very cautious about suggesting you buy used. Most used ExMarks have been used commercially and are beat to death or back on repo (Just as bad because the owner didn’t have the funds to take care of it.) Demo’s are fine as long as the original warranty is in place.
I’ve owned 60 inch ExMarks myself and you are right, they are awesome. Great cutting, great traction and little features you just can’t find on residential mowers. The engines and drives are good for 1500 minimum and a lot of commercial owners get twice that much.
A 60 inch ExMark on five acres? That’s only and hour out of your day. What are you going to do with the rest of your Saturday 🙂
I really don’t have an opinion on the Kubota. They are expensive and at this time I can’t see any advantage of buying one over the ExMark. My local city bought them for about 250 acres this year so by the end of the summer I will be able to give my opinion then.
RickT
Whiteville, TN House Divided
Paul,
Thank you spelling out the reasons why a zero turn may not be what we need. Our house is divided… I still want to zero turn but the boss lady thinks that for the price it isn’t what we need. The trouble is at this point we don’t know what the best option is for a DO-ALL mower (meaning to cut the whole property)
Property details – 7 acres – lawn and pasture, lot of hills, slopes and obstacles (ponds, trees and FENCE POST) *** wifey’s biggest problem with the ZT is does not get close enough to the post that trimming isn’t required. AND there are A LOT of fence post. In fact, I bought the Bad Boy CZT Elite 60″ and had to take it back for it not starting after shutting it off for breaks and because the wife wasn’t happy for that amount of $ spent for something that was supposed to save time cutting that added the chore of trimming. Other problem areas is mowing over items that shouldn’t be mowed over like small branches and limbs.
Currently in the shed –
Cub Cadet/Yanmar Tractor w/6′ kingkutter bush hog that digs and scalps
Snapper 54″ rider that is in constance repair and maintenance
Scott S1642 (wife’s fav) rarely used because tires are usually flat when needed to use.
Your recommendations are appreciated.
Rick in Tennessee
Dan
Dave, what features to you absolutely recommend for ZTR? I am on a hilly 1.5 acre. Also, if money was not a worry, what brand would you abosolutly buy? Dan, from grand rapids michigan
Paul Sikkema
@Dan, For hills I strongly suggest ZT-3100 transmissions, Parker 12 cc pumps with filters or stronger. My first choice is always ExMark Lazer Series. Get used to and understand the specs on that ZTR then you can then compare other brands to see who well they stack up.
Scag Freedom Z, Walker MC, Hustler Fastrak HD, John Deere ZTrak Z900 are other mowers to look at.
Michael Zalusky
Paul;
Best article I’ve seen so far on zero turn mowers. Got me thinking that maybe they are not right for me. We live in South Florida, we have 1.5 acres, lots of trees and garden areas. I’m probably cutting 1 acre of lawn. But we do have to do alot of yard work year round. I do have to pull a small trailer just to pick up the branches and palm leaves probably less than 200#. Zero turn doesn’t sound that they do that very well. If we are going to spend 3000$ maybe better for a standard tractor. But speed and getting around the trees the zero turn would be great. need either a 42 or 46 inch deck. Your thoughts, recommendations.
Mike
Paul Sikkema
@Michael, Thanks for reading the article. There are a few zero-turns on the market that would do the tasks you need done and last a long time. Both of these models will easily handle you and 2-300 lbs of trailer and yard waste.
My first choice for you is the Craftsman 46 inch, Model 20413
My second choice is Hustler Raptor 42 inch, Model: 931741
David
David from Sycamore IL. I have 4 acres (all lawn) with lots of trees, buildings, and flower beds. Currently takes me 3.5 hours to mow with a John Deere x485 with a 62″ deck. I am looking to get a ZTR to speed things up. Farm & Fleet has a Cub Cadet RZTL50KW for $3000 but I am leery of the stamped deck because of all the obstacles in my yard to hit. There is a Dixie Chopper dealer in town but I don’t know much about them. I was wanting something with a 50-54″ deck which Dixie Chopper has their Zee 1, Zee 2, and Magnum lines for residential. Any recommendations?
Paul Sikkema
@David, I miss Ollie’s Frozen Custard. All we have is Culver’s up here.
I agree, I don’t think you will be happy with the Cub Cadet. If you have your heart set on a Cub Cadet look at the Z-Force. Another machine to consider is the Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 54 in. 23 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 933101
. The Raptor SD is a very rugged machine for the price.
Stay away from the Zee 1. It has the EZT transaxles and on a heavy zero-turn they may not last as long as you expect. The Zee 2 and Magnum both have heavier transaxles. The Dixie Choppers tend to be very high priced. For example you can get the Raptor SD for almost $2000 less. If you do want the Dixie Chopper be sure that the implement dealer has a dedicated repair man for lawn equipment. Make sure that the big farm equipment won’t take priority over your lawn mower if you need a repair.
Bob
Paul:
I am in Hartford, Wi. Seems like a couple of the ztr’s are made in WI. I just planted about an acre and a half of new lawn. I expect to be cutting in a few weeks, so I have some time to choose the right mower. My lot is mainly flat, but has a walk out basement with a relatively steep slope and a slight hill along one lot line of about 500 feet, with no obstacles (trees) at this point. I have looked at 60″ cut ztr’s from Ferris, Scag, Gravely, Hustler and Exmark. I don’t need a commercial grade mower, but I don’t want a lightweight residential mower. I want a good ride, fast and good cut and easy to operate (for my wife if she ever uses it). It also needs to be easy to do basic service myself. It is very difficult to do comparisons of the manufactures, as I don’t know if I am comparing apples to apples, or oranges. Each dealer says their make and model is the number one seller, and of course the best on the market. One will tell me the Kawasaki is the best motor, others will tell me Kohler or Briggs Vanguard.
I am a handy guy, been in construction my entire life, so I am not a stranger to operating skid loaders, etc. There won’t be much of a learning curve to operating the mower for me. The mowers I have been looking at vary in price from $5000-$7000. I would like to get the best bang for the buck (surprise) but want a mower the will hold up and function well.
Where do I start? They all seem pretty good, but very confusing. Motors, hp, hydraulics, suspension, decks…. all hard to compare. This is a sizable purchase, and I am very anal about this kinda stuff. I HATE buyers remorse! I need to get this right.
Thanks for your help.
Paul Sikkema
@Bob, Besides the names you know, you would be surprised how many parts of mowers are made here in Wisconsin. Decks for an orange mower, engines for a stainless steel mower, engine castings for a northeastern made motor.
With an acre and a half all you really need is a 48 inch zero-turn. A decent priced Zero-Turn will mow about 6 mph and you will be able to get your lawn mowed in about 45 minutes.
I suggest you start with the Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 54 in. 23 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 933101
as your baseline comparison. The price/value is really great on this mower At around $3999 it has all the heavy-duty features you want.
It has: Engine, Kawasaki FR Series, HydroGear 2800 transaxles, heavy frame and welded deck. It does come in a 48 inch version (see the dealer locator here: Raptor SD)
Pete T
I see that Lowes sells the hustler raptor which makes me leary. I also saw the Toro MX series is basically the same as exmark quest S series just a little cheaper. Still going back and forth to justify the cost for .25 acre of mowable lawn. Any final thoughts Paul? Thanks
Paul Sikkema
@Pete T, It’s really all about the dealer with the Toro and ExMark. ExMark dealers tend to have a lot of commercial business so getting your homeowner unit in for service may take an extra week or so. Toro tends to focus on residential so you can usually get a better time frame for a repair. Check with the dealer and learn his service priority.
I have no comment about Lowes selling the Raptor except I would stay away from the Lowes extended warranty. The Raptor at Home Depot is fully supported by the local Hustler dealer. I have no problems recommending the Hustler at HD or your local dealer.
Pete T
Hi, very interesting article but I am not convinced I shouldn’t buy a zero turn. I have a .35 acre flat lot that I use a 21″ Honda on. Need something more efficient. Looking at exmark quest S series 42″ or something comparable from gravely. Any suggestions/other comments would be appreciated. Thanks
Paul Sikkema
@Pete, That means you have thought it though and just didn’t go for the marketing hype. For your size lawn The Quest is good. Other choices that match the quality of the Quest are Gravely ZT – Ariens Zoom and the Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 42 in. 21.5 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 931741
Pete T
Thanks for the response. For my needs is it worth paying the extra money for the Quest S series compared to the Quest E series? Slightly better engine, tranny, fabricated deck for 30% more cost.
Paul Sikkema
@Pete, You are correct, The only difference is the engine, trans and fabricated deck. If you had hills or you planned on using your mower 5 or 6 hours a week I would suggest the S series because of the heavier drives. If you plan on being very hard on your equipment I would go with the fabricated deck, Otherwise the E series is plenty mower for you property and will last you a long time.
Bob
Thanks Paul. The ZT42 I’m considering has a Kawasaki motor. The bagger doesn’t have a blower but the dealer says it will bag as well as my 21″ Honda walk behind. I could consider the XL series which has a different transaxle but unless I get a larger deck, the bagger won’t have a blower either. You have me a bit concerned about digging into the grass while turning. Out lawn is pretty smooth and flat with a flat to gentle slope (I’d say about 2.5′ over a 25′ run) with some beds to work around, but otherwise clear sailing. The boulevards have mature elm trees every 15 feet to get around. I’m leaning towards this product as it’s cost $3,000 (without the bagger) is about the same cost as a cub cadet at Home Depot or Lowes and the local dealer is there when I need him for expert advice and repairs.
Paul Sikkema
@Bob, a local dealer is always the best. Don’t be too concerned about learning to drive a ZTR. Just remember to keep the inside wheel moving through the turn and before long you will be a pro.
Bob Rae
Hi Paul, Thanks for your article. Last night I finished cutting my 3/4 acre city lot with a 21″ self propelled Honda mower. It took ne almost 2 hours, including bagging the clipping in the required paper bags from Home depot. It got me thinking about a ZTR Mower.
I did some research on consumer reports and tried to find some reviews. the Cub cadet is not available in my area (Manitoba, Canada). I did find some reviews on the Gravely ZTRs and was thinking about a 42″ Model. I understand that it is very similar to Ariens 42″ unit. Any thoughts on the Gravely 42″ ZTR (around $3,000)?
I usually bag my clippings and would continue to do so.
Thanks,
Bob
Paul Sikkema
@Bob, Consumer Reports mainly reviews products available at retail stores. Gravely is only available through Dealers in the U.S. so they don’t cover the brand. The ZT is a great homeowner mower. Either the Kawasaki FR or Kohler 7000 engine is a good choice.
I am not sure if the ZT uses an powered blower to put the grass in the bags. If it does that will make the bagger for it $800-1000 (but you’ll never complain about the bagging capabilities) You may want to consider a mulch kit instead.
The new XLerator deck cuts extremely well and you will be very happy with the quality of cut.
In general the Gravely’s have larger motors than their sister Ariens model. Otherwise they are the same. Let us know how you like your new mower.
Blaine
Hi Paul, Thank you for the well informed blog! I’m starting to feel like I know a little about zero turns without having owned one yet. I’m currently mowing three lawns (mine and my two elderly neighbors) for a total of around 2-1/2 acres. All flat except for a slight slope at my walk out basement door. Quite a few trees/obstacles to mow around. I’ve only bought and owned used riding mowers with my current mower being a 38″ Simplicity with lever operated hydrostat drive I picked up for $300.00. It takes around 5 hours to mow and trim. My Dad lives just up the road and occasionally I get lucky and he shows up with his 1995 John Deere 445 lawn tractor with 60″ deck and cuts the time in half. I have looked at a few of them that are 14 – 15 years old and they still bring around $4000.00 at 15 years old. They’re great machines with water cooled Kawisaki 22 hp, hydraulic/shaft driven decks and power steering.
My question is more about a zero turn I’m looking at. It’s a used 2012 Ariens Max Zoom 60 with 26hp Kawasaki FR, ZT3100 transaxles and I think a Ogura pto/clutch that appears to be in great shape. The hour meter doesn’t appear to work and was told it hasn’t worked right from the beginning. The numbers are there but they change just about every time you start the mower. There are a few places that I won’t be able to get the 60″ mower deck through (tight spots) and trimming will be required in those spots. Does this mower sound like a wise choice for my situation? I was told it still has a year left on the warranty but haven’t confirmed that. If you were looking at buying this mower for yourself and given that it cost $4999.00 new, could you go out on a limb and tell me what is the MOST you’d pay for this used 2 yr. old mower and what price would you consider it to be a good deal?
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge and experience with us.
Paul Sikkema
@Blaine, I went out and looked at all the normal used mower sites and 60 inch Zooms are hard to find. Why? 1. Not many are sold. 2. They are a homeowner machine so the commercial operators stay away from them. 3. The owners like them a lot so they don’t get on the used market much unless they are trashed.
Look at the tires. A 2 year old machine should not show much wear on the tires. Look at the sides of the deck. Are there scratches under the paint? If there are the mower may have more hours than it looks. (mowers can be made to look like new with power wash and a clear coat of spar varnish)
It should have normal scratches, oil leaks (little piles of oily dirt around the bearings and on the frame by the engine.) If it is too clean and shiny I would wonder why.
Finally test the hydros. Going full out do both the lap bars go the same amount or is one pushed more than 2 inches forward. In other words one side will go faster than the other. Then try an run a slope sideways. Run along a ditch or embankment and the downhill hydro should not fade. Do you keep the lap bar in the same positions or do you have to push it farther and farther to keep the same speed running across the slope? If one hydro fades stay away from the unit.
If it is a good as you say, I would start around 2500-3000 and end up no more than $4000.
Bryce Hodson
This article is a good piece for the everyday Joe that is looking to get in the market of a zero turn mower. I have been looking for a while at options and I have liked the Hustler Raptor HD($3,900) and also the Bad Boy Elite ZT ($4,499)both with the 48 inch deck. I have also looked at the Kubota Z122E Commander($4,500) but I really try to buy local and as American as possible. I have 3/4 of an acre that’s mostly flat with raised grow beds, garden, raspberry patch, and fruit trees. I mow 2 times a week and keep it looking good but I am looking to cut time with my next purchase. I want something that will last me 15 years easy if possible. The Bad Boy and Kubota have the 3100 hydro gears while the Raptor SD has the 2800 hydro and the reason I can’t go larger is it has to fit between the wives grow beds. I know these are overkill but it’s how I end up doing things and they are all great machines.
Paul Sikkema
@Bryce, Of the 3, it’s hard not to go with the Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 54 in. 23 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 933101
if you want a mower to last 15 years. Why?
Hustler has the longest and richest history in the ZTR business. They make some of the heaviest duty mowers on the planet. They have weathered a lot of economic turmoil over the last 20 years and in my mind that makes them a stronger company than Bad Boy. They will still be here in 15 years.
Kubota is also a strong company but I feel the Kommander series is way over-priced. Yes, it looks good and Kubota’s marketing really wants you to feel good about your purchase. But the Hustler is a better value. Now if it had a Kubota diesel in it for $4500……………
Joel
I have been looking for something to cut 4 to 5 acres or lawn and field with slight slops. After looking through all of your comments I do not see and thing about Snapper mowers. There is a local dealer here in Denton TX that sells John Deere, Toro, Snapper, and a couple of other manufacturers.
The Snapper 400Z 25/48 and 550Z 25/61 seem to be well built and have the transmissions and engines you mention in your articles and responses. Any opinion of the Snapper models?
Paul Sikkema
@Joel, The 400Z is a solid mower that doesn’t get a lot of press. It will last on your 5 acres for a long time. The 500Z is a commercial grade mower and is over-kill. It also does not get a lot of attention because Snapper Dealers tend to be homeowner focused and many don’t carry the 400 and 500 series. The 500Z mower is really aimed for the commercial owners.
Ryan
Hi Paul, I have 4 acres of land 2 being grass and two being field. I am looking for a zero turn that will do both. I know you said they are not meant for fields but if I keep the field less then 6″ should it hold up? I’m also debating between the exmark, ferris, skag, and kubota. Which mower would you recommend? Each brand has their “residential/commercial series and then commercial grade. For example the ferris 700 series compared to their 2100 z mower. Would you recommend going with the commercial grade because of my field. Thanks in advance for the advice.
Paul Sikkema
@Ryan, The Exmark, Ferris, Scag, and Kubota are all great mowers and I suggest talking to your local dealers and buy from the dealer you like the best. I would stay away from the ExMark Quest. It is a residential mower and won’t hold up to your field.
Unless you want to….I would not spend more than $5000.
Also look at the
and Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 60 in. 24 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 933119
Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 54 in. 23 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 933101
Eugene Finley
Paul, I read your comments and thank you for your information. I buy foreclosures that sometimes have yards with grass over knee high. Sometimes weeds are over head high. Some yards are flat and some are on hills. Most have trees, some have ditches, etc. What mower type would you recommend? I currently use a 42″ MTD 18 year old lawn tractor. A couple of years ago I used a EXmark demo and did not like the push pull of a zero turn. I also did not like the price.
Paul Sikkema
@Eugene, In reality you need 2 mowers. The first mower is a rough cut and would be used to make the first cut. It’s slow work but it gets the grass down to manageable.. I used a 36 inch Toro commercial walk-behind for that type of work years ago but they are getting hard to find in good shape. A Swisher Lawn Mower. Predator 24 in. 11.5 HP Recoil Start Briggs & Stratton Gear Drive 3-Speed Self-Propelled Brush Cutter Gas Mower
or Ariens Ariens Lawn Mower. 24 in. Pro High Wheel Self-Propelled Gas Brush Cutter Mower – California Compliant
. DR Power also has a great but expensive brush mower. STAY AWAY FROM THE GXI, STANLEY AND BEAST MOWERS.
Second, I would opt for a mower with a great bagger system. Husqvarna has the best for 42 inch mower/bagger and you can get it on the 22HP 42” Turn Tight® Fast Riding Mower – 49 States
From Sears, a Husqvarna YTH22V46 from a dealer or the Ariens Ariens Riding Lawn Mower. A19A42 42 in. 19 HP Briggs & Stratton Automatic Gas Front-Engine 960460061
This bagger is the one you want and will work on all 3 tractors. 6 Bushel 2-Bin Hard Bagger for 42″ Deck Lawn Tractors
Rick Smith, Tallahassee, FL
Paul, thanks again for a great service! I’m down to the Craftsman G5100, G5500 or Husq GT52XLS. Just mowed 2.75 acres again at snail’s pace with Honda H2113 and realized this acreage is very rough with many armadillo holes, old tree/shrub holes etc. Will the Craftsman GT and Husq GT series bodies hold up to a lot of vibration etc? I appreciate your thorough rundown of the improvements in the Craftsman w/B&S Platinum eng. and your comment about the Husq GT48XLS still using the hydrostatic transmission. If I need to do occasional tilling and disc work, does that rule these out? If so, what would you recommed for mowing less than smooth grass, hauling wood, some rock, soil/compost and some ground work on occasion?
Paul Sikkema
@Rick, Actually the G5500, GT48XLSi or Husq GT52XLS are just fine for the tasks you want to do. The G5100 is not.
Now, The Craftsman/Husqvarna chassis flex. This is fine and they are designed to flex. To make you feel good the Craftsman carries a 5 year frame warranty.
If you are used to the Cub Cadet’s though when you first use one on a rough lawn you will wonder if they will hold up because the chassis flex’s and the hood sometimes looks like it is going to pop off the tractor.
Yes, I like Craftsman but in your case I actually feel the GT52XLS is the best choice. The tractors are basically the same but the fabricated deck will take the abuse better than the stamped decks.
Jeff Kofahl
1 Acre – Dallas TX, slope is worst case 2″ per ft. 30 trees give or take with flower bed obstacles. Buying the place and it doesn’t come with an existing mower. Don’t want to overspend just for the sake of getting the best. Just want something that will do the job and hold up. ZTR, Tractor, brands? Any advice based on the above most appreciated.
Paul Sikkema
@Jeff, Two mowers come to mind.
Tractor. The Craftsman 20390 gives you great turning for all your trees and you can pull stuff. Here is my review: Craftsman 42 inch 20390 Yard Tractor Review
Zero Turn. The Craftsman 20411 is a great zero turn for your size yard. Here I my review: Craftsman 42 inch 20411 Zero Trun Review
Rick Smith, Tallahassee, FL
Paul, thanks again! I’m not convinced Husqvarna is the Garden Tractor for my needs after reading many negative comments on the web. I’m now looking at the John Deere X300 or X320, and I’ve decided to rent a tiller etc. to do occasional cultivation/plowing. What’s your take on the new John Deere X300 and X320?
Paul Sikkema
@Rick, I’ve read the reviews and of the 4 negative ones there is one where the mower was not assembled correctly, one where the owner hit a rock and now the deck is bent (why a dealer can’t see this is beyond me) and 2 where the owner expects a fabricated deck to mow as well as a stamped deck.
The John Dealers really want you to believe these are the best and they have a really great sales pitch to convince you. With these models you do get to pay extra for green paint. They have smaller transmissions than the Husqvarna you were considering and stamped decks. They work great on your beautiful suburban lawn. Deere dealers do have a big advantage over most of the other dealers. They take every one out of the shipping crate and make sure it was assembled correctly.
The X300 uses the same K46 transmission that is in the Craftsman G5100 and other Light Garden Tractors. The X320 uses the K58 which is lighter than the Trans in the GT52XLS.
Rick Smith
Hey Paul: Right…and I’ve gone back and re-read your reviews of the Husqvarna GT52XLS and the 48; and the Craftsman 5100 and 5500 series. We have a very fine Husquvarna/X-Mark/Gravely etc. dealer here so I am talking to them about the GT52XLS that you recommended and I am looking at the Craftsman 5100 and 5500. I’ve just seen negative reviews on the JD 300 and 320 as well. Thanks for all of your great advice! I’m making a decision right quickly now. Take good care.
Rick Smith
Rick S., Tallahassee, FL: Paul thanks for the info on the Husky 48 ZT. After readin g your article about the newer Craftsman lawn and garden tractors w/6 in turning radius and the improved B&S Platinum engine, I am reconsidering Craftsman. I had a 2000 Craftsman 42″ in w/Kohler 16 and it performed very well for many years. And I rode it hard sometimes. Thanks again!
Rick Smith
Tallahassee, FL. 2.75 acres, gently sloping, many trees and shrubs but good outside edge. Thanks Paul for your great blog. I’m trying to decide on a heavier duty ZT or tractor. Looking at Husky and Gravely, and Scag, but it’s higher than I want to pay.
Will the Husky RZ4824F pull more than 200 lbs? I’m likely going to need to haul some compost and other material around on occasion?
What is the “articulated” ZT? I don’t see it listed in Husky’s catalog. Any other recommendations for a budget under say $4,500 would be much appreciated.
Rick Smith
Paul Sikkema
@Rick, I was mentioning the Articulating Rider R 220T.
The RZ4824F’s main selling point is the heavy-duty fabricated deck. It also has a highly rated 24 hp Kawasaki FR series engine so it will have plenty of power for your Florida grasses.
The only negative to the unit is it still uses the EZT transmissions so I would limit it to pulling compost and other light materials. If you hauled 500 lb loads the transmissions would not handle that for long. It’s an industry problem that we don’t have many zero-turns under $4000 with the heavier transmissions.
At the top of your budget is the Ariens Riding Lawn Mower. Zoom XL 48 in. 22 HP Kohler 7000 Series V-Twin ZT2800 Transaxles Zero-Turn 915165
. This is the Ariens version of the Gravely ZT series. It has the heavier transmissions that would eliminate any worries I have about what you pull.
John K
Bayfield, CO – Paul, I asked earlier about the Ariens 60″ ZT mower which I know is a fine machine. While at Home Depot today, I spied a Toro SS5000 50″ ZTR mower for a full $2,000 less than the Ariens. It doesn’t have all of the Ariens but I’m curious about your opinion on how much “less” of a mower it may be given the $2,000 lower price tag than the Ariens. I have 6 acres of flat grass so hills are not an issue for me.
Thanks,
John K
Paul Sikkema
@John K, The Toro is a great mower but in my opinion it is a residential mower designed for 2 to 4 acres. The Ariens Max Zoom is a low-end commercial mower and can handle 6 acres for years. The difference is like comparing a 1/2 ton pickup to a 1 ton. You get what you pay for and with 6 acres you need a heavy duty mower if you want it to last more than 2-3 years. The Ariens will last twice as long for a property your size.
John K
Thanks for the reply Paul. That’s exactly what I suspected. The Ariens 60 it is.
Drew Friedman
Paul, thank you very much for your opinion/advice. Either the Hustler or the Big Dog may be perfect for us then as they are really intended to cut only with the side discharge. (I blow the cut grass into a small ditch behind our yards.) The dealer did explain that both brand names were produced by the same maker and that the primary difference was the warranty. Maybe the Raptor would be the better choice at $2800.00. Can’t thank you enough for the advice from one who is not trying to actually sell me a mower!
Drew Friedman
Drew Friedman, Bentonville, Arkansas:
Paul,
A neighbor of mine and I are interested in sharing the cost of a new Lawn Tractor Mower or ZT mower for our approximately 1/2 acres lawns and three vacant residential lots that we own that total about 1.5 acres. Many people I talk to suggest a ZT as the only good option. (We each currently pay a service for the work but the numbers seem to indicate that mowing ourselves would be a better deal in the longer run.)
I have looked numerous tractor and ZT models now and am leaning toward a Big Dog Alpha 42″ ZT with a 7 year warranty for $3000 with zero financing. I understand this ZT mower is made in America by Hustler.
The lots are all grass, relatively flat with slight inclines. Each of our houses has moderate landscaping with large swaths of relatively flat lawn area with a few trees on each property.
Can you address the Big Dog Alpha model specifically or would your recommend another specific model for the type of needs we may have. My neighbor and I aren’t overly picky but we would probably cut the lawn more frequently if we owned our own riding mower.
BTW, I am 54 years old and have been cutting the lawn at my most recent house for 5 years with a 20″ push mower. I think I am finally getting too old for that nonsense.
I read every word in the above blog. Have a great weekend and look forward to hearing your comments.
Paul Sikkema
@Drew The Big Dog Alpha at $3000 with a 7 year warranty from your local dealer is the same, exact mower as the Hustler Raptor at $2799 at Home Depot with a 3 year warranty. The only difference is the color and the length of the warranty.
(CORRECTION: 5/30/14. The Big Dog mower does have a better seat. Seats are critical on ZTR’s. The better the seat, the better the ride, and you feel less “beat up” after using one with a good seat.)
These are great mowers from a great company. Excel has been making zero-turns longer than anyone else. The only thing I would caution you is the fabricated deck cuts very well in side discharge but don’t mulch well unless you install an expensive mulch kit.
Also the Big Dog use EZT transmissions. These are good residential transmissions but do no try to pull heavy loads like a leaf vac. Make sure to read the 7 year warranty before you buy it so you know what is covered.
Robert F
Hi Paul,
Cincinnati, OH here. What a great site with so many articles and reviews! I’m in the market for a zero turn. I mow a relatively flat 3/4 acre yard with a few trees, several flower beds near the house and then a small garden in the back. My dad has an older Cub Cadet zero turn (not sure the model) that I’ve used before and love the way they work. I think I’ve narrowed down my search to 3 mowers which are all made by MTD. Toro SS4235, Craftsman 42″, and the Troy Bilt Mustang 42.
The Toro and Troy Bilt both have the same Kohler 7000 engine and the Craftsman has the Platinum Brigss & Stratton. Any real differences in the reliability of the two engines?
All three have the integrated parking break in the bars which I really like. The Craftsman and TB both appear to have 13 gauge frames vs the Toro with it’s 10 gauge. That makes me think the Toro will hold up longer as far as the frame is concerned. The Toro also has the smart speed feature for “towing.” I believe the only thing I would tow may be a spike aerator and maybe a roller once or twice to deal with my mole tunnels.
The Toro is the most expensive at around $2600. Any additional thoughts or things to look for? There are several Toro dealers in the area for service and the Sears is about 5 miles away. So getting either of those two models serviced shouldn’t be a huge issue.
What are your recommendations between these 3? Thanks in advance for all your help!
Paul Sikkema
@Robert, I believe the Toro is made here in Wisconsin by Toro. The Toro smart speed is just a control that limits your forward speed. You can do the same thing on the Craftsman by only pushing the lap bars halfway.
The Craftsman and Troy-Bilt are very similar but I am not a big fan of the Troy-Bilt service at this time. Unless you have a local dealer that will service it without question I would stay away from it.
The Craftsman is on sale, online this weekend for $2099! Plus you can get an extra 5% off and no interest with a Sears card! The mower is the same as the top rated Troy-Bilt. The price is the best I have seen on any zero-turn. The Sears service is great. Just call 1-800-4MY-HOME if you have an issue and a Sears tech comes right to your home.
If you want a 42 inch zero turn it is almost a no-brainer to buy the craftsman this weekend.Here is a link to the mower: 42″ 22hp V-Twin Briggs and Stratton Zero Turn Riding Mower – Non CA
Sean
Hey Paul
I borrowed my dads husqy articulating mower like yours ,to mow my lawn. It was awesome it’s the perfect size (part of my 5 acre yard is fenced in for dog) it fits with fractions on each side through the gate! It was a breeze flying around the 10 lilac bushes, 15+ pines, 3 apple, 1 plum and cherry trees, and the variety of oaks not to mention the structures well and mound system.
I started debating wether to use the old 165 hydro john Deere that came with the house or get one like my dads.
I guess my question is, did I just get lucky mowing my steep ditches, or were you excluding the Husqvarna from the small zero turn with the poor slope performance category?
In other words, if I didn’t just get lucky I am beyond sold on the 970.
-your thoughts are appreciated
Thanks,
Sean.
Paul Sikkema
@Sean, My 970 is very good going through ditches and up hills. The new one like the R220T and the 4 wheel drive R322T are just as good. If you go looking at new DO NOT look at the R120S. It’s not the same machine and most owners don’t like it.
I’ve noticed quite a few for sale and good ones are around $800 to $1400.
rusty g
Hi Paul – First off, thanks for the great article and time spent answering questions. I hope that somewhere, somehow, you’re getting your due compensation for this! Truly outstanding material.
Quick question: After reading thru your answers to many questions (this subject is truly a maze), I stumbled upon one in particular that caught my eye. You commented on one reader’s list to of zero turns that he was considering that included a Kubota model. Your response was something to the effect of Kubota’s being “built like a bulldozer” and “if maintained well it will be the last one you ever buy”. Hight praise to say the least.
So my question: I don’t see a lot of buzz about Kubota, but clearly your opinion on this manufacturer (at least in this response) was VERY high.
Is there any reason that this is the case?
Cost too much for the performance?
Dealer/service support lacking?
Something else?
(I’m about to have to start maintaining 2 acres for my home, and am in the market for a new mowing ride).
rusty
Paul Sikkema
@Rusty, The Kubota is very expensive, is primarily aimed at Rural Lifestyle landowners and just doesn’t have the commercial market share that brands like ExMark, Skag and Walker have. It’s way too expensive to win municipality contracts away from John Deere.
The commercial cutters don’t use it because 10-15 years ago the power units were great, but the decks were junk. Models like the FZ2100 were just too complicated to repair. They never captured the commercial market.
Kubota dealers are mainly ag dealers and the suburban housewife or commercial landscaper wouldn’t step foot in one of those places even if it was the last place on earth besides Walmart to buy a mower. The dealer support is the best but you may have to travel more than 50 miles to get to your nearest dealer.
Kubota is getting their butt handed to them in the compact tractor and compact loader market right now so they are scrambling to recapture that market. Their market share is so small with the zero-turns that it may not be reasonable for them to put a lot of money (buzz) into their promotion.
Barneyrubble
Thanks for the quick reply. I should have mentioned the Hustlers sport are also brand new. Hustler discontinued the sport and this dealer picked up remaining stock. The sport 48 they have for $2500 sounds like a heck of a deal but the single cylinder b&s probably speaks for why the price is lower. It think I will focus in on the better quality hydros and motor and worry less about the color. Thanks again for the feedback
Joe
From everything I’ve read, it seems my best bet is a lawn tractor (rough, pretty sloped yard) plus I intend to haul stuff from time to time. Got lawn tractor recommendations for what is about a 4 acre yard in the country with lots of trees?
Paul Sikkema
@Joe, Yup, Start with this review. Big, Bad, Tractor Review
Barneyrubble
Pittsburgh PA. I am looking for a high end residential ZT and have come across a couple of models that are new old stock. The first one is a 2010 Land Pride razor z52 which has a 20 HP honda, zt2800, 11 gauge deck but small 18 wheels. The guy is a dealer retiring and willing to sell them for $2800. I saw your comments that you weren’t fond of Land Pride but the next option is a 2011 Hustler Sport 48 with a 21.5 hp b&s single cylinder motor, EzT hydros, 11 gauge deck for $2500. He also has the same one with a 21 kawasaki for $3000. Do you like any of these or have something else you would steer me to. Either one is more than I need but I figure I could pay $1500 for almost any rider and get something extremely cheap or pay a little more and get very good quality. Thanks in advance
Paul Sikkema
@Barney, I don’t know-I would stay away from a used ZTR with EZT hydros in your area. Who knows how many hills those mowers have had to go up and down.
Just remember, you can buy a NEW Hustler Raptor 52 inch with a 23 HP kawasaki for $2999. Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 52 in. 23 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 933077
The price for the Land Pride sounds reasonable. My issue with the Land Pride is not the machine, but finding a dealer in your area to get parts and service. Since your’s is retiring make sure you can still get parts within a reasonable driving distance.
Justin
Paul,
Great article full of good information. I was wondering if you have any experience with the Dixon Mowers. I am currently looking at a Dixon 4423 with a blower/bagger for $1200 or a Ariens EZR 1540 for $900. I have about 3 acres, mostly flat with a couple of secions of 10* grade. Really I am looking for the most reliable ZTR mower for around $1000 that I can find. Your comments are appreciated.
Paul Sikkema
@Justin, Please stay away from the Dixon 4423. It uses the old cone drive transmission. It is a wonderful machine to use but the transmission will need constant adjustment because of your slopes. You will wear out the cones (the main part of the transmission) every 2 or 3 years on your slope and to repair the trans is over $600. To replace the trans is over $1000 with labor. No, you can’t replace it yourself, it takes special tools). It’s also getting hard to find a mechanic who is trained to replace the cones and align them properly. I have owned many of the Dixon “sludge-a-matics” and I loved them but their time has come and gone.
Make sure the transmissions are good on the Ariens. With the lap bars pushed fully forward it should go straight. Also try it on a slope like yours and the transmissions should hold it even on the slope. If you have to keep pushing the lap bar farther and farther to maintain the slope stay away from that one also. A new trans for that mower are $600 – 800 each
AJ
I have 3/4 acre with some fairly sloped hills on either side of my house. What’s the best alternative instead of using my 21 inch push mower which takes forever to cut? I’m in West Chester, PA
Paul Sikkema
@AJ, I suggest you borrow a neighbor’s/relatives lawn tractor and see if you feel comfortable mowing that area of your lawn. If you feel that you can use a rider to mow that slope then come on back and I’ll help you find the right rider/tractor/zero-turn to do the job well.
John K
I am purchasing a house with an irrigated flat 5 acre yard, all grass. The current owner uses a ZTR mower and after evaluating various models, I’ve chosen the Ariens Mx Zoom 60 ZTR Mower, model 991087. I chose it because it appeared to be better built than most of it’s competitors and has a 10 gauge welded deck. The mower weight is 850 lbs which in itself told me that it was built like a tank.
Anyway, I was glad to see that you approve of this machine as one of the heavier duty mowers available. I had originally wanted to use a compact tractor like a Kubota BX series, diesel powered. Once I began to look deeper however, it became obvious that a tractor with a 54″ belly mower deck was going take much longer to cut my yard and require more trimming to boot.
I’ll still need to tractor with a front loader to push snow and assist with garden & landscaping chores, but for lawn mowing, 5 flat acres of grass really does need a dedicated mower in my book so the Ariens it is.
Great information on this page.
Thanks from Bayfield, CO in the 4 corners region.
Paul Sikkema
You are very welcome. The Ariens is a well built machine and you will get your 5 acres mowed in about 50 minutes.
Home Depot has it for $4999. They have a local dealer set it up and deliver it – ready to go. Ariens Riding Lawn Mower. Max Zoom 60 in. 25 HP Kohler 7000 Series Pro V-Twin ZT3100 Transaxles Zero-Turn 991087
Here are a few options you may be interested in:
Ariens Max Zoom 60 in. Operator Controlled Chute Baffle 79210500
Ariens Max Zoom 60 in. Discharge Cover Kit
Ariens 60 in. Max Zoom Bagger Mount Kit
Ariens 60 in. Grass Mulching Kit for Max Zoom Zero-Turn Mowers
Ariens Max Zoom 63 in. Mower Deck Belt for 60 in. Max Zoom Zero-Turn Mower
Ariens Max Zoom Seat Suspension Kit
Jeremy
Paul,
North Vernon, Indiana, What are your thoughts on eXmark Quest S Series? Also looking at Pioneer S-Series and SCAG Freedom Z. Only have 100 x 200 lot. I am looking for a 15-20 year quality mower that I wont have to replace when we move in the next couple years. Looking to get out in the country with a couple acres. Thinking maybe a 42-48″ deck, capable of mowing slight inclines. Overall quality is my primary concern.
Paul Sikkema
@Jeremy, The Quest is nothing special. The main reason is the stamped deck. Exmark is known for durability, but this is just a homeowner mower that is over priced.
The Pioneer and the Skag Freedom are a different story.The Pioneer is only one step down from the industry standard commercial mower, the Lazer Z and it shares many of the same features of the Lazer.
Skag’s in my opinion tend to be “over-engineered” meaning they have more parts than the other brands and can be a pain to repair yourself. But I know many commercial cutters who would own nothing else. I owned a couple of Turf Runners and they were nightmare to repair.
In all cases I would go with a 48 inch deck. Resale value will be much better and the Pioneer and Skag 48 inch decks both cut very well.
Peter C
Hi Paul,
I appreciate your precious suggestion which clarified some points of the residential zero turn. I was really confused 2 days ago, but not anymore with your great advise. I made the purchase at Sears store today and their manager match the online extra 5% off. The reason I did not buy Sears online is because their 5 years warranty has technical problem. During the checkout proceeding, the protection plan price jumped up from $467 to $719. I tried many times and it’s still like it, so I went to local sears store to do the purchase. Below are what I have learned and I want to share with you:
1. 2014 Consumer Report rates the Craftsman 42 at medium score but still rates it’s a best buy zero turn mower.(3 best buy among all 23 residential zero turn)
2. 2014 Consumer Report test of the Craftsman 42 is base on its old model 25001. The new 2014 Craftsman 42 Z6000 has the same frame and spec(Only engine and seat is different) with Cub Cadet RZT L42 and Troybilt mustang XP. Those two have the best rating in 2014 CR.
3.Based on Craftsman 42 ZTR, Sears drop down the 5 years protection plan from $719 to $467 two weeks ago.
4.If people like me don’t have a pickup truck to bring their riding mower in for service, Sears does have the best warranty plan do to it free at home service.
Again, Thank you for help with me to make my best purchased this year. Like Ang C. mentioned : You are a rare man in this day and age who is honest, professional and very wise to give us recommendation.
Paul Sikkema
Thanks Peter!
Paul Sikkema
@Ang C, The
Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 60 in. 24 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 933119
is quite adequate for your property. The ZT2800 drives and 630 lb weight will handle the rough terrain and slopes without an issue. If you buy the zero-turn using the link above it comes to you in a crate and it will take you about an hour to assemble it with common mechanics tools.The Ariens Riding Lawn Mower. Max Zoom 60 in. 25 HP Kohler 7000 Series Pro V-Twin ZT3100 Transaxles Zero-Turn 991087
is a heavier duty machine and worth the extra $500 if you want it. It uses heavier transmissions and overall uses heavier steel. It weighs about 200 lbs more than the Hustler and will give you better traction and will probably ride a little smoother.
In addition the Ariens offers white glove delivery service, Zero-Turn mower will be shipped to your local Ariens authorized servicing dealer for set-up and inspection prior to home delivery, inspection includes operator’s manual confirmation, set tire pressure, check fluid levels, test start unit and file warranty registration information. Disclaimer in qualifying area only – If an Ariens authorized dealer is not in your shipping area, Zero-Turn will ship unassembled, directly to you via regular truck delivery, To confirm White Glove Delivery availability prior to purchasing, call 888-927-4367 option #2.
So in summary, either mower is fine for your property. The Ariens is a heavier-duty machine and worth the extra money if you choose to spend it.
Peter C
Hi Paul, Thank you for your wise suggestion. Today I looked at your comment and went to sears right away! They do have this model for display. I sit on it and feel it. I found the lapbars are not even when push both to the end. It’s like 2 inches different. Salesman has no idea for the uneven, is that noraml? The high chair seat bend my back to foward a lot. Salesman checked the seat adjustment and said the seat could not adjust further backward, it’s already to the end. Is that normal? The plastic side cover hood looks not high quality.They tried to persuade me to buy 5 years extend warranty for $469. It sounds a good buy. Cuase I don’t need to worry when the mower gonna break down in next 5 years. I don’t have pickup truck to deliver it. But is it worth to spend extra $469 to buy? I just mow once a week and less than an hour with it. I am so supprised Cub Cadet RZT L42 has exactly the same frame and mold like Craftsman 42. Only seat and Engine is different. I think I will listen to you to buy Craftsman42 very soon. But could you recommend me those problems I found are normal? Is 5 years warranty worth it? No reverse cut is OK? Thank you so much for your precious opinion. I live in Citrus park, Florida.
Paul Sikkema
@Peter, The Protection Plan is up to you. It does give you peace the of mind that any problem you may have with the mower in the next 5 years will be fixed. It covers much more than an extended warranty and even includes a free replacement if they can’t fix your mower. I’ve seen many carb/starting repairs bills costing that much. You even get a discount on the non-covered parts like oil, blades and filters.
The lap bar is adjustable and they did not have their display adjusted correctly. The unit you get should track even with both bars. If it doesn’t there are adjustments on the handles to make them even.
The seat is designed for a 150 lb person and if you are smaller the springs under the seat may be too stiff. I have one zero-turn I own where I cut the springs in half and now it sits great for me. Also I don’t always trust the display models. They get a lot of abuse and are usually not set up like the one you actually get.
If you use this link you get free delivery and an extra 5% off. Plus you can get another 5% and no interest for 12 months with a Sears card. 42″ 22hp V-Twin Briggs and Stratton Zero Turn Riding Mower – Non CA
I think the discount even applies to the protection plan.
Yes, there are only 4 manufactures of residential lawn tractors and zero-turns. They just paint them different colors and spec them a little differently for the different stores where you can buy them. (It very similar to the way Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth used to be)
Peter C
Hi Paul, Thank you so much for the great and professional article. Recently I plan to buy a 42inch residential Zero Turn. My front yard is flat for around 0.35 acre, but my backyard is 10-15 degree slide slope for around 4000 square feet. I read lots of reviews again and again. I am trying to choose Toro timecutter ss4235, Troybilt mustang xp 42, or John Deere Z235. John Deere Z235 seems have a thin frame and easy to peel the turf when zero turn. Toro seems not have good downhill drive and all Toro reviews are too good to be ture. Troybilt seems have a strong construction frame, there is a stunt show going 45 degree uphill with this Troybilt mustang xp on Youtube. but Torybilt has the worst reliability reputation on the market. I am so confused to make the final decison. What would you recommend me overall? Thank you so much.
Paul Sikkema
@Peter, I would like you to look at 3 more mowers. As you probably know there are very few manufactures. They basically take the same product, change the engine, paint it a different color and then put a different name on it.
The Troy-Bilt is a case in point. It’s an excellent mowing and handling zero-turn for the price. But the service and repair network is one of the worst. I have heard too many horror stories where the new owner couldn’t get service within 50 miles, where the box store that sold it hauled it 175 miles to get it repaired, or the local servicing dealer will work on it–after he has all his own customers taken care of.
So are you interested in this mower painted a different color?
First.
42" 22hp V-Twin Briggs and Stratton Zero Turn Riding Mower - Non CA
Great, national service network at your home.Second.
Cub Cadet Riding Lawn Mower. in. 22 HP V-Twin Dual Hydrostatic Zero-Turn RZT-L 42
. More delaers and repair centers than the Troy-BiltThird.
Cub Cadet Riding Lawn Mower. in. 22 HP Kohler V-Twin Dual Hydrostatic Zero-Turn with Steering Wheel Control RZT-S 42
. Same great cut but better handling than the lap bar zero-turns.Peter, I’m out of time for this morning. I’l answer any additional questions you have this evening.
Felice
Felice Adrian, MO
Hi Paul, I really appreciate your article. I have been borrowing my mother in laws Ferris with a 52in deck. We are currently looking at the Husqvarna RZ5426 26-HP V-Twin Dual Hydrostatic 54-in Zero-Turn Lawn Mower with Kohler Engine. I will mow 7 acres with it. The back is a little rough but nothing serious and everything is pretty much flat. I like the price point and deck size of the Husqvarna. Is this a pretty solid choice for performance and longevity? Thanks in advance for your help!
Paul Sikkema
@Felice, Mowing 7 acres is a little more than I recommend for the $3000 machines. All the machines in this price range including the RZ5426 use EZT transmissions. I recommend those trannys for 3-5 acres.
I suggest moving up to the next level of Zero-turn and I’ll give you a few suggestions. For long life you will want a zero-turn with ZT2800, ZT3100 or stronger transmissions.
Hustler Raptor HD. Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 54 in. 23 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 933101
Husqvarna MZ 52, MZ 61 or MZ5424. Husqvarna Zero-turns
Craftsman Pro 54: PRO Series 54″ 26 hp V-Twin Pro Z7400 Series Zero-Turn Riding Mower Non CA
Ariens (also Gravely). Ariens Riding Lawn Mower. Zoom XL 54 in. 24 HP Kohler 7000 Series V-Twin ZT2800 Transaxles Zero-Turn 91517300
If you find another brand that you like feel free to ask me about it.
Vic Kozak
Paul. Thanks for the quick response. I thought I had found my tractor when you indicated there was a heavier duty husqvarna than the YT48XLS. When I checked out the GT48XLS it was almost exactly what I was looking for….as you said…larger wheels, heavier frame, better seat with arm-rests and maybe a slightly better tranny too but it looks like that’s all for naught. When you check their web site it is not listed. I did find it on mowers direct and it is listed as “DIS-CONTINUED”.
https://www.mowersdirect.com/Husqvarna-960-43-01-58-Lawn-Mower/p9899.html
What a shame, I would have spent an extra grand for the GT over the YT. I cannot purchase the 52″ as it will be too wide for my shed.
You just can’t win….so it looks like the YT48XLS it is. So you are saying the small tuff torq K46 will not handle much pulling ?? It must be able to handle some pulling ability. My transmission on my small ACCO Allis pulled the roller with no issues until I cracked the frame. 🙂
Paul Sikkema
@Vic, Sorry for the confusion. On that page it states the tractor has been replaced by the GT48XLSi. It the same tractor but now has the new keyless start. Give Mowers Direct a call to see if they have the new one in stock. 1 (800) 837-8247
Frank M.
Newtown, PA. First and foremost, thank you so much Paul for the extremely detailed article. I can’t tell you how much research I’ve done over the past two weeks and your article is by far the most beneficial I’ve found. The number of responses you have posted to peoples comments/questions is unreal and extremely commendable. I have a 3 acre lot that is somewhat flat,but mostly sloped with two or so minor hills, but nothing major. The two most important things to me when trying to buy a ZT are how long it is going to take me to cut my lawn and how good is it going to look once I’m done . . . Price is also important too, my max budget is around $3,600. I was originally leaning towards the Toro Timecutter MX5060, Model #74641 because of all the great reviews it received on Home Depots website (60 total reviews; 50 five star reviews and ten four star reviews). Then I found out my company gets deals with Husqvarna and I can get a Husqvarna M-ZT 52 with a Kohler 25HP engine and fabricated deck for $3,345. And after reading through your most recent comments and reviews you really seem to be loving the Craftsman 20414 and 20415 (Apparently this is built by Husqvarna and essentially the same thing as the RZ5424). When I asked the Husqvarna rep why he recommended the M-ZT 52 as opposed to the RZ5424 he said becasue of the fabricated deck the M-ZT 52 had. Do you like one of these three more than another or do you have a different suggestion all together for me? Any insight/advice you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again and take care Paul.
Paul Sikkema
@Frank, I like the Craftsman for two reasons. The quality of the mower and the best service anywhere in the U.S.
Is it an M-ZT 52 or a MZ-52? The easy way to tell is the M-ZT 52 has a roll bar. If it is a MZ-52 it directly compares to the Craftsman 20415, PRO Series 54″ 26 hp V-Twin Pro Z7400 Series Zero-Turn Riding Mower Non CA
. The only difference is the Craftsman has the stamped deck. The MZ-52 is a great mower and I recommend it to two-guys-and-a-pickup lawn service types who want a good mower that won’t break their budget. You’ll be able to mow your lawn in less than and hour.
If it is a M-ZT 52 that is Husqvarna’s entry level commercial series and that’s a really great deal! It is 2 steps above the RZ2454 Craftsman 20414 and a step above the 20415. If your lawn is fairly smooth it will mow at 10 mph and handle all your slopes with ease! Your looking at less than 45 minute to mow your lawn!
The Husqvarna 52 inch fabricated deck cuts well. The only real disadvantage is if you want to bag the deck requires and aux blower and that increases the cost of a bagger to about $1000.
Paul Roncallo
Thank you for the info on your site. I purchased a Kubota ZD321 54 ” deck . I have gotten it stuck on three separate occasions . I was wondering if the 1600 lbs is simply too heavy to use on any property if it has rained within 24 hrs and if there is anything that can be done to increase the traction.
Paul Sikkema
@Paul, This time of year there are many spots that can’t be mowed. Be especially careful around ponds, holding basins, streams and lowlands. After it rains there will be slopes and ditches that are to slippery to mow. It will dry out eventually and then you can mow your whole yard.
When I had the lawn service in Illinois there were many lawns where I couldn’t mow the whole thing until late June. I carried 250 feet of rope in the trucks so if we got a mower stuck we could pull it out from the road (so we didn’t get the truck stuck too!)
The Kubota is heavy, but it also has the tires and flotation to handle all that weight.
Vic Kozak
Paul, Vic agin in Canada. Came across your review of the G5100 Craftsman. Quite the review. Made by Husqvarna….hmmmm…probably very similar to the YT48XLS except B&S Platinum Engine. Do you think the Husqvarna variant is a better tractor with the Kawasaki engine ?
I check on-line here at Sears.ca and all they have (or at least the model no) listed is the Craftsman Professional /MC. 24 HP with the tuff torq tranny but only 20″ rear wheels. Seems like the Canadian version is different from the American.
Paul Sikkema
@Vic, Yes, Sears.ca orders their own mowers. So does the Sears Hometown & Outlet stores here in the U.S.
It’s actually closer to the LGT2654 (better steering, arm rests, etc.)
I do like the YT48XLS but if you want the large wheels and garden tractor frame look at the GT48XLS.
Vic Kozak
Paul, Vic here from S-W Ontario. First of all, just want to thank you for taking the time to respond with such incredible experience & insight. Makes selecting a new machine so much easier.
I currently use a 1614 ACCO Allis which has been fairly reliable. It is 14 years old with about 600 hours on it. Did snow blowing for 4 of those years, some lawn rolling with a very heavy roller and mowing about 1.5 acres. I do have 2 ditches at the front with about a 30 degree slope and a large berm at the back with maybe a 20 degree slope. I currently am having issues with the deck starting back up after running hot. PTO will no longer engage. Runs fine when cold.
So I do not want to put any more money into the tractor and have been considering the Husqvarna YT48XLS. This little beast has the differential lock which should make doing slopes much easier. I have heard that the transmission is under-powered. Can you confirm that it is a K46 Tuff Torq? Do you feel the Husqvarna line are dependable ? I have also heard from other reviews that the steering is stiff. Others have also complained about the cut quality.
Any advise would be very much appreciated.
Thanks Again,
Vic
Paul Sikkema
@Vic, The K46 comes in about 50 different variations and can be spec’d by the manufacture of the tractor. The K46 with differential lock has a better repair history the the standard K46.
I would find a different way pull the lawn roller.
Scott
Paul this is Scott from Northern Illinois again. I have the 6.6 acres of ground and ended up buying a Ferris 2100Z instead fo the 700z because they gave a real good rebate on the 2100z. I have used the mower 3 or 4 times and love it. I am going to get the suspension seat added because my terrain is so rough. The grass had not been moved in 4 years in some areas. I burned off what I could this spring but I have a big thatch problem with other large areas. I have seen thatchers that attach to the front of the zero turn mowers and ones that are pull behind types. Do these thatchers work very well? Which style works better front or back? Do you have a model that you feel works the best for zero turns mowers?
Thanks again for all your information. Your input has been very helpful
Jeff
Glenelg, MD Excellent. Thanks, Paul!
Jeff
Glenelg, MD Sounds good. Are you alright with the Gravely brand, in general, for ZTR’s, though? Thanks!
Paul Sikkema
@Jeff, Gravely sales have increased over 50% in the last 3 years and it’s because they have great zero turns and a great dealer network.
Ben Fowler
Hi Paul,
This is Ben from western NY. Great stuff in your blog!
Here is my deal, I currently run a service business where we visit customers homes to perform our service. Our business slows down drastically from April through June and I was considering adding lawn service to our service offerings to help smooth out seasonal fluctuations. Our current client list could help us get a jump start on our new business endeavor. I was considering hiring two people to run this segment of our business. It sounds like you ran a successful business and have a tremendous amount of experience, can you tell me; do you think it is realistic to anticipate that a 2 person crew with the right equipment and enough work could bill out $110.00 per hour or $55.00 per hr. each? I anticipate that there will be sizeable investment to be made in the equipment and I think $55.00 per man/woman hour would be the minimum that we would need to make the plan work. If I go forward, I would like to buy the correct equipment for the job, right from the get go…
Here are some of the equipment questions that perhaps you could help me with:
1) What mower is best for moderately steep inclines (I want to avoid the need for employees to act as a counter weight by hanging off the side of the machine)
2) What mower is best for backyards with small access gates (36″ wide etc.)
3) What mower is best for large flat yards (hopefully many large flat yards)
4) What weed trimmers do you recommend
5) What blowers do you recommend
Also, operator comfort and safety is a major concern.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Ben
Paul Sikkema
@Ben, I really don’t want to get into commercial business on this blog, but a quick summary of what I like may help some of the homeowners.
1) What mower is best for moderately steep inclines. A stand on. Wright Stander, Gravely and ExMark. I prefer a 60 inch stand on because it gives you the widest stance and you can use them for the large area also.
As an aside, the best mower should be with your clients in mind. If you go for high end there is nothing like a Walker mower.
2) What mower is best for backyards with small access gates. The ExMark or Toro COMMERCIAL 30 are the hot items right now.
3) What mower is best for large flat yards A 60 inch mower like the ExMark Lazer Z
4) What weed trimmers do you recommend. Buy from a dealer you trust and spend over $300 for each one.
5) What blowers do you recommend. If possible buy the same brand as the trimmer.
Jeff
Glenelg, MD Great article! Wanted to get your thoughts on the Gravely ZT 50. I have about 1 acre to cut at my home and it is relatively flat and open. I was impressed with the price (approx. $3300 total). Although I know you sometimes get what you pay for. I have many saying to get the Exmark; however, I would much rather pay less for a good zero-turn, if possible. Just wanted to get your thoughts on this zero-turn. One more question to tie into my 1st…is it worth the extra $800 to upgrade to the Gravely XL model? Thanks!
Paul Sikkema
@Jeff, I really don’t know enough about the Gravely line to give you the best option for your yard. I need to get up to speed on the current Gravely’s
Bud
Clinton, IL.. Recently had my John Deere 1025R in the shop for warranted deck lift issues (engineering design screw up). My dealer gave me an Exmark zero turn with a 60″ deck as a loaner while the work was being done. I have 5 acres of grass with both flat, slopes and a pond. I had no experience with a zero turn and the kid who dropped off the Exmark did just that…dropped it off. To make a long story short, I nearly put the Exmark in my pond while mowing on the slope, and then pulled a very uncomfortable wheelie while mowing up a 20%+ slope. Having said all that, mowing quality and efficiency on the 2 acres of flat lawn was incredible and the ride was absolute perfection. If there is anyway to make it happen, I’m going to adapt the Exmark seat and suspension onto my 1025R. It rides like an empty hay rack and kills my back, but it handles slopes with ease and has available 4WD and a loader. I actually don’t care if my tractor is John Deere green and the seat is Exmark grey as long as it rides well !!!
Paul Sikkema
@Bud, Yes the Exmark is one fabulous mower! The suspension seat should be standard on all zero-turns. And as you have found out zero-turns DO NOT like any slope over 15 degrees.
Safety, You should never mow within 15 feet of a pond. It is very easy for the water to soak into the ground and make the slope soft or animals make burros that you can drop into or erosion create ruts that will tip your tractor over. Too many people have been killed because they mowed too close to the pond.
David
I purchased the toro mx5060, better than 300.00 less seems like a good mower., Thank you very much for your help just need to get use to this mower Hope this last me many years!!
. Thanks again !!
Darian
Lawrenceburg, TN. Darian. I am writing a sincere thank you. I posted on April, 21, 2014 seeking advice. I was really impressed with the Ariens reviews from the link you posted. I purchased a Gravely ZT HD 60 inch (made by Ariens with Kawasaki motor). I used for the first time today and was blown away. It was with your help that I was able to find the right mower for my needs and I greatly appreciate it.
Paul Sikkema
@Darian, You’re very welcome.
Terra Turner
I have about 4 acres to mow in Georgia. Not the smoothest and on a hill. I’ve been looking at 2 exmarks and a grasshopper. The exmark pioneer e and s series 48 in mowers and the grasshopper 226v 52 in mower. I would prefer to get out as cheap as I can with the pioneer e series, but I don’t want to spend that much money on a mower and it not be able to handle my terrain. Is it worth the extra money (about $1100 for the s series and $2000 for the grasshopper) or do you think the e series will suffice? Thanks for your time.
Terra Turner
Rockmart, Georgia
Paul Sikkema
@Terra, What you call a “hill” in Georgia is usually a small mountain is most other parts of the country:) All the manufactures including Grasshopper and ExMark do not recommend using a zero-turn on slopes greater than 15 degrees. Anything over that they suggest a walk behind or 4 wheel drive machine.
I suggest talking to both dealers and see which one gives you the “Straight talk”
To answer your question though. The Pioneer E does have heavy enough transmissions to handle hills.
David
Paul heres the deal raptor sd not in stock at my local dealer does not know when he will get any and price of 48 is $4000 and 54 is $4100 the toro mx5060 $3800 toro ss5000 $ 2900 hustler raptor $3100 in stock like concept of cub rzts but local dealer and repair history for cub not so fond of.What is the best bang for my buck and is anything wrong with the toro or exmark? Differences in mowers? Thanks for your help!!
Paul Sikkema
@David, There is nothing wrong with the Toro or Exmark. Like you I’m not in favor of the Cub Cadets compared to the others you mention. Of the mowers you mentioned I would narrow it down to the mx5060 or the raptor 54.
David
Hello Paul, I have about 2 to 2.5 acres of ky rolling land with plenty of moles and a few hills at the highway so a little rough, sometimes i mow a few extra acres a month.. I have been looking at the cub cadet rzt s , toro m5060 and ss5000 also hustler raptors seem to me the raptor 52 is a little light in wieght 522 lbs and tires a little small. Would like to stay in the 3-4000 Dollar range if possible. Any ideas on these or maybe just go with a tractor. Thanks for your help!!
Paul Sikkema
@David, All the machines you are looking at are about the same weight. If you have slopes to deal with the RZT S will give you the best steering because the front wheels steer like a tractor. You may want to look at the Raptor HD if you want a heavier machine.
Ava
Thank you so much. We appreciate all the advice. We will get one ordered today and let you know how it is!
Ava
Hi again! Thank you for your quick response! One final question before we make our purchase. In your review of the Craftsman 20401 you mention comparable models: John Deere D160, Cub Cadet LGT1054, and the Husqvarna LGT2654. In your opinion, would any of these models be worth the additional money or is the 20401 the better choice?
Paul Sikkema
@Ava, Not this year. If you are a John Deere fan the D160 is very comparable but the Husqvarna and Cub Cadet don’t have the extensive service network Sears and John Deere have.
Ava
Hi Paul! Thank you so much for your blog. I’ve been reading and reading! We recently moved to a 2.5 acre property and are needing to purchase a riding mower. I have been reading review after review of every kind of mower you can imagine. Thought I would ask for you advice. We live in Colorado and the property is flat. We have a large fenced area (kind of a pasture) with a lot of weeds. This will be our primary use for the riding mower. We have a push mower and can easily do our yard if we have to. We have a few trees to mow outside of the fencing but nothing we couldn’t get with the push mower if we had to (although if the riding mower allowed for it we wouldn’t complain). The pasture area has a few gopher holes but nothing major, the animals typically keep them out of our property. Based on your blogs, it sounds like a tractor would be the best option for us. I’m thinking maybe a 48″ mower but not really sure if that’d be the best option. Do you have any suggestions on deck size, hp, brands, etc?
We don’t necessarily need a tractor that is heavy enough to pull things or add attachments to but if you have any affordable recommendations that can accommodate them we would prefer to buy one piece of equipment that will work for us for years to come (and I can imagine in the future we will need more than just mowing). We would prefer to stay under $3000 and if there’s something in the $2000 range that would just be terrific.
Paul Sikkema
@Ava, Because you want to use this tractor out in the pasture there is really nothing I can recommend in the $2000 range. Why? Because all those tractors have small 20 inch wheels made just for mowing smooth lawns.
But I can keep you well under $3000. I think the Craftsman 20401 will work fine for you. It has larger wheels so it can handle the rough pasture. It has a good 48 inch deck and you can use it later on for attachments.
Please read my review here: 2014 Craftsman G5100 Model 20401 48 in 24 hp Garden Tractor Review
PATRICK
Paul, 2 questions: Would an Ariens Max Zoom 60 #991087 be an over kill for 3 acres,.flat, 13 small trees. My 1998 JD GT275 blew an engine, 17HP KAW , are the parts worth anything?
Thanks,
Pat
Springfield,Ohio
Paul Sikkema
@Patrick, I’d take a few pictures and post it on Craigslist. Ask any price you think is reasonable (around here $500) and see who shows up. If you get no response lower the price.
I think
Ariens Riding Lawn Mower. Max Zoom 60 in. 25 HP Kohler 7000 Series Pro V-Twin ZT3100 Transaxles Zero-Turn 991087
Is a great choice. The mower will last you years and may be the last mower you need for your property. You can easily mow you lawn in less than an hour and the Ariens will take a beating. I like your choice.ryan
Axle tx
would you recommend saving the money and going for the craftsman, cause I’m looking to get the best bang for my buck longer lasting, less problems, a mower that I’ll be able to have years from now.
Paul Sikkema
@Ryan, I feel the Craftsman zero-turns represent the best value for residential zero-turns for 2014. Myself, I know I can easily get 10 years and more out of them if I size them to the lawn, do the maintenance required and try not to abuse them by running into and hitting objects.
Size-wise here is my breakdown to get the best life.
42 inch Model 20411: One Acre or so.
My Review:46 inch Model 20413: One to 1 1/2 Acres.
My Review:54 inch Model 20414: 2-5 acres
My Review:54 inch Model 20415: 2-5 acres
My Review:54 inch Model 20417: 2-7 acres
My Review:Phil
Paul
I use a 48″Snapper pro walk behind now and really wanted to go to a larger cut z-turn. I like the look they give after a cut and really want something that will last my lifetime. I know you feel the Toro Titan is overkill but any other suggestions?
Paul Sikkema
@Phil, To recap. You are mowing a little over an acre and one end has a little slope. In reality a good 42 inch zero-turn will mow your lawn in about an hour. A 48 inch can mow it in 30 minutes and a 60 inch in 15 minutes or so. You want something that will last so we’ll look at a fabricated deck, commercial grade engine, heavier than normal transmissions, from a Brand that has a great history.
You can go to a local dealer to check these out but I am going to show you a few available at Home Depot.
60 inch.
Ariens Riding Lawn Mower. Max Zoom 60 in. 25 HP Kohler 7000 Series Pro V-Twin ZT3100 Transaxles Zero-Turn 991087
Basically the same as a Gravely.Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 60 in. 24 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 933119
48-52 inch
Ariens Riding Lawn Mower. Max Zoom 52 in. 23 HP Kohler 7000 Series V-Twin ZT3100 Transaxles Zero-Turn 991086
Ariens Riding Lawn Mower. Max Zoom 48 in. 22 HP Kohler 7000 Series V-Twin ZT3100 Transaxles Zero-Turn 991085
Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 54 in. 23 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 933101
While you are on the Home Depot site also look at the Ariens Zoom XL mowers. They have all the features and durability you need to last you years.
Spend a little time going over the features of these mowers and then feel free to ask as many questions as you need. There are other brands out there that are a rugged but these are a good place to start. I’ll be glad to help you pick the best for you.
Ryan
Azle tx
hi Paul i was wondering about hustler raptor 42 and 52 i have 1 1/2 acres with some trees and a drainage ditch that runs the front of the property mainly flat in a rural neighborhood with acerage and was wondering if this would be a good option for me? Or if there is a better option for me. Thank you for your help!
Paul Sikkema
@Ryan, Yes, It sounds like the Raptor will work well. If 52 is too big and 42 too small also consider the Craftsman 46 inch zero-turn. Read my review here: 2014 Craftsman 46 Inch Model 20413 Zero Turn Riding Mower Review
Elaine Marshall
Paul, my husband and I are going to go look at mowers this morning. We have had John Deer lawn tractors for the past 25 years. We have a 4 acre pasture we cut as well as a moderate lawn with rock walled islands with trees. We have 12.5 acreas, most of which is hardwoods in natural setting, but the lawn has major leaves to clean up with limbs and twigs falling from the edge of the woods. We have been looking at a Exmark Zero Turn mower. After reading your comments, I am not sure that is a good fit for us. We have 2 John Deere at present (one whose transmission is shot and cannot put the lightest hill or pull a cart after about 20 minutes of running and the other is just for pulling and not cutting). Given these factors what would you suggest?
Carrollton, Georgia
Paul Sikkema
@Elaine, You may be best with a John Deere 700 Series Tractor or even the new 1025R sub-Compact. There are also other good brands of compact tractors like Kubota, Mahindra and Farmall. I’m sure there is a Mahindra dealer in your area.
If you want an Exmark please look at the Pioneer or Lazer Z series. DO NOT consider the Quest, it’s too light for your needs. A Laser Z is heavy enough (frame, deck, engine, blades, etc) to handle most of what you want to do. The Transmissions are heavy enough enough to pull a yard chipper/vac. Commercial zero-turns don’t mow pastures well. They are really designed for finish cutting. You will have to raise the deck up and then mow the area 2 or three times. But the Laser’s transmissions are strong enough so you could pull a brush mower like the Acrease Rough Cut mower.
David
Davie, Florida. Hey Paul, I’ve been using a 42″ 16.hp tractor to mow my one acre since 2001 (yes it’s an old machine, burning oil). I was considering going to a zero turn and have been looking at Ariens (makes Gravely). The Zoom has a stamped deck w/cast iron spindles. I like the price. The Zoom XL has the welded deck w/ aluminum spindles. Any advise about name brands or spending the extra money, which I will if it’s worth it.
Paul Sikkema
@David, Take a look at the 42 inch Craftsman. It is the best value on the market right now. It is comparable to the Zoom. Here is my review: 20411 Review
The Ariens Zoom XL is a high quality, heavy duty residential mower.
Ariens Riding Lawn Mower. Zoom XL 42 in. 20 HP Kohler 7000 Series V-Twin ZT2800 Transaxles Zero-Turn 915163
. I like Ariens a lot as a company. They really take care of their customers.Karen Bramblett
Paul, your article offers wonderful advice. I live on an old farmstead in Plymouth Meeting, Pennsylvania that has1 acre of bumpy lawn and half an acre of old field that I have been mowing with a Gravely 8163 tractor mower. It’s all pretty flat, except the “ditch-like” strip along the road where the yard is lower than the road. After 20 years of service, the Gravely is getting pricey to repair and maintain. I am thinking of replacing it with a zero turn, with the thought that it will mean less time being bumped around the yard. I’ve looked at the Gravely ProTurn, Gravely ZTHD and Husqvarna RZ5424, and I hope to look at a Hustler. These are models carried by dealers known for good service in my area. Do you have any recommendations, or should I be looking at something else for my situation? Thanks for the great article!
Paul Sikkema
@Karen, It sounds like you have done your research. If you trust your Gravely dealer, stick with someone you know. The Gravely’s are very comparable to the Hustler HD. Here are links to the HD:
Raptor SD – 4 acres an hour – Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 54 in. 23 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 933101
Raptor SD – 5 acres an hour – Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 60 in. 24 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 933119
The only other zero-turn I would suggest if the Craftsman 20414. It is the same mower as the Husqvarna RZ5424 with three great exceptions.
First it comes with the new keyless complete start found on the the 2014 Husqvarna RZ54i. This new ignition switch has diagnostics built so if it won’t start the keypad will tell you what is wrong.
Second, It includes the $70 optional headlights.
Third, It is priced $150 less than the RZ5424 and $250 less that the RZ54i. (Sears has a different pricing structure so they can sell for less) Click on the link to read my review.
Phil
Hi can you tell me your overall opinion on the Toro Titan MX5400 for residential use.
Paul Sikkema
@Phil, In my opinion unless you are mowing 10 acres or more every week it’s really overkill for one residential yard. Please tell me how big your mowing area is, what type of grass and terrain and maybe we can narrow down a less expensive mower.
– The Toro will mow around 4 acres an hour all day long.
– It is so rugged it has a 4 year or 400 hour warranty.
– The mower is designed to mow 30 to 40 hours a week all year long so it will outlast you in normal residential use.
– It is a heavy mower but also has big front and rear tires to compensate.
Phil
Paul I am mowing a little bit over an acre have a little bit of a hill in the front yard not very big and the remainder mainly flat terrain. I do want something that will last me a long time.
Paul Sikkema
@Phil, The best value on the market right now for your lawn is the 42 inch Craftsman T2200 or T3000.
Here are my reviews: T2200 Review and T3000 Review
Jim schulz
Dear Paul I am looking for a good used mower I have 3 acres pretty normal with pasture. I have had lawn tractors that last me 3 years or so and want a good tough reliable mower with a budget of 3000 or so I found a John deer 737 with 300 hrs pretty clean for 3900.00 but have no experience with commercial grade mowers that will last me more than 4 years and powerful enough to mow grass and weeds 6 or more inches what do you recommend .
Paul Sikkema
@Jim, The price for the 737 is about right. Tractorhouse.com has 20 or so ranging from $3400 to over $8000. If you are buying from a dealer see if you can get a 30 day to 1 year warranty on the drives (transmissions) ($1200 to repair) and engine (up to $2500 to repair). If the rest of the mower (blades, bearings, tires etc.) need repair the parts are about twice the cost of a lawn tractor part.
The 737 was sold as a commercial unit but in today’s market it is more a high end residential. Mowing your property it will last you a long time. Commercial mowers are finish cut mowers. If you want to mow the pasture when the grass is over 6 inches you will have to mow the same area at least twice.
Jim schulz
I have heard that if grass builds up on the 737 you could have head damage on that unit and they said 3900 was to high no more than 3400 for that mower
Paul Sikkema
@Jim, I could only find one online that was $3400. Everyone wants between $4500 and $8000 for 737’s with low hours and look good. Am I missing something?
Darian
I have about 3 acres to mow. Most of it is rough ground. I will probably have more to cut in the next two years (clearing more yard). I have never owned a zero turn, don’t really know much about them and want to get the best most durable mower for my money. I have a budget of about 5,000 on the low end and 8,000 max. I have been tortured with a 42 inch rider for the past 4 years and it has been terrible. Any advice you could give me, would be truly appreciated.
Paul Sikkema
@Darien, There are quite a few zero-turns in your price range but one 2014 model I like is the Hustler Raptor SD- Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 54 in. 23 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 933101
It’s actually quite a bit less than your budget.
I also like the Ariens Max Zoom Ariens Riding Lawn Mower. Max Zoom 60 in. 25 HP Kohler 7000 Series Pro V-Twin ZT3100 Transaxles Zero-Turn 991087
I would also look around in your area and see what commercial mower dealer there are. Feel free to write back and I’ll go through them for you.
Ray
I am preparing for my second season of mowing at a new home. I have about 2 ac. With trees, flowerbeds, pool, and a slope in the front of the house. I had an old craftsman and it took me 3 hours to now. I want to get a zero turn and have been talking to a local Hustler dealer. I am trying to decide between the Raptor 54″ and the fastrack. The lawn is fairly rough so I am also considering asking about the flex forks. Do you have any recommendations? Rural NW Ohio on Indiana and Michigan corner
Paul Sikkema
@Ray, The RaptorSD is designed for that type of yard. You will get years out of it. Personally I would go with the 54 inch RaptorSD because it has heavier transmissions than the Raptor 50 inch.
The Fastrac is better and is designed to put in more hours in a week than you will in a year. So do you want to spend the extra money on overkill?
PATRICK
Thanks Paul and Maria. I appreciate the feedback. Also looking at the Exmark Quest S 50in w/ the fabricated deck. I realize that it is essentially the same as the Toro 5060. Same engine Kaw FR 691V, same size deck, 50in. My repair guy carries the Exmark so I might support him if I can but his price is 200.00 more than the Toro MX5060. Your thoughts please. Thanks
Paul Sikkema
@Patrick, Is it worth $200 to have local parts, and service from someone you already trust? I’ll bet he will always go out of his way to get your machine repaired quickly and if he can’t he will have a demo you can use to mow your lawn in an emergency.
Let him know the cost (in writing) of the Toro and see if he will split the difference.
Mike
Paul,
I’ve been reading your comments and seems like you definitely know what you’re talking about when it comes to lawnmower performance. Need some advice please. First of all, I have an oversized residential, corner lot in a very nice neighborhood (all lawns look great, being done by commercial guys with expensive eXmark type equipment). I had a Honda push and then bought a John Deere D140 48 in deck to cut my time in half. I put a mulching kit on it with mulching blades. The D140 ran great, powerful enough (backyard and front slope, sides flat). But, the height adjustment was at the highest and still seemed to sometimes scalp my yard and gave me an uneven cut I thought. Not to mention, I had to blow my yard after mowing because grass lines were left behind. I took the tractor to get serviced at John Deere AgPro and they said the deck/blades were balanced appropriately. So, I sold the D140. What should I buy? A zero turn? Another tractor? Is 48 in deck too long? What brand has better cut quality and won’t scalp as bad? I also don’t want to break the bank…been looking at things like lower end Hustler, eXmark Quest S series, Cub Cadet’s RTZ S zero turn.
Thanks for any advice you can give. FYI, I have Bermuda grass.
Thanks,
Mike
Little Rock, AR
Paul Sikkema
@Mike the Hustler, Toro/Quest S are using deep decks, tall tires and big frames that will give you at least 4.5 inches of cutting height.
The Cub Cadet uses lawn tractor decks in the RTZ S series so it won’t give you the cut on Bermuda Grass that you want.
It you think the 48 inch deck was too wide for you yard but want a better deck for the Bermuda, look closely at the Hustler 42 inch. Hustler Raptor. (I give the Raptor a hard time in my review because of the cost, but in your case it’s worth spending the extra to get the fabricated deck)
Maria
This is a comment for Patrick, and his inquiry about the Toro MX5060. I bought this model last summer. So far I love it. This is the first Spring I have used it. But like my previous Zero turn. A commercial Bad Boy. It too struggles a tad with the lush green lawn that I have. I think once the grass really starts to dry out it becomes easier on it. I had no problems with it during the summer months. The only “complaint” if you will is it tends to collect grass, and leaves on the top of the deck, and can be a challenge to get clean. I use a leaf blower to blow most of it off. I really don’t care for the wash out deck, so I tend to do it the old fashioned way, and then run the blades to dry the excess moisture from the spindles. I find it’s also more comfortable than my Bad Boy was. I would recommend the Toro MX 5060. Just thought I would give you my average homeowner with an acre of grass opinion. Thanks Paul for your blog, have been enjoying the pick up in activity lately.
PATRICK
Hello Sir, I have 3 acres with 13 small trees spaced apart and essentially flat and open. My JD GT 275 48″ blew an engine. I have been looking at a Toro MX5060 and a Toro ZX 5420. The reviews on the MX5060 seem to be better. The MX5060 is this years model. The ZX5420 is a left over from last year and is on clearance. The differences between the 2 are: transmission ZT2800 vs. ZT3100, deck size 50 vs 54, gas tank size 3 gal vs 7 gal, seat suspension I think. The cost is 500.00 more for the ZX5420. Your thoughts please. Thanks
Paul Sikkema
@Patrick, There are more reviews of the MX5060 because many more homeowners buy that model. The ZX5420 is a commercial version and is way-overkill for your yard (it capable of mowing 50-75 acres a week)
Here is a link to the MX at Home Depot to give you and idea of a good price for it.
Toro Riding Lawn Mower. TimeCutter Mx5060 50 in. 23 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Zero-Turn with Smart Speed 74641
Tom
Paul,
I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge with those of us who are not certain about what mower to buy, I have 2 acres, half of which has slopes and hills. I am trying to decide between a John Deere Z915B, Hustler Fastrak, or Hustler X one i. The Deere dealer is about three miles away and will take $6710 for a Z915B with 54″ deck or $6980 for 60″ deck. The Hustler dealer is about 30 miles away and wants $5799 for Fastrak or $7000 for the X one i with a 60″ deck. The X one i was a demo and has 21 hours. The Fastrak for $5799 has a 54″ deck, the 60″ is $5999. I have one dealer telling me that the 54″ is all I need, and one saying that the 60″ would be better because of slopes and mowing time. My yard is fairly rough so the Hustler dealer said he would through in Flex Forks on the Fastrak or X one i for the same price. I plan to buy a mower this week, what are your thoughts? Thanks
Tom
Paul Sikkema
@Tom, I only know one owner with a Deere 915. Hi loves it (he’s a Deere fanatic) but he only uses it on good commercial lawns.
The Xonei has my attention. The best price I’ve seen for it new is $8600 so at $7000 with flex forks it’s the best deal of the ones you listed. You will really like the extra suspension in the front if your lawn is rough.
54 inches is all you need but I have found over the years the 60 inch decks cut better, they cut more evenly than the 54’s and the 60 on the Xone i is all but indestructable. The X one i also is the heaviest and has the heaviest drives system so it will handle your slopes and hills well for many, many years.
You can mow your 2 acres with a 60 inch at 8 mph in about 30 minutes. It will take you 45 minutes at 8 mph with a 54.
Steve
Paul,
I am looking at four different zero turns for my 3.5 acre yard.
Hustler FasTrak SD 54″
Gravely ZTHD52
Gravely Proturn 152
Husqvarna MZT52 KAW motor (this has the package deal going to include other items)
My property is mainly flat with minor bumps here and there. There is roughly 1.5 acre of freshly seeded lawn and the rest was old field cut down.
Which of these do you feel is the best for the long hall.
Thanks
Steve
Auburn Hills MI
Paul Sikkema
@Steve, The Gravely Proturn 152 is a very heavy duty unit. The Hustler FasTrak SD 54 is also a very heavy duty unit, but both are over kill for you property. Right now, I am partial to the Hustler Raptor SD. You can get it through Home Depot: Raptor SD – 4 acres an hour – Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 54 in. 23 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 933101
Kathy
Hi Paul, I own 16 acres of mostly flat/rolling acreage, some is pasture and some is lawn. I am looking to purchase a zero turn mower that is fast and durable. The pastures are well kept, but do get longer and have some brambles, being able to mow them taller (4 – 4.5 inches) is essential. We live in the Nashville/Clarksville TN area – is there a mower with a large deck (60+)that would be suitable? Thanks
Paul Sikkema
@Kathy, I agree with you and would stick with a 60 inch deck. Don’t go to a 72.
When you get over $7000 just about all of the name brand machines are great. I’m always partial to the Exmark Lazer series, but Gravely, Ariens, Ariens/Gravely, Bad Boy, Big Dog, Bob-Cat, Country Clipper, Grasshopper, Hustler, Kubota, Scag and Toro all have good machines in that price range and just about all of them will mow 5 to 5.5 inches.
I would hate to make a suggestion and then you have to drive 50 miles to get one so I suggest looking around within 10-15 miles of your farm and seeing what rural lifestyle dealers are there and what brands they carry. Let me know (you have my email) and then I can help you narrow down the selections.
Henry Pace
Hi Paul I’m using a Cub Cadet GT 2550 now and its been a great tractor for the past 5 years and still cuts well. But I’m looking to move to a zero turn with no less than a 50 or 52in cut. I cut about 3 ac 1 of which a heavy lined drive with lots of trees.I’ve been shopping in the below 6k range and have gotten to 3 brands 1) Grasshopper 2) Bad Boys 3) Dixie Chopper. These are running 4k to almost 6k. Whats your take the best of these three. Thanks of any advise on these brands. Lawrenceburg, Kentucky
Paul Sikkema
@Henry, All three are good brands. The Grasshopper has been around the longest, the Dixie is the prettiest, and the Bad Boys is the new kid on the block. The biggest thing with these mowers is: Do you like the dealer who will sell it to you? If you can’t get along with them, the next dealer may be miles away.
If you are strongly considering the Bad Boy also look at these two mowers.
I have not written a review yet, but I really like the Hustler Raptor HD series. Hustler has been around longer than any other zero-turn and they now have a heavy-line of estate zero-turns for well under your budget. I prefer the 60 inch because most owners really like the quality of cut.
Raptor SD 54 inch $3999 – 4 acres an hour – Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 54 in. 23 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 933101
Raptor SD 60 inch $4499- 5 acres an hour – Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 60 in. 24 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 933119
Henry Pace
Henry , Lawrenceburg, Ky Thanks for the recommendations,and now I’m down to two brands
1) Grasshopper 2) Country Clipper. Both dealers or within 5 miles of my home and both act like they really service what the sale. Now what your take on my 2 picks and which engine is your best pick Kohler, Brigg or Kaw. My is save money, get a good product and something that will last me for year. I am one who takes good care of my equip. With your recommendation I hope to give my GT 2550 a break and move to faster better mowing very soon. Thanks for help
Paul Sikkema
@Henry, Both Grasshopper and Country Clipper have been around for a long time. I like the Grasshopper front mount series because you can get under stuff, it follows rough terrain better than a mid-mount zero-turn and you can use other attachments like blades, brushes, etc. You will have to keep your GT around for pulling stuff like carts. Grasshoppers are very popular with the rural crowd because of the dealer support but when things go wrong, they can be very expensive to repair. (Deck parts, drive shafts, hydro pumps)
I absolutely think the single joystick on the Country Clipper is the way ALL zero-turns should be operated. The Edge and Edge LT are rugged and affordable. I really like the optional front step. I have had a few over the years myself.
A great example for you: My neighbor has a 10 year old 60 Edge style for his 3 acres. (He bought it new) He has over 100 trees and mows too short so he is always running over twigs and limbs. He works late so he usually mows his lawn at dusk or in the dark. He never did learn to drive it correctly so he is constantly banging into trees and digging holes in his yard. It sits outside all year long under a tarp (in Wisconsin) He has no mechanical abilities so the machine gets no maintenance. He actually burnt out the started last spring because the mower wouldn’t start. It was out of gas….. He’s put one set of blades on it.
It still mows and drives like the day he bought it.
At this level of mower, the engines are all high end residential or professional grade so it really doesn’t matter what brand is best. Briggs Vangard, Kohler 7000 or Command, and the Kaw FR – FS series will last you 1000 hours or more.
Henry Pace
Henry, Lawrenceburg, Ky Hey Paul one last thought, drove the Country Clipper Wrangler today, loved it and really like the joystick. Dealer did have not an Edge XLT to test which is the model I wanted, but will have in next week. However while there he also sales Bush Hogs Zero turn and the Estate series looks and handles pretty good. So my question is whats your take on the Country Clipper Edge XLT vs the Bush Hog Estate, both with 60 in decks. Edge deck is 14 ga and Estate deck 10 ga. The price of Estate is about $400 more than the Edge. This mower has to last me for many years to come. As I said before my mowing area is 1/2 pretty smooth and the other part not real rough but kind of bounce me around with GT 2550 which I plan to keep. So whats your recommendation on these two. Thanks again
Paul Sikkema
@Henry, I’ll be honest but most likely not accurate….Bush Hog, Land Pride, Woods have been trying to sell zero-turns for 20 years and I think, maybe, they have sold 20 or so. They were always aimed at the farmer but in reality Cub Cadet and Deere always got the sale. Every few years you heard, “We’re getting out” and a few years later “Announcing the NEW!”
Go with the Country Clipper. The Clipper has strength and agility, The Bush Hog just weight. Your comment pretty much sums up the Bush Hog. It handles “pretty good” but it’s nowhere near the best.
Scott Johnson
Paul can you compare the Skag Tiger Cat versus Hustler Raptor HD. The $3200 difference in price is obviously very big. What more would I be getting with the Skag for the price difference?
Paul Sikkema
@Scott, If I have 2 to 15 acres and I want my mower to last at least 10 years I would buy the Raptor HD. (2 to 3 hours a week, 25-30 weeks a year)
If I wanted to make money and I had 50 to 100 acres of lawn I mowed every week. If I wanted a mower to last at least 5 to 10 years I would buy the Skag (or Exmark Lazer Z or Wright Sentar, etc.) (20-30 hours a week, 25-35 weeks a year)
Both are high quality machines but each one is designed for a different use. The Raptor for estates or one business property. The Tiger for many multiple sites or dozens of acres for you business.
Amber
I live on about 4 acres of mixed obstacles. There are lots of trees, exposed tree roots, garden beds, rocks, slopes, ditches, fences, bushes. Needless to say it usually takes about 3 hours + trim time. I am trying to minimize mowing and trim time. We have been using craftsman riding lawn mowers for about 20 years and we have started looking into zero turn mowers. We are looking at at least a 54″ deck. I have read (and think for the beating it would probably take) that a welded/fabricated (which is usually between 7 and 10 gauge) deck would be best not a stamped deck. We have looked at some Kubota 54″ models, Airens, John Deer, Husqvarna. The Kubota looked pretty good, Basically I want to know if there is a zero turn mower under 6k that is heavy duty and can handle the lawn I have. I need it to be able to take a beating.I am not completely opposed to getting a more traditional riding lawn mower but I would obviously still need the same heavy duty nature and tight turning.
Paul Sikkema
@Amber, I have not written a review yet, but I really like the Hustler Raptor HD series. Hustler has been around longer than any other zero-turn and they now have a heavy-line of estate zero-turns for well under your budget. I prefer the 60 inch because most owners really like the quality of cut.
Raptor SD 54 inch $3999 – 4 acres an hour – Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 54 in. 23 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 933101
Raptor SD 60 inch $4499- 5 acres an hour – Hustler Lawn Mower. Raptor 60 in. 24 HP Kawasaki V-Twin Hydrostatic Zero-Turn Mower 933119
Scott Johnson
I am having the delaer bring out the demo this weekend fro teh SKAG Tiger Cat. I got him down to $7700 for that unit. It is a mower that has never been used but he said was 2 years old. Is that a good value?
Paul Sikkema
@Scott, That price is less than any comparable Skag on ebay so, yes it is a fair deal.
Scott Johnson
We purchased a property with over 6 acres of total property in December. We need to purchase a mower. I stopped by a local dealer today who sells a few brands. His options are a zero turn and a conventional mower. He has Scag Tiger cat zero turn mower with a 60 inch deck and a Simplicity Prestige mower with a 54 inch deck at the same price. Trying to decide if the better route is to buy the conventional mower or the zero turn is the best option. The property does have slopes and a couple places are somewhat steep. The zero turn mower is new but a couple years old. Got prices from the local John Deere dealership for their used mowers and they are the higher price for mowers that are 2 years old with 100+ hours on them. Looking for input on the trade off between the speed factor if the zero turn versus the flexibility of the conventional mower.
This local Scag dealership has a very good reputation and services the mowers himself.
Paul Sikkema
@Scott, The Prestige has 3 advantages. 1. It is the best for hills. The tractor has automatic traction control and will go up hills better than any zero-turn. If a wheel loses traction just bring the foot pedal to neutral and then push down and both rear wheels lock up and up the hill you go.. 2. It is one of the best cutting tractors. The Prestige uses a “ground hugging” deck. The deck actually rides on gauge wheels and follows the exact contour of the ground. It has a full length roller in the rear to help it mow evenly and also stripes your lawn. If you want the best looking lawn in the county it’s the second best deck around (Walker mowers have the best cutting decks) When you are done the quality of cut will be just as good as the fairways at your local golf course. 3. Anyone can drive it. It drives like a car, has a great seat and power steering. 4. Disadvantage. It mows slower than the Skag.
The Tiger also has a few advantages. 1. It one of the toughest zero-turns. You can bang it into trees, rocks and building and it will keep going. 2. Speed. The Tiger will cut almost twice as fast as the Prestige. The quality is good for a full floating deck zero turn. (It’s as good as the 915-925 John Deere) 3. Disadvantage. The Skags tend to have a little higher center of gravity than most commercial zero turns. This works well on flat land and gentle slopes but I would try it on your slopes (or let the dealer demo it for you on your slopes) before you buy. You don’t have to actually mow with it, just drive it up and down the hills. If you stop going up a hill, it may want to pop the front end up when you take off. If you ever have to stop on the hill, back down it, don’t try to restart and go up the hill. If the “pucker factor” is too great, go with the Prestige.
Scott Johnson
The dealer is willing to let us demo the Scag but not the prestige. We have all kinds of trees to mow around. Of the property acres, most of the area is flat or slightly rolling. There is about 1/2 an acre that is steeper. My wife has really not runs a rider much and my oldest child is just 13 so I am How much time difference do you see in mowing times between the 2 choices for mowing 5 to 6 acres?
Paul Sikkema
@Scott, I forgot to mention, The Prestige will pull stuff. Heavy loads of firewood, dirt, even logs and stuff. It does more than just mow. You don’t need to demo it, it’s a great machine
When the dealer brings out the Skag have him look at the hills and get his opinion between the two. I suggest keeping the roll-bar up and use the seat belt on the Skag. Trim up your trees high enough to get under them with the roll-bar up.
The Skag will mow the property in half the time. When your 13 year old reaches 16 or so they will love the zero-turn.
It’s a tough choice but if the Skag can handle the hills I would go with it. I would get an ATV or an old used lawn tractor to pull my cart, etc. for clean ups.
Scott Johnson
Paul is is Scott from Illinois again. I had a bad experience with my local Skag dealer after I was leaning toward purchasing it. He reneged on a written down price and changed the price by $1300. So I went to another dealer today who I personally know the mechanic who works on the lawn mowers. They sell many brands but the salesmen I talked to recommended the Ferris mowers that they sell. Just to refresh your memory we have 6.6 acres of property and it has slopes on most of the property and a couple places are somewhat steep. The model that the salesman talked about was the Ferris 2100z. The list price they had was $8400 for a 2014 model. I am interested in your opinion of this model. I know you have recommended the Hustler Raptor but the closest dealer to me who services those is over an hour away and the Ferris dealer is only about 20 minutes away and I am very good friends with the guy who services the mowers there. The dealership is bringing me out a Ferris to test on our property on Monday. Thanks again in advance for your input.
Paul Sikkema
@Scott, The Ferris 2100Z is new for 2014 and is one of the best new mowers on the market. It’s big, tough and over kill for your yard. But if you buy one you will never need to think about replacing it. (The hydros are tough enough for a skid steer loader)
PEABUDY’S INC has been around for a long time and they will treat you right. I think my father bought his last combine from them. (I grew up in Erie/Fulton)
Scott Johnson
Peabody’s is who I am talking to as I am from the local area and my friend works in service there. My yard is in need up big time work as the property was foreclosed on and the yard has really been neglected. Needs aerated, fertilized, over seeded etc. Will this mover be able to pull a lawn sweep, fertilizer spreaders or thatcher type of attachments?
The book they gave me has the 700z listed as the next step down. How does it compare to the 2100?
I really want to thank you for all your input. Your information had been very, very helpful and I really appreciate it. Thank you very much.
Paul Sikkema
@Scott, I would have no problem pulling 500 lbs or more with either machine. The 700z is rugged enough for 50 acres a week, the 2100z is probably good for 100 or more. Both have big tires so traction and floatation will not be a problem on your rich midwestern soil. Once you get your property fixed up you’ll be able to mow your 6 acres in less than 75 minutes with either machine.
If you can get the 700z for less than $7900 I would suggest going that way. Let us know what you ended up with.
Tim Durham
I’m trying to start my own lawn care business in southern Indiana. I’m starting out doing small residential lawns but looking to expand to commercial business. I have an old Dixon ZT I’m starting out with. What would be a good entry level commercial ZT to buy for an up start company. The budget is around 7k. Thanks for all of your input.
Paul Sikkema
@Tim, Please tell me where in S Indiana. There are some pretty good hills in the South west corner and along the Ohio. Is you Dixon a hydro or cone drive?
I really need a lot more info to help you select the best mower. How big are your lawns typically? Are you doing residential or commercial? Do you bag? How often do you bag?
I prefer stand-ons for most commercial work, but they are limited when it comes to bagging.
Andrew
Hello Paul. Hello. I’m shopping around for a mower, never have had one. I’ve seen the Snapper RE210 33″ and recently I heard of the Dixon ZTR 30. There is no way a bigger deck would go thru my fence gates and lack of storing space for a bigger mower.I have a small flat yard, 0.25 acres a couple trees. I want to use a bagging attachement to be able to collect leaves in fall. Could you please give me some advice/comment regarding those two? I appreciate that and your additional recommendation. Thank you!! Pittsboro, NC
Paul Sikkema
@Andrew, The Snapper is a great little mower and has years of great support through your local dealer. The bagger works very well.
The Dixon ZTR 30 – Husqvarna RZ3016 is a very special mower and I recommend it to very few people. It cuts great but does not handle any dips, slopes or ditches well. It you weigh more than 140 lbs or so it also does not turn well and will tear up your lawn. A bagger throws the turning off even more.
Also look at the Craftsman
420cc 30” 6-Speed Rear Engine Rider – CA Only
. It has a manual transmission but the owners love it.Nelson V
Kissimmee FL,
Paul I noticed your most of your recommended mowers are craftsmans.
I’m currently in the market for a zero turn, I have under an acre pretty flat except where there is a water drain ditch running the width of the front of my home no trees in the way, and was considering the toro time cutter ss5000 because of the great reviews and an online shop sells it for $2845 w/free shipping and they also got good reviews from consumers.
I didn’t notice you recommend the SS Z line to others and was wondering what you thought of it, and would you recommend another mower comparable in size and price that may be better in your opinion.
I appreciate your expertise and time and excellent write up!
Regards, Nelson V.
Paul Sikkema
@Nelson, Yes, It’s hard to beat Craftsman this year, but more than that I have been so busy answering comments that I have not gotten all the reviews done.
I like the Toro Time cutter series. The 74631 is a solid mower. The deck is a very good cutting large deck. The Kawasaki motor is what many people want. I like the Smart Speed so if you ever want to pull something you can slow it down and not wreck the hydros.
Now, I see the online store, WISE sales, is selling it for $2845. It retails for $3199 on the Toro.com site. I know WISE and they have a great reputation in the Chicago area. I know they are about $250 less than retail price. But, what if there is a problem with your mower? Do they have an agreement with your local Toro dealer to have it repaired there or do you have to troubleshoot it over the phone and get the parts from Wise? Talk to your local dealer before you buy online and see if he will give you close to the same deal.
Nelson V
You make a valid point, according to the website all I noticed was the 3 year manufacturer warranty, im guessing I can take it to a toro repair facility with that, but I’ll definitely inquire about it. Considering I’ll be saving close to $500 if you calculate Taxes and retail pricing differences the bargain is amazing but since it’s the first I have noticed I don’t want to over look another great machine…
Any recommendation? Under $3k preferred.
Thanks in Advance! !
Paul Sikkema
@Nelson, A Toro repair facility will be a Toro Dealer in your area.
By the way if you buy a product out of state most states require you pay the tax to your home state. Be careful letting info out like that on the Internet.
To make a fair suggestion for the type of mower I can suggest, how large is the area you want to mow?
Nelson V
I ended up buying the toro SS5000 and an hourmeter kit, if they charged charged me tax it must have been already included in the advertised price because I payed just what the website said it was w/ free shipping and tail gate service for under $2900 🙂
I called a toro service Center and they told me as long as the unit is registered to me they’ll repair it under warranty, but I’ll have to bring it to them.
My property is about 0.75 acre, a lil bumpy because of the ant eaters burrowing holes but really no steep inclines, mowing should be a breeze! 🙂
Thanks for your time friend!
Joe
Hi Paul,
Thanks for the informative article. I recently moved to a house that has three acres of grass with a pond that is surrounded by a sloped embankment. I’m new to riding mowers and am curious what you think the best mower for my situation is. Please help.
Paul Sikkema
@Joe, I would stay away from a zero-turn. Slopes, ponds and embankments around ponds don’t work well with zero-turns. A large yard though can use a large deck and any of the 54 inch decks will work well. I always recommend the Craftsman
54" Turn Tight 24 HP Garden Tractor w/ Complete Start
. Go here to read my review: 2014 Craftsman G5500 Model 20403 54 in 24 hp Garden Tractor ReviewPhillip
Paul,
I have 1.25 acres all flat. Very few trees. The only “issue” I have is that the moles have really done a number on this yard historically (I just purchased the home a few months ago) so it’s pretty bumpy. I’m trying to decide between a used commercial (~ 500 hours) vs. residential (used with ~ 250 hours or new if the price is right). Most people I talk to say go used commercial hands down, but I’m not totally convinced. Do I spend ~ $1500 – $2500 for a residential or spring the extra $1000-$1500 for a used commercial. For example I have seen a Scag Freedom Z 48″ 26 HP Briggs with 530 hours for $3100 and a Ferris 1500Z 48″ 21 HP Kaw (which some say are a more comfortable ride but maybe not as durable as other commercial ztrs like Scag or Exmark) with 106 hours for $4100. Then on the residential side I’m seeing Cub Cadets and Toros ~50″ ~24 HP with low hours (~ 200 or less) in the $1500 range and some John Deere for a little more money. I take care of my things and can diligently service whatever I buy. So, for my purposes, used commercial vs. lightly used or new residential? Thanks in advance.
Phillip
Nashville, Tennessee
Paul Sikkema
@Phillip, I am very nervous about recommending a used zero-turn to anyone. I need to know exactly who used it and how it was used. For example, Where is it coming from? If it’s coming from a city or park service remember they put teenagers on them all summer. And you know how teenagers treat their own stuff. If you are buying it from a dealer be even more careful unless you can talk directly to the original owner. Are the commercial models leases coming back, returns because the original owner didn’t like it, or landscapers going broke. The commercial guys put 1000 to 3000 hours on their mowers if they like them.
These puppy’s can be very expensive to fix. It’s real easy to sink $2-4000 into a used commercial one. For example, my father bought a used Exmark a few years ago without letting me go over it. He paid $3000 for it (a great deal) and over the last 5 years has put another $4800 in engine, trans, bearings and axles.
The prices you are quoting are very cheap. Half of what I’m seeing for used commercial with that few hours. At those prices it may be worth buying knowing that later they will be more expensive to repair.
Randy Puckett
Paul, it is very admirable that you take the time to respond to folks questions and shows how dedicated you are to your trade. Now that I got my opinion out of the way I do have a question. I am looking to buy my first zero turn mower and struggling between several models and options and wanted your unbiased opinion. First, I currently do not have a large yard approx. 2/3 of an acre but hope to move back to the country in a few years if house prices ever go back up. I was looking at a 48″ deck and came across the toro titan 4800 (14 model yr) with a kaw engine. What are your thoughts on the model. The other model I was looking at was the Husqvarna mz52 and mzt52 with the fabricated deck and kaw engine. I know the mz52 is way more machine then what I need at the moment. With this said, is the mz52 worth the extra money compared to the toro titan?
Paul Sikkema
@Randy, I read your comment wrong. I’ll rewrite this in the morning.
@Randy, 14 year old Titan 4800. Back then Kaw’s were not the top of the pile. They were an inexpensive alternative to the Kohler. They were basically “throw-aways,” 1200-1400 hours and you threw them away and installed a Kohler.
You didn’t tell me how much they are asking for the Titan. How many hours is on the unit? Where is it coming from? If it’s coming from a city or park service remember they put teenagers on them all summer. And you know how teenagers treat their own stuff. If you are buying it from a dealer be even more careful unless you can talk directly to the original owner. If it has less than 1000 hours you are looking at a motor in a couple of years. If it has less than 2000 hours you are looking at hydros (pump and motors) in the near future.
These puppy’s can be very expensive to fix. It’s real easy to sink $2-4000 into a used one. The Toro is a great machine (basically an Exmark) but be very careful buying a used one. My father bought a used Exmark a few years ago without letting me go over it. He paid $3000 for it (a great deal) and over the last 5 years has put another $4800 in engine, trans, bearings and axles.
The MZ52 is a good entry level commercial mower. I recommend them all the time to the “two guys and a pickup truck” businesses. The MZT52 is a step up in quality, and the quality is proportional to the extra cost. Now, The MZ52 never gets bad reviews because the guys buying it know what they are buying (an entry level commercial mower) On the other hand the MZT gets a lot more poor reviews because the owners pay more and think they are getting the quality of an $8000 Exmark, for $5500. They’re not, they are just getting the quality they are paying for. Does that make sense?
Randy Puckett
Paul – My apologies, the toro is a model year 2014 (new) from a local dealer. I realize I should have provided more information. My yard is basically flat with the exception of 2 hills due to my walk out basement and the retaining wall that I have installed. The grade drops about 7 feet over a 25 foot span on either side of the walk out. The one dealer is asking $5500 for the Toro with a powered bagger and mulching kit as well. The Husq mz52 $5000 without any accessories and the mzt52 is running at $5400 without accessories.
Paul Sikkema
@Randy, The Toro wins out over the MX52 on cut and strength of the deck. The cut is exceptional.
All three prices are about right but, I like what you get for the price with the Toro. It is an exceptional estate mower that will last you a long, long time.
Don’t try to mow up that slope with a zero-turn. Never try to mow up it with the bagger on. Mow down, zoom around the bottom to where it flattens out. Go up to the top on the gently sloping area, mow down and repeat. At 8 mph it won’t take long and after a while you can angle cut down the slope also.
Randy
Thank You – keep up the great reviews
Scott
Paul, thanks so much for the valuable feedback. Yes, i have a dealer within 20 mins of my home. In your opinion, is it worth my money to move up to the Fastrak? We’re talking about a $1600 bump from one to the other (3yr/300 hour vs. 4yr./400 hour warranty)?
Paul Sikkema
@Scott, The is quite a difference between the 2 models but for a homeowner there is not enough difference between the RaptorSD and the Fastrac to warrant the extra bucks. The Fastrac has heavier hydros, more fuel capacity and it goes 1/2 mph faster. For a light commercial trying to make money I would recommend the Fastrac over the SD but for the homeowner you will not notice enough difference in productivity, longevity or mowing time to matter. You can mow 3 acres 4 minutes faster with the Fastrac 🙂
Just stay away from the Raptor. That has the small EZT hydros.
Scott
Hi Paul, I’ve been considering moving to a zero-turn abd looking at the Deere 425 and 445 series(Kawasaki engine) vs. Hustler’s Raptor SD or Fastrac models. Do you have any thoughts on value for the spend and reliability on one vs. the other. It’s really tough to decide because they both seem well constructed and comparable.
Paul Sikkema
@Scott, Yes, from the spec they are very comparable. The Hustler models are the way to go IF and it’s a big IF. You have a reliable dealer in your area. The Hustler deck is overbuilt for residential use. There are many other little things that help me decide the Hustler is better. For example the front casters, The caster forks have two extra cuts on each fork that keeps them from scratching or damaging the edges of a building or getting caught in a chain link fence. The Hustler uses composite greased bearings that take a lot more abuse than the sealed roller bearings on the front end of the Deere.
If you have to travel 50 miles or more to get to the Hustler dealer than let’s talk some more.
Ed
This is great info Paul, thanks for putting it all together for us. I’m considering a zero turn this year, and debating if its the right choice. I have approximately 4-5 acres of lawn to cut, and have been using a 38 inch Honda rider, which takes about 6-8 hours. I’d love to cut that time down. Most of the lawn is pretty level, although there are a few parts where I use a push mower, like the ditch and around the pond. I also have one piece that is completely surrounded by trees and bushes, and I’m not sure I could turn it without hitting something with the back of the machine.
I was eyeing the Hustlers, as the price seemed pretty decent. I have managed to remove most of the rocks and obstacles from the lawn, although a few roots are making a reappearance. Do you think a zero turn would work for me, or should I get another larger rider? The 3 larger pieces I mow are quite level with few obstructions, so I thought maybe this would allow me to use the zero turn to cut my mowing time down considerably.
St.Paul, Alberta,Canada
Paul Sikkema
@Ed, I feel you are on the right track. You realize you won’t be able to do everything with the zero-turn but in the open areas it will really save time over a 38 inch mower. To figure the size of deck add 12 inches to the deck width to get the size you need to go through areas that have obstacles. In other words if there is 60 inches between two trees the biggest zero-turn that you should get is a 48 inch.
You always want to mow around the pond with a push mower and if your ditch slope is greater than 10-15 degrees you will have to continue to mow that with the push mower. Be safe!
Now, the larger the deck the more stable the mower so also consider removing some landscaping to fit the new machine. Last year my wife and I removed a rose bed that was too close to a fence and another bed. I wanted to use a 46 inch mower and it just wouldn’t go through.
If you are worried about hitting something with the back of the machine see if there is an available rear bumper or have a machine shop make you one. If you make one have it stick out at least two inches farther than the engine and rear hitch. That will keep you from wrecking the engine or tearing up your landscaping with the hitch.
Craig
Hi Paul,thanks for sharing your knowledge on this subject.I live on Vancouver Island BC (yeah rain forest area !!) and have a couple acres here.
Currently running a JD walk behind (on my second one)
The terrain is mildly sloped with plenty of obstacles,raised beds,fruit trees,fenced garden areas etc.In my research it looks like the Gravely 42″ ZT is the best choice in my budget. I’d like to have the bagging system also but the reviews are very mixed in that regard,with many loving the mower but disliking the bagging system.
Do you have any experience with them?
Would you suggest a different setup?
Thank you the info!
Paul Sikkema
@Craig, I don’t have a lot of first hand experience with the Gravely’s. But they do have a great reputation here in the Midwest. I’m a little concerned with slopes. Make sure they are under 10 degrees. The small zero-turns (42 inch and under) don’t like turning or mowing across slopes. Check with the dealer and see if you can test it for a couple of mows or return it if it doesn’t work out.
Bagging systems without aux blowers like the ones available for 42 inch ZTR’s are very dependent on what you are collecting. They all pick up dry leaves in the fall. Most of them pick up clippings from a dry lawn well. But when you add morning dew, rain, etc. then most of them will plug or they won’t fill the bagger completely. As long as you understand this the bagging system will work fine for you.
Bagging systems with aux blowers are expensive but pick up and throw anything.
Craig
Thanks Paul,this is very helpful for me.
Sarah Naffziger-Todd
Your information is very useful. I’m currently mowing my parents 2 acre yard with a Cub Cadet 42 inch zero turn (forget model, it’s about 11 yrs old) and love it. Before they bought the Cadet I used a John Deere lawn tractor & the zero turn knocked off at least 45 minutes to an hour off my mow time (they have a lot of trees). Last year it started mowing unevenly but the deck is level so I’m assuming the blades are out of whack. It’s getting looked at now but I’ve been researching buying a new one. Are there any real advantages of a John Deere over a Cub Cadet and do the zero turns with a steering wheel operate as well as the arms? I prefer the arms but they might like to mow every now & then & would prefer the wheel. Thanks!
Paul Sikkema
@Sarah, Cub Cadet want’s you to buy their
.
Cub Cadet Riding Lawn Mower. in. 23 HP V-Twin Dual Hydrostatic Zero-Turn with Steering Wheel Control RZT-S 46
this year. It’s about $300 more than the lap bar version Cub Cadet Riding Lawn Mower. in. 22 HP V-Twin Dual Hydrostatic Zero-Turn RZT-L 46Is it better? I feel the lap-bar is faster and it sounds like you know how to use one well. But the steering wheel version is easy on the turf, can handle slopes better and anyone can use it.
Now the Deere. Unless you get into the 4-5000 range these residential zero-turns all mow about the same. If you are moving up 12 years the new Cub Cadet will mow better than you can imagine compared to your old one. I know each company will argue with me but the Craftsman, Cub Cadet, Husqvarna, John Deere and Troy-Bilt mow and handle basically the same. The real difference is where it is serviced, how well you get along with the dealer and your past experiences with the brand. It sounds like you have had good luck with the Cub Cadet so there is really no reason to switch.
Ryan
Owensboro, KY
We currently have a Husqvarna articulated rider with a 42″ cut and it’s on its last leg. We have about 3 1/2 acres of open and hilly terrain (no steep hills) with few trees. My father is wanting to buy a commercial grade or high end residential grade (something that won’t break after only a few years of use) zero turn mower with a 54-61 inch cut and he is dead set on getting another Husqvarna. We are looking at the Husqvarna M-ZT61 with a 30HP briggs “Endurance Commercial Series” engine and 3400 trans. We found one for $5,000 from a dealer which sounds like a good deal, since I believe the MSRP is around $6,000. I was just wondering if you would recommend this mower or if there was anything just as good or better within that same price range. Not wanting to spend more than $5,000-$5,200.
Thanks for your time. Loved your article.
Paul Sikkema
@Ryan, If you lived a little closer I would love to get your articulated. I need a parts mower for mine.
Yes, the M-ZT61 retails for $5999. There are a lot of contractors in the southeast that use that mower and they all leave good reviews. Something like that will last you a long, long time on 3 1/3 acres. The Endurance Series is Brigg’s Best and you will never run out of power with the 30 hp. Deck, transmissions and frame are all built to last.
John Deere, Cub Cadet, Hustler and Exmark all make a mower in that price range but I feel the Husqvarna your Dad has picked out is a very good deal.
Derek
Thank you for this article. I am looking at purchasing my first ZT but am having a hard time deciding which one. I do not currently have a large yard (a little less than an acre) but i plan to move in the next couple of years to a larger property. I do have a couple of hills that have me worried. My old Craftsman YT 46″ could do it but it made me nervous.
1. Cub Cadet Z-Force series 54″
2. John Deere Z425 54″
3. Gravely ZT XL 54″
4. Kubota Kommander Z125E-54
5. Hustler Raptor SD 54″
All these mowers have service centers within 10 miles except the Hustler and its about 20 miles. As far as cost i know the Cub, Deere, and Gravely are about the same but i am not sure about the last 2 right now. How much better are these that the standard residential mowers? Is it worth the money to buy this model or the standard residential version? Thank you very much for any info.
Paul Sikkema
@Derek, The Z425 is the least expensive.
-Best Value-The Hustler Raptor SD is probably the best value right now, Excel has decided to go into the residential market big-time. Excel is one of the oldest zero-turn mower companies.
-Next, the Gravely ZT. It’s a high end residential that a lot of smaller commercial operators use. Ariens also paints it orange and calls it the ZOOM XL.
-Best for slopes-The Cub Cadet Z-Force with the steering wheel is the best choice/value for hills. It has steerable front wheels that hold the slopes better than the other 800 lb machines.
-Best-The Kubota is a great machine and many landowners/farmers love their Kubota’s. The 5 inch deep deck gives you a professional cut. They are built like a bulldozer and if you do the maintenance it will be the last mower you ever buy.
Darryl
Man Thanks Paul!
Darryl
Thanks Paul. I did what could be a regrettable thing and ordered it online, so I don’t believe returning will be an option. I can get out of the deal still as it hasn’t shipped. The landscaper I’ve used for the past 4 years uses zero turns and his guys fly up and down it. They’re commercial grade obviously, but they don’t seem to even pause on it.
I may have to rethink this. I know you’re fond of craftsman. Are there any ZTs that are better than others on hills? Where does the Toro land on that spectrum?
Paul Sikkema
@Darryl, I have been too busy to get all the reviews written but I do like the Toro SS series. It’s a solid mower with a great reputation. The cut, durability and dependability of the Toro SS is as good as the other residential zero-turns. I like the SmartSpeed control because it limits the speed of the mower for learning and pulling loads. Run it in low for the first few mowings to get used to the machine.
I have a dealer close to me and he has a lot of them out on lawns. The owners all like them and pick on the “john deere” guys all the time. If the commercial guys are mowing it you probably can to. Just mow it diagonally until you get used to the machine.
Get used to it on the flats, even if you have to leave the hill go for a few weeks. It’s more about getting comfortable and confident using it.
In the residential lines the only machine that “may” work better for you is the
Cub Cadet Riding Lawn Mower. in. 25 HP V-Twin Dual Hydrostatic Zero-Turn with Steering Wheel Control RZT-S 50
. The steering wheel and steered front wheels make it easier to use.Darryl
Hi Paul- Ive just purchased a zero turn Toro SS and now you’ve got me worried? My lawn is a mess with obstacles (Trees, roots, mulch beds and a slope that ranges from probably 10 to 15 degrees) I bought the zero turn because I figured a lawn tractor would take me forever and half my mowing time woud be spent trimming. The hill thing has me concerned. Do I really need to worry about a wheelie over backwards on the hill? I can probably still get out of the deal, but I’m not sure a tractor is going to be any better on that hill. Any thoughts?
Paul Sikkema
@Darryl.
1. Is the hill too steep? The general way to tell it to back up the hill. If the mower will back up the hill it will go up it just fine. If it doesn’t and the tires spin out the hill is too steep.
2. Worried about tipping over? The Toro SS is balanced well so the zero-turn is not the issue. If I am unsure about the hill I mow it at a diagonal. Instead of mowing it up and down I will mow it at about 45 degrees. The takes a lot of the “pucker factor” out of the slope. If you get in trouble it is easy to then steer the mower down the hill. It may require more passes but it’s easier on the nerves.
3. Don’t try and turn on the hill especially going up it. Go all the way to the top and over then turn. Going down the hill get onto a flat area before you turn because zero-turns don’t turn well at all going down a slope.
4. Don’t add weight in the front. That reduces traction in the rear.
5. Don’t add a bagger to the rear. The extra weight of the bagger and grass will change your balance a lot and then it may tip over backwards. Do not add weight to the front to compensate. The commercial operators that add weight to the front do this to keep the front end from bouncing, not to make it go up a hill.
6. Be safe, try it a little at a time. If you get partway up a hill and it loses traction, pull the handles all the way back and motor straight back down the hill. DO NOT TRY AND STOP ON THE HILL.
See if you can try it for 2 or 3 mowings and then return it if you don’t like it. If the dealer has experienced operators (even one of his commercial accounts) see if they will come out and show you how to use it and let them check out your hill. It will take you some time to get used to it and pretty soon you will be able to make the ZTR “dance”
linda
Paul,
London, Ky.
We were looking at buying the cub cadet zero turn mower, trying to decide between the residential or commercial grade. As I had stated earlier we have approximately 8 acres with a fairly large sloped area with a 30-45 degree grade to mow. Some of the terrain is rough. The slopped area will probably only be cut every 2 weeks. We didn’t want to buy a commercial grade if the residential mower will work for us.Your input would be appreciated.
Linda
Paul Sikkema
@Linda, I have to ask three more questions. Have you ever mowed this slope before? With what? Is the slope really 30 to 45 degrees? 30 degrees is almost too steep to walk up and 45 degrees is too steep for any mower other than a dedicated hillside mower to mow. ($45,000)
I have a few commercial operators who mow 30 degrees with 60 inch Exmark Lazer Z’s, Toro Grandstand’s or Ventrac’s but even then some of their operators are too nervous to mow that steep of slope.
Residential zero-turns are only able to mow 10 degrees or less. The transmissions are not durable enough and in most cases they are not heavy enough to turn on the hill.
If you feel you can mow that slope I would consider the Cub Cadet Z-Force LZ or Tank series. These mowers have durable transmissions for slopes and are heavy enough to steer on slopes (most of the time) You may want to consider the steering wheel versions because they will handle slopes better than the lever operated zero-turns.
I also recommend a 60 inch machine for the best stability on hills and the best ride on the other areas.
The Z-Force or Tank will also mow well at 7 to 8 MPH so you could mow your 8 acres with a 60 inch in about 2 hours plus trimming.
Linda
Paul
Thank you for your response, maybe the slope is not 30 degree, I’m not good on that part. We have used a bush hog on it for the past couple of yrs, and since you say that residential are only good for 10 degree or less than maybe we should go with the commercial z force
Linda
Paul Sikkema
@Linda, I would always go with a commercial version if the budget allows. You will get twice the life out of the entire mower and probably 3 times the life out of the transmissions. For a little extra cost you get a lot more.
linda
Thanks Paul we are going to get the cub cadet x force sz series for 5200.00 last year’s model with 2 hours on it but has full warrenty. We just wanted to make sure that it is the right mower
Shane
Waterford mi
Hay Paul got 1 1/2 ac to cut with few obstructions and was looking at some cubs. Was wondering what you thought about rztl54kh. Was thinking this because only 200 more than gt1054 and has a fab deck. Just don’t know if its worth it for maintenance. Looking for a good reliable that I don’t have to sale a kidney for
Paul Sikkema
@Shane, I like that mower. Now, it’s a residential grade mower meaning it has the EZT transmissions that will work well for years on flat land but don’t expect them to last if you mow slopes all the time. You will not be able to pull a leaf vac and expect them to last.
The rest of the mower is fine. It has the new Kohler 7000 motor, a very stiff frame and heavy front end. I don’t have any experience with the deck but the Cub Cadet decks generally cut well.
By the way if you really don’t need the fabricated deck you can get it painted red for $2699 this weekend.
54” 24hp V-Twin Kohler Zero Turn Riding Mower - Non CA
linda
Paul,
My husband is looking to buy a mower that can mow around 8 acres, mostly flat but we do have a fairly large area that has a incline of about 30-45 degree, we just sold our cub cadet tractor with bush hog and want to replace with a zero turn? Your suggestions would be appreciated.
Paul Sikkema
@Linda, I’m going to be out until 8pm tonight. In the meantime would you please read this article fro Mother Earth News. Best Zero-Turn Mowers This will give you a basic knowledge of the mowers I will discuss with you.
Jeff
Paul,
I am in need of replacing my old JD 54″ GT. I have a 1 acre yard, budget is $2500. No big inclines, just an odd configuration (semi-L shaped) with numerous trees. It seems like a ZT is the way to go, and I’m a pretty quick learner on machines (ASE mech) and the like. I can’t seem to come up with a solid choice. The craftsman 20413 stands out to me, but the Kohler “Elite” is either a typo, or a new engine with zero information (at least nothing I can find). Otherwise the ZT mustang series w/ 42″ at lowes is the next option. Can you provide any insight, or additional recommendations? Thanks!
Paul Sikkema
@jeff, before I read all the way through your comment I had the 20413 picked out for you. It should be the best zero-turn for your property.
The Kohler “Elite” is the 2014 Kohler 7000 series with Craftsman labeling and the large Kohler filter. It is a completely redesigned motor and replaces the Kohler Courage line.
Let me know how you like your new ZTR!
Michael
Michael from Floyds Knobs, IN
Hi Paul,
I have two yards, both flat each about 1/2 an acre to mow. Each yard took about an hour to mow with a Troy-Bilt riding mower that lasted 15 years, but blew up last year.
I am looking for a ZTR in the 48″ size. Our local hardware store sells Dixon and has a SpeedZTR 48SE Anniversary Model for $3,700. They service and do all warranty/repair work. I prefer to support a small local shop when able, but this seems a bit more $ than the big-box Troy-Bilt. The Dixon has a welded deck, extra deck wheels, Kawasaki 24HP, wider 6″ front wheels and easy to reach grease fittings.
Do you have any recommendations, or can suggest other ZTRs I should take a look at also?
Finally, I understand the advice on not towing with a ZTR, I’m guessing the same holds true for putting a snow blade on one?
Thanks,
Michael
Paul Sikkema
@Michael, I understand buying local.
The Husqvarna RZ4824F is the same ZTR painted orange and it is priced at $3700 also. It is a heavy duty unit and most of the extra cost over the big box store units is the welded deck. The deck will mow at 6.5 mph where the box store decks only mow well around 5 mph.
If you don’t need the heavy deck see what he wants for a Dixon SpeedZTR 46. (around $2700) It has the same transmissions and a great Briggs Pro engine. It will take you about 20 minutes longer to mow your properties with the stamped deck.
Oh, as far as I know Ariens is the only ZTR that has a blade available.
chris cain
Oklahoma City, OK
@ Chris
If you are still looking at ZTRs in my opinion you cannot beat the deal Hustler has on its Raptor series. It has a welded deck and a Kawasaki engine. The 52 in deck runs 2999 and I believe the 42in deck is 2799. Do yourself a favor and find a Hustler dealer.
https://www.hustlerturf.com/products/raptor.html
Paul Sikkema
@Chris, The Raptor does have a good reputation. The only issue is dealers. If you live in a rural area you can usually find a Hustler dealer within 50 miles but in urban area they can be hard to find. Click on Chris’s link and use the dealer locator to find your nearest dealer
beaudreaux63
Paul, I’ve been through a couple Craftsman tractors and am trying to decide b/w getting a new tractor or ZTR. I live on a 2 acre lot that is relatively flat but have around 40 trees in the front yard (about 1 1/2 acres total space) and a ditch at the road that has a fairly steep (around 30-35 degree) but very short slope (10 feet long on the upside) for about 50 feet of the ditch line across the front of my house. My tractor has a bit of an issue getting up the slope but since it is so short of an incline it hasn’t been a big deal. My back yard has closer quarters, about 1/2 acre but about 20 or so trees. My old 42″ Craftsman tractor has an engine problem but I can keep to do short hauls with my lawn cart if needed. I’m limited to Home Depot for my purchase as I’m using reward points on my Amex to get gift cards. My budget is around $3800. My goal is to limit mowing time as much as possible as I live in Texas and mow from March through November. Presently it takes around 3 hours to mow everything with my tractor. Any advice would be appreciated
Paul Sikkema
@beaudreauz63, I’m always nervous about recommending any mower if you are going to use it out of the owner’s manual specs. All the manufactures don’t want you to mow on slopes over 15 degrees. I’m also nervous about suggesting a zero-turn because most of them may tip backwards on that steep of hill.
That said, all the mowers HD sells will go down the slope just fine. I had quite a few ditches to mow when I owned the lawn service an many times we would use the “circle” method. Mow down and circle back around up to the top on the gentler slope and then mow down again.
If your old Craftsman is having engine issues it may be from mowing that slope so you want an full pressure engine. All the Cub Cadet have the full pressure engine.
I’m thinking you may want get a little larger deck. And 40 tress to mow around you want something agile.
So, take a look at the
Cub Cadet Riding Lawn Mower. in. 23 HP V-Twin Dual Hydrostatic Zero-Turn with Steering Wheel Control RZT-S 46
and theCub Cadet Riding Lawn Mower. in. 22 HP V-Twin Dual Hydrostatic Zero-Turn RZT-L 46
.Chris
SW Virginia
Paul I commend you on your dedication to providing some sense to buying a mower for us common folk. Frustrated with my experiences in the last few years with mowers and trying to make a good decision on my next purchase.
Terrian-3 acres+ ,bumpy,slight-moderate inclines in parts, mostly 4 hours to mow and trim Last year had to mow part of the lawn twice a week
Budget-$3000-3500 or less for new purchase
Experience- I have used 48″ ride Lawn Tractors (JD,Craftsman) the Craftsman lasted the longest. I had a YTH2348 last and for 2 of the 3 years I owned this nothing but trouble with belts. I would put new belts on and it would run okay for awhile but eventually would lose its power and eat up the belt. The service man tried everything he knew to fix the problem but in the end still scratching his head. We changed transmissions twice, new linkage,
In my recent research I have been looking at Zero Turns but not sure it would save me time and labor/repairs. I see in the reviews I read where my mower is not the only riding lawn tractor/mower to have belt problems. Husqvarna seems to have a lot of trouble with belts in the Lawn Tractor/mower. I have seen that most Lawn Tractors/mowers have problems with the belts also.
Questions-
1.48 vs 54 in Zero turn
2.ZT vs Lawn Mower/Tractor
3. Do ZT’s have issues with belts like the Lawn Tractors
4. If I stay with Lawn Tractor what model and size Husqvarna,JD, or Craftsman can I trust the most
5. Which engine should I consider with the size and models I am looking at- Kohler,Kawasaki, Briggs
Right now I am considering for ZT: RZ5424 vs. RZ5426,Troy Bilt Mustang 50(Kohler) JD-Z425 vs Z255,Sears ZT
What I don’t want is having a mower that is underpowered for the deck size. I will continue taking 4 hours mowing with a mower that is able to handle the task
I have been back and forth between ZT or Lawn Tractor. As I said all the reviews for Lawn Tractor problems seem to be belts, belts, belts.
Service is another issue in this area. No one does their own service work locally and most have a less than satisfactory reputation for quality quick service. Altaquip is now with Lowes in this area not sure how they operate.
I am totally open to different ideas
Thank you for all you do for us
Chris
Paul Sikkema
@Chris. I am going to point you in a completely different direction.
The Craftsman 20417 is my suggestion for you. Why?
1. It uses the heavy Duty ZT3100 transmissions. These trannys are a lot heavier than the what’s in the other models you listed. These tranny’s won’t fade (overheat) when mowing slopes.
2. Sears service is the best for on-site. While I haven’t heard anything good or bad about Altaquip, I know Sears has been around for a long time and their techs are trained well.
3. It has a better Kohler Pro motor. This motor has more torques than the Briggs Platinum or the Kohler 7000 and will handle the heavy grass.
4. The frame on this mower is a high-end residential – low end commercial frame. I recommend this chassis a lot to guys just getting into commercial mowing. It very rugged and stiff. The wheels, tires, casters and overall frame is heavier than the other ZTRs you are looking at.
Now:
The mower will go 8 MPH but it will mow best around 5 MPH. The chassis is commercial grade but the deck is a reinforced residential deck. The deck cuts well for a 54 inch, side discharges well with high lift blades and you can even use a bagger without having to buy an auxillary blower. You didn’t say you had issues with beating up decks so I don’t see this as a problem.
The biggest issue is you have to order this mower online and have it delivered to your local Sears. For now it will not be stocked at any Sears location. You do have a 30 return policy if it not what you want.
By the way the Sears.com page has a few mistakes. I have the correct info in my review here: 54 inch Craftsman Model 20417 – Dual 3100 hydro – 24 HP – Normal Sale Price: $4299.99
I’ll be back later tonight if you have more questions.
Chris
Paul,
Thanks for your input. I was all psyched until I saw the price. I think that is a fair price but not in my budget. I need to stay around $3000+/- 500. So I can’t have everything I realize I may need to drop down to a 48″. Hope you can help.
I did a bit of looking at your 2014 Lawn and Garden Tractors tab.
I found the 2014 Craftsman G5500 Model 20403 54 in 22 hp Garden Tractor as a possible option for me. Do you know if this model or Craftsman in general have belt problems??? Interesting that this one is made by Hysqvarna.
Are there any other 54″ Garden Tractors you might recommend. I may even want to move to back into a 48″ Again belt problems are a concern as they are not covered under warranty so I am cautious.
If I were going with a Husqvarna 48-54 what would you recommend in my budget range?
Again
Thanks
Paul Sikkema
@Chris, No the G5500 does not have belt problems. The “real” Craftsman Garden Tractor has always been made by Roper/AYP/Husqvarna. This tractor defined the garden tractor class long before Husqvarna bought AYP and it is the basis for most of the current Husqvarna line.
Even in it’s present form it still is one of the toughest tractors in the $3000 range. The trans is bulletproof and with the Briggs Platinum engine I think it is one of the best values around.
Husqvarna tractors that have more features are YT48XLS, GT54LS, GT52XLS, GT48XLSi and GT54XLSi. These are all dealer machines. Prices range from $2899 to $3499
Chris S.
SWVIRGINIA
Paul
I have to remember that my main goal is to reduce the amount of time I have to mow per week Secondly to get a dependable machine with adequate service agreement. You have been very patient and helpful. Your input on the G5500 was helpful but a GT is not going to save me time like the ZT.
Since I emailed you last a good friend shared that I really should consider a ZT because once I use one I will not go back to the GT’s. We discussed the idea that a ZT with a 48″ deck would mow much faster than a GT 48″ and that it would be good if I could afford a 54″ ZT. He knows my area I have to mow and in his opinion I would have no real incline problems
Paul do ZT’s have belt issues like the GT???
Today I am considering the Zero Turns: Troy Bilt Mustang 50 w/Kohler , RZ46215, RZ5426-Kohler 26hp (Husqvarna is very proud of their 4824F-out of my budget and I think overpriced),Craftsman 20414-54″ B &S Platnium 24hp(Sears is difficult to deal with and are terribly overpriced on their warranty plans)
I am pulled to the RZ5426 Kohler or Troy Bilt, I don’t know much about the Troy Bilt mowers, familiar with their tillers but not sure the mowers have the same reputation as the tillers.
Thanks
Paul Sikkema
@Chris, The 50 inch Troy-bilt is not very popular. MAKE SURE you know where your Troy-Bilt will be serviced before you purchase it. The Craftsman 20415 comes out of the same factory.
The Craftsman 20414 and the RZ5426 are very similar. The Craftsman includes lights and the new keyless ignition for less money.
The Sears protection plan is more money because it covers more than the extended warranties. Belts, tires, battery are all covered. There is never a trip charge. It is the only plan that includes starting and carb problems.
One thing to remember. The zero-turns you are looking at all have the same deck as the tractors you are looking at. Straight line mowing is no faster. Compared to all GT’s except the Craftsman they are faster because you can trim and turn around faster. The GT5500 with the 6 inch turning radius is just about as tight of a turn as a zero-turn.
Have you driven a zero-turn? I can drive one without tearing up the lawn but it does take practice to learn to use.
Finally, instead of the Troy-Bilt, look at the
Cub Cadet Riding Lawn Mower. in. 25 HP Kohler V-Twin Dual Hydrostatic Zero-Turn with Steering Wheel Control RZT-S 50
and theCub Cadet Riding Lawn Mower. in. 25 HP Kohler V-Twin Dual Hydrostatic Zero-Turn with Steering Wheel Control RZT-S 50
. These ZTRs have the same deck but a better service network than the Troy-Bilt.Eddie
Lake Jackson, TX. Okay, which do you feel would be better, the Craftsman 42″ 22hp V-Twin Briggs and Stratton Zero Turn Mower – Non CA. or the Gravely ZT 42, 915148? Also, whats your opinions on the Husqvarna RZ3016, RZ4219 or the RZ4222F? Or even the Exmark brand, would they be good for heavy usage? I see lots of companies using these or Toro.
Paul Sikkema
@Eddie, For a homeowner model the Craftsman wins because of the price over the Gravely. To be frank the Gravely is an Ariens Zoom 42 and Consumer Reports rates that at the bottom of the pile. The Craftsman uses the same frame as the Troy-Bilt XP Mustang 42 and Consumer Reports gave that the best rating last year. The new Craftsman has more metal and the good Briggs Platinum engine.
The Husqvarna RX30 is too small the 42 inch is ok and I can’t figure out why they need so much money for the RX4222f.
Exmark is the mower of choice for contractors. Even one Quest will outlast 2 or 3 of the homeowner series. If you want to buy one mower buy the Laser Z. Toro Commercial and Exmark are basically the same but the Toro is marketed more to schools and municipalities.
Eddie
Im interested in buying a smaller zero turn mower, or maybe a walk behind mower, between 30-42in deck. I have a small lawn business and I mow sometimes up to 15 times a week. What would you recommend for a smaller mower that can be used heavily and not be worn out so quickly? I have a husqvarna hu800awd but now the awd system doesnt work im assuming because of how heavily it was used this last mowing season.
Paul Sikkema
@Eddie, The answer is simple. A Walker S or B series. Walker Mowers Buy one of these and you can easily get 2000 hours or more of run time. I would suggest getting a little more work so you can pay it off in 3 years or so. You may even want to move into the MC series. I’ve seen some of these with over 3000 hours and still going strong. I personally suggest an MC and then purchase an additional side discharge deck.
The big thing I want to tell you is there are no residential mowers out there that will last for what you want to do. Residential mowers are designed for 2-3 hours of mowing a week. You are probably mowing 25 to 30 hours a week. In other words you are mowing more in two weeks than a residential is designed to mow in a year.
If the Walker is more than you can afford right now I suggest buying a
Craftsman 42" 22hp V-Twin Briggs and Stratton Zero Turn Mower - Non CA 11x4x5 Ribbed Casters
. Right away order 2 extra sets of blades, an extra set of belts and an extra spindle. Fill the tires with tire sealant and then go wear it out.But be sure that you set your mowing rates so that you can not only replace the mower every year, but save enough so you can buy that walker in 3 or 4 years.
Matt
Syracuse, NY
– Thank you for the (2) tractors suggestions. I wanted your opinion on a Husqvarna model that my father is pushing for.
1. YTH24K54 Kohler 24HP, Hydrostatic 54inch $2,099.95 (26HP for an extra $200). Medium
2. YT46LS Kawasaki 21.5HP, Hydrostatic 46inch $2,299.96 Large
Out of the (2) tractors you suggested and the above (2) – do you have a preference.
To answer your question. I plan on putting in a garden in the open lot and like the idea of a snowblower as my driveway is over 150 ft.
Paul Sikkema
@Matt, The YTH46LS is one of the few tractors that has a locking differential. Great for slopes and pushing snow. You are paying and extra $300 for the locking diff over the 48 in Craftsman I mentioned in the other comment. Do you need it? This model is a good machine but is not a big seller. So if the dealer is selling you one that has sat around for a year or more you may be able to get a better deal. $2299 is the full retail price.
I recommend YTH24K54 (and the Craftsman 20393 and Husqvarna YTH24V54) to very few people. The combination of the huge deck and small tires only works well if you have a very flat lawn with no ruts, humps, gopher mounds etc. In other words it mows unevenly, gets stuck easily and finally most owners complain they can’t raise the deck up high enough to properly mow blue grass and fescue. I know the manual says 1 to 4 inches but in reality it’s more like 1-3.
Matt A.
Paul,
Syracuse, NY. I wanted to thank you for your article and the time you put in to putting this information on the web. I wanted some advice regarding a property I recently purchased and am a little nervous about the upcoming mowing season. I have lived my whole life in the suburbs and have never owned a piece of property with more than .4 acres, including the house.
I recently bought a house with 1.25 acres and an empty lot next door with 1.37 acres. Both properties are flat / no slope. The 1.25 acres plot has the house and is contained by pine trees with no grass to trim around. The 1.37 acre plot is flat and has no obstacles.
Everyone I have asked for advice suggested the zero-turn mower, but after reading the article, I wondered if I really needed it. My budget is maxed out at $4000.00.
Paul Sikkema
@Matt, It sounds like using a zero-turn would be no problem on your property. So it will boil down to what you want to do with your property.
Do you plan on doing any landscape work yourself? Mow lawn of course, but also add landscape beds move dirt, rocks, cut down trees, haul firewood? A garden tractor may be the best choice.
How long is your driveway? If it over 150 feet long you may want a Yard/Garden Tractor with a snow blower and cab.
It sounds like you only really have about 2 acres that you want to mow. A
Craftsman 22HP 42 Turn Tight Fast Yard Tractor 49 States 1 Acre and Above
with a 42 inch would work well and you can mow your grass in less than 2 hours. It’s around $1699. ACraftsman 22 HP V-Twin 48" Turn Tight Fast Tractor - Non CA 1 Acre and Above
with a 48 inch deck would cut that down to about an hour. It’s around $1999. Both machines will handle a snow blower (with weights and chains) pull loads in a yard cart, pull a lawn sweeper for under the pines and if you wanted to mow around your pines the six inch turning radius on the tractors is just about as good as a zero-turn.A comparable V-Twin John Deere or Cub Cadet would work as well but they don’t have as tight of steering.
So going this way you can get a good yard tractor, good
Craftsman 12.5 cu. ft. Poly Swivel Cart
, goodCraftsman 42 In. High Speed Sweeper 11 x 2-1/2 in.
and even a mounted snow blower for less than $4000.William
Is there anything I can do to improve hill mowing with Ariens Zoom 42″? North Port Fl. Feb. 9,2014
P brown
Zero turn means something does not turn. That’s a push mower! Zero radius turn means it can turn within its own footprint. 2 cents free of charge!
Paul Sikkema
@P, That’s why the short form name is ZTR “Zero Turn Radius” but the industry is not very good at using the correct term all the time. The car industry is just as bad with CVT’s Most are called automatics.
Bryan Adkins
Paul:
My JD is in the shop at a price of $1000 to fix. Was thinking of possibly upgrading to ZT mower. MY JD dealer/service man suggested I consider a Gravely ZT255. Said He thought for price/power for 1.5 acres it was a better deal than comporable JD Zt. Said the Kawasaki motor is a very good one, used in professional models. Your thoughts on this Brand/model??
Thanks, Bryan
Paul Sikkema
@Byran, Your dealer is correct. The only Gravely I don’t recommend is the 34 inch – ZT 34. It’s too small. The ZT 42 and ZT 50 are good mowers and the Kawasaki FR engine is used in many commercial mowers.
I like Gravely and have owned a few. They mainly market to the rural lifestyle homeowner, commercial and corporate owners so their products are built for rugged, regular use.
It is a better deal than the John Deere homeowner zero-turns. Let me know later this year how you like it.
walter brink
fayston vt.What is your opinion on the cub cadet zero turn with steering wheel and is there any other zero turns out there with steering wheels.I am trying to stay in the price range of around 3500.00.mowing approximately 3 acres every 2 weeks for 5 months,some 15* plus slopes several fruit trees and bushes.
Thank you Walt
Paul Sikkema
@Walter, Other than the cost being too high I think it is a good machine. It is the only zero-turn though under $3500 that will do slopes. By the way, none of the manufactures recommend using residential zero turns on slopes more than 12 degrees.
I think Cub Cadet has a patent on that steering system so no one else has anything like it.
Charles Parker
You mention that “original Dixon ZTR was and still is one of the best residential zero-turns and why it’s no longer made” I recently purchased a 97′ 3304 30″ dixon, and am curious as to your thoughts on that machine. It is flawless except that the left side drive is much stronger than the right side. I plan on replacing the cones in it, and have already bought them, along with the guides to align everything on the bench. I wondered if you had any advice to give on tackling this?/ links to a how to/ video?
Roanoke, TX
Paul Sikkema
@Charles, I feel sorry for you. While the original ZTR was one of the best designs ever the Drive system in your 3304 is one of the worst designs……ever. It gave Dixon a very bad reputation and I feel is one of the main reasons they finally sold out to Husqvarna. With the original design you could rebuild the drive right in the mower. With the new design you have to remove the trans from the mower. And removing the trans is a nightmare.
That said, Look closely at your cones and compare them to the new ones. Are they wore? Is one cone wore more than another? They wear at the top/nut end and will get a groove right under the washer there. Any groove less than 1/8 inch deep….don’t replace the cones yet. Get the place where you got the gauges to get you a copy of the alignment procedure and do that first.
Why do I hate the 3304 so much? I also picked up a brand new 2002 model from a dealer in 2005 for $500. He couldn’t sell it and he finally decided to clean out his warehouse. It was still in the crate. I ran it on my 1 acre until 2012. I have a slight slope and I let my wife pull a yard cart with it so by then it needed cones.
Why? Well I am pretty good at rebuilding the old drive. But I spent 5 HOURS removing the drive on my 3304 and still didn’t have it all the way out of the mower. I’m a very patient guy, but I was so frustrated with the trans that I finally ripped it out, scrapped the mower and turned the frame into a yard cart.
Anne
Hi Steve
I currently have a Viking 42″ ride on mower & it’s dead. I need to replace it & am considering something that will do both the house lawn around 1/2 acre (what I’ve been using the Viking for) & a fairly rough going with a number of rocks orchard which has a slope in it (I can get the Viking up the smaller slope, but would not even try it up the steeper slope & besides, the orchard is too large anyway (around 7 acres) for such a small mower.
I am considering a zero turn but definitely want something fairly easy to maintain & get parts for (as I am fairly hopeless myself & invariably overestimate the mower’s capabilities & hit things).
What would you recommend – PS I”m in Australia?
Thanks Anne
Paul Sikkema
@Anne, If you want to mow the whole 7 acres and you want something that will take some real abuse I suggest a high end residential or commercial zero-turn. A 48 to 60 inch welded deck. It should weigh over 800 lbs so it has the traction and stability to mow the hills. And a good commercial engine that will take the hills. The 60 inch deck is overkill for your 1/2 acre but you’ll impress the neighbors by mowing your yard in about 10 minutes 🙂
I went to tradefarmmachinery.com.au to get a feel for what you have over there and I found a few that would do the job.
$6499: 2013 BOB CAT COMMERCIAL FOR SALE. These mowers are strong, dependable units. If you have a dealer close by this would be a great mower. This mower would last you many years. Of the items listed this is a great deal for a strong commercial mower.
Lowest price: 2013 TORO XMARK FOR SALE $3999. This mower does not have the welded deck, but if you raise it and remove the larger rocks it is the minimum I suggest. It is the same machine as the 50 inch Toro Timecutter.
$7990: Used TORO 74417 FOR SALE. This is a $12,000 mower new. If you look at used make sure the hydro transmissions are in good shape. They are the most expensive item to replace.
$8800: TORO Z MASTER COMMERCIAL FOR SALE Another used mower that would mow your entire orchard in a couple of hours. Again, overlook the scratches but have a mechanic you trust inspect it before you buy it.
Anne
Gee thanks Paul
Over here I was considering the 50″ Toro ZS500 or 52″7494CP Toro – my local agricultural dealer sells both (but they do sometimes try to upsell you something you don’t actually need so I’m a bit wary – although if I do buy through them, they do offer good backup). I was also considering the new 54″ Husky RZ5424T – but am a bit wary as the other local agi dealer which sells it appears to be going out of business. I had no idea that Bobcat even did a mower – so I’ll look into them & find out if the local guys can support that.
The other ones over here appear to Kubota (supported by the dealer who appears to be going out of business) & John Deer (not sure it it’s supported).
Paul Sikkema
@Anne, The ZS500 is basically the same as the Exmark I suggested. I don’t recommend the RX5424 for hills but if you can demo it and it works for you…. I do think the 52 inch or 61 inch MZ series Husqvarna may work
Actually the the BOB CAT is not the Bob Cat Skid steer loader company. It is Schiller Grounds Care
https://www.schillergc.com/and even though you may not know the name they have been around for years. The make highly reliable equipment and I would suggest their zero-turns over all the residential models like the RX5424.Kubota doesn’t have a residential mower so all their machines will work. Be careful with the Deere. Make sure you are not getting a residential model. They are too light and won’t have good traction for your hills.
Mark
Interested in purchasing a zero-turn, I am mowing about 8 acres.
live in Texas so I mow about 8 or 9 months of the year. Do you have a suggestion on a Zero-turn best suited for this?
Paul Sikkema
@Mark, Yes I do. 60 inch welded deck. Suspension seat. Heavy duty hydros, Hydro Gear ZT3100 or larger. You can go with a larger, 72 inch deck if your property is flat and you don’t have a lot of landscaping to mow around. For the amount of land you have to mow I suggest not looking at anything under $5000.
I haven’t reviewed the larger machines but Mother Earth News did a great review this summer. Read the article, look at the chart and then watch the video.
Then check what mower dealers are in your area that match the mowers on their list that get a score of 4 or higher. The only 2 companies that I would be a little concerned about are Land Pride and Bush Hog. If your local dealer goes out of business the next dealer may be 100’s of miles away.
Best Zero-Turn MowersZero-Turn Mower ModelsChoosing a Zero-Turn MowerSteve
Thanks Paul.
I haven’t noticed you doing any reviews on Gravely. I spoke with a gentleman who was very complimentary of the brand, specifically a zero turn. The same dealership that carries Ariens also carries Gravely. Any thought you can share? Thanks!
Paul Sikkema
@Steve, Ariens owns Gravely. Ariens primarily markets the Gravely name to commercial owners and sells the equipment only through dealers. I primarily help homeowners here so I don’t do a lot of reviews of the commercial mowers. I will be doing more Ariens reviews next spring. You can’t go wrong with a Gravely on your lawn, but they are more money than the homeowner zero-turns
Eddie Diaz
Hi, i read just about all of the comments on here. I want to buy my first zero turn but i would like it to have around a 30in deck, 42in at the most. What would you reccomend as being the best as a starter mower and not spend a fortune buying it.
Paul Sikkema
@Eddie, Most who buy a zero-turn smaller than 42 inches end up not liking their mower. These mowers all have poor traction and only work on flat lawns with excellent turf. They will not hold on a side-hill or ditch and have traction issues turning in sandy, wet, or bare spots in your lawn.
The
Ariens Riding Lawn Mower. Zoom 34 in. 14.5 HP Briggs and Stratton Zero-Turn 915157
and theCraftsman 42" 24hp V-Twin Zero-Turn Riding Mower Non CA 11 x 4 in.
are the only 2 I suggest at this time.Of course a Walker MS with a 36 inch side discharge deck is always the best choice, but you may feel that mower is in your “costs a fortune” category
$2300 is where zero-turns start.
Be sure your yard can handle a zero-turn
Steve
Thanks for your very thorough insight. I’m building on I’ve acres that will mowing about one acre of thinned out woods that have sage grass, weeds and maybe some small saplings growing between the trees. I have a shallow ditch at the front of the property that will also require cutting. I don’t plan much additional landscaping except for a small section of grass in front of the home. Would you recommend a tractor or ZTR? I’m prepared to pay around $7,000 to $10,000 but don’t want to spend more than necessary. This will be my first riding mower. I don’t anticipate using this for much more than mowing….maybe I’ll put a small utility cart on the back, but I wouldn’t allow that to be a determining factor. Thanks again for the very useful assessment.
Paul Sikkema
@Steve, Because of the ditch I would stay away from all the residential Zero-turns. You won’t be happy with the traction they have. A tractor will be harder to use around the trees. A Zero-turn like the
Ariens Riding Lawn Mower. Max Zoom 48 in. 23 HP Kohler Courage V-Twin ZT3100 Transaxles Zero-Turn 991085
Ariens Riding Lawn Mower. Zoom xL 48 in. 23 HP Kohler Courage V-Twin ZT2800 Transaxles Zero-Turn 915165
Scott
A 30 degree slope at the back of my property (ending in a pond) has me looking at the Husqvarna articulating or the Cub Cadet RZT S series. Do you have experience with this line of Cub Cadet zero turns that advertise 4 wheel steering? It was my thought that the front wheel steering would make this safer for mowing my slope. Thoughts? My lawn is 0.58 acres with very few trees/obstacles (at least for now) so I was looking at a 42″ or 46″ deck.
Paul Sikkema
@Scott, Residential Zero-turns like the Cub Cadet are only designed for slopes 15 degrees and less. The R 322T Husqvarna can go up and down hills well but the sidehill mowing is no better than the zero turns or lawn tractors. Since you can’t mow up and down hill because of the pond you are really stuck with a walk behind mower.
Scott
Paul, thanks for the reply! I should have mentioned that I have 6 feet or so of flat ground at the base of the hill before the pond. So I would have just enough room to turn around, go straight up and down the hill.
I was thinking I could maybe fill the tires (with that beet juice stuff) on the Cub Cadet for extra security against flipping on the slope?
Matt Lawson
Paul –
I am looking at options for a zero turn. I have a small yard (less than 1/2 acre). Needing to cut down on time spent mowing. I have a decent amount of landscaping that will require good maneuverability. I have looked a Dixon, Toro, Deere, and more. About the widest deck I can use is a 42 inch, and that is pushing it. Any suggestions?
Paul Sikkema
@ Matt, presonally I would recommend a Husqvarna R120s Articulated with a combi deck for that small of lawn. I DO NOT recommend the Husqvarna 30 inch zero-turn, the balance is off and it will dig up your yard unless you are very experienced at using a zero-turn. The Ariens 43 inch is an option, The Craftsman 42 inch and the Husqvarna 42 are other options besides the ones you have looked at.
The biggest thing to remember. These small zero-turns don’t work on hills. Any type of hill or slope. If you have slopes look at a Craftsman YT3000, YT4000 with the Turn Tight or a new or used Husqvarna Articulated.
Scott
Hi Paul,
Thanks for the quick reply. Between the two models (and mostly from you experience), from a longevity point of view, what are your thoughts on (especially the engine):
MZ5424s:
Engine: Kawasaki
Deck: Air Induction Stamped (only model with this…, should that be a concern?)
Transmission: ZT 3100
EZ4824:
Engine: Briggs & Straton
Desk: Fabricated (reviews state minor clogging concerns in moist conditions)
Transmission: ZT 2800
The two models are the same price, whereas the M5424s appears to be geared with a few heavier duty components (transmission at least). Is there something I am missing with the EZ4824?
I unfortunately have only mowed with smaller deck tractors no bigger than 42″. From your experience, will a 48″ vs 54″ deck differ in feel and ease of use enough to seek out the 48″ deck? Deck size to increase cutting speed is not a major concern for my size property.
I am mostly leaning towards the MZ5424s due to: Kawaski engine, larger front and rear tires (less grass compaction/potential for front tires digging into ground), ZT 3100 transmission, and reviews stating it performs pretty well on hilly terrain.
Thanks again
Paul Sikkema
@Scott, Engine: The B&S Endurance Series and the Kaw FR series are aimed at the same market. Both engines offer better life over the homeowner motors found in the tractors. Both engines will give you well over 1000 hrs of run time. That’s about 28 years on your lawn.
Transmission: The trans are sized correctly for the mower. The MZ is heavier so it should have the next heavier trans (ZT 3100). Both trans will handle hills, slopes and carrying a bagger. I have used both models on hills and they work about the same. I strongly recommend you check the transmission to frame bolts on all Husqvarna and MTD built machines after the first 5 hours of use. The one negative review I read was because the owner didn’t not check those bolts, they came loose, and the frame cracked. (That is covered by the warranty)
Wheels: The EZ weighs less so it does not need the large wheels on the MZ. Zero-turns will get stuck in wet lawns, muddy potholes, and sandy soils. That’s a negative of a zero-turn. They will save you time, but they don’t work well on poor lawns, hills and wet conditions. It takes practice and a little planning to use them on every lawn.
Deck: A fabricated deck is the strongest but there are a few trade-offs for getting that strength. The fabricated deck on the 48 has angles and corners under the deck so there will be some grass build up when mowing. If you are mowing in wet conditions don’t turn the deck off where you don’t want grass clippings. If you turn your deck off over your drive it will dump grass clumps on the drive. In wet grass that may give you some clumping. Mow later in the day. Mow more often so the grass is not so long, or pick it up after you mow. The positive is you can bang into things more often without damaging the deck.
The deck on the the MZ5424S is the same 54 inch deck you will find on all of the Husqvarna built lawn tractors, garden tractors, and zero-turns. Craftsman, Poulan Pro, and Ariens also use this deck. It has great airflow and cuts well on this mower. It is lighter than the fabricated and you will have to be careful of banging it into trees, curbs, foundations and the bottom of your road ditch. With the discharge down it is 70 inches wide so please go around your yard and measure tight area to make sure you can mow through them.
I am very familiar with the EZ series. They have been around in one form or the other since 2005 and have proven to be great units. I rate them as a high-end residential, low end commercial machine.
I personally like the MZ series. I think it is the “best looking” zero-turn. It looks beefy and strong. But I like the MZ5225 instead of this model because it has the fabricated deck. I know I could get along with the 5424S because I have the experience to not hit the deck on everything, but I don’t know that you won’t.
I rate the MZ5225 as high-end residential, low end commercial, but I rate the MZ5424S a only high-end residential because of the stamped deck.
Last you won’t “feel” much difference between a 42 and a 48. The 48 takes up a little more room but it maneuvers the same. Going to a 54 inch though will take you some time to get used to. They work well in open areas but can be a real pain if you have a lot of landscaping.
Scott
Hi Paul,
I have been researching zero-turns for awhile now and believe I have landed comfortably on the Husqvarna MZ5424S (which you have recommended in previous postings). I will have roughly 3/4 – 1 acre of land of varying grade. The MZ is definitely more than enough tractor for my little swath of land, but after reading your synopsis of residential zero-turn mowers, seems like the most intelligent choice. Any thoughts on this as a purchase? I was hoping for a slightly smaller deck, 48 inch was preferable, but the offerings for that deck size did not match up with other criteria.
Thanks
Paul Sikkema
@Scott, I do like the MZ5424S. It will be a fun, dependable mower for you. In the Husqvarna line you can drop down to the EZ4824 and still have the same dependability (I didn’t write a review on this model) This one is not available on-line. It’s only a dealer item.
Bruce Hermes
Thanks for the reply.
I was looking at the Husqvarna YTH24K48 24HP V-Twin Hydrostatic 48 inch Riding Mower with Kohler Engine. Priced at $1899.
A little more than the crasftman at $1200 or $1450.
Again 1 Acre and flat. Handful of tress.
Comments?
Paul Sikkema
@Bruce, I missed that you were looking at that mower in your first question. 48 inch deck is great for open, flat areas but not great for uneven, rough lawns and bagging. The 42 AND 46 INCH Husqvarna decks cut better and bag better according to Consumer Reports (I agree)
Bruce Hermes
Buying house with 1 Acre and flat. Maybe about 10 tress and a decent amount of smaller landscaping around the house and garage. What would be recommended. I really would like to keep my cost down as much as possible.
Tim
I have a yard just over two acres with a dozen or so fruit trees. What would you recommend in a 60″ (54″ at least) cut under $5,000? Thanks.
Paul Sikkema
@Tim, There are no 60 inch tractors. I always recommend the
Craftsman 54 In. 26hp Kohler Turn Tight Hydrostatic Garden Tractor Non CA 16 x 6.5 x 6 in.
for most lawns in the two acre size. The Turn Tight steering makes mowing around the trees easy and the large tires and heavy-duty trans make a a dependable tractor. It's a good buy around $3000.The other issue is you can't get many 60 inch zero-turns for under $5000. About the only ones I recommend are the
Husqvarna 967 00 39-03 Self-Propelled MZ5424S 54" Kawasaki Zero Turn
at $4299 and the Ariens Riding Lawn Mower. Max Zoom 60 in. 25 HP Kohler Courage Pro V-Twin Zero-Turn 991087
at $4999Maria
I am looking to replace my CZT 50 inch Bad Boy Commercial ZTR. The weight of the machine, plus the sensitivity of the hydros are ruining my yard, I believe. I mow a flat acre, typical Kentucky Blue grass mix. A few trees with 6 ft rings, and lot of curbing. No matter how slow I turn, with both wheels moving I still manage to damage my grass. Shaded areas, sunny areas. Doesn’t seem to matter. My grass always seems damp. Even if I mow at the hottest part of the day, it’s never “dry” enough. I love that is goes fast on the straight aways, but rarely use that kind of speed. I guess what my question is, would moving down to a residential mower with a smaller engine, smaller hydros, and in this case the Toro’s smart speed option, of slowing down the mower speed, without slowing down the blade speed help in the area of turf tearing? It feels like there is more dampening on the Toro to prevent sudden accelerations and stops. I feel like I have tried everything to make my current mower work for me, I think I have a pretty good grasp on the Zero Turn concept, but am extremely frustrated. Any suggestions and what is your opinion on the Toro MX5060 ZTR? Thanks for the informative website.
Paul Sikkema
@Maria, Yes, the MX5060 is about 250 lbs lighter than the Bad Boy. The ZT-2800 drives are know to be very smooth. I like the Toro and for many people the speed control is an easy way to keep the mower under control when you are trimming.
The Toro is a good choice.
Bob
I’m old school with zero turning. I bought my first ZTR in 1980, it was a Dixon 308 with the cup and cone transaxle. The problem with the 30″ single blade was the stamped deck. I had several Sweet Gum trees and on occasion I would hit a tree and bend the deck at the blade bearing block. The only other major problem was that with a bagger it would do a wheelie if you were not careful and had more than half a bag of grass clippings. The early Dixons had several wear points in the transaxle that were not easily replaceable. In 1993 I bought a Dixon 361 ZTR that I still use today. There were many improvements to the transaxle and it was easier to repair and align. I do all of my own work on this mower and have been able to keep it running on the original motor. I live in Fla. with a 9 month mowing season and I mow my yard which has 1 acre of grass and another lot that has .6 acres of grass.
I prefer the cup and cone drive to the hydraulics but unfortunately since Husqvarna bought Dixon the discontinued that type of drive system. Parts will become an issue as supply is used up. I personally feel this was a mistake by Husqvarna. I bought into the 361 since it had two short blades and would mulch and I didn’t need a bagger. I was told that the deck was by Dixie and it would stand up better to roots and hard object encounters and so far that has been true as I’ve never had any bending of the deck. Yes you have to be careful on turns as to not tear up the turf and anti-scalping wheels on the deck would have been a plus. I also agree that ZTRs do not like sand or slopes but if you like the ZTR concept you can adjust to those shortcomings.
Enjoyed your page and videos.
Paul Sikkema
@Bob, I just retired a 30 inch with the z-drive. I’m going to use the frame for a yard cart.
Bruce wright
Paul, Thanks so much for your comments! Such a quick response. Really enjoying your sites. I like the fast track but 5400 here in my area. Limited dealers. John Deere the closest dealer with good. Service. Went to hustler dealer and they had two hustler sports. They said the sport was no longer being made and will be replaced by the raptor. They wanted 3495 for the sport 48. After reading some o f your comments want to look at sears yard tractors before getting zero turn. Thanks again! We appreciate your expertise in this area.
Bruce wright
Enjoyed the info on your site. Very helpful. Have a huskee garden tractor now that runs fine but cannot get deck higher. Want to mow at 4 inches. Have been looking at zero
Hustler fasttrac,jd z425,jd 300 garden tractor,hustler raptor. Never drove a zero turn before. Speed not important to me since only have little less than two-thirds acre. Like the maneuverability of zero turn. Trying to spend less than 5000 though. Just want a nice clean cut and ability to mow at a higher height. The hv articulating looked interesting but only mows up to 3 inches and no bagger attachment. Any comments?
again for your site. B
Paul Sikkema
@Bruce, Of the ones you mentioned, the FastTrac will mow well over 4 inches. Everything else will barely mow at 4 inches. The Raptor mows well but again the FastTrac is the best mowing deck.
Paul Sikkema
@Jeff, the correct answer is none of the residential zero-turns under 42 inches do it well. I just scrapped out a 3030 Dixon that would not hold on any kind of incline-no matter what. The real problem with the Gravely/Ariens is the narrow footprint and weight. The 30 inch husqvarna’s, etc also have the same issues. Many customers though can use a 42, 46 or 48 inch zero-turn without too much of an issue.
Consumer Reports likes the 42 inch Craftsman. I also like the Husqvarna, Deere and Troy-Bilt 42 and 46 inch zero-turns.
Some owners put larger tires on the Gravely/ARIENS and it helps some.